Wolvie3758

March 3rd, 2015 at 11:35 PM ^

and Triple CHOKE...

 

How man times can one team CHOKE in a single season...Im sorry but thats about 10 games this year that this team has Choked down the stretch..Blame it on youth if you have to..but at some point its coaching.

 

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FieldingBLUE

March 3rd, 2015 at 11:36 PM ^

I have never seen such pathetic fans of this university. It's time to turn in your cards. If you honestly think michigan would be better off next year with a new coach, wow.



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Boom Goes the …

March 3rd, 2015 at 11:36 PM ^

then illinois and that will probably be it.  Besides somehow beating osu this team has been circling the drain for a while

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sportzfan81

March 3rd, 2015 at 11:37 PM ^

I cannot ever remember a team that consistently was incapable of inbounding the basketball in the final 2 mins like this team is. Perhaps it's due to Walton/Lavert being injured....but damn eventually you have to draw up plays that the five guys on the court can execute.



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JHendo

March 3rd, 2015 at 11:45 PM ^

It's not just this year's team, it's been every year.  I say it all the time, and people seem to get defensive about it towards me when I do, but Beilein is one of the worst coaches in the NCAA when it comes to inbounds plays.  I've been pleased with most everything else Beilein has done (save for the occasional coaching choke jobs which anyone is susceptible to), but man is he awful at it.

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ThadMattasagoblin

March 3rd, 2015 at 11:37 PM ^

The meltdown is going to be insane on this. I've resigned myself to the fact that we needed to have a disastorous year in everything for the planets to align and us to get Harbaugh. Next school year can't come soon enough.

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runandshoot

March 3rd, 2015 at 11:38 PM ^

Michigan has had since Bill Freider. We had four players drafted to the NBA in two seasons and the two remaining returning starters go down with injury, one of who will probably be another first round draft pick this year.

It was a bad year, and this game fit with it. But seriously, it will be okay. I promise.

 

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MichiganMan14

March 3rd, 2015 at 11:45 PM ^

You foul up 3. You go ball denial on DempS. You go man and go over top of screens and run people off the 3 up multiple possessions. You don't shoot early in the clock up multiple possessions with under 2 min to play. You at some point have to coach rebounding. This is a "Beilein loss". We need to stop hiding from this truth. There have been a lot of "Beilein losses" this year.

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freejs

March 3rd, 2015 at 11:49 PM ^

this is the shit that happens when you have multiple kids on the floor who weren't supposed to even see action. 

I tend to disagree with Coach B on all his late game principles (how many times do you need to get fucking savaged by a 3?) and the failure to draw up successful inbound plays is ABSURD, but to find the common theme as Coach B being on the sideline as opposed to the common theme being a team of 1st and 2nd year players on the court is to miss the point badly.  

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freejs

March 4th, 2015 at 3:22 AM ^

everyone expects young teams to lose in precisely this sort of excruciating fashion.

You can blame who you want to blame, but in searching for the theme, it's more reasonable to look to the thing that has been true about young college basketball teams since I started watching the game 30 plus years ago - young teams struggle to close. "Crazy things" seem to happen to them regularly. I think literally every recognized college basketball expert would agre with this.

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Muttley

March 3rd, 2015 at 11:38 PM ^

I think Beilein should have saved that last timeout when we got the ball back down four with ~5+ seconds to play.  His play was nice to get Irvin an open three, but if you're playing to actually win the game, you have to score four, and you need two possessions unless NW commits a major boneheaded play and gives up a three point shot with an And-1.

See http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/michigan-mbb-northwestern-open-thread?page=…

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MichiganMan14

March 3rd, 2015 at 11:42 PM ^

The kids gave great effort. Beilein has been out coached often this year. I sure hope it's not a sign of things to come. At this point I'll be happy when the season ends and Caris gets his late 1st round early 2nd draft grade and comes back for his senior year. That means more than these games at this point. Losing to NW is a disgrace and can the "injuries" excuse. Recruit better players and do a better job of player retention and 2 players won't stoop you to this level of bad basketball. We look lost and unathletic. We blow games for no other reason but coaching and still are the worst late game team I can think of. Our inbounding is seriously middle school level.

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JOHNNAVARREISMYHERO

March 4th, 2015 at 1:53 AM ^

First of all, why in the hell was Mitch dressed to play against Tennessee.  Everyone was fair game to be tested, but yeah, the odds of getting tested why being in a suit is not very likely.

The players were well aware that they were being tested by the NCAA at the tournament.   

Shouldn't we have some sort of pre-test procedures in place to you know, make sure we don't have anyone fail a drug test that we know is coming.  

If we tested Mitch and he failed, we could have pre-suspended him.  You know like every other school does.  Guys are caught with weed all the time, drug paraphrenilia all the time, and sit out 1 game or 3 games or whatever it is.

Failing a NCAA adminsitered drug test is comically stupid.

Its also fitting there was a thread earlier saying Levert is submitting his name.  Its like, whats the next negative thing that can happen for this program.  Sure Levert is a future NBA player, but did we really see him dominate enough?    I certainly don't think so.   But of course everyone is saying if I was his advisor, I'd tell him to go.  Why?   Do we want a program or not.  We are in full rebuild in fucking Year 8 of Beilein's tenure.  Losing to a joke of a Northwestern team likely means we won't even make the NIT.  

A down year is 10-8, 9-9 (like we should have been if we just fucking fouled).  Instead we are looking at 8-10 in a comically weak Big Ten.  The injuries had nothing to do with multiple losses.  This team should have been at the absolute worst 10-8.  

A down year is being a 10 seed, not missing the postseason entirely.  

Let's keep rooting for our guys to take the money and run though, meanwhile Wisconsin and other programs keep guys four years and maintain their level of play.

 

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LeBron James

March 3rd, 2015 at 11:42 PM ^

Anyone saying Beilein should be fired or on the hot seat is a fucking idiot and should be banned from the Internet. We have arguably the best coaching tandem in college sports. While Beilein clearly needs to study the arts of inbounding and fouling when up three when the opponent needs a three, he is a fantastic coach.



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allintime23

March 3rd, 2015 at 11:52 PM ^

You are right on. The guy was a three pointer away from going to the final four two years in a row. He however does need to address some things but if there was ever a year to be down I feel like this was it. Still, you have to foul when you're up three and have seconds on the clock. You have to be able to get the ball in play and you have to come up with better set plays after time outs.

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FieldingBLUE

March 3rd, 2015 at 11:42 PM ^

I've said this all year. There are seasons that disappoint yet pay off later in spades. This is one of those years. The experience these kids are getting is invaluable. Without the injuries maar and Dawkins are sitting all season. Now they are key cogs and 15-16 will be special. With or without caris. But hopefully with caris. You chicken littles can saddle up with Ellerbee and iron your mock turtlenecks. Beilein makes mistakes but losses aren't always on the coaches. Sometimes you step on the line and sometimes you don't. Sometimes replays are allowed and sometimes magically they aren't. Grow up kids and act like you're more than 4.



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Pinky

March 3rd, 2015 at 11:50 PM ^

How is the experience of continually choking away wins invaluable?  And what evidence do you have to suggest that next year will be special?  I don't see any legitimate NBA talent on this team next year except maybe Irvin, and our frontcourt problems don't look like they will be solved anytime soon.  

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FieldingBLUE

March 3rd, 2015 at 11:56 PM ^

It's huge. Failing breeds change in the strong. But change isn't immediate. This team has learned from shitty losses vs njit and emu (with caris and Derrick). They won some close games already they lost some mind numbing games. They've learned a ton and next year will be strong late in games bc of it.



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HollywoodHokeHogan

March 3rd, 2015 at 11:59 PM ^

            I agree with some of this, because people saying fire Beilen are over reacting.  But without the injuries we would be winning games now, which is way better than possibly winning games in the future.  Remember when we all said "Oh man, McGary got hurt, but he'll be back next year and we will so awesome then!"  Well guess what, shit happened and he never came back.  Next year MAAR and Dawkins might be injured, Walton might not be at the level he would be had he played another season, some random big *coughJonHorfortcough* might decide to transfer for no discernable reason.  We have no choice but to put our faith in next season, given what a piss and shit show this year has been.  But I'd much rather not have to do that.

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Avant's Hands

March 3rd, 2015 at 11:44 PM ^

It's ridiculous to suggest Beilein should be fired. It's equally ridiculous to suggest his late game coaching isn't lacking. I've never seen an organized sports team struggle to do something as much as Michigan does inbound the ball late in games. Not to mention the whole never fouling when up three and never guarding an opposing in bounder. Northwestern hit some lucky shots, but they never should have been in position to do that in the first place.

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HollywoodHokeHogan

March 4th, 2015 at 12:04 AM ^

                  If it's smarter to foul, then the logic isn't sound.  I do agree that long-time coaches rarely deviate from their policy on fouling at the end of games.  Most refuse to do it at all.  They still ought to do it, though.  The inbounding disasters and the inability to cover the corner three in both 2-3 and 1-3-1 zones are much greater concerns, in my view.

 

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Blau

March 3rd, 2015 at 11:55 PM ^

Physical talent isn't the issue. We have a lot of injured players and we've had a lot of guys leave early for the NBA but the general lack of late game understanding is damn near laughable. Our players should be smart enough to foul up by 3, run an inbound play and at the very least, hit free throws. That starts with Beilein.

 

I'd be fine if this happened once in a blue moon but it seems to be a common theme this entire season. Whether we're playing backup freshmen or 5th year seniors, the coaching has to get better.

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freejs

March 3rd, 2015 at 11:56 PM ^

How the fuck do you think NW lost every last one of those games in a row?

Because this shit happens to young teams. 

I hate it, this sucked, I hate that we didn't call timeout and instead turned the ball over, I wanted us to foul on the 3, that we can't diagram a fucking inbounds play is maddening, but saying "whether we're playing backup freshmen or 5th year seniors," as though you can just breeze over that - that's horse shit. 

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