Swayze Howell Sheen

October 17th, 2017 at 8:41 PM ^

i am so goddamned tired of OSU, esp. with this year's game increasingly looking like yet another loss. 

WHEN THE F*** WILL WE BEAT THOSE MOTHERF***ERS?

It's been way too lopsided for way too long.

 

evenyoubrutus

October 17th, 2017 at 9:41 PM ^

Eh, maybe. Let's not act like OSU is invincible. They seem to really struggle when they go up against decent defenses. Last year they were the same way. They blew out some crappy teams and looked mediocre against the good ones. Almost reminds me of Rodriguez's offenses. The difference of course is that they play very good defense.

I know on the podcast Brian and Ace made it sound like their offense was starting to come alive but they really haven't done anything that they didn't do last year, and last year our defense practically shut out their offense.

buckeyejonross

October 18th, 2017 at 3:06 AM ^

I mean you're the one who says OSU's (passing) offense is the same as last year. 

For all of 2016 OSU had 26 receiving TDs, this year they already have 24. Right now OSU already has 3 WRs with 20+ catches, last year they only had 2 WRs with 20+ catches for the whole season. 

The routes and passing concepts are different. The play calling is different. The constraints are different. The WRs are different. JT is completing 67% of his passes at 9 ypa, which is 2 ypa and 6% better than last year. The measurable improvements during the last month are clear. They're no longer a bunch of new guys learning a new offense. If you care enough to look, Kyle Jones at 11W and Kyle Morgan at Ozone (and Ross Fulton behind a Rivals paywall) have broken down several ways in which OSU's offense is different and better than last year. 

I'm sure you'd like to continue to close your eyes and pretend JT can't throw, and as a Michigan fan I know you've watched enough horrible QBing the last few years to become intimately familiar with the concept, but I think you're mistaken about OSU's current offense. 

Perkis-Size Me

October 17th, 2017 at 10:10 PM ^

MSU beat the best OSU team ever assembled, on the road, with a backup QB.



We don’t need an Andrew Luck type to beat them. Just a great defense (which we have) and a QB who snakes smart decisions and doesn’t turn the ball over. Sadly, we have the opposite of that.

Squash34

October 17th, 2017 at 11:09 PM ^

The weather helped MSU too. But he did pass down field a few times that game but not much considering the wrs were wide open. Not sure they ever complete them with the wind and snow. However,it was better than running the qb every play when they were selling out to stop it every play.
And it would not be good for them to try and pass to bet OSU. The secondary is to good and the pass rush to strong for barrett to beat them with the pass.

lilpenny1316

October 17th, 2017 at 8:48 PM ^

At the same point in his Ohio State tenure, Urban Meyer had two quarterback signees of his own setting records and leading the Buckeyes to a national title. Sure, it took an injury to Braxton Miller to make it happen, but it still happened. Michigan has lost Wilton Speight and how are they responding?


Where is Jim Harbaugh’s signature quarterback?


Until we know the answer to this question, Michigan football will have more weeks like the last two.

chunkums

October 17th, 2017 at 9:20 PM ^

It's worth remembering that because Urban was "retired," they were able to hire him early and he was able to commit 100% to recruiting. On the other hand, Harbaugh got hired at the last minute and had to scramble to put together a class. It's also worth remembering that those quarterbacks were throwing to an outstanding veteran WR corps and were protected by an elite offensive line that was largely recruited by the previous (outstanding) staff. Tressel didn't get fired because he was winning 10-12 games/year.

Bluetotheday

October 17th, 2017 at 10:55 PM ^

Further more, Meyer had a heisman worthy qb under center in year one with Miller. Circumstances like this, I would imagine, have a high correlation of success year 1, which propels your program in recruiting and on field results, very similar to Malcolm Gladwell’s tipping point were he noticed 80% of Canada’s olpymic debelopment hockey program were born within 90days of the cutoff date for age... Great read by the way, especially for business. Puts shit in perspective regarding outcomes

lilpenny1316

October 17th, 2017 at 11:43 PM ^

Braxton was never going to beat you running a pro style offense.  Meyer's power spread offense was perfect for Braxton, JT and Cardale.  It makes for non-NFL ready QBs, but it will shred 90% of college defenses.

If Meyer came in trying to run the type of offense Harbaugh is running, he would've suffered on that side of the ball.  His offense was perfect for the established starter they had.

 

Wolverine In Iowa 68

October 18th, 2017 at 10:25 AM ^

that Urban also walked into a talent-rich team that was recruited (read: bought and paid for) by the Vest, he didn't have the mess that Hoke left behind to contend with.  Fickel wasn't a good head coach in his interim year, but there was no drop-off in recruiting like we had waiting for Harbaugh to get out of his NFL contract and scrambling to fill in a class on short notice.

Bit of a difference in circumstance there.

Maizeblue11

October 17th, 2017 at 9:55 PM ^

I will start bawling when we beat ohio. I shed a few tears in 2011, but when Harbaugh gets his first win over them I will be broken to tears in happiness. That day will be the happiest day of my life.