Which NBA player does Mitch McGary remind anyone of?
Tennessee is not recruiting well just because they got 18 dudes
Which NBA player does Mitch McGary remind anyone of?
David Lee and Kevin Love.
Oh, and Wes Unseld.
Kevin Love is a pretty good 3 point shooter, while Mcgary doesn't have that kind of range. Other than that, I can see the comparisons between the two due to their size and rebounding.
three point shooter in college, however. He added that his second year in Minnesota.
when at UCLA. I believe he was over 30% from three which isn't bad for a big.
I looked it up! I didn't realize he jacked so many threes at UCLA.
We don't know that he doesn't have that kind of range. He just hasn't taken those shots in game. He has, however, taken a lot of 15' jumpers and hit them with relative ease. With the number of 3 point specialists we have on this team and his ability to drive, it wouldn't surprise me if the coaches told him not to take the 3 even if it's wide open. At the same time, it wouldn't surprise me to see him start taking those shots next year if no one is going to guard him that far away from the basket. If he can show that he can make those shots at all, it will open up things in the paint a lot more when he comes up top for a screen.
If he can shoot the three, is there a good reason the coaches would tell him to pass up wide open shots, especially a Beilien who likes his bigs to shoot? If a player who has played significant minutes and has not attempted a single three point shot over the course of a season, there probably is a reason and it isn't because the coaches are hiding thier secret weapon.
The guy shoots 44% on free throws, I think you might be overselling his range just a tad.
If McGary could shoot the three, I'm guessing we would have seen some pick and rolls where instead of rolling to the basketball, he rolls to the 3 point line. Kind of like what the Pistons did with Lambeer.
some talking head said Dave Cowens whom I remember vaguely from my childhood. He was good...
IIRC Cowens was all about the hook shot. I don't think I have ever seen a McGary hook. Plus Mitch moves much better.
Dave Cowens was an excellent jump shooter from the foul line extended. Very similar to Mitch. And yes I am old and watched Cowens play.
Eh. Cowens was smaller, a better shooter, and a lot faster. He didn't rely much on the hook. I think the diving on the floor is what drove that comparison.
Looks like all the usual suspects have already been named.
All the white players? Because obviously the only comparison for a white player is another white player.
A taller Earl Boykins.
"Michael Jordan but taller" - Fred Jackson
He could be considered one of the best basketball players ever had he played his whole career in the states. Think of him like a basketball version of Ichiro. He had a phenominal career both in his country and an above average career here given his age. Not many people know that about Sabonis.
My Vydas, he's not Your Vydas heeessss Arvydas Sabonis
McGary and Varejao have a lot of similarities. About the same size, both high-energy players, neither has much of an outside shot and both are below-average FT shooters. McGary has a higher ceiling, I think, because he is going to eventually pack on a little more muscle and be able to be a more physical defender, plus he can handle the ball better.
We have a winner! Especially with Andy adding a 15 footer this year. Best comparison I can think of and I didn't even think of it! Noice.
Not as solid defensively, but could be down the road. Very active and disruptive.
Offensively, aside from the obvious bank shot repoitoire he can run the floor in transition and even run the point on it with crisp passing and good awareness of spacing, excellent court-vision. Has range out to a good distance for a big guy. Lacking in Duncan's post-game at this time which is likely the main fault with the comparison.
Solid rebounder, though doubtful he will ever be a league leader or close, more like a 9-10 guy.
I think poor man's Duncan is more accurate than Love or David Lee who are just white guys who are similar build and not slow and plodding. I think those comparisons are lazy. Love is a much better rebounder than McGary and shares almost nothing in common with him. His defensive game is totally different - McGary will be a much better defender in the NBA - and Love has range that McGary will never have. Lee is also a much better rebounder and a terrible defender who isn't nearly as skilled offensively as McGary.
I'm really not "race card" guy, and racial issues are not a significant portion of my daily thoughts, but I do get annoyed that white basketball players are only compared to, or remind people of, other white players. Just like a black QB can only remind you of another black QB. There are 2 kinds of NFL slot receivers: white ones to remind us of Wes Welker or Ed McCaffrey, and everyone else.
Ok, no more rant, but thanks for reasonably comparing McGary to someone without considering skin color.
Except for it's not that reasonable. Tim Duncan is a top 20 player all time. No offense to Mitch, but he's not even a "poor man's" Tim Duncan. I mean Mitch doesn't even have a single post move.
I did not mean to imply anything beyond the fact that Mitch will play a style similar to Duncan's but at a - at best - 14-15 ppg, 9-10 rpg, 3 apg, 1.5 bpg, 1 spg clip with less efficient defense. As opposed to Duncan's tremendous post D and 24 ppg, 11-12 rpg, 4 apg, 3 bpg, 1 spg prime.
"Poor Man's Tim Duncan" describes just about every big man in the NBA for the last 12 years or so which makes it not a very meaningful comparison. There are very few as good or better than Tim Duncan so what does that tell you?
It's meant as a comparison in style, not in ability, necessarily. "Poor Man's Tim Duncan" doesn't refer to every center who isn't as good as Tim Duncan, but rather a player with a similart style to Duncan, but not as good, or not as good yet. Not every big man plays like Tim Duncan. Whether or not you agree with the example is different than saying it doesn't tell you anything.
If there was a super athletic but not so skilled big man coming out of college, you might call him a Poor Man's Dwight Howard instead.
High energy player, with limited offensive game, but his stroke is much better.
Kevin Love is a future hall of famer with range, I'm not going that far.
(I just saw mfan_in_ohio's post, basically everything he already said)
Named Wes Unseld
He reminds of a poor mans David Lee. Not quite as skilled but has a great motor.
From people like Chad Ford and Givony from Draft Express...(both pretty reasonable)
It seems as if Burke (obviously), GRIII, and McGary all have 1st round grades- Burke being top 10 and the other 2 being top 20. Thjr is likely a 2nd round pick.
Best case scenario is that we only lose Burke and Worst case scenario is that we obviously lose all 4 of them.
I think if we lose just Burke and GR3 we can be okay, if we lose all four we're going to be fighting to make the tournament again.
According to ESPN.com (http://espn.go.com/nba/draft), the deadline is April 28 for early eligibility entry.
Not sure who is right here, but CBS:
"Wednesday, April 16 is the NCAA's official Early Entry Withdrawal Deadline -- when players have to pull out in order to maintain their college basketball eligibility."
It may be that the NBA has a later deadline, but the NCAA athletes that don't withdraw their inquiry by the 16th are considered ineligible.
if you declare you have until the 16th to pull out, you can declare afterwards..but you can't change your mind.
I believe if a player declares for the NBA the NCAA says he must withdraw by the 16th to remain eligible. The NBA deadline for declaring is the 28th. So a kid not sure what to do would not declare early to maintain NCAA eligibility. Once he makes a decision he could declare on the 27th but would not be able to change his mind because he would then be ineligible.
Damn my slow smart phone typing skills!
"The NBA drafts on potential."
I wholeheartedly agree, but the NBA is looking for potential. And GRIII's potential is bigger than a JerryWorld scoreboard.
FWIW my sources tell me that THJ's father wants him to finish his degree.
I like your sources, random internet guy.
hasnt mcgary already said he is coming back.
After that he said he would think about it.
He backtracked a bit after saying that.
He's already pulled back from that statement, so he's a risk, but maybe not a huge one.
Burke goes: 99%
I bet if THJ and GRIII had had a better season and/or tournament, they'd both be out the door. Quotes from McGary give me the impression he probably wants to stay but is just leaving his options open
I would put McGary and GR3 at the exact same odds for leaving. They're best friends and similar pro prospects, they're probably talking all day to each other about what to do, and I wouldn't be surprised if that all adds up to them making the same decision.
if McGary and GRIII both decide to go to the pros. If they did, I can't imagine Timmy would hang around either.
If you had a gun to my head, I'd bet that both of them came back and both are gone after next season
He clearly needs another year at least. For one thing, he needs to gain more strength. Otherwise he's going to get handled in the NBA every night. Another thing is his shot isn't consistent enough. And he just needs to increase his intensity level game -in and game-out. McGary also could benefit greatly from another year. I believe in the end, both will be back next year.
My gut feeling says that McGary and GR3 will make the decision together. I think they will stick around another year and then both enter the draft next year.
Am I the only one who thinks Trey Burke might be a little bit of a flop in the pros? He's a very good college player, obviously. I don't mean to take anything away from his performance so far. But he's not lightning quick, and he's not very big. I just think he's going to have a harder time getting to the basket, creating shots, etc. than he did in college. I don't see him as a superstar, which is what you're looking for in the lottery. To me he looks like a smaller Chauncey Billups.
Not sure he'll be Chris Paul caliber but he will be very good.
Givony from Draft Express wrote this after the title game,
"Trey Burke has blown-by maybe the best perimeter defender in the NCAA, Russ Smith, all game. Maybe most important thing we learned tonight."
I don't think you are giving him enough credit. He may not be as explosive as Russel Westbrook from OKC but he has other skills that can help him compensate for that. Keep in mind that, likely, on an NBA team he will not be the sole focu of a defense to stop him, as he was during his college career. It will clear more space for him, etc.
I didn't really see Burke blowing by many people, although he has a good handle. His dribbling prowess is more helpful than his pure speed/quickness at getting past guys, in my opinion.
He doesn't need elite quickness if he's a threat to score from 30 feet out though.
Regarding his size, he makes up for some of his 6'0" height with a 6'5" wingspan
If you can't get past people, though, it's going to be tougher to shoot over them when they're crowding you out to 27'.
not quite sure you can label somebody a bust and them compare them to Chauncey Billups.
It has always seemed that small guys have to be super-quick to be stars in the NBA. Trey is a great college player, and no doubt will help his pro team. But I don't see him as a star in the league. Hope I am wrong about that. I would draft McGary before Trey, because he seems to have enormous upside, albeit he is still pretty raw.
I see Burke as a guy who isn't likely to be a flop or a superstar. I think he'll be the equivalent of, say, Luol Deng if Deng played PG, a very good but not truly elite player.
When I say "flop," I don't mean a total failure. Maybe "flop" was the wrong word. But when I think of lottery picks, I think of guys who are potential "faces of the franchise," and I don't see Burke being that guy.
Faces of the francise, like Darko and the Pistons, right?
Darko the Human Victory Cigar.
Yeah, I don't see him being all-NBA /the kind of guy who carries a team either.
Ok, so your drafting is all-nba or bust? huh? You do realize that those standards renders a ridiculous portion of the league's starters as busts...most drafts range from 0-3 of those caliber players anyways.
I said that I think he'll be as good as Luol Deng, which is pretty damn good.
But most lottery picks are not faces of the franchise. There are only 30 franchises, some of which don't really have a face type player, yet there are 14 lottery picks every year. About 3 players per year end up being the face of the franchise, and you're probably right that Trey's not that guy. It doesn't mean he won't be a good starter or contributor for a long time.
I absolutely agree with this. Once you get to the bottom half of the lottery, I think most teams would be very pleased to get a guy who turns into a solid but unspectacular starter. Just looking at the last few lotteries, you see a bunch of point/combo guards who don't nearly have the tools to be superstars -- Brandon Knight, Kemba Walker, Damian Lillard, Austin Rivers, etc. I think Burke compares favorably to that group.
I didn't see him "blowing by" anyone in the national championship game with his speed. I saw him outmuscling those guys because he's stronger than Siva/Smith.
I'm not trolling. Why is it difficult to believe that a good college player would struggle in the NBA?
Great college player. But it's a fair point to bring up. His size is going to make it harder to shoot jumpsuits over bigger Gs and finish in the lane over even bigger Fs and Cs in the NBA. He's quick but not super explosive. However, with his defensive prowess and sheer determination/willpower to succeed, I don't think he would be a flop. I think he has a baseline of solid NBA starter with potential to be really good, maybe great.
I compared him to Chauncey Billups because I think they have similar skills; they're physical point guards with some shooting range.
The difference is that Billups is 6'3", and Burke is listed at 6'0" (so he's probably 5'11"). So it doesn't "elude" to him doing quite well. It means he's the height of TJ Ford without (in my opinion) the same kind of speed.
And perhaps you were the one being "decieved" about his quickness.
Because his game isn't like Ford's. I said he has Ford's height. Learn to read.
Have you looked at Billups's career numbers? A smaller Billups is absolutely worth the eighth pick in the draft.
I don't think the league expects Trey to be the next Chris Paul or even Kyrie Irving, but they see him as a safe pick who might settle into the Ty Lawson-Jameer Nelson tier of small, solid point guards. He's often compared to Kemba Walker, too--Kemba has put up pretty good numbers this year, and would be a bigger deal on a decent team.
Billups got where he is partly because he's 6'3" and 210 lbs., though. Burke is about three inches shorter than him. If you're 6'0" or shorter, you typically have to be super quick to make a big impact. I just don't see Burke having that kind of speed. He relies on being stronger than people and taking contact in the paint, but those things are going to be significantly tougher as the competition/size improves at the next level.
Size and speed are nice, but there are numerous NBA points with similar physical makeups to Burke who range from serviceable (Kyle Lowry) to good (Andre Miller) to great (Tony Parker, Chris Paul). None of those guys have elite athleticism, all are 6'2" or shorter, and all get by primarily by being good at basketball. Which Trey Burke is.
Also, I think you might have a misconception of what teams are expecting in the 6-13 draft pick range. Look through prior years' drafts -- getting a solid starter here is really what you're hoping for.
Parker and Miller both have at least a couple inches on Burke.
But Paul doesn't, nor does Lowry or Jameer Nelson or Maurice Williams or DJ Augustin. The point is that there are many guys who have been anywhere from serviceable to HOF with comparable physical tools.
I'm not saying nobody has success there with his size, and I was thinking that Jameer Nelson might be a pretty good comparison. Like I said above, I think "flop" may have been the wrong word. I just don't see Burke being a face-of-the-franchise type of player, and he could be like Nelson, who's not that type of player, either. It just seems a fair number of Michigan fans think Burke is going to go light it up in the NBA, and I don't think that's the case. Serviceable to good, yes. But I don't think he'll be the next Kyrie Irving, Chris Paul, etc.
... As the great short guards you note have talents that Burke does not. Parker is perhaps the quickest player in the league and has tremendous body control, including a very smooth acceleration that sneaks up in people. Paul is/was immensely strong and could jump out of the gym to go with near-elite quickness. Burke has been relying on a tremendous handle combined with good strength, leaping ability and quickness.
The potential problem is that going against bigger, stronger and fast players might make his tools play down. He can't outmuscle NBA guards the way Paul can, or blow by them the way Parker can, and he can't elevate for his shot in a crack of space like Paul either.
That doesn't mean he can't be a starter, just that I'd be surprised if he does better than Miller.
He might be like Jay Williams, per motorcycle injury who was trending into a solid player. I don't think he is a d rose or a Chris Paul though. Stay of the bikes trey!
Depends on how you define flop, I think he can easily become a Jameer Nelson clone. Who is an all star with great players around him, but just above average when he is playing on a joke of a team.
Comparing him to Chris Paul is just dumb because he is the best point guard in the NBA by far.
Your assessment of GRIII is correct in my opinion. I wonder if his timidness was because he was playing out of position and he was told not to do too much with the basketball. He showed flashes at times and it was when he wasnt thinking so much and just reacting to what the defense was giving him. I belieive if he returns and is allowed to play more on the wing instead of the baseline his game will blossom and we will see the player that shot up the recruiting ranks in his senior season of high school.
Pretty good comparison. I don't believe there are guaranteed contracts if you're drafted in the second round. If you're a second round draft pick and get cut in camp, you might be sol. It's why underclassmen usually only come out if they are very confident of being a first round pick.
I think people have very lofty views of the caliber of palyers that are getting drafted in the first round nowadays. Look at the following list of players from that mock draft. You don't have to be a perfect prospect to be drafted in the first round. GRIII, for example, despite the flaws you mention is top 5 at his position. I don't see what's so different about him and a player like Archie Goodwin who is also expected to go in the 1st round. I have similar sentiments about McGary as well...nobody is saying these are can't miss prospects like Lebron James, but the fact is that you don't need to be in this era of one and dones to be drafted in the first round.
All four would get drafted, and that's what is wrong with the NBA. I don't want to go to an NBA game and watch potential. I want to watch basketball at its best with players at their best.
That being said, if they are going to get drafted and make millions of dollars I can't fault them for going.
Should review the last 20 or so draft classes (Wikipedia, for example). Being a lottery pick is hardly a guarantee of getting a long term NBA starter, much less a star.
Accordingly, saying "No way player X is good enough to go top 20, they would only be a bench player" or something similar is sort of a meaningless comment. Most first round draft picks peak at contributing role player (with some exceptions in bumper classes).
D-Mo left, most people thought he should've stayed.
Lewan stayed, shocking everybody.
At this point, I wouldn't be floored if 0 guys left or if 4 guys left. I'll set the over/under at 2.
All the players will stay ..WHY? to keep this thing going on a ELITE Level and they
would be favorites to win it all...MAYBE they will pay Belien back for everything hes
done For Michigan and be all in.....Wouldnt that be totally amazing? Keeping a program
Elite is getting harder and harder....one can dream...RIGHT?
How's that fantasy world treating you Haha we all wish it would happen.
I think Trey is a great example of why it's a good idea for McGary and Robinson to stick around another year. Last year, when we were all freaking out about Burke, he was slated as a late first round selection IIRC. This year, he's predicted as a lottery pick. Robinson is on some lists, too, but think what a great year next year could do for him.
With Albrecht and Walton as PGs and Irvin coming in as Hardaway's heir apparent (whether Timmy turns pro or not, that seems like Irvin's role), McGary and GR3 are in a position to lead the team and put up huge numbers next year - which could improve their stock even more.
I think GR3 and McGary will come back to be the main guys for next year's team. That's mostly a result of sheer hope, but still. I think it'd do them both well.
That would still be a hell of a team with Albrecht/Walton, Stauskas, Irvin/LeVert, Donnal/Robinson, and McGary/Morgan/Horford.
If robinson is going to continually be played at the 4 in college, he should leave and get better playing the position he going to play in the nba which is the 3.
Frankly, if all three of McGary/Morgan/Horford return, it would be nice to see one of those guys start playing more at the four. Morgan could guard fours, but he's not much of a shooter. McGary can shoot fairly well from midrange, but he might struggle with quicker fours. You could play McGary and Morgan together, with McGary at the 4 on offense and 5 on defense, while Morgan plays the 5 on offense and the 4 on defense. Then you could rotate in Horford, Bielfedt, and Donnal while playing GRIII at the three.
The NBA is tricky when it comes to drafting players. It seems like nowadays teams look to draft at best a starter in the first round and if he becomes a superstar thats icing on the cake.
It seems like in the NBA players have 1-2 years to get acclaimated to the game (investment time) After that its basically are they ready or d league time
GRIII - has plenty of offensive, pretty soft on D, allbiet he needs to move back to his position of choice, 3
Mitch - might be in the back of his head he could lose a little draft stock after this great run, and not having Trey get him the ball (granted we dont know how next year will turn out)
Timmy - dont know if he can improve much more, could stay and get the degree and have a fun senior year, or leave and see what happens, (might stay if GRIII and Big Mitch Stay)
Just my opinion
McGary's game reminds me a lot of Vlade Divac.
Mcgary range on the mock draft sites is very odd. Chad Ford's mock is defiantly an outlier. Some mock drafts that have been recently updated have him late twenties and some even later.
GR3 is making a decision on how much he thinks he can improve over the summer, playing off the dribble. Cause the offense will be a lot more open for him to go one on one next year. If he isn't scoring 15ppg next year I think his stock would drop compared to now.
Timmy could take over the offense next year, but that would probably hurt his draft stock.
A lot of their decisions will be based on how they think they can survive without Burke, as all those easy buckets wont be their next year.
The whole Pistons roster. You don't have to be great to be drafted relatively high in the 1st round.
Out of curiousity, how does the incoming recruit donnals game compare to someone like Smotrycz?
They still wouldnt be favorites to win it all next year. Kentucky is the favorite to win it next year, with freshmen. 6 or 7 McDonalds All Americans in one class. All of them will not likely be as good as the hype but if half of them are, they are going to be very good.
If everyone from M comes back, they would have better odds than UK to win it all. A great recruiting class vs. NCAA runner up with everyone back? Come on.
I know this likely means nothing, but I just thought I'd put it out there.
I know the season just ended but I'm already getting wayyyy too hyped about next years team!!
Maybe he knows a bit more about who's planning on staying next year? All I know is if Spike is excited, I am excited.
I remember last year the gossip around Trey, I never knew what to think.
The dorm picture and what not
I also remember bacari's twitter and his inside track on McGarys recruitment
Hinting at his favorite candy being M&M's .....
Damn twitter and its trickery