Michigan offers [greyshirt] DT Brady Pallante. Per Tremendous: very likely on the verge of adding a new commitment

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Michigan offers [greyshirt] DT Brady Pallante. Per Tremendous: very likely on the verge of adding a new commitment

Steve from Tremendous (and now 247) just posted an article on a new offer Brady Pallante.

#Michigan is very likely on the verge of adding another member to the program (VIP): michigan.247sports.com/Board/59424/Mi…
— Steve Lorenz (@TremendousUM) February 18, 2013

He's an under the radar recruit at the moment, and it doesn't look like he has any offers at the moment. I'll trust the coaches on this one, especially with their familiarity with d-linemen.

The article can be read here (half paywalled, half open).

Edit 1: Hat tip to icefins26 and THE INCREDIBLE HOKE, in pointing out that this may be a greyshirt scenario, at least according to this earlier (but deleted) tweet from Tremendous.

@TremendousUM: Barron Collier (FL) DT Brady Pallante has been offered a greyshirt scholarship by #Michigan. Story upcoming.

I guess we'll have to wait and see to tell whether this is a normal scholarship offer or not.

Edit 2: H/T to detrocks on the WolverineNation article (link here). The story confirms that he is in fact a greyshirt offer, and not a standard offer.

February 17th, 2013 at 10:19 PM

robbyt003

Joined: 10/25/2010

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I'm sure you all remember

I'm sure you all remember another heavyweight state champion wrestler we had:

aka

February 18th, 2013 at 11:05 AM

(Reply to #2) #3

Every Roh Has I...

Joined: 11/29/2010

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My cool story bro moment: I

My cool story bro moment:

I was also a class of '08 (same as Mike Martin). I went to a catholic league school (much smaller than CC), but we wrestled them that season. I was a 215lb kid at the time, but had to wrestle up a division (to 285) that day. My opponent? Mike Martin. It didn't go well for me. But yeah. Cool story bro

February 18th, 2013 at 4:34 PM

(Reply to #120) #4

mhollebeek

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cool story bro

Actually is cool, nice to compete in any way against players you recognize from college, or professional.

February 18th, 2013 at 12:11 PM

(Reply to #2) #5

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Any dude who is a state

Any dude who is a state wrestling heavyweight champion is going to be a stud.

The raw material is there, if not the football skills up front.

February 17th, 2013 at 10:20 PM

Blazefire

Joined: 04/17/2009

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Excellent

We like wrestling champion DT's at Michigan.

February 17th, 2013 at 10:37 PM

(Reply to #3) #7

EGD

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Wrestling champions

Rob Renes was also a wrestling champion.

February 17th, 2013 at 11:06 PM

(Reply to #17) #8

Robbie Moore

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Going Back Further...

...Reggie McKenzie was a state wrestling champion. Of course Reggie played on the offensive line.

February 17th, 2013 at 10:37 PM

(Reply to #3) #9

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IIRC, Terrence Taylor was a

IIRC, Terrence Taylor was a part of that club as well.

February 17th, 2013 at 10:21 PM

#10

TexanGOBLUE

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Coach Hoke coached D-line

Coach Hoke coached D-line when we won a national title. The man knows talent.

February 17th, 2013 at 10:21 PM

#11

icefins26

Joined: 02/01/2009

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I believe this is a Jeremy

I believe this is a Jeremy Clark situation. I'm guessing this could be a greyshirt?

February 17th, 2013 at 10:23 PM

(Reply to #5) #12

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Is it? I haven't seen any

Is it? I haven't seen any mentioning of a grey-shirt, and the article specifically says that he was offered. However, I don't know a ton about the situation, and I am not a VIP member at 247, so I can't read the second half of the article.

February 17th, 2013 at 10:27 PM

(Reply to #7) #13

icefins26

Joined: 02/01/2009

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I'm seeing rumblings on

I'm seeing rumblings on Twitter so take it for what it's worth until confirmed.

February 17th, 2013 at 10:34 PM

(Reply to #9) #14

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You're right, it could be a

You're right, it could be a grey shirt. I wasn't able to find Tremendous's exact tweet, but I found one that was retweeted by a couple people

@TremendousUM: Barron Collier (FL) DT Brady Pallante has been offered a greyshirt scholarship by #Michigan. Story upcoming.

Which makes me think that he tweeted it, then deleted it. I'm not sure whether that's becuase it's innacurate, or if it is for paywalling reasons or what, but I guess we'll have to wait until more info comes out.

February 17th, 2013 at 10:25 PM

(Reply to #6) #15

Joined: 04/21/2011

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I trust our three coaches who

I trust our three coaches who specialize in the defensize line over some random internet guy's opinion. If the coaches want him enough to offer him, then I want him too.

February 17th, 2013 at 10:30 PM

(Reply to #6) #16

Mitch Cumstein

Joined: 10/02/2009

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you

suck

February 17th, 2013 at 10:35 PM

(Reply to #6) #17

Joined: 11/13/2009

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It's a fair point of view if

It's a fair point of view if you elaborate. Otherwise, you sound petulant. Let us know why you don't want.

February 17th, 2013 at 10:49 PM

(Reply to #6) #18

EGD

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DTs

PA Baller, since you are new here, you probably are not familiar with something called the "Heininger Certainty Principle." To enhance your mgoblog experience, please check out the following: http://mgoblog.com/content/upon-further-review-2012-defense-vs-illinois

February 18th, 2013 at 9:23 AM

(Reply to #6) #19

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they can't all be 5 start

they can't all be 5 star players, not even 'Bama get all 4-5 star players, players like this help with depth at the very least and you never know just how good he will be down the road. You know what I would like to see from The Mathlete, I want to see some stats about which teams turned their 2-3 star players into draftable talent most often, because just like not all 3 stars are created equal, not all coaching staffs are created equal.

February 17th, 2013 at 10:28 PM

#20

JTownMaize

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Tremendous tweeted that this

Tremendous tweeted that this was a greyshirt situation with a story upcoming. Looks like the tweet has been deleted and the story is up with no mention of a greyshirt (I'm not VIP though) so I would bet it is a normal scholarship.

February 17th, 2013 at 10:29 PM

#21

DGDestroys

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Highlights

February 17th, 2013 at 10:30 PM

#22

coldnjl

Joined: 12/31/2009

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context clues says he camped

context clues says he camped last summer...the coaches have seen him in person so they must love what he has....hope he comes aboard

February 17th, 2013 at 10:36 PM

#23

energyblue1

Joined: 03/19/2010

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Suprised at the offer..

Unless the staff feels he is a top second option should they not land McDowell and a few others at dt.... With Mone already committed I would be suprised if they accpet a commitment quickly before Mcdowell even visits....

No doubt though the staff knows defensive talent so we shall see how it unfolds. I don't think McDowell ends up at DE unless it's SDE......

February 17th, 2013 at 11:39 PM

(Reply to #16) #24

gutnedawg

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He would count towards 2015

February 17th, 2013 at 10:40 PM

#25

team126

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Wrestling champion? How about Gelen Robinson?

We want all Robinsons.

February 17th, 2013 at 10:57 PM

(Reply to #19) #26

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Hear, hear.

I applaud that sentiment: here's the wrap up on Gelen's undefeated season which concluded yesterday. GRII (his dad) drove up from Atlanta to see him finish what he started last year.

(The problem with wrestling is that Gelen's in the 220-lb class; he seems to project as a DE more than an LB but he's LB sized at the moment.)

But back to Brady Pallante! He's from one of the better FB programs here in SWFL--although BC is better known for sending one Heuerman to Ohio and one to ND. Brady's father, Dan, is the HC here. And we like coaches' sons, don't we? Here's the wrap on Brady's wrestling championship.

Bottom line: trust the coaches and the Heininger Certainty Principle.

February 17th, 2013 at 11:11 PM

(Reply to #24) #27

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Eh, he's really not LB sized.

Eh, he's really not LB sized. If he's wrestling at 220, he'll be 240 a month after wrestling season ends.

February 18th, 2013 at 10:14 AM

(Reply to #37) #28

robbyt003

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He'll probably be 240 a day

He'll probably be 240 a day after wrestling season is over. It's insane how much your weight can fluctuate. I'd be as low as 145 and as high as 165 in a matter of days.

February 18th, 2013 at 10:24 AM

(Reply to #37) #29

jbibiza

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Agreed - I'd really like to

Agreed - I'd really like to see us go after Gelen as a WDE.

February 18th, 2013 at 2:16 PM

(Reply to #37) #30

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Eh,

Yes, that's actually exactly the problem. The reason he hasn't been offered yet (and you'd know the minute he was because he'd have accepted) is that he's too much of a tweener--not yet tall/heavy enough for a DL, even WDE, but not really "made" to be an LB either (although Lake Central moves him all over the field). It's probably a large part of why he doesn't yet have any offers, not even MAC, as of last check-in.

Kind of surprised Magnus hasn't already chimed in with the whole size thing. It's kind of like his go-to on Gelen.

Anyway, 2-time DPOY for The Region, and gunning for three, which has not yet been done. (The Illinois winner this year from the NWI Times was Nyles Morgan, interestingly.)

February 18th, 2013 at 5:49 PM

(Reply to #148) #31

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I disagree, I don't think

I disagree, I don't think he's a tweeter. I think he's big enough for WDE and could be a SDE if he was taller (which he'll likely get if his genes are any indicator). He's already bigger than Ojemudia ever was in high school, and some scouts have even said he could be a DT in college.

I love to offer him. He's a good football player and a great overall athlete, and those guys find ways to contribute. He'll finish as a three time all-state wrestler, three time state finalist shot and discus thrower, in addition to his football accolades. He's listed at 6'2" but I bet he adds an inch or two to that and is plenty tall for the DL. I know we're in on some top DL, but he'd be a great pick up. I don't want us to regret not offering him like Purdue regrets not offering his brother.

By the way, he has an offer from Illinois already.

February 18th, 2013 at 8:56 PM

(Reply to #160) #32

DanGoBlue

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Agreed, but his current size is pretty well suited to LB

If we're talking 6-2 and 220 to 240, he's the size of Ryan or Demens. I'm not familiar enough with his game to know if he has the speed and lateral movement to play LB at Michigan, but he has the size. The issue I see is if be packs on too much more weight and does not grow and lacks or loses his quickness. I'm thinking he's enough of an athlete to give it a go though and won't balloon without stretching some too.

February 18th, 2013 at 9:23 PM

(Reply to #160) #33

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I disagree. He is a tweeter,

I disagree. He is a tweeter, and here is a link to his account.

In all (or more) seriousness, I'd love to offer him too. Funny you should point that out about Illinois; I had a momentary fear earlier that he'd end up there and we'd regret it. Then I thought, "nah. he'd go to Purdue first." Not because of his dad, but because of proximity as well as former LC teammate David Yancey there too.

He played last fall listed at 6'2", 232. That's Ojemudia-size, so WDE is not out of the question, but it's also "smaller than Demens-size", he of course being 5-6 years older.

I worry that if they really wanted him they'd have offered him already.

February 18th, 2013 at 11:52 PM

(Reply to #166) #34

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Ojemudia was 223 on the fall

Ojemudia was 223 on the fall roster as a frosh, Frank Clark was 228 and Brennan Beyer was 223 as well. They are all 6'2" to 6'3". Gelen is 6'2" 232 as a junior in high school, so if he's a tweener than all of our WDEs are. WDE prospects are often LB sized in high school, even the ones who don't spend all winter keeping their weight down for wrestling.

If Gelen is a tweener, he's a WDE/SDE tweener, in fact 247 lists him as the latter. The only gripe I have with him is his height, and if he can add an inch or two he'd be great.

February 17th, 2013 at 11:12 PM

(Reply to #24) #35

denardogasm

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Very encouraging. Florida

Very encouraging. Florida generally equals good potential for athleticism. Wrestling champion plus coach's son equals great technique and work ethic.

February 17th, 2013 at 10:41 PM

#36

BiSB

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My analysis:

Get thee to the training table, son.

February 17th, 2013 at 10:50 PM

#37

TheGhostofYost

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If this is a normal

If this is a normal scholarship offer, it's extremely puzzling given the small class size and interest from other big prospects. Something doesn't add up here.

February 17th, 2013 at 10:45 PM

#38

rpel84

Joined: 09/13/2010

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Gray shirt?

Can someone explain how the Greyshirt situation works? How can they offer someone a Greyshirt?

February 17th, 2013 at 10:56 PM

(Reply to #22) #39

spartanfan123

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A greyshirt means he won't

A greyshirt means he won't enroll until January 2015 (on scholarship). He is not allowed to be with the team or be enrolled in school for first semester, he enrolls 2nd semester. By doing this he saves a year of eligibility and he would be a true freshman in fall 2015.

February 17th, 2013 at 11:13 PM

(Reply to #27) #40

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I believe a grey shirt can

I believe a grey shirt can enroll, but he'd have to pay his own way, and he cannot participate with the team.

February 17th, 2013 at 11:29 PM

(Reply to #41) #41

I Like Burgers

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Correct

February 18th, 2013 at 10:38 AM

(Reply to #50) #42

jbibiza

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Not 100% Correct

You are allowed 5 CALENDAR years to complete 4 athletic seasons, and the calendar year begins once one is enrolled.

So by enrolling in Jan. of 2015 he counts like a '15 recruit and can play through the 2019 season (assuming he sits one season out). However, if he enrolls in the Fall of 2014, then his eleigibility clock starts from that calendar year (even if he is not on scholarship and does not practice with the team) so would end after the 2018 season.

LINK

February 17th, 2013 at 11:32 PM

(Reply to #41) #43

tenerson

Joined: 10/04/2009

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Right, and I don't believe he

Right, and I don't believe he can be full time. If you are a full time student, your clock starts. He can enroll though.

February 18th, 2013 at 10:27 AM

(Reply to #41) #44

Hail-Storm

Joined: 06/07/2010

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Technically

I grey shirted all five years at Michigan.

February 18th, 2013 at 11:41 AM

(Reply to #41) #45

StephenRKass

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What is the definition of "participate?"

What is the definition of "participate?" I'm wondering if using strength and conditioning facilities is considered participation? Is he allowed to start to learn a playbook? I could see not suiting up, and not attending practices, in the Fall of 2014, but he still would be helped a lot if he can work on strength, stamina, weight, diet, and familiarity with schemes, etc.

February 17th, 2013 at 11:07 PM

#46

detrocks

Joined: 08/18/2010

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Camped

He did camp at Michigan last summer and apparently did pretty well. Will be interesting to see how this plays out. The stories on his wrestling championship say that he's at 288 lbs, so he's got some good size for a 2014 guy.

Also, Tom VH has confirmed that its a gray shirt offer. Story is up on Wolverine Nation.

February 17th, 2013 at 10:53 PM

#47

JTownMaize

Joined: 11/08/2011

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Either way he'll have a blue

Either way he'll have a blue shirt from Ferns.

February 17th, 2013 at 11:33 PM

(Reply to #26) #48

Elmer

Joined: 04/22/2011

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So he'll be a greyshirt with

So he'll be a greyshirt with a blue shirt who will likely redshirt.

OK, I think I got it.

February 18th, 2013 at 10:40 AM

(Reply to #52) #49

Billy Ray Valentine

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You win

the internet today, good sir.

February 17th, 2013 at 10:59 PM

#50

Captain

Joined: 06/12/2009

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Guys we take this early in

Guys we take this early in the cycle tend to be the program's first choice. Yay I say; hope we get him.

February 18th, 2013 at 12:59 AM

(Reply to #28) #51

feanor

Joined: 09/27/2011

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No disrespect to Brady Pallante

Guys Michigan views as a first choice are typically offered a full scholarship without a greyshirt condition. Hopefully Michigan gets him regardless

February 18th, 2013 at 2:19 PM

(Reply to #90) #52

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um...

...does the name Jeremy Clark ring a bell?

February 17th, 2013 at 11:08 PM

(Reply to #29) #53

Bursley Blue

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Because he doesn't have a

Because he doesn't have a Rivals page?

February 17th, 2013 at 11:08 PM

(Reply to #29) #54

Joined: 11/13/2009

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Why do you say that? Conley

Why do you say that? Conley was the same way a year ago, and he ended up being a big time recruit. It's early, way too early for a guy like you to say he won't contribute.

February 17th, 2013 at 11:35 PM

(Reply to #35) #55

Elmer

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Same way as Conley? So Urban

Same way as Conley? So Urban will be offering soon?

February 18th, 2013 at 9:40 AM

(Reply to #99) #56

BiSB

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I AM trying to come off as a jerk, but do you think the coaches aren't trying to bring in the players they think can help them win? Do you think Hoke and Mattison are sitting around saying, "you know, we could probably get someone better, but recruiting is hard and is cutting into my Downton Abbey time, so f*ck it. Lets just grab someone."

February 18th, 2013 at 11:03 AM

(Reply to #108) #57

PB-J Time

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Yeah I could see this

Yeah I could see this conversation going down.

Fred Jackson: "Downton Abbey, it's like Sherlock, but more British"

February 18th, 2013 at 11:11 AM

(Reply to #99) #58

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Jerk isn't the right word, blowhard maybe.

You're coming off as someone who thinks they know a lot, when it appears you know very little about the subject at hand. I'm not advocating trusting the coaches no matter what, but you seem to very sure in your own assessment of a potential DL recruit who you know practically nothing about. So much so, that you can use it to make broad statements about the future of the program. I think we can all acknowledge the possibility you may be correct about this players' future. After all, the percentage of recruits who wash out is not insignificant, regardless of their recruiting profile. But by all means, come back in five years and remind us how much better you are at judging the potential of recruits than our staff. Expect some extra credit for the handicap of never seeing the players in person or working with them in a camp.

February 18th, 2013 at 11:58 AM

(Reply to #99) #59

StephenRKass

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Some people don't have to try to be a jerk . . .

Some people don't have to try to be a jerk . . . it just comes naturally.

As regards which players the coaches bring in, there is a lot of parity. I do believe that sometimes, coaches will see intangibles that others miss, and that it may be worth taking a shot with some high risk recruits. (not in terms of risky behavior, but risky in terms of whether or not they pan out.)

Let me share a few examples of "risky" recruits:

While it isn't a perfect analogy, I would commend to you the ESPN special on Tom Brady. With the benefit of hindsight, many teams wish they had drafted Brady. His measurables were terrible, but he just wins.
Look also at the recruiting discussions on Mike Hart before he came to Michigan. The word on the boards when he was a high school senior were that he would never amount to much, maybe a third down RB change of pace kind of guy.
Although a flawed example, consider Denard Robinson. Who, besides Michigan, offered him as a Quarterback? While he'll never play QB in the NFL, he was great for Michigan. He was someone that all the big programs just ignored in that position.

As regards Urban Meyer vs. Brady Hoke, I think it is too soon to render the judgement you've given. It will be interesting to see how Michigan performs against Ohio in 2014 & 2015. I believe that our offensive and defensive line recruiting is going to bear more fruit than you expect. I also believe that Borges will be able to do more with Gardner and then Morris, especially as we add stronger receivers. I also believe you have underestimated the coaching ability of Greg Mattison and those under him. He has done tremendous things already with meh recruits. As the quality of recruits improves, our defense is only going to get stronger. And I believe Michigan football will be very competitive with Ohio, both in recruiting and on the field.

February 18th, 2013 at 12:13 PM

(Reply to #99) #60

BigBlue02

Joined: 06/29/2009

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Well, at least you lutes

Well, at least you outed yourself as a RCMB troll. We don't "bump" threads around here. You can't bring this thread back unless you make a new one and mention it. Also, get the fuck off my board

February 17th, 2013 at 11:11 PM

(Reply to #29) #61

BiSB

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MGoPoints: 44839

I disagree with your analysis...

but you sure can put together one hell of a sentence.

February 18th, 2013 at 12:04 AM

(Reply to #38) #62

Joined: 12/09/2009

MGoPoints: 26489

That sentence is still going,

That sentence is still going, in fact. I can't wait to see how it ends.

February 17th, 2013 at 11:43 PM

(Reply to #29) #63

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/117418-college-football-recruiting-for-beginners-part-iii-oversigning-and-greyshirts

Joined: 10/07/2010

MGoPoints: 31167

You should explain

your insight into why we would be wasting a scholarship on this recruit. Those are pretty strong words, so I would hope you have something to back them up.

February 18th, 2013 at 12:14 AM

(Reply to #60) #64

Lazer with a Z

Joined: 07/13/2011

MGoPoints: 1844

Seriously. Are the mlive

Seriously. Are the mlive message boards down right now? There has been a whole lotta trollin' going on recently.

February 17th, 2013 at 11:02 PM

#65

Eastwood

Joined: 12/26/2011

MGoPoints: 563

This link does a good job of explaining what a grey-shirt is

I hate to link to bleacherreport, but for a change there is something a value.

February 17th, 2013 at 11:07 PM

(Reply to #31) #66

LSA Aught One

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I kinda hope you forget your password.

February 17th, 2013 at 11:17 PM

(Reply to #33) #67

LSA Aught One

Joined: 08/24/2011

MGoPoints: 13217

Wasn't

Wasn't a reply to you. It must have been an app troll. Sorry for the confusion.

February 18th, 2013 at 2:23 PM

(Reply to #42) #68

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well then i take back my

well then i take back my upvote.

February 17th, 2013 at 11:09 PM

#69

Jack Daniels

Joined: 05/12/2012

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So this is pretty much like a

So this is pretty much like a 2015 commit?

February 17th, 2013 at 11:17 PM

(Reply to #36) #70

m goblue

Joined: 01/24/2012

MGoPoints: 631

Assuming he greyshirts I

Assuming he greyshirts I believe that is correct.

February 17th, 2013 at 11:13 PM

#71

YoOoBoMoLloRoHo

Joined: 11/01/2012

MGoPoints: 9547

Given his video, this is

puzzling at such an early stage in the process.

Congrats to Brady if valid.

February 17th, 2013 at 11:17 PM

#72

bronxblue

Joined: 11/22/2008

MGoPoints: 59110

This is good news. Always

This is good news. Always like to see kids who can compete in other sports get a shot if they can make the cut. Not sure how the process will play out, but state champs in wrestling seem to be a good thing at UM.

February 17th, 2013 at 11:20 PM

#73

Joined: 01/25/2011

MGoPoints: -995185

so were is all the shit

so were is all the shit talking about the sec grey shirting a player?

February 17th, 2013 at 11:23 PM

(Reply to #45) #74

Joined: 11/13/2010

MGoPoints: 15138

SEC schools tell recruits

SEC schools tell recruits they have a scholarship offer, then greyshirt them once they get on campus. Greyshirting is completely valid so long as the recruit knows that he's being greyshirted.

February 17th, 2013 at 11:36 PM

(Reply to #46) #75

Joined: 01/25/2011

MGoPoints: -995185

How do you know who was told

How do you know who was told what? speculatins? What difference does it make anyways? No coach would greyshirt a player who could contribute right away.

February 17th, 2013 at 11:40 PM

(Reply to #55) #76

Joined: 11/13/2010

MGoPoints: 15138

Smh. I'll let someone from

Smh. I'll let someone from last year's Jeremy Clark post explain. Have a good day at school tomorrow!

"The best way to understand this is to realize that while he is a 2012 prospect, they are offering him a 2013 scholarship. That means he has a choice. He can wait to enroll until 2013 (January 2013 as an early enrollee for that class) and receive his scholarship without having to pay for anything out of pocket or he can enroll in the Fall of 2012 and pay his own way for the first semester (unless a scholarship opens in the fall).

Keep in mind he has 5 years to play 4 seasons, from the time he becomes a full-time student. So if he doesn't enroll in the fall, or he enrolls with less than 12 credit hours, then the eligibility clock won't start until 2013. "

February 17th, 2013 at 11:51 PM

(Reply to #58) #77

Joined: 01/25/2011

MGoPoints: -995185

When did i ask for a

When did i ask for a definition of a greyshirt? i asked 2 other questions

February 18th, 2013 at 12:24 AM

(Reply to #63) #78

Joined: 12/09/2009

MGoPoints: 26489

And outstanding questions

And outstanding questions they were. I count four, in fact.

1) so were is all the shit talking about the sec grey shirting a player?

I think this one was answered.

2) How do you know who was told what?

It is very clear from Tom VH's piece that Pallante knows the deal. He's excited about it.

3) speculatins?

SPECULATINS

4) What difference does it make anyways?

It makes a difference. If I tell you that you have a scholarship offer but I need you to start in 2015 - and you like that idea - what's wrong with that? If I tell you that you have a scholarship offer for 2014 - and then after you commit I find someone better and come back and say, "Actually, never mind..." - that's a completely different situation.

If you believe that there's something ethically wrong about this kind of gray shirt, then you'd probably have to say that it'd be better for the kid for Michigan not to offer him at all than to offer him a (de facto) place in the 2015 class. I can't imagine that Pallante would agree with that.

February 18th, 2013 at 1:31 AM

(Reply to #79) #79

Charlestown Chiefs

Joined: 12/04/2011

MGoPoints: 1100

Your response to #3 is

Your response to #3 is definitely better than anything I thought up. Succinct and to the point. Well played Sir.

February 17th, 2013 at 11:48 PM

(Reply to #55) #80

EGD

Joined: 09/16/2009

MGoPoints: 26584

Grayshirting

Here is an article describing some shady grayshirting practices by Nick Saban: http://www.foxsportssouth.com/pages/landing?blockID=663062

The players involved were promised spots in Alabama's 2012 recruiting class and had been committed for months, but just before signing day their offers were downgraded to grayshirts. This is completely different than telling a recruit up-front that he is being offered a grayshirt.

February 17th, 2013 at 11:58 PM

(Reply to #62) #81

Joined: 01/25/2011

MGoPoints: -995185

So just so i understand this

So just so i understand this correctly, they were told before nsd? Why did they go to Alabama then? If they didnt sign anything yet they could of easily choose another school on nsd

February 18th, 2013 at 12:02 AM

(Reply to #69) #82

TheGhostofYost

Joined: 04/20/2011

MGoPoints: 2971

Some of them did. What's

Some of them did. What's your point?

February 18th, 2013 at 12:31 AM

(Reply to #69) #83

Joined: 10/07/2010

MGoPoints: 31167

Sure they could have.

But with whom? They had most likely established relationships with other players in their class and the coaches, like we hear about our recruits doing. Then on short notice, they need to start over, see who has room and interest. They are forced into making a rushed decision, with a lot less information and perhaps fewer choices than they would have had before. Are you seriously equating that to offering him a greyshirt a year in advance?

February 18th, 2013 at 12:59 AM

(Reply to #69) #84

Joined: 11/13/2009

MGoPoints: 52761

Let me try explaining this

Let me try explaining this with an analogy, because I find them very helpful.

Let's say you're a senior in college, it's a handful of months before graduation and you're interviewing for jobs.

Scenario A: I offer you a job for 40k per year. This is the best offer you have, so you accept it.

Scenario B: I offer you a job for 150k per year. You have a number of other offers, but you decide that this is the best one for you, and you accept it. You tell all of the other employers that you have chosen to work for me. A week before you're scheduled to start, I tell you that we found someone for your position that we liked better, but not to worry, we have another spot available where you'll be making 40k per year. It's possible that you could call up the other employers who offered you, but it's likely they've moved on to other candidates at this point, and you're forced to either take the 40k per year job, or jump on whatever else is left that is likely worse than the options you had a handful of months ago.

Scenario A is what we've done and are doing (it seems) with Pallante. Scenario B is what the SEC has done, and this is what irks many of us. You may think both are right or both are wrong, but either way, they're not the same.

February 18th, 2013 at 9:30 AM

(Reply to #89) #85

Joined: 02/16/2009

MGoPoints: 2662

wow, this was a perfect

wow, this was a perfect example

February 18th, 2013 at 12:33 PM

(Reply to #106) #86

Joined: 07/06/2008

MGoPoints: 147117

It's really just the old

It's really just the old "Bait and Switch".

If I know that you are not going to offer me the luxury sedan in my price range up front, I can make my decision accordingly on my own timeframe. Nobody gets screwed.

But if you tell me that you are going to offer it, and then I sell my old car, get an approved loan, and take a day off work to drive out and pick it up, and then you say "just kidding", you've just knowingly screwed me.

To do this to a kid is immoral. Or rather, it is just being the SEC.

February 17th, 2013 at 11:52 PM

(Reply to #55) #87

Joined: 10/07/2010

MGoPoints: 31167

What difference does it make?

You have got to be kidding. Read up on the kid Saban offered to find a job at Home Depot.

February 18th, 2013 at 1:30 AM

(Reply to #46) #88

energyblue1

Joined: 03/19/2010

MGoPoints: 327

a grey shirt cannot enroll, workout or practice till the 2nd

A greyshirt cannot be on campus, workout or practice with the team in the summer or fall...they are not allowed to enroll till the 2nd or winter semester/quarter.....they can't participate in bowl practices either.....so no sec teams cannot do that once they have a kid on campus.

February 17th, 2013 at 11:24 PM

(Reply to #45) #89

LSA Aught One

Joined: 08/24/2011

MGoPoints: 13217

Their

Grayshirts are issued to juniors who have played, not high school kids.

February 17th, 2013 at 11:38 PM

(Reply to #47) #90

Joined: 01/25/2011

MGoPoints: -995185

Show me proof of this, not a

Show me proof of this, not a juco either

February 17th, 2013 at 11:41 PM

(Reply to #56) #91

Joined: 11/13/2010

MGoPoints: 15138

Use Google or the search

Use Google or the search engine on this site if you're that enamored by the concept.

February 17th, 2013 at 11:54 PM

(Reply to #59) #92

Joined: 01/25/2011

MGoPoints: -995185

Why would i google his claim?

February 17th, 2013 at 11:56 PM

(Reply to #66) #93

EGD

Joined: 09/16/2009

MGoPoints: 26584

Google

Maybe you could Google "anger management classes."

February 18th, 2013 at 12:01 AM

(Reply to #67) #94

Joined: 01/25/2011

MGoPoints: -995185

I am a grown man having a

I am a grown man having a discussion whos angry?

February 18th, 2013 at 12:08 AM

(Reply to #71) #95

ChopBlock

Joined: 12/11/2011

MGoPoints: 2434

Proofreaders

February 18th, 2013 at 10:16 AM

(Reply to #71) #96

Don

Joined: 06/30/2008

MGoPoints: 70311

I am a grown man

Wait—so you're Mike Gundy?

February 17th, 2013 at 11:57 PM

(Reply to #66) #97

Joined: 11/13/2010

MGoPoints: 15138

What are you talking about?

What are you talking about? Prove to me Michael Ferns was offered a full scholarship. Prove to me his Twitter account is not an elaborate hoax. That's basically what you're asking right now.

February 17th, 2013 at 11:25 PM

(Reply to #45) #98

Joined: 11/13/2009

MGoPoints: 52761

No one hates on the SEC for

No one hates on the SEC for this as long as the player knows it when he commits. It's when guys are forced into it that it's shady.

February 17th, 2013 at 11:28 PM

(Reply to #45) #99

Eastwood

Joined: 12/26/2011

MGoPoints: 563

Did you see the sizes of classes

that the majority of the SEC took. 30 player at 2 schools, 32 for another...come on.

February 17th, 2013 at 11:45 PM

(Reply to #49) #100

Joined: 01/25/2011

MGoPoints: -995185

The limits 25, Michigan took

The limits 25, Michigan took 27 word around here was 28 was the target. Those 2 schools you are referring to back dated scholarships so did Michigan, that is not breaking the rules. Maybe the BIG should allow schools to back date more then 3 scholarships just maybe it will become more competitive

February 18th, 2013 at 1:45 AM

(Reply to #61) #101

EGD

Joined: 09/16/2009

MGoPoints: 26584

Big Ten recruiting

I don't think middling Big Ten schools have been turning away 4-star recruits due to inadequate scholarship allotments, so increasing the per-year limit probably wouldn't make a difference.

February 18th, 2013 at 8:33 AM

(Reply to #61) #102

Eastwood

Joined: 12/26/2011

MGoPoints: 563

I didn't realize that it was a B1G rule...

...to only back-date up to 3 schollies per year. I thought it was an NCAA rule. Believing that, I thought it particularly odd that several SEC schools had 5 to 7 over 25.

February 18th, 2013 at 12:06 AM

(Reply to #45) #103

Clarence Beeks

Joined: 09/06/2008

MGoPoints: 11148

How about you provide us with

How about you provide us with one example of someone here actually doing that in a comparable situation?

February 17th, 2013 at 11:34 PM

#104

Perkis-Size Me

Joined: 11/30/2011

MGoPoints: 40692

if there's one thing hoke and

if there's one thing hoke and mattison know, its the d-line. hoke personally oversaw a d-line that won a national title. he knows what he's looking for. state champion wrestler shows he must have great strength, and a coach's son means he should have great technique and fundamentals. plenty of guys fly under the radar that turn out to be studs. not saying he'll be a stud, but he could. bottom line is that if he's good enough for hoke, he's good enough for us fans.

February 18th, 2013 at 12:39 PM

(Reply to #53) #105

Joined: 07/06/2008

MGoPoints: 147117

Yes, it's worth pointing out

Yes, it's worth pointing out that he is not being offered as a walk-on where he may never get a scholarship.

He is being offered a firm 2015 scholarship. He will count toward the 2015 scholarship limit. The coaches clearly want him, but they have other 2014 priorities they have to address with limited scholarships for 2014.

February 18th, 2013 at 12:01 AM

#106

MGomaha

Joined: 03/18/2012

MGoPoints: 6211

This thread shows us that

This thread shows us that while 85% of M fans are pretty knowledgeable, those other 15% are idiots.

February 18th, 2013 at 12:32 AM

(Reply to #70) #107

Joined: 12/09/2009

MGoPoints: 26489

I was about to say something

I was about to say something similar. I'm not sure that I've ever seen an MGoBlog thread so clearly distinguish the good posters on here (in my view) from the other ones.

Also, there seems to be a pretty strong positive correlation between grammatical skills and non-craziness/assholeness around here.

February 18th, 2013 at 12:45 AM

(Reply to #81) #108

clarkiefromcanada

Joined: 11/21/2008

MGoPoints: 37504

hmmmmmm.

Been a lot of MLive in these parts of late...

February 18th, 2013 at 12:55 AM

(Reply to #85) #109

Lutha

Joined: 09/21/2009

MGoPoints: 7247

Mr. Cook

Plz bring back Negbangs.

February 18th, 2013 at 12:04 PM

(Reply to #70) #110

Don

Joined: 06/30/2008

MGoPoints: 70311

It's the 15% rule

I don't care where you are on the planet, a solid 15% of people everywhere are assholes. It's unfortunate that it also applies to UM fans, but the evidence is irrefutable.

February 18th, 2013 at 12:41 PM

(Reply to #128) #111

Joined: 07/06/2008

MGoPoints: 147117

When I'm in Columbus, it

When I'm in Columbus, it seems to become the 80% rule.

February 18th, 2013 at 12:41 PM

(Reply to #128) #112

Joined: 07/06/2008

MGoPoints: 147117

When I'm in Columbus, it

When I'm in Columbus, it seems to become the 80% rule.

February 18th, 2013 at 2:30 PM

(Reply to #137) #113

Joined: 01/18/2012

MGoPoints: 2675

so true, he had to post it

so true, he had to post it twice.

February 18th, 2013 at 12:05 AM

#114

TTT

Joined: 05/31/2011

MGoPoints: 609

Edit: I suck at the internet.

Edit: I suck at the internet. Nevermind.

February 18th, 2013 at 12:16 AM

#115

Raoul

Joined: 09/29/2009

MGoPoints: 13957

Not sure if a reliable

Not sure if a reliable source, but Joshua Henschke of the Big House Report has a post up—Quick Hits with Brady Pallante—based on an interview with Pallante. It indicates a commitment isn't imminent.

February 18th, 2013 at 12:41 AM

(Reply to #78) #116

Joined: 12/09/2009

MGoPoints: 26489

Thanks for posting

Thanks for posting this.

Honestly, if I were advising the kid I would strongly encourage him to commit. It would secure a place at a great school, get him a ton of exposure for possible full scholarship offers, and put him in a place where no one would fault him if he decided to go elsewhere for a traditional scholarship (especially since there's so much time until Signing Day 2015).

February 18th, 2013 at 9:36 AM

(Reply to #84) #117

Joined: 02/16/2009

MGoPoints: 2662

forgive me if I'm wrong, but

forgive me if I'm wrong, but assuming a greyshirt, couldn't he commit on signing day and still be assured a spot since it's for the 2015 class? If i were him I would wait until then to see if I got a 2014 full ride from somebody or a school that I liked better offered me a greyshirt (yes, impossible to like any school more than U of M)

February 18th, 2013 at 1:37 PM

(Reply to #107) #118

Joined: 10/07/2010

MGoPoints: 31167

I don't think so.

If he wants to wait, then he is running the risk of the coaches offering that spot to someone else. Although his signing day is further off, that doesn't mean the coaches are going to wait almost a year to decide whether to recruit somebody else for that spot. They are bringing 2015 kids in for visits and have sent out a handful of offers already.

February 18th, 2013 at 12:27 AM

#119

Space Coyote

Joined: 06/18/2009

MGoPoints: 35079

Sign me up as a fan of this kid

I don't think he is going to be a 5 star recruit, because his ceiling is somewhat limited by his athletic ability, but he has a very high floor. The kid consistently maintains low leverage, shoots off the ball pretty well, has a strong base, and uses his hands well. He has the technique already that is often the most difficult to teach many of the guys in the trenches. Now he isn't going to be chasing down WRs sideline to sideline, but if he has always dreamed of playing for Michigan, he camped at Michigan, and decides to commit, I would be happy with the pick up. Would be solid as a penetrating 3-tech or be able to hold his own at the nose. He won't be a star of a class, but would be a great foundation to build around because you would know what you have in him.

February 18th, 2013 at 12:08 PM

(Reply to #80) #120

Don

Joined: 06/30/2008

MGoPoints: 70311

People also need to keep in mind that it's important

to have guys who are willing to be primarily practice players content to bust their asses during the week without many opportunities to see the field on Saturdays.

February 18th, 2013 at 3:46 PM

(Reply to #129) #121

M-Wolverine

Joined: 10/04/2009

MGoPoints: 42199

You don't recruit that way though.

You don't say, "well, we need some hard working won't complain practice guys in this class." You hope they fill out that way, but ideally it's young guys waiting for their chance. You may take guys who are specialists...long snappers, return guys, etc. Guys you know won't be NFL left tackles or 2000 yard rushers, but can help your team. But not guys just to fill out a roster and add spirit.

If they offered a spot to this kid, I believe they think he can play.

February 18th, 2013 at 12:14 PM

(Reply to #80) #122

StephenRKass

Joined: 07/15/2008

MGoPoints: 17271

Agreed

I agree that someone who does things the right way every time is a player worth having. One thing people seem to consistently forget is that Mattison likes to shuttle guys in and out both on the line and in the LB corps, to keep them fresh. If Pallante can come in on 2nd or 3rd down for a play to give the starting DT the chance to catch his breath, that seems a worthwhile goal, and a reasonable scholarship to offer.

February 18th, 2013 at 12:59 PM

(Reply to #132) #123

Joined: 07/06/2008

MGoPoints: 147117

^^^This.Unless you are

^^^This.

Unless you are Alabama or oversign like carzy (redundant, I know), you are not going to get all 4*/5*'s for the number of guys that Mattison wants to play on D.

You need some "active bench" players. These are not just guys that come in when somebody gets hurt, they are regular players that are part of the normal rotation but not necessary the first-choice guys you put in on money downs when the game is on the line.

They are your third or fourth line in Hockey. You need those kind of guys in Mattison's system.

February 18th, 2013 at 12:35 AM

#124

Broken Brilliance

Joined: 09/07/2010

MGoPoints: 4057

keep the stars

All I care about is toughness and physicalness.

February 18th, 2013 at 12:52 AM

(Reply to #83) #125

Elmer

Joined: 04/22/2011

MGoPoints: 5141

Sounds like Hoke if you just

Sounds like Hoke if you just add the part about "hearing football."

"I can hear football being played when Brady Pallante puts on the pads."

February 18th, 2013 at 1:02 AM

(Reply to #83) #126

GoBluePhil

Joined: 09/15/2011

MGoPoints: 1354

physicality. To use the new word on the block.

February 18th, 2013 at 2:26 AM

(Reply to #91) #127

DH16

Joined: 11/19/2012

MGoPoints: 586

MANBALLNESS. To use the newer word on the block.

February 18th, 2013 at 12:54 AM

#128

Half Blood Dutc...

Joined: 12/03/2011

MGoPoints: 1743

I always say it!

The coaches could recruit all unranked guys, but they would still know what they are doing and it'd still be a great team.

Some on this thread clearly only care about stars and rankings.

February 18th, 2013 at 6:54 AM

(Reply to #87) #129

dothepose

Joined: 12/30/2008

MGoPoints: 7480

I love Hoke as much as the

I love Hoke as much as the next guy but what has he done in two years to make you think he can develop zero stars into talent?

February 18th, 2013 at 9:23 AM

(Reply to #100) #130

denardogasm

Joined: 09/11/2011

MGoPoints: 7964

Well he did develop guys with

Well he did develop guys with zero star coaching into talent.

February 18th, 2013 at 11:51 AM

(Reply to #100) #131

EGD

Joined: 09/16/2009

MGoPoints: 26584

Hoke

I highly doubt Pallatine is going to wind up as a zero star recruit. There are lots of players who Scout and Rivals don't get around to rating until pretty late in the cycle.

That said, Hoke's defensive staff has gotten production out of walk-ons (Heininger, Brink, arguably Kovacs depending on how you define him and how much credit you give to Rich Rod's staff), a guy recruited to play offensive line (QWash), and several players who came in with underwhelming recruiting profiles (Desmond Morgan, Raymon Taylor, Keith Heitzman).

February 18th, 2013 at 1:53 PM

(Reply to #100) #132

Joined: 10/07/2010

MGoPoints: 31167

LOL

LOL at the idea that Hoke has only been coaching for two years.

February 18th, 2013 at 8:47 AM

(Reply to #94) #133

Fitz

Joined: 11/13/2010

MGoPoints: 599

It's probably a similar

It's probably a similar situation to the safety in the 2012 class. If they miss on a lot of other d line guys or have extra space it may become a normal offer

February 18th, 2013 at 8:56 PM

(Reply to #94) #134

Mike420GoBlue

Joined: 09/02/2012

MGoPoints: 4412

We can has all of the Brady's

February 18th, 2013 at 2:53 AM

#135

Decatur Jack

Joined: 09/20/2011

MGoPoints: 7491

WOOOO

WOOOO GREYSHIRT

February 18th, 2013 at 12:26 PM

(Reply to #97) #136

Decatur Jack

Joined: 09/20/2011

MGoPoints: 7491

lol "offtopic"

Yes, in a thread about greyshirting, a "WOO GREYSHIRT" comment is off-topic.

I guess there aren't a lot of fans of Beyonce on this board.

February 18th, 2013 at 10:40 AM

(Reply to #102) #137

Bombadil

Joined: 01/22/2011

MGoPoints: 7623

Can someone please call the wambulance?

February 18th, 2013 at 11:57 AM

(Reply to #102) #138

Needs

Joined: 08/05/2008

MGoPoints: 7194

Away

(yep, seems to work just fine).

February 18th, 2013 at 3:43 PM

(Reply to #102) #139

M-Wolverine

Joined: 10/04/2009

MGoPoints: 42199

So stupid

It had to be said twice.

February 18th, 2013 at 9:02 PM

(Reply to #102) #140

Mitch Cumstein

Joined: 10/02/2009

MGoPoints: 12905

you

suck

(testing response potential of new MGoBlog app)

February 18th, 2013 at 9:44 AM

#141