Michigan Marching Band

Submitted by CRex on

Edit: Misopogon's reply to the band members is likely even better, although buried on page two of the water bottle thread: #51

Alright, so in our water bottle thread yesterday we kind of veered off to bashing on the MMB a bit and the fact that Delaware State’s band pretty much destroyed them and some band members voiced their frustration over how the student section in general doesn’t give a shit about the band and expressed a desire for feedback.  I figured we could take a break from our daily “Who will start at QB”/who had bad work ethic thread to voice some constructive advice to the band.  Maybe give them something to take to the director and go “Look we have 20 pages of people saying we should play this song, can we play it?”

It’ll set myself up for abuse first with some general: 

First and foremost, if someone isn’t offended, you’re not doing your job.   We have some alums who took the entire “public ivy” thing a little too far and get offended if they hear anything that sounds like it might have been written post Fielding Yost era.  For example that jackass who was really vocal about how the luxury boxes would ruin everything.  The metric is not the angry letters you get post performance, but if you have 100,000 rocking during your performance.

Second, take the music sheets from that boy band show, all of them and any computer hard drives that might have that music on it and burn it.  5 gallon can of gas, matches and we’ll never speak of that again, alright?  Fair deal.  Seriously though, pop music is not we associate with football, with a few exceptions.  Things like Britney’s “3” kind of work because it has a heavy beat, but N’Sync?  Hell no.   

Third, think about who we celebrate in that stadium.  Woodley, Graham, Branch, Jackson, Shazor, Edwards, Hart, etc.  Players known for destroying opposing QBs, running over LBs, insane catches, etc.  If the song you’re playing doesn’t sound like something you could toss on a Brandon Graham highlight reel, consider picking a different song.  “Hail To The Victors” and “Lets Go Blue” hasvean edge, but you guys play them so much I’ll still  be hearing them 10 years after I die.  The Hawaiian War Chant, Temptation work best with muppets and Varsity makes me reflexively reach for my smart phone to go check scores.  I respect their traditional role, but I suggest the pre-game show for them.

Finally, just because their old people in the stadium doesn’t mean they’re all boring.  Penn State pumps in Zombie Nation and the entire place goes nuts.  Yes some people will resist change, but you can make modern stuff part of the game day experience.
 

Some specifics:

Rap music really lends itself to the big band conversion.   My high school band always did “Roll Out” by Ludacris when the team took the field and “I Like Big Butts” whenever a lineman made a good play.  “Act a Fool” when we had a breakaway play (“too fast, too furious for y’all”).  Personally I’d love to see the MSU band play its show and then as they’re walking off the field see the MMB come out playing “Move Bitch” by Luda.  That would get the student section rocking.   If you don’t tell people what you’re playing, the old folks won’t even know they should be offended.  Our band used to call their Ludacris show  “ A Series of Contemporary Pieces Inspired by Christopher Brian Bridges”  (CBB is Luda’s real name).  I’m betting you could get a decent show out of Timbaland (“The Moring After Dark” kind of fits in with what we hope this season will be, I’d think the horn section and drum section could do some amazing things with that song), Trick Daddy, T.I. and Pitbull also might be worth taking a look at.  All the student section really wants is a heavy beat we can use to get pumped up.   Notice how “Living On a Prayer” always gets us rocking.  

 Internet memes are on occasion fun.  You should learn “Party in the USA” for the PSU Game, even though it breaks the no pop rule: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6N1o6JXRe4w (even  better if you can get that video on the jumbotron as you play it).  SNSD “Oh” would of course work for the Iowa game and if you have the dance team learn the moves it just gets better.  A lot of people read MGoBlog, so the younger crowd would get the reference and get excited.

That weird little drum cadence the band does between quarters needs to go away.  Where the cymbal players run around and some drum sticks get tossed.  Yes, I get it your coordinated, but it has no edge.  The only time I pay attention to it is if I’m bored and hoping someone gets conked on the head with a stick or hit with a cymbal.  If you’re going to do a little thing like that, have an edge or go play Varsity in front the alum section to keep the old people happy. 

End of the day, remember most of us in the stadium are some combination of drunk and dehydrated.  We’re living off adrenaline, give us a shot in the arm so we’re floating right on it when the 3rd quarter kicks off.  Complex harmonies from operas are completely wasted on those who are wasted.

Oh yes and more of that running around the stadium and playing in small groups.  That by far is the best thing you do.  Having the tuba guy walk up beside me and belt out a song always helps pump me up.  

CRex

August 4th, 2010 at 12:34 PM ^

Around.  I put too many personal details or the like into some of those stories and some MGoStalking (or you could charitably call it Internet Detective Work) occurred and I had a gag order issued on future stories by the SO.   

(I should just put this in my sig, comes up in every thread.  Home, where everyone knows your name.)

M-Wolverine

August 4th, 2010 at 6:21 PM ^

Asking when the next edition would come out, every day...man...is that our low standard to throw out "Stalking" now?

P.S. after you've burned and buried the boy band music? Take the shovel, bury the shovel.

Brooklyn_Blue

August 4th, 2010 at 12:51 PM ^

"That weird little drum cadence the band does between quarters needs to go away.  Where the cymbal players run around and some drum sticks get tossed.  Yes, I get it your coordinated, but it has no edge."

Just a FYI:  That weird little drum cadence is Temptation and Hawaiian War Chant. 

wordtoyourmother

August 4th, 2010 at 10:55 AM ^

I liked where the band used to be located, in the opposite side of the endzone.  It was easier for more people to hear them.  Im in Section 22 and it can be hard to hear them completely sometimes during games.

Other than not being able to always hear them, no complaints at all.  And the hearing thing isn't their fault, more of the location.

jonny_GoBlue

August 4th, 2010 at 11:03 AM ^

My opinion:  the RAWK music gets the student section pumped up and then pretty much no one else.  Finding ways to get the student section "more rocking" is not a major concern... if the student section can't get excited already then shame on them.

I'm all for the Marching Band expanding their playlist a little but if they're going to be songs/chants that the crowd would sing along with, it had better be both clean and University of Michigan related.

No More Mr. Buckeye

August 4th, 2010 at 11:04 AM ^

The Delaware State band destroyed them? They were a joke. They got everybody hyped up but they had a guy singing thriller out of tune on the microphone. They showed none of the discipline that the MMB shows. I just get mad anytime people smear the MMB because I was in band in HS. If you want a change tell them don't complain about it that doesn't help at all.

Feat of Clay

August 6th, 2010 at 9:47 AM ^

Agreed. 

And while I hope I don't offend anyone, if you told me an HBCU band was going to be playing in the Big House, I'd think it was a GIVEN that they might seem to blow MMB out of the water.  When it comes to showmanship, tradition, etc., it's a different level, a different kind of tradition.  A different kind of awesome.

Also, I wouldn't dream of criticizing MMB for it.

_____________________

If the OP hadn't told me that an MMB member had specifically asked for it, I would have found this entire thread presumptive.  What am I going to tell the band about how to "improve?" 

It seems to me that the things that might need improving are out of the hands of individual MMB members reading here (music choices, placement in stadium, volume, whatever). 

I will say this:  please understand that some largest proportion of your listeners think you're effing awesome and we appreciate all the hard work you put in.

Wolverine318

August 4th, 2010 at 11:28 AM ^

They were great and this is coming from a complete BOA and DCI snob. Sure they are no Grambling, JSU, or Southern. However, on that day they did own our band playing opera...Seriously, opera. I was already a vocal critic of Boerma that day. He completely lost me as a supporter when he brought out opera. I miss Jamie Nix.

DCLems

August 4th, 2010 at 3:15 PM ^

I was in the 5th row during the performances and the students were 10x louder for the DSU band than the MMB. Halftime was always my chance to sit down and relax because the band performances were usually pretty boring (there were 2 or 3 good ones in my 5 seasons there), but during the DSU performance I was standing up with the ENTIRE STUDENT SECTION until the MMB came on. I'm 100% with CRex on this one.

MCalibur

August 4th, 2010 at 11:09 AM ^

I've always thought that an MMB arrangement of "You Don't Know" by Jay - Z would be perfect after a sack or TFL. I'm at work so I can't post a link to a youtube clip but will later. I think of that picture of Alan Branch walking off the field after demolishing Morelli (?) and that song plays in my mind. I also see the student section doing that Lose Yourself hand bounce thing while the players go nuts and get fired up for the next play. Yeah, man...that'd be sweet. I think Iron Man gets played for the generic defensive play right now but, while I like it, a little variety would be nice.

It might be a good idea to set up a pattern. For example Temptation gets played after a 3rd down play. Everybody knows this, hence everyone knows what to do when they hear it. Example 2, the Finger Hex thing typically gets played going into a 3rd down to encourage a stop on 3rd. Again, people recognize it and they know what's going on, hence they participate.

The same thing should be done for Iron Man and You Don't Know.  Keep Iron Man and the Finger Hex thing for after 2nd down. Insert "You Don't Know" for 1st down TFLs/Sacks. Boom, pavlovian conditioning and mass fan participation.

AMazinBlue

August 4th, 2010 at 11:11 AM ^

stadium so the most fans can hear them.  Rawk music is not the solution to fan participation.  Winning and success on the field will cure most of what ails the Big House.

The MMB didn't cause global warming or the deforestation n the rain forest either.  They need more brass players and less woodwinds.  Problem solved.

SwordDancer710

August 4th, 2010 at 11:15 AM ^

The numbers of the band are bigger this year (both brass and woodwinds), so from size alone there should be more sound. With the new luxury boxes, the stadium as a whole is considerably louder, so while the band itself hasn't changed much, more crowd noise is being spread, making it seem like the band is quieter.

Bryan

August 4th, 2010 at 11:14 AM ^

thought Holst's Second Suite would lend well to a mb arrangement

/Sarcasm

Really though, I would rather have something that is musically technical over the trendy show, but that is what gets most people in the student section excited...It's a tradeoff

loosekanen

August 4th, 2010 at 11:15 AM ^

The MMB is awesome no matter how you slice it. A student organization that takes that much pride in what they do it really cool to watch no matter if you're just a fan, alumni, student. Just take pride and do what you do and stop worrying about the naysayers. 99% of people are leaving the stadium that day without one negative thing to say about the band. The 1% is going to bitch no matter what.

Beavis

August 4th, 2010 at 11:24 AM ^

My personal opinion -

The MMB is cool to see it for the first few games as a student.  It is impressive.

That being said:

1) It's just a band.  You probably know band members through your freshman dorm, classes, etc. and the stereotypes (just like the greeks, jocks, etc.) ring true. 

2) Just because "it's Michigan" doesn't make it the best.  Our band would get smoked by the likes of Grambling, Southern, etc. (and even Delaware St.). 

3) It's 2010.  The state of football is constantly evolving.  A lot of students will only get pumped up via piped-in music.  That's just how it works these days.

4) We have our fight song, which the band plays, and it's the best in the nation.  But that is sort of their one trick.  Granted, it's the best f'ing one trick in the nation - but we don't have what PSU does with Zombie Nation. 

loosekanen

August 4th, 2010 at 11:34 AM ^

'Smoked' seems a little harsh. According to whom? The student block? The average fan that has never attended the University? Kids? Alumni?

The best thing about the band is that it's a connect between the 2 year old that automatically loves instruments (loud and shiny obviously) and the 90 year old that graduated in 1942. The band was there then and it's there now preserving the traditions and tying generations of fans together. It's something we can all rally behind, just like the football team.

The same holds true at the Black colleges. What they do is unique to their Universities and an awesome way to connect fans.

No matter how they continue to entertain and evolve my biggest hope would be that MMB doesn't try to be someone else's band. They're already great. Other bands are great too! Why do we have to compare them? Why can't we just enjoy them for what they are?

Beavis

August 4th, 2010 at 11:38 AM ^

I say "smoked" because schools like Grambling and Southern put on a freaking SHOW. 

Not only are they good at playing instruments (like our band is), they put in the entertainment factor.  It's like comparing Jimmy Johnson's Miami teams versus Bear Bryant's late 70's Bama teams.

Both are great.  One is just a little bit more entertaining to watch.

Michigan4Life

August 4th, 2010 at 12:31 PM ^

they're black colleges and they tend to put pride in marching bands moreso than your run of the mill college.  That's part of the reason why the battle of the bands are considered to be the super bowl of the marching bands.  They spent a lot of time, prepping to entertain crowds and judges.

RedGreene

August 4th, 2010 at 6:51 PM ^

I'm hate to say this and I'll probably get negged to death for it, but you have no clue what you're talking about when it comes to College bands.  The University of Michigan marching band would get smoked by the DSU band?  Are you fucking serious?  This DSU band?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmfV2kZ8BhY&feature=related

They are not even in the same class.  Comparing the two bands is just silly.  That's like comparing a minor league baseball team to a major league team.  Actually, it's like comparing the DSU football team to the Michigan football team.  

jamiemac

August 4th, 2010 at 11:32 AM ^

Wait, we have a Marching Band? I havent heard them in at least 5 or 6 years.

nobody cares how precise or in tune you are. this is a football game. we want loud, raucus and fun. Every other band that's come to town in recent years has outshined the MMB in this department.

Also: play Rocky and Bullwinkle. It would bring the whole house down.

gobluemike

August 4th, 2010 at 11:41 AM ^

Actually, I'd like to start at the beginning. I agree that Varsity bores me. What I'd love to see is the pregame show help build the anticipation. The band comes out, the drum major bends backwards, they play the victors and the place is going nuts. Then, they play the opponent's fight song. I know that's tradition, and I'm not asking to mess with it. The problem is, the crowd needs to be built back up. Varsity isn't the song to do that. Perhaps this is where the Hawaiian War Chant/Temptation duo comes in, maybe something else. Either way, you get the excitement of the band rushing the field, then it dies. The crowd has to work itself back up by the time the players come out, instead of the band assisting in that role. 

As for the game itself, I like MCalibur's idea of sticking with certain theme's so they become new traditions that people can anticipate.

Either way, we have a great band, hopefully this input from the mgocommunity can help improve things. 

Go Blue!

icefins26

August 4th, 2010 at 11:52 AM ^

Perhaps this is where the Hawaiian War Chant/Temptation duo comes in, maybe something else.

They did bring in "the big cheer from the big house" a few years ago with Let's Go Blue.  I agree that Temptation would be great to incorporate into pregame.

goblue9683

August 4th, 2010 at 12:06 PM ^

pre 9/11, it was a straight drop after varsity, and then the ROTC color guard would be announced to raise the US flag to the Star Spangled Banner before the teams hit the field.  After the banner, Victors off the field while the visiting players are coming out of the tunnel.

 

post 9/11, both teams are brought out to hear the national anthem, so Let's Go Blue sort of adds time for the teams to get up the tunnel, pump up the crowd, and split the M for the M Club Supports you banner to be set up.  This is also when the band turned to the north endzone (to avoid the team) to play the Victors off the field instead of toward the press box (where there were previously no players).

Craig

August 4th, 2010 at 12:57 PM ^

Years ago, before the 90s, the band would play some random song after the opposing team's fight song. It would change every week, check out old pergames on youtube to see what I'm talking about. They starting playing Varsity every pergame in about 94 I want to say. Old people help me out here.

icefins26

August 4th, 2010 at 11:48 AM ^

Tennessee has speakers in all 4-corners and also at the 50-yard line on each side of Neland that create a surround sound affect.  Can this be done?