I hope RR didn't shred all the documents telling you how to make snake oil when he left town. I kid because I care.
to play football, not to play trumpet
I hope RR didn't shred all the documents telling you how to make snake oil when he left town. I kid because I care.
I don't mean to bash on RR but i miss recruiting kids like this. I hope he has a little love for the winged helmets.
I'm still holding out hope that Denard and Devin are so great the next three/four years that they convince Hoke to totally abandon Pro-Style QBs. Nothing against this current target of course, I just love me some athletes at QB.
Agreed, I love this kind of kid big and strong and can take punishment. How can he resist the flying wing , especially if Hoke and crew can up their recruiting game next year and get it done on the field.
Dang tough company on the offer sheet. Hope Hoke and Co. can do work some magic here.
Seems like a stud and really solid QB. He has a ton of offers too.
The way he carries the ball makes me cringe and go into a 2009 Tate Forcier flashback. Bring him on the though Hokeus Pokeus
Check out his rushing yards. Doesn't look like he's the typical drop back statue.
I noticed that too. It would be great to get him to Michigan, RS a year and then have him at QB for a few years.
kid has offers from every place in the country. i'd love to see michigan win some real recruiting battles again.
Good to see Michigan going after elite prospects earlier than with the previous staff. I wouldn't get your hopes up about Pike at this point though, he's considered the favorite to end up the #1 QB in the 2012 class and this will probably be a long recruiting process.
He's been to Ann Arbor before..
great video thanks im thrilled that hes been to AA before and he looks awesome in that video. how do I give you points for this?
It looks like you are unable to right now. Like mentioned below, this is something that Brian likely took out for now.
Thanks for the embed. Is it just me or is it kinda odd that he picks up his back (right) leg so much when he throws?
No its not jut you. thats the major knock against him from what Ive heard about the kid. but the good news is he has apparently worked on his footwork this year and it is improving. Plus as long as he can throw the ball that accurate it isnt too big of a deal the major concern would be it being the reason for him getting injured if he gets hit from behind or his blind side when releasing the ball.
I'll second this. If you read interviews with him he always talks about how he is working hard at making sure his footwork is better.
It's not a huge deal -since in the throwing motion his weight is being transferred to his front (left) foot it shouldn't effect his throwing that much. Ideally you'd want it to toe-down drag on that back foot for ideal balance.
That's what I thought. I appreciate you and the person above me for telling me about him wanting to work on it. I didn't know much about him and no it's not a big deal but something that I think should be corrected.
It actually kinda reminds me of tim tebow (i would hope he's even half as dominate as he was)
p.s.- that being said, i still can't stand tebow
He loses all of the powers when he picked up his drive foot up too early thus rendering him as an all arm thrower which is not what you want as a coach. Obviously, you want him to plant and drive as he throw the ball.
I also noticed that he has a tendency to hold the ball at chest level which is more suspectable to fumbles and has a tends to result in a low release alas John Navarre. His delivery is a bit enlonged but not as exaggerated as Tim Tebow or Colin Kaepernick. It needs to be compact and quick IMO. He can get by in college level. He has a 3/4 release which is fine with me as long as he get the ball out quick but it's coming out of his hands quick enough.
First thing I noticed. I immediately looked at videos of the current greats (Manning, Brady, Brees) to compare throwing motion and this is what I can take from it: Pike has blue-chip arm-strength and sub-par footwork. If he had to start tomorrow, that combo infers an interception/sack prone drop-back QB at the next level.
Why interception prone: he's not generating power correctly in his hips and shoulders. Proper footwork transfers power from the back to front foot, and the hips should torque not unlike a batter hitting a fastball. The nonthrowing arm should sweep with the elbow shooting down into the body with palm facing forward, squaring the shoulders towards the target receiver. This move, combined with a throwing motion that has the ball launched at the QB's scalp level (bicep parallel to ground, forearm perpendicular to bicep) provides three things (1) accuracy, (2) velocity and (3) best chance of not having the pass deflected at the line.
Why sack/fumble prone: he's not on his toes enough and constantly moving his feet. Here's a link to Manning drilling footwork. Compare to Pike.Good footwork puts the QB in a defensive position to deal with (1) a pass rush, (2) max accuracy/velocity/height on throws at all times. That right leg kick tells me he's slow with his footwork and slow through his mechanics. He gets hit during or before a throw, the ball is probably either getting deflected or fumbled at the next level.
has picture perfect delivery. He maximized his power and accuracy with great footwork and mechanics. He drops back quickly so he has an extra split second to survey the field. He keeps the ball close to head level which is what you want if you want a high release point. Peyton doesn't load too long and his delivery is very compact and fast.
His plant(front) leg aren't stiff and lands softly on the ball of his foot while his drive(back) legs drives it for him. Most of your power comes from your lower body. If your footwork is correct, your hips should follow to create torque. More torque you create, the more power you generate. If you do it correctly, your arm should be along for a ride then do the last second whip to create more velocity.
His delivery is almost picture perfect and it is nearly upright with high release point. Peyton is 6'6" and his release point will be about a few inches higher making it nearly impossible to bat the ball down.
I've heard some people criticized Peyton for having a"happy" feet but I think that it's a result of Peyton's comfort zone. Peyton moves his feet constantly to develop rhythm and to help evade pass rushers. I don't have a problem with it but ideally, I don't want a QB to move his feet too much because he won't set his feet properly to throw the ball.
Saw that too. His footwork on the dropback looks pretty great in terms of his athleticism/fluidity, but the follow-through on his throwing motion is a bit off.
Also, killer hi-top at 1:55. Epic.
He sure does like throwing to his left. Looks Outstanding though.
Does anyone know who the kid is catching like all of his passes? He looks like he might have some good hands. We sure need a receiver like that, ya know one who can catch the damn ball!
I would like to point out that Zeke Pike is an awesome name
Zebulon Pike. Then after a big win all of the "Pike's Peak" puns would *really* work.
The real question is whether he's had bang_coeds.exe uploaded yet, a la Henne.
Give me a robot QB any day. Does he seriously have 18 passing TDs and no ints? I don't know whether that - means 0 or unknown.
Thank god he didn't walk here. We would be a few days behind!
first off i like the fact that hoke is already making plays for big time players while still finishing strong for the current year.
secondly this kid seems like a good fit for the future of the qb position here. i like it, and i like the forward thinking byt the coaching staff
----as a side note or question, is anyone else not seeing how to vote up or down other comments anymore?
I'm sure that's part of the functionality that was yanked while the malware issues were sorted out. Per Brian, that stuff will be phased back in gradually with lots of testing so it doesn't pop up again.
kid sounds like a good mix between gardner and mallett. I agree with ish it would be really nice to see us go up against all the big schools and get a huge recruit. Its something that given the time frame we werent able to see Hokes staff do this year but next year should be interesting. Im optimistic that we can bring in a top 5 class in 2012
Top 5 would be awesome, but I see top 10 being more likely. Either way, I see a big recruiting year next year for Michigan. As mentioned by TomVH on his Twitter, the Midwest is loaded with talent next year and if we can pick up guys like Wormley, RSJ, and company, we will be in good position for years to come.
Yes I completely agree top 10 is much more likely and probly more realistic for a first year coach but I said im going to be optimistic. From everything I have seen and heard from recruits and the experts (including Tom) I feel like we should set the bar high and aim for top 5...keeping in mind that if we sign a few less guys than the SEC teams due to scholarship restrictions and possibly technically fall out of the top 5 for points I would consider that a top 5 class. Im excited to see what happens with this kid because if we could even make his February list of schools he is definitely interested in it would keep this buzz going and would definitely help us in recruiting the above mentioned Wormely, RSJ, and then the Cass Tech company.
I am with you. If we make his top 10-15 next month, I think we would have a realistic shot. Hoke just needs to go in there and tell him where Tom Brady played QB in college. It doesn't hurt that Hoke is the one that recruited him either of course.
the big ten will be shaking in their boots if we can recruit guys like him again.
This is a big kid with some moderate mobility, reminds me of Big Ben. The back leg lift is a little odd but that might just be how he maintains balance through his throws. Could be a mechanism his body uses to determine touch on a ball...?
Pike reminds me of Phillip Rivers.
Kid is huuuuuuge.
If he's smart, then he will come to one of the best QB schools in the nation. Well we used to, before all this spread stuff. Plus he looks like he should wear a winged helmet too!
Remember that time when our QB shredded NCAA and school records on a weekly basis?
Yea. I hate being stuck with Denard Robinson at quarterback. Dude sucks; can't throw at all, isn't fast and we also definitely do not have a 5* highly recruited backup either.
Yeah, I mean who's this Gardner kid? I heard one of the recruiting services compare him to some Vince Young guy...is he any good???
Only if he were to go somewhere other than Michigan...
Vince who? No, he's probably not any good. Maybe if he had a good Rose Bowl game or something people would hear of him.
I just can't wait to get some good quarterbacks. This Denard kid isn't cutting it. I mean, THIS IS MICHIGAN.
Vince Young is very good. He's so elusive he literally goes missing for days on end! Hey-o!!!
Really? Maybe Mr. Denard Robinson would like to remind you of his record setting season he just had, as a first year starter as a sophomore.
Something tells me that whether we have a shot with him depends on how well Denard does in our offense this year. If Denard puts up monster numbers again, then we can legitimately claim that we would be able to fully utilize his running and passing abilities, which some other schools might not be able to say.
to catch a ball with no helmet or shoulder pads on, especially considering it's indoors...
Was being recruited by old regime as well. Brother of former Cincy QB Tony Pike if I'm not mistaken. Huge kid with some wheels. Also a ridiculous offer sheet. Not sure if we can pull him but he'd be the elite QB we're looking for in the class.
It probably shouldn't, but that just got me a lot more behind getting this kid to Michigan. Obviously he's an incredible HS quarterback, but his brother could ball.
Damn good football player and hopefully his brother picked up a thing or two. Would love to see this kid in some wings.
That makes me nervous. If he is Tony Pike's brother, I'm sure ND will get a real good shot at him. Tony fit really well in Brian Kelly's offense, and I'm sure that won't be lost on Zeke. I know its a long ways out, but if he isn't playing for us, I'd hate to see him playing for a rival.
As much as I respect Tony Pike (I was in the Pitt student section watching him play catch with Marty Gilyard to take the Big East championship and the BCS berth) his brother seems like a lot more of an NFL quarterback than he did.
Tony was good, even great in Kelly's offense, but this kid seems like he's going to be more versatile.
Tony may also tell Zeke the way in which Brian Kelly left Cincinatti. When Kelly left, quite a few players were very upset with both his actions during that time period and the way in which he told the players.
Notre Dame is already in a very good position with 2 2012 QBs by the name of Gunner Kiel and Matay Mauk. Kiel will probably end up a borderline 5*, Mauk (yes, he is related to that Mauk), has received a lot of early interest as well.
But like I said below, Tony's not related to this Pike.
more like 5, they're all waiting to see who Kelly wants: Gunner Kiel, Maty Mauk, Zeke Pike, Benny Coney, Robert Gregory. Should only be looking to take 1 though unless someone transfers
He's not related to Tony
"Statues" really don't exist anymore. The other top pocket-passers who we'll likely be after in 2012 (Connor Brewer, Mike Baker, Brian Blackburn) can all run. Every quarterback works on his forty time now and they're almost all good athletes.
As for Pike, he'd be a long shot. I'm sure the staff is offering him now because they know that. Who knows with the way they can recruit, though.
Well we know they can pick off high level 3/4*'s with little time (which is no small accomplishment, I'm not trying to say that it is).
We'll see in the coming year if they can go after probably the most recruited kids in the country and close. That's a whole different game from what they're doing now.
You are only looking at a couple examples. The world is still full of statues and plenty of them still want to be quarterbacks.
Like that Liberty guy from New York. Great arm strength and leadership capabilities. Little on the chunky side though with no mobility whatsoever.
None of the top pocket-passers coming out of high school are, though. It's a huge part of how they're valued now, even if they're going to play in a pro-style offense. One of the reasons the top guys end up being considered the top guys is because they can scramble.
Regardless of what Scout says, I am not at all enamored by Brian Blackburn. Baker's a lock to stay in the southwest, and we're not going to get Connor Brewer. Baker and Brewer would both be very good gets, however.
Andrew Luck 2.0!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I dont know, he cheats on tests!
Wow...these are the players I'm use to getting at Michigan. Looks like we will be back to greatness real soon. Go Blue!