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Michigan offers [greyshirt] DT Brady Pallante. Per Tremendous: very likely on the verge of adding a new commitment
February 17th, 2013 at 10:19 PM
#902
I'm sure you all remember
February 18th, 2013 at 11:05 AM
#903
My cool story bro moment:
I
My cool story bro moment:
I was also a class of '08 (same as Mike Martin). I went to a catholic league school (much smaller than CC), but we wrestled them that season. I was a 215lb kid at the time, but had to wrestle up a division (to 285) that day. My opponent? Mike Martin. It didn't go well for me. But yeah. Cool story bro
February 18th, 2013 at 4:34 PM
#904
cool story bro
Actually is cool, nice to compete in any way against players you recognize from college, or professional.
February 18th, 2013 at 12:11 PM
#905
Any dude who is a state
Any dude who is a state wrestling heavyweight champion is going to be a stud.
The raw material is there, if not the football skills up front.
February 17th, 2013 at 10:20 PM
#906
Excellent
We like wrestling champion DT's at Michigan.
February 17th, 2013 at 10:37 PM
#907
Wrestling champions
Rob Renes was also a wrestling champion.
February 17th, 2013 at 11:06 PM
#908
Going Back Further...
...Reggie McKenzie was a state wrestling champion. Of course Reggie played on the offensive line.
February 17th, 2013 at 10:37 PM
#909
IIRC, Terrence Taylor was a
IIRC, Terrence Taylor was a part of that club as well.
February 17th, 2013 at 10:21 PM
#910
Coach Hoke coached D-line
Coach Hoke coached D-line when we won a national title. The man knows talent.
February 17th, 2013 at 10:21 PM
#911
I believe this is a Jeremy
I believe this is a Jeremy Clark situation. I'm guessing this could be a greyshirt?
February 17th, 2013 at 10:23 PM
#912
Is it? I haven't seen any
Is it? I haven't seen any mentioning of a grey-shirt, and the article specifically says that he was offered. However, I don't know a ton about the situation, and I am not a VIP member at 247, so I can't read the second half of the article.
February 17th, 2013 at 10:27 PM
#913
I'm seeing rumblings on
I'm seeing rumblings on Twitter so take it for what it's worth until confirmed.
February 17th, 2013 at 10:34 PM
#914
You're right, it could be a
You're right, it could be a grey shirt. I wasn't able to find Tremendous's exact tweet, but I found one that was retweeted by a couple people
@TremendousUM: Barron Collier (FL) DT Brady Pallante has been offered a greyshirt scholarship by#Michigan. Story upcoming.
Which makes me think that he tweeted it, then deleted it. I'm not sure whether that's becuase it's innacurate, or if it is for paywalling reasons or what, but I guess we'll have to wait until more info comes out.
February 17th, 2013 at 10:25 PM
#915
I trust our three coaches who
I trust our three coaches who specialize in the defensize line over some random internet guy's opinion. If the coaches want him enough to offer him, then I want him too.
February 17th, 2013 at 10:30 PM
#916
you
suck
February 17th, 2013 at 10:35 PM
#917
It's a fair point of view if
It's a fair point of view if you elaborate. Otherwise, you sound petulant. Let us know why you don't want.
February 17th, 2013 at 10:49 PM
#918
DTs
PA Baller, since you are new here, you probably are not familiar with something called the "Heininger Certainty Principle." To enhance your mgoblog experience, please check out the following: http://mgoblog.com/content/upon-further-review-2012-defense-vs-illinois
February 18th, 2013 at 9:23 AM
#919
they can't all be 5 start
they can't all be 5 star players, not even 'Bama get all 4-5 star players, players like this help with depth at the very least and you never know just how good he will be down the road. You know what I would like to see from The Mathlete, I want to see some stats about which teams turned their 2-3 star players into draftable talent most often, because just like not all 3 stars are created equal, not all coaching staffs are created equal.
February 17th, 2013 at 10:28 PM
#920
Tremendous tweeted that this
Tremendous tweeted that this was a greyshirt situation with a story upcoming. Looks like the tweet has been deleted and the story is up with no mention of a greyshirt (I'm not VIP though) so I would bet it is a normal scholarship.
February 17th, 2013 at 10:29 PM
#921
Highlights
February 17th, 2013 at 10:30 PM
#922
context clues says he camped
context clues says he camped last summer...the coaches have seen him in person so they must love what he has....hope he comes aboard
February 17th, 2013 at 10:36 PM
#923
Suprised at the offer..
Unless the staff feels he is a top second option should they not land McDowell and a few others at dt.... With Mone already committed I would be suprised if they accpet a commitment quickly before Mcdowell even visits....
No doubt though the staff knows defensive talent so we shall see how it unfolds. I don't think McDowell ends up at DE unless it's SDE......
February 17th, 2013 at 11:39 PM
#924
He would count towards 2015
He would count towards 2015
February 17th, 2013 at 10:40 PM
#925
Wrestling champion? How about Gelen Robinson?
We want all Robinsons.
February 17th, 2013 at 10:57 PM
#926
Hear, hear.
I applaud that sentiment: here's the wrap up on Gelen's undefeated season which concluded yesterday. GRII (his dad) drove up from Atlanta to see him finish what he started last year.
(The problem with wrestling is that Gelen's in the 220-lb class; he seems to project as a DE more than an LB but he's LB sized at the moment.)
But back to Brady Pallante! He's from one of the better FB programs here in SWFL--although BC is better known for sending one Heuerman to Ohio and one to ND. Brady's father, Dan, is the HC here. And we like coaches' sons, don't we? Here's the wrap on Brady's wrestling championship.
Bottom line: trust the coaches and the Heininger Certainty Principle.
February 17th, 2013 at 11:11 PM
#927
Eh, he's really not LB sized.
Eh, he's really not LB sized. If he's wrestling at 220, he'll be 240 a month after wrestling season ends.
February 18th, 2013 at 10:14 AM
#928
He'll probably be 240 a day
He'll probably be 240 a day after wrestling season is over. It's insane how much your weight can fluctuate. I'd be as low as 145 and as high as 165 in a matter of days.
February 18th, 2013 at 10:24 AM
#929
Agreed - I'd really like to
Agreed - I'd really like to see us go after Gelen as a WDE.
February 18th, 2013 at 2:16 PM
#930
Eh,
Yes, that's actually exactly the problem. The reason he hasn't been offered yet (and you'd know the minute he was because he'd have accepted) is that he's too much of a tweener--not yet tall/heavy enough for a DL, even WDE, but not really "made" to be an LB either (although Lake Central moves him all over the field). It's probably a large part of why he doesn't yet have any offers, not even MAC, as of last check-in.
Kind of surprised Magnus hasn't already chimed in with the whole size thing. It's kind of like his go-to on Gelen.
Anyway, 2-time DPOY for The Region, and gunning for three, which has not yet been done. (The Illinois winner this year from the NWI Times was Nyles Morgan, interestingly.)
February 18th, 2013 at 5:49 PM
#931
I disagree, I don't think
I disagree, I don't think he's a tweeter. I think he's big enough for WDE and could be a SDE if he was taller (which he'll likely get if his genes are any indicator). He's already bigger than Ojemudia ever was in high school, and some scouts have even said he could be a DT in college.
I love to offer him. He's a good football player and a great overall athlete, and those guys find ways to contribute. He'll finish as a three time all-state wrestler, three time state finalist shot and discus thrower, in addition to his football accolades. He's listed at 6'2" but I bet he adds an inch or two to that and is plenty tall for the DL. I know we're in on some top DL, but he'd be a great pick up. I don't want us to regret not offering him like Purdue regrets not offering his brother.
By the way, he has an offer from Illinois already.
February 18th, 2013 at 8:56 PM
#932
Agreed, but his current size is pretty well suited to LB
If we're talking 6-2 and 220 to 240, he's the size of Ryan or Demens. I'm not familiar enough with his game to know if he has the speed and lateral movement to play LB at Michigan, but he has the size. The issue I see is if be packs on too much more weight and does not grow and lacks or loses his quickness. I'm thinking he's enough of an athlete to give it a go though and won't balloon without stretching some too.
February 18th, 2013 at 9:23 PM
#933
I disagree. He is a tweeter,
I disagree. He is a tweeter, and here is a link to his account.
In all (or more) seriousness, I'd love to offer him too. Funny you should point that out about Illinois; I had a momentary fear earlier that he'd end up there and we'd regret it. Then I thought, "nah. he'd go to Purdue first." Not because of his dad, but because of proximity as well as former LC teammate David Yancey there too.
He played last fall listed at 6'2", 232. That's Ojemudia-size, so WDE is not out of the question, but it's also "smaller than Demens-size", he of course being 5-6 years older.
I worry that if they really wanted him they'd have offered him already.
February 18th, 2013 at 11:52 PM
#934
Ojemudia was 223 on the fall
Ojemudia was 223 on the fall roster as a frosh, Frank Clark was 228 and Brennan Beyer was 223 as well. They are all 6'2" to 6'3". Gelen is 6'2" 232 as a junior in high school, so if he's a tweener than all of our WDEs are. WDE prospects are often LB sized in high school, even the ones who don't spend all winter keeping their weight down for wrestling.
If Gelen is a tweener, he's a WDE/SDE tweener, in fact 247 lists him as the latter. The only gripe I have with him is his height, and if he can add an inch or two he'd be great.
February 17th, 2013 at 11:12 PM
#935
Very encouraging. Florida
Very encouraging. Florida generally equals good potential for athleticism. Wrestling champion plus coach's son equals great technique and work ethic.
February 17th, 2013 at 10:41 PM
#936
My analysis:
Get thee to the training table, son.
February 17th, 2013 at 10:50 PM
#937
If this is a normal
If this is a normal scholarship offer, it's extremely puzzling given the small class size and interest from other big prospects. Something doesn't add up here.
February 17th, 2013 at 10:45 PM
#938
Gray shirt?
Can someone explain how the Greyshirt situation works? How can they offer someone a Greyshirt?
February 17th, 2013 at 10:56 PM
#939
A greyshirt means he won't
A greyshirt means he won't enroll until January 2015 (on scholarship). He is not allowed to be with the team or be enrolled in school for first semester, he enrolls 2nd semester. By doing this he saves a year of eligibility and he would be a true freshman in fall 2015.
February 17th, 2013 at 11:13 PM
#940
I believe a grey shirt can
I believe a grey shirt can enroll, but he'd have to pay his own way, and he cannot participate with the team.
February 17th, 2013 at 11:29 PM
#941
Correct
Correct
February 18th, 2013 at 10:38 AM
#942
Not 100% Correct
You are allowed 5 CALENDAR years to complete 4 athletic seasons, and the calendar year begins once one is enrolled.
So by enrolling in Jan. of 2015 he counts like a '15 recruit and can play through the 2019 season (assuming he sits one season out). However, if he enrolls in the Fall of 2014, then his eleigibility clock starts from that calendar year (even if he is not on scholarship and does not practice with the team) so would end after the 2018 season.
February 17th, 2013 at 11:32 PM
#943
Right, and I don't believe he
Right, and I don't believe he can be full time. If you are a full time student, your clock starts. He can enroll though.
February 18th, 2013 at 10:27 AM
#944
Technically
I grey shirted all five years at Michigan.
February 18th, 2013 at 11:41 AM
#945
What is the definition of "participate?"
What is the definition of "participate?" I'm wondering if using strength and conditioning facilities is considered participation? Is he allowed to start to learn a playbook? I could see not suiting up, and not attending practices, in the Fall of 2014, but he still would be helped a lot if he can work on strength, stamina, weight, diet, and familiarity with schemes, etc.
February 17th, 2013 at 11:07 PM
#946
Camped
He did camp at Michigan last summer and apparently did pretty well. Will be interesting to see how this plays out. The stories on his wrestling championship say that he's at 288 lbs, so he's got some good size for a 2014 guy.
Also, Tom VH has confirmed that its a gray shirt offer. Story is up on Wolverine Nation.
February 17th, 2013 at 10:53 PM
#947
Either way he'll have a blue
Either way he'll have a blue shirt from Ferns.
February 17th, 2013 at 11:33 PM
#948
So he'll be a greyshirt with
So he'll be a greyshirt with a blue shirt who will likely redshirt.
OK, I think I got it.
February 18th, 2013 at 10:40 AM
#949
You win
the internet today, good sir.
February 17th, 2013 at 10:59 PM
#950
Guys we take this early in
Guys we take this early in the cycle tend to be the program's first choice. Yay I say; hope we get him.
February 18th, 2013 at 12:59 AM
#951
No disrespect to Brady Pallante
Guys Michigan views as a first choice are typically offered a full scholarship without a greyshirt condition. Hopefully Michigan gets him regardless
February 18th, 2013 at 2:19 PM
#952
um...
...does the name Jeremy Clark ring a bell?
February 17th, 2013 at 11:08 PM
#953
Because he doesn't have a
Because he doesn't have a Rivals page?
February 17th, 2013 at 11:08 PM
#954
Why do you say that? Conley
Why do you say that? Conley was the same way a year ago, and he ended up being a big time recruit. It's early, way too early for a guy like you to say he won't contribute.
February 17th, 2013 at 11:35 PM
#955
Same way as Conley? So Urban
Same way as Conley? So Urban will be offering soon?
February 18th, 2013 at 1:51 AM
#956
Conley was not the same way
He was rated in the top 20 in Ohio early on and was a legit three star before rising up the rankings. Brady may be a good player but he does not have near the early ranking as Conley did
February 18th, 2013 at 9:40 AM
#957
So
I AM trying to come off as a jerk, but do you think the coaches aren't trying to bring in the players they think can help them win? Do you think Hoke and Mattison are sitting around saying, "you know, we could probably get someone better, but recruiting is hard and is cutting into my Downton Abbey time, so f*ck it. Lets just grab someone."
February 18th, 2013 at 11:03 AM
#958
Yeah I could see this
Yeah I could see this conversation going down.
Fred Jackson: "Downton Abbey, it's like Sherlock, but more British"
February 18th, 2013 at 11:11 AM
#959
Jerk isn't the right word, blowhard maybe.
You're coming off as someone who thinks they know a lot, when it appears you know very little about the subject at hand. I'm not advocating trusting the coaches no matter what, but you seem to very sure in your own assessment of a potential DL recruit who you know practically nothing about. So much so, that you can use it to make broad statements about the future of the program. I think we can all acknowledge the possibility you may be correct about this players' future. After all, the percentage of recruits who wash out is not insignificant, regardless of their recruiting profile. But by all means, come back in five years and remind us how much better you are at judging the potential of recruits than our staff. Expect some extra credit for the handicap of never seeing the players in person or working with them in a camp.
February 18th, 2013 at 11:58 AM
#960
Some people don't have to try to be a jerk . . .
Some people don't have to try to be a jerk . . . it just comes naturally.
As regards which players the coaches bring in, there is a lot of parity. I do believe that sometimes, coaches will see intangibles that others miss, and that it may be worth taking a shot with some high risk recruits. (not in terms of risky behavior, but risky in terms of whether or not they pan out.)
Let me share a few examples of "risky" recruits:
- While it isn't a perfect analogy, I would commend to you the ESPN special on Tom Brady. With the benefit of hindsight, many teams wish they had drafted Brady. His measurables were terrible, but he just wins.
- Look also at the recruiting discussions on Mike Hart before he came to Michigan. The word on the boards when he was a high school senior were that he would never amount to much, maybe a third down RB change of pace kind of guy.
- Although a flawed example, consider Denard Robinson. Who, besides Michigan, offered him as a Quarterback? While he'll never play QB in the NFL, he was great for Michigan. He was someone that all the big programs just ignored in that position.
As regards Urban Meyer vs. Brady Hoke, I think it is too soon to render the judgement you've given. It will be interesting to see how Michigan performs against Ohio in 2014 & 2015. I believe that our offensive and defensive line recruiting is going to bear more fruit than you expect. I also believe that Borges will be able to do more with Gardner and then Morris, especially as we add stronger receivers. I also believe you have underestimated the coaching ability of Greg Mattison and those under him. He has done tremendous things already with meh recruits. As the quality of recruits improves, our defense is only going to get stronger. And I believe Michigan football will be very competitive with Ohio, both in recruiting and on the field.
February 18th, 2013 at 12:13 PM
#961
Well, at least you lutes
Well, at least you outed yourself as a RCMB troll. We don't "bump" threads around here. You can't bring this thread back unless you make a new one and mention it. Also, get the fuck off my board
February 17th, 2013 at 11:11 PM
#962
I disagree with your analysis...
but you sure can put together one hell of a sentence.
February 18th, 2013 at 12:04 AM
#963
That sentence is still going,
That sentence is still going, in fact. I can't wait to see how it ends.
February 17th, 2013 at 11:43 PM
#964
You should explain
your insight into why we would be wasting a scholarship on this recruit. Those are pretty strong words, so I would hope you have something to back them up.
February 18th, 2013 at 12:14 AM
#965
Seriously. Are the mlive
Seriously. Are the mlive message boards down right now? There has been a whole lotta trollin' going on recently.
February 17th, 2013 at 11:02 PM
#966
This link does a good job of explaining what a grey-shirt is
I hate to link to bleacherreport, but for a change there is something a value.
February 17th, 2013 at 11:07 PM
#967
I
I kinda hope you forget your password.
February 17th, 2013 at 11:09 PM
#970
So this is pretty much like a
So this is pretty much like a 2015 commit?
February 17th, 2013 at 11:17 PM
#971
Assuming he greyshirts I
Assuming he greyshirts I believe that is correct.
February 17th, 2013 at 11:13 PM
#972
Given his video, this is
puzzling at such an early stage in the process.
Congrats to Brady if valid.
February 17th, 2013 at 11:17 PM
#973
This is good news. Always
This is good news. Always like to see kids who can compete in other sports get a shot if they can make the cut. Not sure how the process will play out, but state champs in wrestling seem to be a good thing at UM.
February 17th, 2013 at 11:20 PM
#974
so were is all the shit
so were is all the shit talking about the sec grey shirting a player?
February 17th, 2013 at 11:23 PM
#975
SEC schools tell recruits
SEC schools tell recruits they have a scholarship offer, then greyshirt them once they get on campus. Greyshirting is completely valid so long as the recruit knows that he's being greyshirted.
February 17th, 2013 at 11:36 PM
#976
How do you know who was told
How do you know who was told what? speculatins? What difference does it make anyways? No coach would greyshirt a player who could contribute right away.
February 17th, 2013 at 11:40 PM
#977
Smh. I'll let someone from
Smh. I'll let someone from last year's Jeremy Clark post explain. Have a good day at school tomorrow!
"The best way to understand this is to realize that while he is a 2012 prospect, they are offering him a 2013 scholarship. That means he has a choice. He can wait to enroll until 2013 (January 2013 as an early enrollee for that class) and receive his scholarship without having to pay for anything out of pocket or he can enroll in the Fall of 2012 and pay his own way for the first semester (unless a scholarship opens in the fall).
Keep in mind he has 5 years to play 4 seasons, from the time he becomes a full-time student. So if he doesn't enroll in the fall, or he enrolls with less than 12 credit hours, then the eligibility clock won't start until 2013. "
February 17th, 2013 at 11:51 PM
#978
When did i ask for a
When did i ask for a definition of a greyshirt? i asked 2 other questions
February 18th, 2013 at 12:24 AM
#979
And outstanding questions
And outstanding questions they were. I count four, in fact.
1) so were is all the shit talking about the sec grey shirting a player?
I think this one was answered.
2) How do you know who was told what?
It is very clear from Tom VH's piece that Pallante knows the deal. He's excited about it.
3) speculatins?
SPECULATINS
4) What difference does it make anyways?
It makes a difference. If I tell you that you have a scholarship offer but I need you to start in 2015 - and you like that idea - what's wrong with that? If I tell you that you have a scholarship offer for 2014 - and then after you commit I find someone better and come back and say, "Actually, never mind..." - that's a completely different situation.
If you believe that there's something ethically wrong about this kind of gray shirt, then you'd probably have to say that it'd be better for the kid for Michigan not to offer him at all than to offer him a (de facto) place in the 2015 class. I can't imagine that Pallante would agree with that.
February 18th, 2013 at 1:31 AM
#980
Your response to #3 is
Your response to #3 is definitely better than anything I thought up. Succinct and to the point. Well played Sir.
February 17th, 2013 at 11:48 PM
#981
Grayshirting
Here is an article describing some shady grayshirting practices by Nick Saban: http://www.foxsportssouth.com/pages/landing?blockID=663062
The players involved were promised spots in Alabama's 2012 recruiting class and had been committed for months, but just before signing day their offers were downgraded to grayshirts. This is completely different than telling a recruit up-front that he is being offered a grayshirt.
February 17th, 2013 at 11:58 PM
#982
So just so i understand this
So just so i understand this correctly, they were told before nsd? Why did they go to Alabama then? If they didnt sign anything yet they could of easily choose another school on nsd
February 18th, 2013 at 12:02 AM
#983
Some of them did. What's
Some of them did. What's your point?
February 18th, 2013 at 12:31 AM
#984
Sure they could have.
But with whom? They had most likely established relationships with other players in their class and the coaches, like we hear about our recruits doing. Then on short notice, they need to start over, see who has room and interest. They are forced into making a rushed decision, with a lot less information and perhaps fewer choices than they would have had before. Are you seriously equating that to offering him a greyshirt a year in advance?
February 18th, 2013 at 12:59 AM
#985
Let me try explaining this
Let me try explaining this with an analogy, because I find them very helpful.
Let's say you're a senior in college, it's a handful of months before graduation and you're interviewing for jobs.
Scenario A: I offer you a job for 40k per year. This is the best offer you have, so you accept it.
Scenario B: I offer you a job for 150k per year. You have a number of other offers, but you decide that this is the best one for you, and you accept it. You tell all of the other employers that you have chosen to work for me. A week before you're scheduled to start, I tell you that we found someone for your position that we liked better, but not to worry, we have another spot available where you'll be making 40k per year. It's possible that you could call up the other employers who offered you, but it's likely they've moved on to other candidates at this point, and you're forced to either take the 40k per year job, or jump on whatever else is left that is likely worse than the options you had a handful of months ago.
Scenario A is what we've done and are doing (it seems) with Pallante. Scenario B is what the SEC has done, and this is what irks many of us. You may think both are right or both are wrong, but either way, they're not the same.
February 18th, 2013 at 9:30 AM
#986
wow, this was a perfect
wow, this was a perfect example
February 18th, 2013 at 12:33 PM
#987
It's really just the old
It's really just the old "Bait and Switch".
If I know that you are not going to offer me the luxury sedan in my price range up front, I can make my decision accordingly on my own timeframe. Nobody gets screwed.
But if you tell me that you are going to offer it, and then I sell my old car, get an approved loan, and take a day off work to drive out and pick it up, and then you say "just kidding", you've just knowingly screwed me.
To do this to a kid is immoral. Or rather, it is just being the SEC.
February 17th, 2013 at 11:52 PM
#988
What difference does it make?
You have got to be kidding. Read up on the kid Saban offered to find a job at Home Depot.
February 18th, 2013 at 1:30 AM
#989
a grey shirt cannot enroll, workout or practice till the 2nd
A greyshirt cannot be on campus, workout or practice with the team in the summer or fall...they are not allowed to enroll till the 2nd or winter semester/quarter.....they can't participate in bowl practices either.....so no sec teams cannot do that once they have a kid on campus.
February 17th, 2013 at 11:24 PM
#990
Their
Grayshirts are issued to juniors who have played, not high school kids.
February 17th, 2013 at 11:38 PM
#991
Show me proof of this, not a
Show me proof of this, not a juco either
February 17th, 2013 at 11:41 PM
#992
Use Google or the search
Use Google or the search engine on this site if you're that enamored by the concept.
February 17th, 2013 at 11:54 PM
#993
Why would i google his claim?
Why would i google his claim?
February 17th, 2013 at 11:56 PM
#994
Google
Maybe you could Google "anger management classes."
February 18th, 2013 at 12:01 AM
#995
I am a grown man having a
I am a grown man having a discussion whos angry?
February 17th, 2013 at 11:57 PM
#998
What are you talking about?
What are you talking about? Prove to me Michael Ferns was offered a full scholarship. Prove to me his Twitter account is not an elaborate hoax. That's basically what you're asking right now.
February 17th, 2013 at 11:25 PM
#999
No one hates on the SEC for
No one hates on the SEC for this as long as the player knows it when he commits. It's when guys are forced into it that it's shady.
February 17th, 2013 at 11:28 PM
#1000
Did you see the sizes of classes
that the majority of the SEC took. 30 player at 2 schools, 32 for another...come on.
February 17th, 2013 at 11:45 PM
#1001
The limits 25, Michigan took
The limits 25, Michigan took 27 word around here was 28 was the target. Those 2 schools you are referring to back dated scholarships so did Michigan, that is not breaking the rules. Maybe the BIG should allow schools to back date more then 3 scholarships just maybe it will become more competitive
February 18th, 2013 at 1:45 AM
#1002
Big Ten recruiting
I don't think middling Big Ten schools have been turning away 4-star recruits due to inadequate scholarship allotments, so increasing the per-year limit probably wouldn't make a difference.
February 18th, 2013 at 8:33 AM
#1003
I didn't realize that it was a B1G rule...
...to only back-date up to 3 schollies per year. I thought it was an NCAA rule. Believing that, I thought it particularly odd that several SEC schools had 5 to 7 over 25.
February 18th, 2013 at 12:06 AM
#1004
How about you provide us with
How about you provide us with one example of someone here actually doing that in a comparable situation?
February 17th, 2013 at 11:34 PM
#1005
if there's one thing hoke and
if there's one thing hoke and mattison know, its the d-line. hoke personally oversaw a d-line that won a national title. he knows what he's looking for. state champion wrestler shows he must have great strength, and a coach's son means he should have great technique and fundamentals. plenty of guys fly under the radar that turn out to be studs. not saying he'll be a stud, but he could. bottom line is that if he's good enough for hoke, he's good enough for us fans.
February 18th, 2013 at 12:39 PM
#1006
Yes, it's worth pointing out
Yes, it's worth pointing out that he is not being offered as a walk-on where he may never get a scholarship.
He is being offered a firm 2015 scholarship. He will count toward the 2015 scholarship limit. The coaches clearly want him, but they have other 2014 priorities they have to address with limited scholarships for 2014.
February 18th, 2013 at 12:01 AM
#1007
This thread shows us that
This thread shows us that while 85% of M fans are pretty knowledgeable, those other 15% are idiots.
February 18th, 2013 at 12:32 AM
#1008
I was about to say something
I was about to say something similar. I'm not sure that I've ever seen an MGoBlog thread so clearly distinguish the good posters on here (in my view) from the other ones.
Also, there seems to be a pretty strong positive correlation between grammatical skills and non-craziness/assholeness around here.
February 18th, 2013 at 12:45 AM
#1009
hmmmmmm.
Been a lot of MLive in these parts of late...
February 18th, 2013 at 12:55 AM
#1010
Mr. Cook
Plz bring back Negbangs.
February 18th, 2013 at 12:04 PM
#1011
It's the 15% rule
I don't care where you are on the planet, a solid 15% of people everywhere are assholes. It's unfortunate that it also applies to UM fans, but the evidence is irrefutable.
February 18th, 2013 at 12:41 PM
#1012
When I'm in Columbus, it
When I'm in Columbus, it seems to become the 80% rule.
February 18th, 2013 at 12:41 PM
#1013
When I'm in Columbus, it
When I'm in Columbus, it seems to become the 80% rule.
February 18th, 2013 at 2:30 PM
#1014
so true, he had to post it
so true, he had to post it twice.
February 18th, 2013 at 12:05 AM
#1015
Edit: I suck at the internet.
Edit: I suck at the internet. Nevermind.
February 18th, 2013 at 12:16 AM
#1016
Not sure if a reliable
Not sure if a reliable source, but Joshua Henschke of the Big House Report has a post up—Quick Hits with Brady Pallante—based on an interview with Pallante. It indicates a commitment isn't imminent.
February 18th, 2013 at 12:41 AM
#1017
Thanks for posting
Thanks for posting this.
Honestly, if I were advising the kid I would strongly encourage him to commit. It would secure a place at a great school, get him a ton of exposure for possible full scholarship offers, and put him in a place where no one would fault him if he decided to go elsewhere for a traditional scholarship (especially since there's so much time until Signing Day 2015).
February 18th, 2013 at 9:36 AM
#1018
forgive me if I'm wrong, but
forgive me if I'm wrong, but assuming a greyshirt, couldn't he commit on signing day and still be assured a spot since it's for the 2015 class? If i were him I would wait until then to see if I got a 2014 full ride from somebody or a school that I liked better offered me a greyshirt (yes, impossible to like any school more than U of M)
February 18th, 2013 at 1:37 PM
#1019
I don't think so.
If he wants to wait, then he is running the risk of the coaches offering that spot to someone else. Although his signing day is further off, that doesn't mean the coaches are going to wait almost a year to decide whether to recruit somebody else for that spot. They are bringing 2015 kids in for visits and have sent out a handful of offers already.
February 18th, 2013 at 12:27 AM
#1020
Sign me up as a fan of this kid
I don't think he is going to be a 5 star recruit, because his ceiling is somewhat limited by his athletic ability, but he has a very high floor. The kid consistently maintains low leverage, shoots off the ball pretty well, has a strong base, and uses his hands well. He has the technique already that is often the most difficult to teach many of the guys in the trenches. Now he isn't going to be chasing down WRs sideline to sideline, but if he has always dreamed of playing for Michigan, he camped at Michigan, and decides to commit, I would be happy with the pick up. Would be solid as a penetrating 3-tech or be able to hold his own at the nose. He won't be a star of a class, but would be a great foundation to build around because you would know what you have in him.
February 18th, 2013 at 12:08 PM
#1021
People also need to keep in mind that it's important
to have guys who are willing to be primarily practice players content to bust their asses during the week without many opportunities to see the field on Saturdays.
February 18th, 2013 at 3:46 PM
#1022
You don't recruit that way though.
You don't say, "well, we need some hard working won't complain practice guys in this class." You hope they fill out that way, but ideally it's young guys waiting for their chance. You may take guys who are specialists...long snappers, return guys, etc. Guys you know won't be NFL left tackles or 2000 yard rushers, but can help your team. But not guys just to fill out a roster and add spirit.
If they offered a spot to this kid, I believe they think he can play.
February 18th, 2013 at 12:14 PM
#1023
Agreed
I agree that someone who does things the right way every time is a player worth having. One thing people seem to consistently forget is that Mattison likes to shuttle guys in and out both on the line and in the LB corps, to keep them fresh. If Pallante can come in on 2nd or 3rd down for a play to give the starting DT the chance to catch his breath, that seems a worthwhile goal, and a reasonable scholarship to offer.
February 18th, 2013 at 12:59 PM
#1024
^^^This.Unless you are
^^^This.
Unless you are Alabama or oversign like carzy (redundant, I know), you are not going to get all 4*/5*'s for the number of guys that Mattison wants to play on D.
You need some "active bench" players. These are not just guys that come in when somebody gets hurt, they are regular players that are part of the normal rotation but not necessary the first-choice guys you put in on money downs when the game is on the line.
They are your third or fourth line in Hockey. You need those kind of guys in Mattison's system.
February 18th, 2013 at 12:35 AM
#1025
keep the stars
All I care about is toughness and physicalness.
February 18th, 2013 at 12:52 AM
#1026
Sounds like Hoke if you just
Sounds like Hoke if you just add the part about "hearing football."
"I can hear football being played when Brady Pallante puts on the pads."
February 18th, 2013 at 1:02 AM
#1027
Or
physicality. To use the new word on the block.
February 18th, 2013 at 2:26 AM
#1028
Or
MANBALLNESS. To use the newer word on the block.
February 18th, 2013 at 12:54 AM
#1029
I always say it!
The coaches could recruit all unranked guys, but they would still know what they are doing and it'd still be a great team.
Some on this thread clearly only care about stars and rankings.
February 18th, 2013 at 6:54 AM
#1030
I love Hoke as much as the
I love Hoke as much as the next guy but what has he done in two years to make you think he can develop zero stars into talent?
February 18th, 2013 at 9:23 AM
#1031
Well he did develop guys with
Well he did develop guys with zero star coaching into talent.
February 18th, 2013 at 11:51 AM
#1032
Hoke
I highly doubt Pallatine is going to wind up as a zero star recruit. There are lots of players who Scout and Rivals don't get around to rating until pretty late in the cycle.
That said, Hoke's defensive staff has gotten production out of walk-ons (Heininger, Brink, arguably Kovacs depending on how you define him and how much credit you give to Rich Rod's staff), a guy recruited to play offensive line (QWash), and several players who came in with underwhelming recruiting profiles (Desmond Morgan, Raymon Taylor, Keith Heitzman).
February 18th, 2013 at 1:53 PM
#1033
LOL
LOL at the idea that Hoke has only been coaching for two years.
February 18th, 2013 at 1:42 AM
#1034
Seems strange to offer a grey shirt this early in the process
But maybe Brady just likes Bradys.
February 18th, 2013 at 8:47 AM
#1035
It's probably a similar
It's probably a similar situation to the safety in the 2012 class. If they miss on a lot of other d line guys or have extra space it may become a normal offer
February 18th, 2013 at 8:56 PM
#1036
.
We can has all of the Brady's
February 18th, 2013 at 2:53 AM
#1037
WOOOO
WOOOO GREYSHIRT
February 18th, 2013 at 12:26 PM
#1038
lol "offtopic"
Yes, in a thread about greyshirting, a "WOO GREYSHIRT" comment is off-topic.
I guess there aren't a lot of fans of Beyonce on this board.
February 18th, 2013 at 10:40 AM
#1039
Can someone please call the wambulance?
February 18th, 2013 at 11:57 AM
#1040
Go
Away
(yep, seems to work just fine).
February 18th, 2013 at 3:43 PM
#1041
So stupid
It had to be said twice.
February 18th, 2013 at 9:02 PM
#1042
you
suck
(testing response potential of new MGoBlog app)
February 18th, 2013 at 9:44 AM
#1043
people need to quit being
people need to quit being jackasses. Do the people complaining about this realize that 'Bama took a pro style qb last class rated at an 81? or that they took an ILB rated at an 84? LSU took a DT rated at an 86 and an OT at an 84. UF had a non special teams player rated in the 70s. Point is, no team is going to get all 4-5 stars, deal with it
February 18th, 2013 at 11:14 AM
#1044
According to Scout, In 2010 Alabama
signed 2-star DT Brandon Ivory, and unranked DT Anthony Orr. Too bad Nick wasted those scholarships; otherwise he might have won a national championship.
February 18th, 2013 at 2:20 PM
#1045
Anthony Orr was a top 30 DE
Anthony Orr was a top 30 DE with 3 stars on both Scout and Rivals with offers from half a dozen SEC schools.
But your point still stands, especially considering he grey-shirted. And Ivory is a great example of under the radar talent... 2 stars, unranked at his position, no BCS offers other than Alabama.
February 18th, 2013 at 3:47 PM
#1046
Was this
An EA NCAA reference?
February 18th, 2013 at 10:58 AM
#1047
I don't know much about
I don't know much about evaluating players. Would someone who does post on what he does well/poorly based on highlights? They look pretty good to me at first glance
February 18th, 2013 at 11:57 AM
#1048
Pallante
Space Cowboy did a nice job of that above.
February 18th, 2013 at 12:11 PM
#1049
Ah I see it, thx
Ah I see it, thx
February 18th, 2013 at 12:56 PM
#1050
This is a curious, shrewd and
This is a curious, shrewd and somewhat tantalizing bit of news. Curious in that a 2014 guy would agree to a "greyshirt" so early in the recruiting cycle. A shrewd move by Hoke & Co. if they are taking a guy who's a M lock and deferring the scholarship since he'd redshirt anyway. Tantalizing is the confidence the staff must have in some of the high-profile targets signing on that they would take this course of action.
February 18th, 2013 at 2:10 PM
#1051
Recruiting strategy
This is a good point.
As of now, M only has 16 spots for the 2014 class. With normal attrition, we are still looking at a class no larger than 20. Perhaps if M had another half-dozen scholarships to give out, Pallante would have gotten a normal offer. But with only 16-19 spots, the staff is presumably saving them for higher-priority recruits.
We might be able to just wait until 2015 and sign another player of comparable ability to Pallante. But if we did that, then the player redshirts the '15 season and isn't available until 2016. By taking Pallante as a grayshirt in 2014, maybe we have him available and ready to contribute a year earlier.
Personally, though, I think M's history of turning wrestlers into effective defensive linemen suggests Pallante is going to be a good player.
February 18th, 2013 at 1:01 PM
#1052
Great job coaches
As has been stated many times in this thread, our coaches definitely know that they are doing in evaluating defensive line talent. They also know what they want in regard to toughness and character. In reading the articles about Pallante, it's clear to me that he has those traits.
"Barron Collier's Brady Pallante didn't so much as win the Class 2A state heavyweight wrestling title on Saturday night as he earned it.
Two weeks ago after he lost in overtime in the 2A-District 12 finals to his archrival, Fort Myers' Fequierson Charles, a crestfallen Pallante talked about leaving nothing in the practice room if he hoped to beat Charles the following week at the regional championships.
Pallante worked out three times a day that week while doing his roadwork at night. He beat Charles in triple overtime to take the region crown"
"Pallante says it is such an honor to be offered a scholarship to UM. As a kid, he grew up dreaming of playing for the Wolverines."
February 18th, 2013 at 1:07 PM
#1053
My cousin is graduating from
My cousin is graduating from the same high school as Pallante this year. They're friends. I asked my uncle what he knows. Here's what he said:
Pallante has an incredible work ethic. My cousin is a touted baseball prospect, so my uncle knows hard work when he sees it. Pallante is also arguably the best wrestler in the country. He's also a great kid.
This move is intriguing to me.
February 18th, 2013 at 1:15 PM
#1054
Hello, I am from the future
it turns out that this guy is pretty good and the coaches determined he was good WITHOUT THE HELP OF A RIVALS PAGE. CRAZY, I KNOW
February 18th, 2013 at 9:47 PM
#1055
how far into the future? b/c
how far into the future? b/c i'd like to know if you turn the team around next year, keep trouba, etc.
thanks coach
February 18th, 2013 at 1:35 PM
#1056
Perhaps he reminds
Hoke of Rob Renes or he has potential to plug the middle in short yardage.
He is not a top tier talent at this point, but the greyshirt puts him 2.5 years from his first season and his supposed work ethic means a whole of lifting in his future.
Strategically, he is also a good kid from Florida that could help us build a recruiting base in the area.
February 18th, 2013 at 1:44 PM
#1057
While we are at it, can we
While we are at it, can we also get Brandi Passante (from Storage Wars) into a tight greyshirt, as a package deal? Boobs.
February 18th, 2013 at 3:18 PM
#1058
Great form
Stays low, uses hands well...lots of power. Plenty of times saw him drive his blocker back several feet right off the punch. Textbook technique.
February 18th, 2013 at 4:33 PM
#1059
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Back to the
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Back to the "Urban will kill Hoke in recruting, year in and year out" statement. Who is this guy? omgcodysigned. I'm not even sure that can be used as a username. I would call you sir, but instead I will use, Boy. Boy, did you pay attention to recruiting this year. Ohio and Us virtually were evenly matched in recruitng and this is Michigan coming off an 8-5 compared to Ohio coming off a 12-0. If we had played Gardener vs NEB, or if Shoelace hadn't gotten hurt, and won that game and beat Ohio, and ND, and SC, which were all very close, we would have passed them unanimously in all of the recruiting services. Somebody take this guy's dimebag from him.
February 18th, 2013 at 5:12 PM
#1060
Kid seems like the ideal
Kid seems like the ideal nose. If he comes in as part of the 2015 class then he'll be 3 years behind Pipkins. I think the kid could be valuable in goal line situations at the very least.
February 18th, 2013 at 6:00 PM
#1061
Unmmmmm
I think maybe we need to let the guys who have been coaching football forever (Hoke, Mattison, etc) decide this stuff.
February 18th, 2013 at 6:37 PM
#1062
I'm definitely a "trust the
I'm definitely a "trust the coaches" type, but this seems strange. Its just that the kid has another season of football, so the two most likely things to happen are:
1. He has a great season, receives other offers and Michigan has to decide whether to match those scholarship offers.
2. He has a meh season, maybe picks up some low level offers and Michigan takes him on as a grayshirt.
It just seems strange to offer him even a grayshirt option so early in the recruiting cycle, I could understand if he was a 2013 kid who showed great raw skills or maybe played at a small school somewhere off the beaten path. But it seems like if this kid shows promise UM will have to pony of a scholarship offer in order to keep him coming here. I guess maybe its their way of saying we like your potential but we have a small class so this is our way of showing our interest?
February 18th, 2013 at 11:32 PM
#1063
Greyshirt
Can someone explain how the Greyshirt process works?
February 19th, 2013 at 1:00 PM
#1064
As I understand it, the kid
As I understand it, the kid pays for his freshman year of school and goes on scholarship the following year, so he counts against the next year's class.
Cue corrections.
February 19th, 2013 at 9:48 AM
#1065
I'm late to the part (had a
I'm late to the part (had a busy weekend), but I would like to echo what Space Coyote said.
It would be great to get huge guys who can stay low AND move well, but those are rare. Otherwise, you have to manufacture success. If a William Campbell clone came along at Cass Tech, you would all be rooting for Michigan to recruit him. But he had a mediocre career, because he couldn't stay low and he didn't go hard every play.
Pallante has great technique and leverage. What he lacks in size and athleticism, he'll make up for in other areas. Mike Martin was somewhat similar, but probably a better overall athlete. Regardless, I see Pallante as a two-down defensive tackle who can hold the point of attack against the run, and then you might pull him in third-and-long situations. I see no problem with a grayshirt offer at all.
