...does the name Jeremy Clark ring a bell?
Michigan offers [greyshirt] DT Brady Pallante. Per Tremendous: very likely on the verge of adding a new commitment
Because he doesn't have a Rivals page?
Why do you say that? Conley was the same way a year ago, and he ended up being a big time recruit. It's early, way too early for a guy like you to say he won't contribute.
Same way as Conley? So Urban will be offering soon?
He was rated in the top 20 in Ohio early on and was a legit three star before rising up the rankings. Brady may be a good player but he does not have near the early ranking as Conley did
I AM trying to come off as a jerk, but do you think the coaches aren't trying to bring in the players they think can help them win? Do you think Hoke and Mattison are sitting around saying, "you know, we could probably get someone better, but recruiting is hard and is cutting into my Downton Abbey time, so f*ck it. Lets just grab someone."
Yeah I could see this conversation going down.
Fred Jackson: "Downton Abbey, it's like Sherlock, but more British"
You're coming off as someone who thinks they know a lot, when it appears you know very little about the subject at hand. I'm not advocating trusting the coaches no matter what, but you seem to very sure in your own assessment of a potential DL recruit who you know practically nothing about. So much so, that you can use it to make broad statements about the future of the program. I think we can all acknowledge the possibility you may be correct about this players' future. After all, the percentage of recruits who wash out is not insignificant, regardless of their recruiting profile. But by all means, come back in five years and remind us how much better you are at judging the potential of recruits than our staff. Expect some extra credit for the handicap of never seeing the players in person or working with them in a camp.
Some people don't have to try to be a jerk . . . it just comes naturally.
As regards which players the coaches bring in, there is a lot of parity. I do believe that sometimes, coaches will see intangibles that others miss, and that it may be worth taking a shot with some high risk recruits. (not in terms of risky behavior, but risky in terms of whether or not they pan out.)
Let me share a few examples of "risky" recruits:
- While it isn't a perfect analogy, I would commend to you the ESPN special on Tom Brady. With the benefit of hindsight, many teams wish they had drafted Brady. His measurables were terrible, but he just wins.
- Look also at the recruiting discussions on Mike Hart before he came to Michigan. The word on the boards when he was a high school senior were that he would never amount to much, maybe a third down RB change of pace kind of guy.
- Although a flawed example, consider Denard Robinson. Who, besides Michigan, offered him as a Quarterback? While he'll never play QB in the NFL, he was great for Michigan. He was someone that all the big programs just ignored in that position.
As regards Urban Meyer vs. Brady Hoke, I think it is too soon to render the judgement you've given. It will be interesting to see how Michigan performs against Ohio in 2014 & 2015. I believe that our offensive and defensive line recruiting is going to bear more fruit than you expect. I also believe that Borges will be able to do more with Gardner and then Morris, especially as we add stronger receivers. I also believe you have underestimated the coaching ability of Greg Mattison and those under him. He has done tremendous things already with meh recruits. As the quality of recruits improves, our defense is only going to get stronger. And I believe Michigan football will be very competitive with Ohio, both in recruiting and on the field.
Well, at least you outed yourself as a RCMB troll. We don't "bump" threads around here. You can't bring this thread back unless you make a new one and mention it. Also, get the fuck off my board
but you sure can put together one hell of a sentence.
That sentence is still going, in fact. I can't wait to see how it ends.
your insight into why we would be wasting a scholarship on this recruit. Those are pretty strong words, so I would hope you have something to back them up.
Seriously. Are the mlive message boards down right now? There has been a whole lotta trollin' going on recently.
I hate to link to bleacherreport, but for a change there is something a value.
I kinda hope you forget your password.
So this is pretty much like a 2015 commit?
Assuming he greyshirts I believe that is correct.
puzzling at such an early stage in the process.
Congrats to Brady if valid.
This is good news. Always like to see kids who can compete in other sports get a shot if they can make the cut. Not sure how the process will play out, but state champs in wrestling seem to be a good thing at UM.
so were is all the shit talking about the sec grey shirting a player?
SEC schools tell recruits they have a scholarship offer, then greyshirt them once they get on campus. Greyshirting is completely valid so long as the recruit knows that he's being greyshirted.
How do you know who was told what? speculatins? What difference does it make anyways? No coach would greyshirt a player who could contribute right away.
Smh. I'll let someone from last year's Jeremy Clark post explain. Have a good day at school tomorrow!
"The best way to understand this is to realize that while he is a 2012 prospect, they are offering him a 2013 scholarship. That means he has a choice. He can wait to enroll until 2013 (January 2013 as an early enrollee for that class) and receive his scholarship without having to pay for anything out of pocket or he can enroll in the Fall of 2012 and pay his own way for the first semester (unless a scholarship opens in the fall).
Keep in mind he has 5 years to play 4 seasons, from the time he becomes a full-time student. So if he doesn't enroll in the fall, or he enrolls with less than 12 credit hours, then the eligibility clock won't start until 2013. "
When did i ask for a definition of a greyshirt? i asked 2 other questions
And outstanding questions they were. I count four, in fact.
1) so were is all the shit talking about the sec grey shirting a player?
I think this one was answered.
2) How do you know who was told what?
It is very clear from Tom VH's piece that Pallante knows the deal. He's excited about it.
4) What difference does it make anyways?
It makes a difference. If I tell you that you have a scholarship offer but I need you to start in 2015 - and you like that idea - what's wrong with that? If I tell you that you have a scholarship offer for 2014 - and then after you commit I find someone better and come back and say, "Actually, never mind..." - that's a completely different situation.
If you believe that there's something ethically wrong about this kind of gray shirt, then you'd probably have to say that it'd be better for the kid for Michigan not to offer him at all than to offer him a (de facto) place in the 2015 class. I can't imagine that Pallante would agree with that.
Your response to #3 is definitely better than anything I thought up. Succinct and to the point. Well played Sir.
Here is an article describing some shady grayshirting practices by Nick Saban: http://www.foxsportssouth.com/pages/landing?blockID=663062
The players involved were promised spots in Alabama's 2012 recruiting class and had been committed for months, but just before signing day their offers were downgraded to grayshirts. This is completely different than telling a recruit up-front that he is being offered a grayshirt.
So just so i understand this correctly, they were told before nsd? Why did they go to Alabama then? If they didnt sign anything yet they could of easily choose another school on nsd
Some of them did. What's your point?
But with whom? They had most likely established relationships with other players in their class and the coaches, like we hear about our recruits doing. Then on short notice, they need to start over, see who has room and interest. They are forced into making a rushed decision, with a lot less information and perhaps fewer choices than they would have had before. Are you seriously equating that to offering him a greyshirt a year in advance?
Let me try explaining this with an analogy, because I find them very helpful.
Let's say you're a senior in college, it's a handful of months before graduation and you're interviewing for jobs.
Scenario A: I offer you a job for 40k per year. This is the best offer you have, so you accept it.
Scenario B: I offer you a job for 150k per year. You have a number of other offers, but you decide that this is the best one for you, and you accept it. You tell all of the other employers that you have chosen to work for me. A week before you're scheduled to start, I tell you that we found someone for your position that we liked better, but not to worry, we have another spot available where you'll be making 40k per year. It's possible that you could call up the other employers who offered you, but it's likely they've moved on to other candidates at this point, and you're forced to either take the 40k per year job, or jump on whatever else is left that is likely worse than the options you had a handful of months ago.
Scenario A is what we've done and are doing (it seems) with Pallante. Scenario B is what the SEC has done, and this is what irks many of us. You may think both are right or both are wrong, but either way, they're not the same.
wow, this was a perfect example
It's really just the old "Bait and Switch".
If I know that you are not going to offer me the luxury sedan in my price range up front, I can make my decision accordingly on my own timeframe. Nobody gets screwed.
But if you tell me that you are going to offer it, and then I sell my old car, get an approved loan, and take a day off work to drive out and pick it up, and then you say "just kidding", you've just knowingly screwed me.
To do this to a kid is immoral. Or rather, it is just being the SEC.
You have got to be kidding. Read up on the kid Saban offered to find a job at Home Depot.
A greyshirt cannot be on campus, workout or practice with the team in the summer or fall...they are not allowed to enroll till the 2nd or winter semester/quarter.....they can't participate in bowl practices either.....so no sec teams cannot do that once they have a kid on campus.
Grayshirts are issued to juniors who have played, not high school kids.
Show me proof of this, not a juco either
Use Google or the search engine on this site if you're that enamored by the concept.
Why would i google his claim?
Maybe you could Google "anger management classes."
I am a grown man having a discussion whos angry?
What are you talking about? Prove to me Michael Ferns was offered a full scholarship. Prove to me his Twitter account is not an elaborate hoax. That's basically what you're asking right now.
No one hates on the SEC for this as long as the player knows it when he commits. It's when guys are forced into it that it's shady.
that the majority of the SEC took. 30 player at 2 schools, 32 for another...come on.
The limits 25, Michigan took 27 word around here was 28 was the target. Those 2 schools you are referring to back dated scholarships so did Michigan, that is not breaking the rules. Maybe the BIG should allow schools to back date more then 3 scholarships just maybe it will become more competitive