Michigan Man Jason Avant acting the part/Peter King article on NFL standards

Submitted by James Burrill Angell on

I was just reading Peter King's article on SI.com regarding creation of a higher professional standard in the NFL in the wake of the Richie Incognito/Miami Dolphins report. The article starts off indicating that NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell contacted some former players to discuss the idea of a new professional code. The first player quote in the article was Jason Avant tellign Goodell “we need you to set standards. We need you to make it black and white. We need standards, and if we don’t meet them, we shouldn’t be here.”

Stand up quote from a stand up guy and a great example of the values of a Michigan Man in light of what par has become in the NFL.

 

Here's your link: http://mmqb.si.com/2014/02/17/jonathan-martin-michael-sam-monday-morning-quarterback/?eref=sihp

Gustavo Fring

February 17th, 2014 at 10:27 AM ^

This makes perfect sense to me.  Avant has been a steady presence on the Eagles, not only in his ability to make big catches (particularly on third down) but also in the locker room.  This is an extremely young team, particularly at the skill positions, and I think Avant has been one of the guys who has been instrumental in the maturity displayed by the team.  I have to think that he has also had a very good effect on Desean Jackson, who came in the league as a one-trick pony with a mouth that moved faster than he did, and he has evolved into a multi-level threat with greater perspective.  Have to think that his improvement on and off the field has had quite a bit to do with Avant

rob f

February 17th, 2014 at 10:31 AM ^

One of my all-time favorite Wolverines, and not just for what he brought to the playing field.  From what I've read about him many times over his career, his leadership and maturity stood out from day one, both at Michigan and in the NFL.

GoWings2008

February 17th, 2014 at 10:32 AM ^

and while I was reading it, a question popped into my mind for the perusal of the board...I'm curious to know what others think.  The last time I played organized football was 9th grade, then I concentrated on swimming only.  We had freshman "initiation" or a form of paying your dues, but I would never call it hazing.  My coach kept a close eye on us.  However, it was all in fun. 

My question is:  Is the hazing we read about, and this article mentions (some being acceptable, some not), designed to help the players be better players? 

I mean, these guys are being paid a shit-ton of money to win football games.  Shouldn't everything done in and out of that locker room, on the field, performed by all members of the organization, be designed towards the end of winning?  I get "tradition" and I get organizational personalities...but is the hazing that goes on often times taken further than it should be as it becomes counter-productive to the W/L column? 

JHendo

February 17th, 2014 at 10:44 AM ^

Unfortunately, I think "hazing" in football is done by testerone filled adolescents trying to bond with other players in the complete wrong/confusing way.  When I played football in high school, I was guilty of it (but our hazing was much more tame than what people immediately think of when the subject  is brought up, as I'm sure your experience with hazing was as well).  Is it necessarily done to win games?  Of course not, at least not directly.  It is a twisted way of thinking you are building commraderie among teammates and having fun with it at the same.  I never thought twice about what I was doing to younger or maybe "less impactful" players as innapropriate.  But then again, I very seldom thought twice about anything I ever did as a teenager.  I would, however, expect professional athletes to be, you know, more professional than a kid going through puberty.

madmaxweb

February 17th, 2014 at 10:47 AM ^

I think there is some hazing that should be acceptable and some not. The kind of singing your fight song or carrying a veterans pads in training camp, stuff harmless like this should be acceptable. Putting players down or harmful actions whether it be through word or actions should not be allowed and that is borderline bullying. Hazing, if done correctly, can have a good effect on younger players but keeping them level headed as many came in as the best players on their college team and they need to realize there place.

JeepinBen

February 17th, 2014 at 11:20 AM ^

I think that "knowing ones role" as a rookie/freshman is important, but I think that from captains or coaches it can come in such a way that it isn't hazing and establishes what's OK and what's not.

On my high school hockey teams the Freshmen were always in charge of picking up pucks at the end of practice. That came from the coaches, and it was known and done. I'd say that's similar to carrying pads etc. Having a rookie fight song sing and/or talent show like I've seen some teams do is fine. If the rookies are in charge of bagels for meetings, OK. In general, treating the rookies like a group in such a way as the coaches deem OK is fine by me. Taping individuals to goal posts, $30,000 dinners, etc. crosses the line in my mind, and I think yours as well.

Having rookies do "team jobs" (pucks, pads, etc) I wouldn't even call hazing. That's not designed to embarass. If coaches and/or authority figures were more involved, this never would have spiraled out of control.

tasnyder01

February 17th, 2014 at 12:12 PM ^

The unfortunate part is that you don't know if it helped until AFTER the hazing is done, and that the effects may linger ot that later on the person will gain perspective and appreciate it. For instance, I went to a military school, and got hazed during initiation period. In my opinion, the hazing was "light" (a light rap to the head was the most physical abuse I received). But the initiation WAS painful: push UPS and name-calling like crazy. if you're humble enough/have enough perspective to laugh off the abuse, you can learn from it. If, on the other hand, it gets TOO physical, or too over the top, or you just can't take it (and everyone has their own limits) you NEED to say something. IMO, that's where the system runs into trouble: people are scared of being seen as "pussies" and so they don't report. Or, and this is more common than some people think, although not nearly the problem the previous sentence was, you report "abuse" when there is none, and your superior is fucked because the counselors believe that anyone who testefies for you has been coerced by you and your cronies. . . I think its similar to the Duke rape case in the idea that "the crime you're accused of is so heinous, we in the court of public opinion assume you are guilty". as a personal note, my "hazing" was done properly, and I benefitted from it immensely. BUT, its a hard line to walk for the hazers.

Avant's Hands

February 17th, 2014 at 10:51 AM ^

Always good to read these kinds of stories about Avant. I'm glad to see he has stuck around the league for this long. Of all the great receivers we have had, Avant has had one of the better pro careers and I think his character has gone a long way toward that.

cbs650

February 17th, 2014 at 11:38 AM ^

interesting that a player (employee) has to tell an executive to set the standard for code of conduct in the workplace yet said executive has set a standard for code of conduct in player's (employee's) personal life