I believe you meant to say Soufleet
"It's not about last year or who's here or who's isn't here," says your head coach. "It's about getting out here and competing and seeing who is here, and that's where we're gonna go."
I believe you meant to say Soufleet
Any indication regarding his interest level or if he is going to or has visited unofficially before?
AFAIK, Hill has not visited Michigan at any point, at least not in the last year.
EDIT: I take the above statement back - Hill visited back in March.
Do you guys think this is a move that means the coaches aren't confident in landing McQuay? Or is there possible attrition from this class or someone on the current roster?
That Hoke is putting out offers for Cass Tech kids (good players too) with not a whole lot of hope of actually getting them, but more to keep the pipeline. There have been a lot of interesting offers to local kids lately and not really a ton of push to actually get them. It seems that they may be doing this to stay in the good graces of many coaches and schools.
Again, not saying these aren't good prospects, just seems they've been doing it a lot in the past month or so.
"There have been a lot of interesting offers to local kids lately and not really a ton of push to actually get them."
How do you know this? A statement (or really an accusation) like this means you have insider information that allows you to compare the recruiting efforts of this staff among different recruits. Is that the case, or are you just making shit up?
It's not an accusation. Sending out offers to keep a pipeline open, if that is what Hoke is doing, isn't wrong.
I was making an observation on how it appears to me. I didn't say that they were doing that and I know it, I said it seems like that. The fact that they have been offering a lot of local kids may be because they think they have a better shot at landing them this late in the process, or it could be to stay in the good graces of the coaches and schools. To me it seems more like the latter rather than the former, but I could be wrong.
So, no, I'm not just making shit up. You need to read the context of my post before getting pissy about something that was in no way disrespectful (or as you call it, "an accusation", as if the coaches were doing what I have the feeling they are doing is bad to begin with).
Haha, Wow. No. You speculated as to why they were handing out a lot of offers ("it seems like"), but you did not spectulate that they were not putting any "push" behind them. You stated the latter as fact. You may want to read your own post for crying out loud. There's one basic thing you are not allowing for - time. If the coaches just put out these offers, it might take time for them to put some "push" behind them. Let it play out a bit before you accuse them of just throwing out offers and not really trying to recruit those who were offered.
Dont accuse me of being pissy by mischaracterizing what you wrote. Re-read your own post first.
Is it me or does it seem like the coaching staff are scrambling a little bit by now offering people that they could have and didn't offer earlier in the process?
I don't think it's "scrambling" as much as trying to tie up loose ends. This is sort of what happens at the end of a recruiting process to fill in spots. Things start to align, the roster starts to sort itself out through injuries and attrition, kids narrow their lists, and new offers go out.
This is how we got Bellomy, Poole, Norfleet, etc.
I don't think so.
It's not really scrambling when you've had 20+ commits since the Summer. I think it's in part to keep the pipelines a flowin', and in part to say we took a swing at the players the coaches wanted
I saw that Texas A&M (I believe) have 34 commits. How is this legal?
There are limits on how many they can sign though. I believe the NCAA allows 28 + up to 3 EE depending on the size of their previous class..
I don't think that's true. From what I understand, the NCAA has no rule on class size, they just need to be at 85 by the time fall camp starts.
Houston Nutt like oversigning. http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/Test/Issues/Recruiting/Football+Recruiting The limit on the ultimate class size by has been in place for awhile.
recruit, I'd be looking for an escape route just in case
Not scrambling. The offers that go out earlier are for guys the coaches know they want, no matter what. But as time goes, the coaches see who commits, who leaves the team, which players on the team look good (and which ones don't), and how many spots they have.
Recruiting is fluid, remember that. Maybe the coaches feel Hill had a good senior season, or maybe they feel like they need safeties more now than they did in July.
Noo, they are doing it because Delano Hill,, is actually a good athlete.
4 star to Rivals & Scout, 3 star to ESPN, regarded as top-25 safety by all three. Not sure if that qualifies as "under the radar."
Probably nitpicking here but I would grant he may be "overshadowed" by some of his teammates but I don't think he is a diamond in the rough (under the radar) sort of find by the coaches.
"You don't hear about him when anybody mentions this years Cass Tech team."
Speak for yourself.
Magnus-- What are your thoughts on Hill?
I haven't seen much of him this year, but I wasn't all that impressed with his junior film. He has pretty good speed, but he's not a great tackler and isn't very physical. He played mostly in the box for Cass Tech, so I imagine he'd be a strong safety (not big enough to be a LB). It would be nice if he were a better tackler. Maybe he's put on some weight, added some strength, and improved that aspect of his game, though.
He's a good athlete, but he needs to be coached up.
I remember hearing similar things about Thomas gordons height speed weight coverage and tackling ability...
That's pretty standard for a Cass Tech kid though - they often need more technique work, but are great athletes. Hell, Thomas Gordon didn't even play defense until his senior year in high school, and he's our starting safety. As Ken said below, he had one of the best 40 times at the Opening, despite being 200lb already, and if he was at The Opening, he must do the camp stuff very well.
It would be nice to see his senior film.
Who doesn't hear about him? Because I certainly did. He was an early commit to a Big Ten school, and got good press at camps. Not under the radar at all. Didn't he get invited to The Opening?
He was one of the faster recruits at The Opening. It was reported that he ran a 4.4 40. I'm not sure how many fakes we should give it.
I'm not sure if you can call him under the radar. He has been committed to a big10 school since april, plays for a prominent, familiar, and good high school team, and is a 4* to 247, scout, and rivals. I'm not sure what about that leads you to under the radar. It just seems like he is the replacement offer to McQuay, who the coaches feel is unlikely to end up here. I don't mean that in a bad way, I think he would be a good addition to the class, just that McQuay is an elite prospect.
I figured this would happen but as a last minute signing day deal.
Be a part of the pipeline Delano.
This is an interesting offer. A 4 star from a pipe line school. I'm unsure if Hill is as interested in Michigan as many of the other Technicians, as I haven't really heard much from him. Will be interesting if he decided to take a visit here, or if he decides to stick with his Iowa commitment. I must say, recruiting is picking up a bit recently!
Are we going to have an all Cass Tech secondary at some point if we can turn Hill?
I was in faver of offering Hill along time ago.I think it is important to go after in state talent and keeping a pipeline flowing. Also he is a 4 star across the board!Not a bad consolation prize if Mcquay goes elsewhere.
With or without Hill the pipeline is flowing.
Offering/not offerring Hill would have no impact whatsoever on that pipeline.
You have no idea how this offer would affect future recruiting at Cass Tech. If you think kids, parents, coaches and family members don’t take these things personally you are mistaken. When a kid gets an offer from a school it makes the kid and the coach feel validated. The opposite of that is feeling slighted. If a player/coach feels slighted by a team they may act and talk negatively about that team. Now if they have been given reason to like a school they may keep it positive. Many People around the Cass Tech program are connected. It’s a fairly reasonable assumption that this could affect a future situation.Are 17 and 18 year old kids easily swayed?
The staff is handing out offers at a surprising clip to land 3-4 kids. Does anyone have insight to the 1st, 2nd , etc order for each spot or round?
Here is my guess:
Optimal: Green, treadwell, Dawson
Second Best: McQuay, Reschke, Hunt
Third Best: Dixon, Hill, Lacy
The list would help us allocate points to the final recruits to assess the closing prowess of the staff. We have fallen in the rankings as other programs reach 20+ kids and we missed on several priority recruits at the end last year.
What would the points be based on? Your round thing assumes that the person allocating points actually knows the coaches plans.
First rounders get 5 pts, 2 rounders 4, etc. We could use their Rivals rating but there is minimal point value differential with 5.5-6.0 clustering.
Last year we missed on Garnett, Diamond, Dunne and Kozan in the last 2 months and finished with Johnson, Darboh, Chessun, Henry and Norfleet. Those 5 contributed marginally this year and the WRs might play some next year (although Treadwell is probably more advanced than either of them).
This year already has our losing Conley with 8 wks left and we now have an offering bonanza to grab Illinois, MSU, Cal, and Iowa commits. It's crazy to think we could lose our top 3 to Vandy, Ole Miss, and Tennessee. Raiding the 2nd tier because we lose recruits to the 2nd tier.
We're supposed to be Michigan, fergodsakes.
This whole platform of yours only focuses on the guys late in the process. Most teams lose out on those guys, because they have a list of 5 or so top teams, and pick one. And it totally negates all of the great pick ups we made early in the season. Hoke has been very good at getting top talent to commit early, and by identifying talent before anyone else does. But one of the downfalls of getting lots of commits early is that you get fewer at the end.
How about we just look at how good our class is at the end and not worry about whether they committed in December or February?
Gotta add mcquay to the 'optimal' group
Hill is almost up to 200 pounds and stands about 6'2. Good size. Legit speed for someone his size too. He was a BEAST at The Opening, which had all the top prospects in attendance. Ball-hawk type, and has very good fundamentals IRT tackling, wrapping up, etc. Very good at coming down hill(no pun). He has gotten and is more physical than a year ago.
What about playing with his brother Khalid? This has to be a big pull for him since they are close right.
The Hill brothers you're talking about (Khalid and Khalil) play for East English Village.
Delano Hill is not related, as far as I know.
One thing that is never mentioned when some recruits hold out or wait to decide when it comes to Michigan is that I believe some may fear the higher academic challenge that Michigan provides. Some of these athletes may be a little apprehensive for this reason and that's nothing against them but they are not going to say that as a reason.
Over the last two cycles, Iowa has landed 2 players that had Michigan offers: Greg Garmon (may AIRBHG grant him peace) and Jaleel Johnson. Michigan has landed 18 commits with Iowa offers.
All things being equal, I like our chances.