Michigan Mock Draft Positions

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There has not been much talk about the upcoming NBA draft, which is surprising given the huge effect it will have on the constitution of our team next year.  There have been 30 threads created on the NBA draft during the time I got pulled away from writing this.  Correct me if I’m wrong, but April 16th is the declaration date, so we will know who is staying and who is gone by then, right?

There hasn’t been much stated about who is packing up their rooms and who is entrenching themselves for another long March.  I’ve referenced a few mock drafts to get a range on our potential pro prospects.  McGary's range is odd, as most sites don't have him in the top 60.  Maybe he was omitted from a few mock drafts due to saying he's 100% on returning to the team.

 

Trey Burke – (6, 6, 7, 7, 9, 9, 13, 17)

Possible teams have included: Kings, Hornets, Pistons, Thunder, Mavs, Bucks

 

Glenn Robinson III – (10, 10, 10, 10, 11, 16, 22)

Possible teams have included: Timberwolves, Nets, Bullets, 76ers, Hawks

 

Mitch McGary – (18, 24)

Possible teams have included: Knicks, Hawks

 

Tim Hardaway Jr. – (19, 28, 30, 32, 32, 47, 51)

Possible teams have included: Heat, Magic, Cavaliers, Bulls, Thunder

gwkrlghl

April 10th, 2013 at 11:56 AM ^

Burke goes: 99%

GRIII: 50/50

THJ: 50/50

McGary: 25%

I bet if THJ and GRIII had had a better season and/or tournament, they'd both be out the door. Quotes from McGary give me the impression he probably wants to stay but is just leaving his options open

Stewart52

April 10th, 2013 at 12:18 PM ^

I would put McGary and GR3 at the exact same odds for leaving. They're best friends and similar pro prospects, they're probably talking all day to each other about what to do, and I wouldn't be surprised if that all adds up to them making the same decision.

True Blue Grit

April 10th, 2013 at 1:40 PM ^

He clearly needs another year at least.  For one thing, he needs to gain more strength.  Otherwise he's going to get handled in the NBA every night.  Another thing is his shot isn't consistent enough.  And he just needs to increase his intensity level game -in and game-out.  McGary also could benefit greatly from another year.  I believe in the end, both will be back next year. 

Magnus

April 10th, 2013 at 11:59 AM ^

Am I the only one who thinks Trey Burke might be a little bit of a flop in the pros?  He's a very good college player, obviously.  I don't mean to take anything away from his performance so far. But he's not lightning quick, and he's not very big.  I just think he's going to have a harder time getting to the basket, creating shots, etc. than he did in college.  I don't see him as a superstar, which is what you're looking for in the lottery.  To me he looks like a smaller Chauncey Billups.

Indonacious

April 10th, 2013 at 12:06 PM ^

Givony from Draft Express wrote this after the title game,

"Trey Burke has blown-by maybe the best perimeter defender in the NCAA, Russ Smith, all game. Maybe most important thing we learned tonight."

I don't think you are giving him enough credit. He may not be as explosive as Russel Westbrook from OKC but he has other skills that can help him compensate for that. Keep in mind that, likely, on an NBA team he will not be the sole focu of a defense to stop him, as he was during his college career. It will clear more space for him, etc.

Wolverine 73

April 10th, 2013 at 12:13 PM ^

It has always seemed that small guys have to be super-quick to be stars in the NBA.  Trey is a great college player, and no doubt will help his pro team.  But I don't see him as a star in the league.  Hope I am wrong about that.  I would draft McGary before Trey, because he seems to have enormous upside, albeit he is still pretty raw.

Indonacious

April 10th, 2013 at 1:59 PM ^

Ok, so your drafting is all-nba or bust? huh? You do realize that those standards renders a ridiculous portion of the league's starters as busts...most drafts range from 0-3 of those caliber players anyways. 

WolvinLA2

April 10th, 2013 at 1:19 PM ^

But most lottery picks are not faces of the franchise. There are only 30 franchises, some of which don't really have a face type player, yet there are 14 lottery picks every year. About 3 players per year end up being the face of the franchise, and you're probably right that Trey's not that guy. It doesn't mean he won't be a good starter or contributor for a long time.

panthera leo fututio

April 10th, 2013 at 1:59 PM ^

I absolutely agree with this. Once you get to the bottom half of the lottery, I think most teams would be very pleased to get a guy who turns into a solid but unspectacular starter. Just looking at the last few lotteries, you see a bunch of point/combo guards who don't nearly have the tools to be superstars -- Brandon Knight, Kemba Walker, Damian Lillard, Austin Rivers, etc. I think Burke compares favorably to that group.

DoubleLegTakedown

April 10th, 2013 at 12:42 PM ^

I'm no expert and I respect your football analysis (most of the time), but I don't thik you have much room for an argument here. Exactly what aspects of Burke's game do you think would not translate well to the NBA? What evidence have you witnessed throughout the season that you can cite as to why he won't be a successful pro. The young man has excellent quickness,deceptively so, enough to blow by Siva and Smith on a consistent basis, two of the quickest guards in basketball. The only player who shut Burke down is Oladipo and he could defend 3/4 of the NBA's guards successfully. Trey also has an elite set of moves he uses to score, step back jumper, deceptive quickness, touch when finishing around the rim, and an amazing puul up jumper. I know you always plays the devil's advocate but in my opinion this post should be flagged for trolling.

Magnus

April 10th, 2013 at 12:53 PM ^

I didn't see him "blowing by" anyone in the national championship game with his speed.  I saw him outmuscling those guys because he's stronger than Siva/Smith.

I'm not trolling.  Why is it difficult to believe that a good college player would struggle in the NBA?

redhousewolverine

April 10th, 2013 at 1:08 PM ^

Great college player. But it's a fair point to bring up. His size is going to make it harder to shoot jumpsuits over bigger Gs and finish in the lane over even bigger Fs and Cs in the NBA. He's quick but not super explosive. However, with his defensive prowess and sheer determination/willpower to succeed, I don't think he would be a flop. I think he has a baseline of solid NBA starter with potential to be really good, maybe great.

DoubleLegTakedown

April 10th, 2013 at 1:19 PM ^

he is so deceptively quick that he even managed to decieve even you. So he can outmuscle guards too, excellent, add that to the list of his strengths along with his quickness, You're right, he IS going to be a good Pro. And its not hard to imagine a good college player struggling in the NBA, heck look at Hansborough, but Burke has all the tools he needs to succeed. Your comparison to Chauncey Billups eludes to him doing quite well in the NBA.

Magnus

April 10th, 2013 at 1:28 PM ^

I compared him to Chauncey Billups because I think they have similar skills; they're physical point guards with some shooting range.

The difference is that Billups is 6'3", and Burke is listed at 6'0" (so he's probably 5'11").  So it doesn't "elude" to him doing quite well.  It means he's the height of TJ Ford without (in my opinion) the same kind of speed.

And perhaps you were the one being "decieved" about his quickness.

jeag

April 10th, 2013 at 12:44 PM ^

Have you looked at Billups's career numbers? A smaller Billups is absolutely worth the eighth pick in the draft.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/billuch01.html

I don't think the league expects Trey to be the next Chris Paul or even Kyrie Irving, but they see him as a safe pick who might settle into the Ty Lawson-Jameer Nelson tier of small, solid point guards. He's often compared to Kemba Walker, too--Kemba has put up pretty good numbers this year, and would be a bigger deal on a decent team.

Magnus

April 10th, 2013 at 1:03 PM ^

Billups got where he is partly because he's 6'3" and 210 lbs., though.  Burke is about three inches shorter than him.  If you're 6'0" or shorter, you typically have to be super quick to make a big impact.  I just don't see Burke having that kind of speed.  He relies on being stronger than people and taking contact in the paint, but those things are going to be significantly tougher as the competition/size improves at the next level.

panthera leo fututio

April 10th, 2013 at 2:10 PM ^

Size and speed are nice, but there are numerous NBA points with similar physical makeups to Burke who range from serviceable (Kyle Lowry) to good (Andre Miller) to great (Tony Parker, Chris Paul). None of those guys have elite athleticism, all are 6'2" or shorter, and all get by primarily by being good at basketball. Which Trey Burke is.

Also, I think you might have a misconception of what teams are expecting in the 6-13 draft pick range. Look through prior years' drafts -- getting a solid starter here is really what you're hoping for.

Magnus

April 10th, 2013 at 2:53 PM ^

I'm not saying nobody has success there with his size, and I was thinking that Jameer Nelson might be a pretty good comparison.  Like I said above, I think "flop" may have been the wrong word.  I just don't see Burke being a face-of-the-franchise type of player, and he could be like Nelson, who's not that type of player, either.  It just seems a fair number of Michigan fans think Burke is going to go light it up in the NBA, and I don't think that's the case.  Serviceable to good, yes.  But I don't think he'll be the next Kyrie Irving, Chris Paul, etc.

ca_prophet

April 10th, 2013 at 9:50 PM ^

... As the great short guards you note have talents that Burke does not. Parker is perhaps the quickest player in the league and has tremendous body control, including a very smooth acceleration that sneaks up in people. Paul is/was immensely strong and could jump out of the gym to go with near-elite quickness. Burke has been relying on a tremendous handle combined with good strength, leaping ability and quickness. The potential problem is that going against bigger, stronger and fast players might make his tools play down. He can't outmuscle NBA guards the way Paul can, or blow by them the way Parker can, and he can't elevate for his shot in a crack of space like Paul either. That doesn't mean he can't be a starter, just that I'd be surprised if he does better than Miller.

gsot21

April 10th, 2013 at 4:07 PM ^

 

Depends on how you define flop, I think he can easily become a Jameer Nelson clone. Who is an all star with great players around him, but just above average when he is playing on a joke of a team.

 

Comparing him to Chris Paul is just dumb because he is the best point guard in the NBA by far. 

Danwillhor

April 10th, 2013 at 12:16 PM ^

IMHO, no wishing or homerism, the only player ready for the pros on this team is Burke. Even Hardaway is just......mentally not ready and inconsistent. GR3 has the most NBA potential based on size and skill set but he is a very timid/differring player. He really seems afraid to do anything unless under the basket wide open or on a free fast break dunk. Mitch benefitted from a great tourney but we cannot forget how absolutely undraftable he was for most of the year. I'm not knocking ANY of them! My point is just that it is of my opinion that any losses outside of Burke are mistakes bigger than the Morris early departure. Just not ready. The NBA draft is 2 rounds. If equated to the NFL draft, the first round ends after the first 3-5 picks. Round 2 is roughly 5-10 and past that its about another round every 3 players. The NBA 2nd round is effectively equal to undrafted FA in the NFL. So, IMHO, not out of selfishness but their betterment I think any departure outside of Burke is an incredible mistake. In fact, swept awards or not, Burke may go as early as lottery or fall in the teens. He isn't coming back but doing so would make him that much wealthier and NBA ready.

cbs650

April 10th, 2013 at 2:13 PM ^

Your assessment of GRIII is correct in my opinion. I wonder if his  timidness was because he was playing out of position and he was told not to do too much with the basketball. He showed flashes at times and it was when he wasnt thinking so much and just reacting to what the defense was giving him. I belieive if he returns and is allowed to play more on the wing instead of the baseline  his game will blossom and we will see the player that shot up the recruiting ranks in his senior season of high school.

Indonacious

April 10th, 2013 at 12:30 PM ^

I think people have very lofty views of the caliber of palyers that are getting drafted in the first round nowadays. Look at the following list of players from that mock draft. You don't have to be a perfect prospect to be drafted in the first round. GRIII, for example, despite the flaws you mention is top 5 at his position. I don't see what's so different about him and a player like Archie Goodwin who is also expected to go in the 1st round. I have similar sentiments about McGary as well...nobody is saying these are can't miss prospects like Lebron James, but the fact is that you don't need to be in this era of one and dones to be drafted in the first round.


http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2013/

http://www.draftexpress.com/rankings/Top-100-Prospects/

Blue and Joe

April 10th, 2013 at 12:38 PM ^

All four would get drafted, and that's what is wrong with the NBA. I don't want to go to an NBA game and watch potential. I want to watch basketball at its best with players at their best.

That being said, if they are going to get drafted and make millions of dollars I can't fault them for going.

DoubleLegTakedown

April 10th, 2013 at 1:00 PM ^

Burke, by all means, is going to be an excellent Pro and has nothing left to prove in the college ranks. Everyone else, however, would be ill advised to leave. I understand the NBA draft is based mostly on potential and players should take the money if its there BUTTTTT.....Glen Robinson is a 3 dimensional player. Robinson only cathes oops, hits 3's from the corner, and rebounds/tip dunks. This young man needs to work on his handles, I literally NEVER saw GRIII take anyone off the dribble, he looked so uncomfortable even dribbling around the top of the key befor he passed it to whoever, he cannot create his own shot yet because his handles are lacking. Someone with his elite athleticism should be able to take a bigger defender off the dribble, what further proves my point is that he always had the other team's 4 guarding him on the perimiter and couldn't take any of them individually. He's a hell of a slasher but needs another year to work on his shooting and refine his game. McGary could succeed in the Pro's if he left this year but I don't think he is athletic enough to be productive YET. He is very smooth and fluid and I think his fluidity helps him with being quick for a big man, but for a 6'10" guy he shure isnt very explosive. One more year will make him a lottery pick. Hardaway is the most inconsistent player I've seen at Michigan since Ronald Coleman! I love Timmy but he completely disappears at times and he is a streak shooter. When he is on, watch out, but when he is off, he is OFF. Just my 4 cents...