I'm sure you all remember another heavyweight state champion wrestler we had:
I'm sure you all remember another heavyweight state champion wrestler we had:
My cool story bro moment:
I was also a class of '08 (same as Mike Martin). I went to a catholic league school (much smaller than CC), but we wrestled them that season. I was a 215lb kid at the time, but had to wrestle up a division (to 285) that day. My opponent? Mike Martin. It didn't go well for me. But yeah. Cool story bro
Actually is cool, nice to compete in any way against players you recognize from college, or professional.
Any dude who is a state wrestling heavyweight champion is going to be a stud.
The raw material is there, if not the football skills up front.
We like wrestling champion DT's at Michigan.
Rob Renes was also a wrestling champion.
...Reggie McKenzie was a state wrestling champion. Of course Reggie played on the offensive line.
IIRC, Terrence Taylor was a part of that club as well.
Coach Hoke coached D-line when we won a national title. The man knows talent.
I believe this is a Jeremy Clark situation. I'm guessing this could be a greyshirt?
Is it? I haven't seen any mentioning of a grey-shirt, and the article specifically says that he was offered. However, I don't know a ton about the situation, and I am not a VIP member at 247, so I can't read the second half of the article.
I'm seeing rumblings on Twitter so take it for what it's worth until confirmed.
You're right, it could be a grey shirt. I wasn't able to find Tremendous's exact tweet, but I found one that was retweeted by a couple people
Which makes me think that he tweeted it, then deleted it. I'm not sure whether that's becuase it's innacurate, or if it is for paywalling reasons or what, but I guess we'll have to wait until more info comes out.
I trust our three coaches who specialize in the defensize line over some random internet guy's opinion. If the coaches want him enough to offer him, then I want him too.
It's a fair point of view if you elaborate. Otherwise, you sound petulant. Let us know why you don't want.
PA Baller, since you are new here, you probably are not familiar with something called the "Heininger Certainty Principle." To enhance your mgoblog experience, please check out the following: http://mgoblog.com/content/upon-further-review-2012-defense-vs-illinois
they can't all be 5 star players, not even 'Bama get all 4-5 star players, players like this help with depth at the very least and you never know just how good he will be down the road. You know what I would like to see from The Mathlete, I want to see some stats about which teams turned their 2-3 star players into draftable talent most often, because just like not all 3 stars are created equal, not all coaching staffs are created equal.
Tremendous tweeted that this was a greyshirt situation with a story upcoming. Looks like the tweet has been deleted and the story is up with no mention of a greyshirt (I'm not VIP though) so I would bet it is a normal scholarship.
context clues says he camped last summer...the coaches have seen him in person so they must love what he has....hope he comes aboard
Unless the staff feels he is a top second option should they not land McDowell and a few others at dt.... With Mone already committed I would be suprised if they accpet a commitment quickly before Mcdowell even visits....
No doubt though the staff knows defensive talent so we shall see how it unfolds. I don't think McDowell ends up at DE unless it's SDE......
He would count towards 2015
We want all Robinsons.
I applaud that sentiment: here's the wrap up on Gelen's undefeated season which concluded yesterday. GRII (his dad) drove up from Atlanta to see him finish what he started last year.
(The problem with wrestling is that Gelen's in the 220-lb class; he seems to project as a DE more than an LB but he's LB sized at the moment.)
But back to Brady Pallante! He's from one of the better FB programs here in SWFL--although BC is better known for sending one Heuerman to Ohio and one to ND. Brady's father, Dan, is the HC here. And we like coaches' sons, don't we? Here's the wrap on Brady's wrestling championship.
Bottom line: trust the coaches and the Heininger Certainty Principle.
Eh, he's really not LB sized. If he's wrestling at 220, he'll be 240 a month after wrestling season ends.
He'll probably be 240 a day after wrestling season is over. It's insane how much your weight can fluctuate. I'd be as low as 145 and as high as 165 in a matter of days.
Agreed - I'd really like to see us go after Gelen as a WDE.
Yes, that's actually exactly the problem. The reason he hasn't been offered yet (and you'd know the minute he was because he'd have accepted) is that he's too much of a tweener--not yet tall/heavy enough for a DL, even WDE, but not really "made" to be an LB either (although Lake Central moves him all over the field). It's probably a large part of why he doesn't yet have any offers, not even MAC, as of last check-in.
Kind of surprised Magnus hasn't already chimed in with the whole size thing. It's kind of like his go-to on Gelen.
Anyway, 2-time DPOY for The Region, and gunning for three, which has not yet been done. (The Illinois winner this year from the NWI Times was Nyles Morgan, interestingly.)
I disagree, I don't think he's a tweeter. I think he's big enough for WDE and could be a SDE if he was taller (which he'll likely get if his genes are any indicator). He's already bigger than Ojemudia ever was in high school, and some scouts have even said he could be a DT in college.
I love to offer him. He's a good football player and a great overall athlete, and those guys find ways to contribute. He'll finish as a three time all-state wrestler, three time state finalist shot and discus thrower, in addition to his football accolades. He's listed at 6'2" but I bet he adds an inch or two to that and is plenty tall for the DL. I know we're in on some top DL, but he'd be a great pick up. I don't want us to regret not offering him like Purdue regrets not offering his brother.
By the way, he has an offer from Illinois already.
If we're talking 6-2 and 220 to 240, he's the size of Ryan or Demens. I'm not familiar enough with his game to know if he has the speed and lateral movement to play LB at Michigan, but he has the size. The issue I see is if be packs on too much more weight and does not grow and lacks or loses his quickness. I'm thinking he's enough of an athlete to give it a go though and won't balloon without stretching some too.
I disagree. He is a tweeter, and here is a link to his account.
In all (or more) seriousness, I'd love to offer him too. Funny you should point that out about Illinois; I had a momentary fear earlier that he'd end up there and we'd regret it. Then I thought, "nah. he'd go to Purdue first." Not because of his dad, but because of proximity as well as former LC teammate David Yancey there too.
He played last fall listed at 6'2", 232. That's Ojemudia-size, so WDE is not out of the question, but it's also "smaller than Demens-size", he of course being 5-6 years older.
I worry that if they really wanted him they'd have offered him already.
Ojemudia was 223 on the fall roster as a frosh, Frank Clark was 228 and Brennan Beyer was 223 as well. They are all 6'2" to 6'3". Gelen is 6'2" 232 as a junior in high school, so if he's a tweener than all of our WDEs are. WDE prospects are often LB sized in high school, even the ones who don't spend all winter keeping their weight down for wrestling.
If Gelen is a tweener, he's a WDE/SDE tweener, in fact 247 lists him as the latter. The only gripe I have with him is his height, and if he can add an inch or two he'd be great.
Very encouraging. Florida generally equals good potential for athleticism. Wrestling champion plus coach's son equals great technique and work ethic.
Get thee to the training table, son.
If this is a normal scholarship offer, it's extremely puzzling given the small class size and interest from other big prospects. Something doesn't add up here.
Can someone explain how the Greyshirt situation works? How can they offer someone a Greyshirt?
A greyshirt means he won't enroll until January 2015 (on scholarship). He is not allowed to be with the team or be enrolled in school for first semester, he enrolls 2nd semester. By doing this he saves a year of eligibility and he would be a true freshman in fall 2015.
I believe a grey shirt can enroll, but he'd have to pay his own way, and he cannot participate with the team.
You are allowed 5 CALENDAR years to complete 4 athletic seasons, and the calendar year begins once one is enrolled.
So by enrolling in Jan. of 2015 he counts like a '15 recruit and can play through the 2019 season (assuming he sits one season out). However, if he enrolls in the Fall of 2014, then his eleigibility clock starts from that calendar year (even if he is not on scholarship and does not practice with the team) so would end after the 2018 season.
Right, and I don't believe he can be full time. If you are a full time student, your clock starts. He can enroll though.
I grey shirted all five years at Michigan.
What is the definition of "participate?" I'm wondering if using strength and conditioning facilities is considered participation? Is he allowed to start to learn a playbook? I could see not suiting up, and not attending practices, in the Fall of 2014, but he still would be helped a lot if he can work on strength, stamina, weight, diet, and familiarity with schemes, etc.
He did camp at Michigan last summer and apparently did pretty well. Will be interesting to see how this plays out. The stories on his wrestling championship say that he's at 288 lbs, so he's got some good size for a 2014 guy.
Also, Tom VH has confirmed that its a gray shirt offer. Story is up on Wolverine Nation.
Either way he'll have a blue shirt from Ferns.
So he'll be a greyshirt with a blue shirt who will likely redshirt.
OK, I think I got it.
the internet today, good sir.
Guys we take this early in the cycle tend to be the program's first choice. Yay I say; hope we get him.
Guys Michigan views as a first choice are typically offered a full scholarship without a greyshirt condition. Hopefully Michigan gets him regardless
...does the name Jeremy Clark ring a bell?
Because he doesn't have a Rivals page?
Why do you say that? Conley was the same way a year ago, and he ended up being a big time recruit. It's early, way too early for a guy like you to say he won't contribute.
Same way as Conley? So Urban will be offering soon?
He was rated in the top 20 in Ohio early on and was a legit three star before rising up the rankings. Brady may be a good player but he does not have near the early ranking as Conley did
I AM trying to come off as a jerk, but do you think the coaches aren't trying to bring in the players they think can help them win? Do you think Hoke and Mattison are sitting around saying, "you know, we could probably get someone better, but recruiting is hard and is cutting into my Downton Abbey time, so f*ck it. Lets just grab someone."
Yeah I could see this conversation going down.
Fred Jackson: "Downton Abbey, it's like Sherlock, but more British"
You're coming off as someone who thinks they know a lot, when it appears you know very little about the subject at hand. I'm not advocating trusting the coaches no matter what, but you seem to very sure in your own assessment of a potential DL recruit who you know practically nothing about. So much so, that you can use it to make broad statements about the future of the program. I think we can all acknowledge the possibility you may be correct about this players' future. After all, the percentage of recruits who wash out is not insignificant, regardless of their recruiting profile. But by all means, come back in five years and remind us how much better you are at judging the potential of recruits than our staff. Expect some extra credit for the handicap of never seeing the players in person or working with them in a camp.
Some people don't have to try to be a jerk . . . it just comes naturally.
As regards which players the coaches bring in, there is a lot of parity. I do believe that sometimes, coaches will see intangibles that others miss, and that it may be worth taking a shot with some high risk recruits. (not in terms of risky behavior, but risky in terms of whether or not they pan out.)
Let me share a few examples of "risky" recruits:
As regards Urban Meyer vs. Brady Hoke, I think it is too soon to render the judgement you've given. It will be interesting to see how Michigan performs against Ohio in 2014 & 2015. I believe that our offensive and defensive line recruiting is going to bear more fruit than you expect. I also believe that Borges will be able to do more with Gardner and then Morris, especially as we add stronger receivers. I also believe you have underestimated the coaching ability of Greg Mattison and those under him. He has done tremendous things already with meh recruits. As the quality of recruits improves, our defense is only going to get stronger. And I believe Michigan football will be very competitive with Ohio, both in recruiting and on the field.
Well, at least you outed yourself as a RCMB troll. We don't "bump" threads around here. You can't bring this thread back unless you make a new one and mention it. Also, get the fuck off my board
but you sure can put together one hell of a sentence.
That sentence is still going, in fact. I can't wait to see how it ends.
your insight into why we would be wasting a scholarship on this recruit. Those are pretty strong words, so I would hope you have something to back them up.
Seriously. Are the mlive message boards down right now? There has been a whole lotta trollin' going on recently.
I hate to link to bleacherreport, but for a change there is something a value.
I kinda hope you forget your password.
So this is pretty much like a 2015 commit?
Assuming he greyshirts I believe that is correct.
puzzling at such an early stage in the process.
Congrats to Brady if valid.
This is good news. Always like to see kids who can compete in other sports get a shot if they can make the cut. Not sure how the process will play out, but state champs in wrestling seem to be a good thing at UM.
so were is all the shit talking about the sec grey shirting a player?
SEC schools tell recruits they have a scholarship offer, then greyshirt them once they get on campus. Greyshirting is completely valid so long as the recruit knows that he's being greyshirted.
How do you know who was told what? speculatins? What difference does it make anyways? No coach would greyshirt a player who could contribute right away.
Smh. I'll let someone from last year's Jeremy Clark post explain. Have a good day at school tomorrow!
"The best way to understand this is to realize that while he is a 2012 prospect, they are offering him a 2013 scholarship. That means he has a choice. He can wait to enroll until 2013 (January 2013 as an early enrollee for that class) and receive his scholarship without having to pay for anything out of pocket or he can enroll in the Fall of 2012 and pay his own way for the first semester (unless a scholarship opens in the fall).
Keep in mind he has 5 years to play 4 seasons, from the time he becomes a full-time student. So if he doesn't enroll in the fall, or he enrolls with less than 12 credit hours, then the eligibility clock won't start until 2013. "
When did i ask for a definition of a greyshirt? i asked 2 other questions
And outstanding questions they were. I count four, in fact.
1) so were is all the shit talking about the sec grey shirting a player?
I think this one was answered.
2) How do you know who was told what?
It is very clear from Tom VH's piece that Pallante knows the deal. He's excited about it.
4) What difference does it make anyways?
It makes a difference. If I tell you that you have a scholarship offer but I need you to start in 2015 - and you like that idea - what's wrong with that? If I tell you that you have a scholarship offer for 2014 - and then after you commit I find someone better and come back and say, "Actually, never mind..." - that's a completely different situation.
If you believe that there's something ethically wrong about this kind of gray shirt, then you'd probably have to say that it'd be better for the kid for Michigan not to offer him at all than to offer him a (de facto) place in the 2015 class. I can't imagine that Pallante would agree with that.
Your response to #3 is definitely better than anything I thought up. Succinct and to the point. Well played Sir.
Here is an article describing some shady grayshirting practices by Nick Saban: http://www.foxsportssouth.com/pages/landing?blockID=663062
The players involved were promised spots in Alabama's 2012 recruiting class and had been committed for months, but just before signing day their offers were downgraded to grayshirts. This is completely different than telling a recruit up-front that he is being offered a grayshirt.
So just so i understand this correctly, they were told before nsd? Why did they go to Alabama then? If they didnt sign anything yet they could of easily choose another school on nsd
Some of them did. What's your point?
But with whom? They had most likely established relationships with other players in their class and the coaches, like we hear about our recruits doing. Then on short notice, they need to start over, see who has room and interest. They are forced into making a rushed decision, with a lot less information and perhaps fewer choices than they would have had before. Are you seriously equating that to offering him a greyshirt a year in advance?
Let me try explaining this with an analogy, because I find them very helpful.
Let's say you're a senior in college, it's a handful of months before graduation and you're interviewing for jobs.
Scenario A: I offer you a job for 40k per year. This is the best offer you have, so you accept it.
Scenario B: I offer you a job for 150k per year. You have a number of other offers, but you decide that this is the best one for you, and you accept it. You tell all of the other employers that you have chosen to work for me. A week before you're scheduled to start, I tell you that we found someone for your position that we liked better, but not to worry, we have another spot available where you'll be making 40k per year. It's possible that you could call up the other employers who offered you, but it's likely they've moved on to other candidates at this point, and you're forced to either take the 40k per year job, or jump on whatever else is left that is likely worse than the options you had a handful of months ago.
Scenario A is what we've done and are doing (it seems) with Pallante. Scenario B is what the SEC has done, and this is what irks many of us. You may think both are right or both are wrong, but either way, they're not the same.
wow, this was a perfect example
It's really just the old "Bait and Switch".
If I know that you are not going to offer me the luxury sedan in my price range up front, I can make my decision accordingly on my own timeframe. Nobody gets screwed.
But if you tell me that you are going to offer it, and then I sell my old car, get an approved loan, and take a day off work to drive out and pick it up, and then you say "just kidding", you've just knowingly screwed me.
To do this to a kid is immoral. Or rather, it is just being the SEC.
You have got to be kidding. Read up on the kid Saban offered to find a job at Home Depot.
A greyshirt cannot be on campus, workout or practice with the team in the summer or fall...they are not allowed to enroll till the 2nd or winter semester/quarter.....they can't participate in bowl practices either.....so no sec teams cannot do that once they have a kid on campus.
Grayshirts are issued to juniors who have played, not high school kids.
Show me proof of this, not a juco either
Use Google or the search engine on this site if you're that enamored by the concept.
Why would i google his claim?
Maybe you could Google "anger management classes."
I am a grown man having a discussion whos angry?
What are you talking about? Prove to me Michael Ferns was offered a full scholarship. Prove to me his Twitter account is not an elaborate hoax. That's basically what you're asking right now.
No one hates on the SEC for this as long as the player knows it when he commits. It's when guys are forced into it that it's shady.
that the majority of the SEC took. 30 player at 2 schools, 32 for another...come on.
The limits 25, Michigan took 27 word around here was 28 was the target. Those 2 schools you are referring to back dated scholarships so did Michigan, that is not breaking the rules. Maybe the BIG should allow schools to back date more then 3 scholarships just maybe it will become more competitive
I don't think middling Big Ten schools have been turning away 4-star recruits due to inadequate scholarship allotments, so increasing the per-year limit probably wouldn't make a difference.
...to only back-date up to 3 schollies per year. I thought it was an NCAA rule. Believing that, I thought it particularly odd that several SEC schools had 5 to 7 over 25.
How about you provide us with one example of someone here actually doing that in a comparable situation?
if there's one thing hoke and mattison know, its the d-line. hoke personally oversaw a d-line that won a national title. he knows what he's looking for. state champion wrestler shows he must have great strength, and a coach's son means he should have great technique and fundamentals. plenty of guys fly under the radar that turn out to be studs. not saying he'll be a stud, but he could. bottom line is that if he's good enough for hoke, he's good enough for us fans.
Yes, it's worth pointing out that he is not being offered as a walk-on where he may never get a scholarship.
He is being offered a firm 2015 scholarship. He will count toward the 2015 scholarship limit. The coaches clearly want him, but they have other 2014 priorities they have to address with limited scholarships for 2014.
This thread shows us that while 85% of M fans are pretty knowledgeable, those other 15% are idiots.
I was about to say something similar. I'm not sure that I've ever seen an MGoBlog thread so clearly distinguish the good posters on here (in my view) from the other ones.
Also, there seems to be a pretty strong positive correlation between grammatical skills and non-craziness/assholeness around here.
Been a lot of MLive in these parts of late...
Plz bring back Negbangs.
I don't care where you are on the planet, a solid 15% of people everywhere are assholes. It's unfortunate that it also applies to UM fans, but the evidence is irrefutable.
When I'm in Columbus, it seems to become the 80% rule.
When I'm in Columbus, it seems to become the 80% rule.
so true, he had to post it twice.
Edit: I suck at the internet. Nevermind.
Not sure if a reliable source, but Joshua Henschke of the Big House Report has a post up—Quick Hits with Brady Pallante—based on an interview with Pallante. It indicates a commitment isn't imminent.
Thanks for posting this.
Honestly, if I were advising the kid I would strongly encourage him to commit. It would secure a place at a great school, get him a ton of exposure for possible full scholarship offers, and put him in a place where no one would fault him if he decided to go elsewhere for a traditional scholarship (especially since there's so much time until Signing Day 2015).
forgive me if I'm wrong, but assuming a greyshirt, couldn't he commit on signing day and still be assured a spot since it's for the 2015 class? If i were him I would wait until then to see if I got a 2014 full ride from somebody or a school that I liked better offered me a greyshirt (yes, impossible to like any school more than U of M)
If he wants to wait, then he is running the risk of the coaches offering that spot to someone else. Although his signing day is further off, that doesn't mean the coaches are going to wait almost a year to decide whether to recruit somebody else for that spot. They are bringing 2015 kids in for visits and have sent out a handful of offers already.
I don't think he is going to be a 5 star recruit, because his ceiling is somewhat limited by his athletic ability, but he has a very high floor. The kid consistently maintains low leverage, shoots off the ball pretty well, has a strong base, and uses his hands well. He has the technique already that is often the most difficult to teach many of the guys in the trenches. Now he isn't going to be chasing down WRs sideline to sideline, but if he has always dreamed of playing for Michigan, he camped at Michigan, and decides to commit, I would be happy with the pick up. Would be solid as a penetrating 3-tech or be able to hold his own at the nose. He won't be a star of a class, but would be a great foundation to build around because you would know what you have in him.
to have guys who are willing to be primarily practice players content to bust their asses during the week without many opportunities to see the field on Saturdays.
You don't say, "well, we need some hard working won't complain practice guys in this class." You hope they fill out that way, but ideally it's young guys waiting for their chance. You may take guys who are specialists...long snappers, return guys, etc. Guys you know won't be NFL left tackles or 2000 yard rushers, but can help your team. But not guys just to fill out a roster and add spirit.
If they offered a spot to this kid, I believe they think he can play.
I agree that someone who does things the right way every time is a player worth having. One thing people seem to consistently forget is that Mattison likes to shuttle guys in and out both on the line and in the LB corps, to keep them fresh. If Pallante can come in on 2nd or 3rd down for a play to give the starting DT the chance to catch his breath, that seems a worthwhile goal, and a reasonable scholarship to offer.
Unless you are Alabama or oversign like carzy (redundant, I know), you are not going to get all 4*/5*'s for the number of guys that Mattison wants to play on D.
You need some "active bench" players. These are not just guys that come in when somebody gets hurt, they are regular players that are part of the normal rotation but not necessary the first-choice guys you put in on money downs when the game is on the line.
They are your third or fourth line in Hockey. You need those kind of guys in Mattison's system.
All I care about is toughness and physicalness.
Sounds like Hoke if you just add the part about "hearing football."
"I can hear football being played when Brady Pallante puts on the pads."
physicality. To use the new word on the block.
MANBALLNESS. To use the newer word on the block.
The coaches could recruit all unranked guys, but they would still know what they are doing and it'd still be a great team.
Some on this thread clearly only care about stars and rankings.
I love Hoke as much as the next guy but what has he done in two years to make you think he can develop zero stars into talent?
Well he did develop guys with zero star coaching into talent.
I highly doubt Pallatine is going to wind up as a zero star recruit. There are lots of players who Scout and Rivals don't get around to rating until pretty late in the cycle.
That said, Hoke's defensive staff has gotten production out of walk-ons (Heininger, Brink, arguably Kovacs depending on how you define him and how much credit you give to Rich Rod's staff), a guy recruited to play offensive line (QWash), and several players who came in with underwhelming recruiting profiles (Desmond Morgan, Raymon Taylor, Keith Heitzman).
LOL at the idea that Hoke has only been coaching for two years.
But maybe Brady just likes Bradys.
It's probably a similar situation to the safety in the 2012 class. If they miss on a lot of other d line guys or have extra space it may become a normal offer
We can has all of the Brady's
Yes, in a thread about greyshirting, a "WOO GREYSHIRT" comment is off-topic.
I guess there aren't a lot of fans of Beyonce on this board.
(yep, seems to work just fine).
It had to be said twice.
(testing response potential of new MGoBlog app)
people need to quit being jackasses. Do the people complaining about this realize that 'Bama took a pro style qb last class rated at an 81? or that they took an ILB rated at an 84? LSU took a DT rated at an 86 and an OT at an 84. UF had a non special teams player rated in the 70s. Point is, no team is going to get all 4-5 stars, deal with it
signed 2-star DT Brandon Ivory, and unranked DT Anthony Orr. Too bad Nick wasted those scholarships; otherwise he might have won a national championship.
Anthony Orr was a top 30 DE with 3 stars on both Scout and Rivals with offers from half a dozen SEC schools.
But your point still stands, especially considering he grey-shirted. And Ivory is a great example of under the radar talent... 2 stars, unranked at his position, no BCS offers other than Alabama.
An EA NCAA reference?
I don't know much about evaluating players. Would someone who does post on what he does well/poorly based on highlights? They look pretty good to me at first glance
Space Cowboy did a nice job of that above.
Ah I see it, thx
This is a curious, shrewd and somewhat tantalizing bit of news. Curious in that a 2014 guy would agree to a "greyshirt" so early in the recruiting cycle. A shrewd move by Hoke & Co. if they are taking a guy who's a M lock and deferring the scholarship since he'd redshirt anyway. Tantalizing is the confidence the staff must have in some of the high-profile targets signing on that they would take this course of action.
This is a good point.
As of now, M only has 16 spots for the 2014 class. With normal attrition, we are still looking at a class no larger than 20. Perhaps if M had another half-dozen scholarships to give out, Pallante would have gotten a normal offer. But with only 16-19 spots, the staff is presumably saving them for higher-priority recruits.
We might be able to just wait until 2015 and sign another player of comparable ability to Pallante. But if we did that, then the player redshirts the '15 season and isn't available until 2016. By taking Pallante as a grayshirt in 2014, maybe we have him available and ready to contribute a year earlier.
Personally, though, I think M's history of turning wrestlers into effective defensive linemen suggests Pallante is going to be a good player.
My cousin is graduating from the same high school as Pallante this year. They're friends. I asked my uncle what he knows. Here's what he said:
Pallante has an incredible work ethic. My cousin is a touted baseball prospect, so my uncle knows hard work when he sees it. Pallante is also arguably the best wrestler in the country. He's also a great kid.
This move is intriguing to me.
it turns out that this guy is pretty good and the coaches determined he was good WITHOUT THE HELP OF A RIVALS PAGE. CRAZY, I KNOW
how far into the future? b/c i'd like to know if you turn the team around next year, keep trouba, etc.
Hoke of Rob Renes or he has potential to plug the middle in short yardage.
He is not a top tier talent at this point, but the greyshirt puts him 2.5 years from his first season and his supposed work ethic means a whole of lifting in his future.
Strategically, he is also a good kid from Florida that could help us build a recruiting base in the area.
While we are at it, can we also get Brandi Passante (from Storage Wars) into a tight greyshirt, as a package deal? Boobs.
Stays low, uses hands well...lots of power. Plenty of times saw him drive his blocker back several feet right off the punch. Textbook technique.
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Back to the "Urban will kill Hoke in recruting, year in and year out" statement. Who is this guy? omgcodysigned. I'm not even sure that can be used as a username. I would call you sir, but instead I will use, Boy. Boy, did you pay attention to recruiting this year. Ohio and Us virtually were evenly matched in recruitng and this is Michigan coming off an 8-5 compared to Ohio coming off a 12-0. If we had played Gardener vs NEB, or if Shoelace hadn't gotten hurt, and won that game and beat Ohio, and ND, and SC, which were all very close, we would have passed them unanimously in all of the recruiting services. Somebody take this guy's dimebag from him.
Kid seems like the ideal nose. If he comes in as part of the 2015 class then he'll be 3 years behind Pipkins. I think the kid could be valuable in goal line situations at the very least.
I think maybe we need to let the guys who have been coaching football forever (Hoke, Mattison, etc) decide this stuff.
I'm definitely a "trust the coaches" type, but this seems strange. Its just that the kid has another season of football, so the two most likely things to happen are:
1. He has a great season, receives other offers and Michigan has to decide whether to match those scholarship offers.
2. He has a meh season, maybe picks up some low level offers and Michigan takes him on as a grayshirt.
It just seems strange to offer him even a grayshirt option so early in the recruiting cycle, I could understand if he was a 2013 kid who showed great raw skills or maybe played at a small school somewhere off the beaten path. But it seems like if this kid shows promise UM will have to pony of a scholarship offer in order to keep him coming here. I guess maybe its their way of saying we like your potential but we have a small class so this is our way of showing our interest?
Can someone explain how the Greyshirt process works?
As I understand it, the kid pays for his freshman year of school and goes on scholarship the following year, so he counts against the next year's class.
I'm late to the part (had a busy weekend), but I would like to echo what Space Coyote said.
It would be great to get huge guys who can stay low AND move well, but those are rare. Otherwise, you have to manufacture success. If a William Campbell clone came along at Cass Tech, you would all be rooting for Michigan to recruit him. But he had a mediocre career, because he couldn't stay low and he didn't go hard every play.
Pallante has great technique and leverage. What he lacks in size and athleticism, he'll make up for in other areas. Mike Martin was somewhat similar, but probably a better overall athlete. Regardless, I see Pallante as a two-down defensive tackle who can hold the point of attack against the run, and then you might pull him in third-and-long situations. I see no problem with a grayshirt offer at all.