November 3rd, 2014 at 9:00 PM ^
Yes but Stanford hasn't really done anything in football besides a few good years with JH that is fading fast. Their basketball team is terrible. The sports that they are good at are because the athletes that play them typically come from richer families. Fencing, tennis, swimming, golf etc. As long as we aren't UNC and shoveling people into fake classes, I'm fine with not everybody having 4.0s and 30s on their ACT.
November 3rd, 2014 at 9:05 PM ^
This isn't really here nor there but a Stanford degree is also a much more powerful recruiting pitch for an elite athlete without pro options than one with big money pro potential. That's one of the reasons Michigan does well in non-revenue sports as well.
November 3rd, 2014 at 9:13 PM ^
I would love it if everyone had 4.0's and a 32+ on their ACT. We are better than the troglodytes of the SEC. Why can't we have Stanford'ish academics and athletics. I am more proud of having a world class research and arts programs than winning the B1G in football or ice hockey. If I had to choose from the two models, I would choose Stanford every day over Alabama.
Secondly, I didn't come from a rich family and I rowed in college. I don't know where this rich kid stereotype comes from for olympic sport athletes.
November 4th, 2014 at 10:32 AM ^
Stanford has, by a wide margain, the most successful all around athletics program in the nation.
Football will take care of itself with the right coach in place, I want someone who can rebuild the Michigan AD from the ground up.
November 3rd, 2014 at 9:04 PM ^
The history of Stanford football is like a mountain range except with more valleys than mountains.
They also do not have a 100,000 stadium to fill and haven't interwoven their image with that of the football program as Michigan has done.
Yost made the Stanford model highly unlikely for UM when he decided to build a 85,000 seat stadium in 1927.
Stanford's current stadium is 50,000. It is closer in size to Rynearson(EMU's stadium) than the Big House.
So, yeah, not likely to happen.
November 3rd, 2014 at 9:11 PM ^
The only thing I want to do like Stanford is put money into the "other" sports so that they're also extremely competitive.
November 3rd, 2014 at 10:40 PM ^
Edit #2: I'm going to take this down...the internet is well, the internet and I certainly don't want to cause any trouble.
However, the comments regarding the AD weren't the best. This person feels the department is divided and the AD has created a culture where it's the admin (usually that means senior staff) vs. everyone else. Questions whether the AD wants to be at Dartmouth and isn't a fan of the priorities. The person did make one interesting comment that Sheehy is more focused on winning and football/men's basketball than academics...so it's not 100% pure academic focus. I found this interesting because ice hockey and lacrosse are bigger sports in that region. In all, no good things to say, no horrible things other than he's a poor fit for Dartmouth. To me, sounds like a better fit or Miami (OH) or a similar school.
Last thought before bed...
For my money, I'd look to guys like Foley and Jurich as I've metioned before. But many don't realize that our two biggest rivals have very solid ADs in Gene Smith and Mark Hollis. Smith has a huge black mark, but he's still well respected in the profession. Hollis is becoming a household name in the profession.
Castiglione (Oklahoma) and Kevin White at Duke are experienced guys, but they're brands within themselves at this point. Jeff Long is getting that way. Big names, but I'd rather have someone who's a little more up and coming.
Love Warde Manuel at UConn, Oliver Luck is also a great AD. Greg Byrne at Arizona would also be a big time get. Lee Reed at Georgetown and Stanford's AD Bernard Muir round out my personal list.
That said obviously don't know every AD or reasonable option like we know football coaches. I can just say I love the way Foley and Jurich do things and I know a number of people who feel the same way. I hope Michigan can follow a similar model.
Edit #3: Didn't know Byrne hired Mullen at Mississippi St.! ...hmmmmmmmm
November 3rd, 2014 at 11:08 PM ^
Hollis didn't hire Izzo or Dantonio. He hired Anastos which was a massive failure so I don't know that you can say much about him.
November 4th, 2014 at 12:46 AM ^
I had this discussion with MSU folk about 3 months ago and they indicated there was a coach search team and Hollis was #2 on that team - I believe Ron Mason was sort of a Hackett person at the time. Not there for long. But Hollis was very involved from what they indicated to me.
November 4th, 2014 at 7:38 AM ^
It's also about simply how you run your athletics department.
Besides, hiring in a lot of ways is influenced by a lot of people other than the AD. Especially for the major programs.
At some schools, the head football coach doesn't even report to the AD, he reports to the President, because he's making twice as much if not more than the AD.
Ultimately the AD is responsible, of course. But when I evaluate an AD, it's about more than just "who did you hire?"
Hollis was a very average AD when he began at MSU, in fact, I'd say even when Brandon started Brandon was a better AD than Hollis if there was some kind of grading scale.
However, with the success of the football program, Hollis has really changed the way they do things and have really gone all in trying to become a better athletics department and not "little brother." I think he's got a lot of work to do on non-revenue generating sports, but MSU football and even MSU basketball despite Michigan having more success have grown. But if you talk to people IN that athletics department, they're excited about the direction of the department.
It's never going to be Michigan and I wasn't suggesting you want Hollis (or Gene Smith)...I'm just saying they're athletics departments, as a whole, continue to move in the right direction. Brandon destroyed both of them when it came to facilities, but in terms of fan engagement, inclusiveness, and just common sense changes...he fell flat on his face (as you know).
November 3rd, 2014 at 10:33 PM ^
November 3rd, 2014 at 8:52 PM ^
Ivy athletics suck. Bring in the Oklahoma Ad or Arkansas AD.
November 3rd, 2014 at 8:53 PM ^
It is going to be a very long few months.
Can we just start threads for ADs we are not "rumored" to be looking at? It will be less threads.
Every name under the sun is going to be floated to show we are not looking solely at "a Michigan Man" and it was a comprehensive search.
November 3rd, 2014 at 8:59 PM ^
All I am willing to say from a mod standpoint right now is that we just cannot get to the point where we are going with "ADC: Bret Bielema" because then we know we have truly jumped the shark in terms of speculation about candidates. At that point, we might as well go with "ADC: Bozo" or something like that.
November 3rd, 2014 at 9:09 PM ^
Could I make a suggestion to have a pinned AD thread on the top of the MGoBoard. Maybe replace it once a week like the Snowflakes threads so that it does not get 49 pages long. All speculation and rumor mongoring can go in 1 spot.
Also if you read this I am unable to create a new MgoBoard thread (can do diaries only) - I emailed admin account but have not heard back, are you able to contact the gremlins who run the site to help out? Thanks
November 3rd, 2014 at 9:09 PM ^
This may work.
November 3rd, 2014 at 9:26 PM ^
November 3rd, 2014 at 9:46 PM ^
That Windsor Bozo rocked in the late 60s and early 70s!
November 3rd, 2014 at 10:36 PM ^
November 4th, 2014 at 9:37 AM ^
CBC but growing up in Troy in the '70s I must have seen the Canadian Bozo at some point. I'll have to go to Youtube!
November 3rd, 2014 at 8:57 PM ^
Particularly in comparison with Dave Brandon.
My h.s. QB was Mike Gillette and our trapping guard became one of Dartmouth's football captains, subsequently Michigan Law. Dartmouth possesses a certain jocular quality about it, up there where bears roam the campus freely and bravely dodge Big Green's myriad hooligan drunks, and Sheehy as an AD seems to have a mindset and scalability that could perform well in A^2.
I think Sheehy would take well to Michigan traditions and run the business just fine while respecting the interests of individual Wolverines. Don't rule him out as mere compromise please, Sheehy could be just the medicine required. Keep an open mind, although I truly doubt Sheehy will receive the nod.
November 3rd, 2014 at 8:57 PM ^
The easiest way to get a pay raise at a smaller school if you're a current A.D. is to 'leak' that you've been contacted by a deep-pocketed school like Michigan.
Doesn't necessarily have to be true.
November 3rd, 2014 at 9:19 PM ^
November 3rd, 2014 at 9:24 PM ^
Actually it probably does. The Ivies want to win, too, just not at the highest level.
November 4th, 2014 at 7:03 AM ^
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November 3rd, 2014 at 9:28 PM ^
November 3rd, 2014 at 8:59 PM ^
Our athletics are okay, but nothing to write home about (with the exceptions of skiing and club rugby). Sheehy hasn't done anything that's caught my attention, but things seem to run smoothly. I do know he is sitting on the school's student life steering committee now, which is an incredible amount of work. The people that I know who have interacted with him in that capacity gave him pretty strong reviews.
November 3rd, 2014 at 9:47 PM ^
didn't they lose like 50 straight football games in the 90s?
November 3rd, 2014 at 10:21 PM ^
No? They were pretty good in the 90's?
November 3rd, 2014 at 10:28 PM ^
i was thinking of columbia in the mid-late 80s
November 4th, 2014 at 6:58 AM ^
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November 3rd, 2014 at 9:08 PM ^
Often I will look at many different shirts before selecting the shirt I am going to buy. Even if I have known I need a new shirt for a few weeks. Sometimes I will even try on a shirt and end up buying a different shirt. If I can't find a shirt I like, I will just keep the interim shirt longer.
November 3rd, 2014 at 9:23 PM ^
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November 3rd, 2014 at 9:11 PM ^
Welp, this is what happens when those who wanted DB gone for reasons other than the football team's performance convinced many Michigan fans that DB was responsible for not landing Harbaugh. Now, shortly after DB's resignation, Michigan fans begin to realize that odds are starting to look like the next AD won't be willing (or maybe able) to spend the type of money DB was willing to spend to get a coach like Harbaugh. Then, they realize, they got conned by people who said DB was the reason Harbaugh isn't coaching Michigan.
But John Bacon is happy.
November 3rd, 2014 at 9:16 PM ^
Hi Bill Martin!!!!
November 3rd, 2014 at 9:34 PM ^
I believe I may have temporarily dated that creature. It was dark at the time.
November 3rd, 2014 at 9:36 PM ^
November 3rd, 2014 at 10:28 PM ^
When the candles are out all women are fair. Now that was the father of democracy !
November 3rd, 2014 at 9:34 PM ^
this whole thing has a very 'careful what you wish for' feel to it.
The greatest gift that Michigan Football was ever given was Yost having the stadium capacity go above 100K. You want to hire AD's that emphasize balance and have a football team that goes 7-5/8-4 every year? Good luck getting above 80K at a game then. What do you see in the college football landscape that suggests balance in any form? We are at full tilt at this point.
I have a feeling that Schissel is annoyed with all fuss coming from athletics. He said all the right things last Friday, but the feeling get coming from is 'this is a huge waste of time'. The guy is no dummy though, he understands that the current and future donors come from a share culutural bond through athletics. Here's the thing though - I don't think he _believes_ it, like you and the other alums do. He believes over the course of 25-30 years they can maintain fundraising while athletics slowly becomes mediocre over the course of natural reasons (bad hires/things not panning out). Northwestern still has a ~$8 billion endowment without athletics being such a big deal. That's what they're aiming for.
Again though, the stadium saves us - in order to keep that thing from being below 80K, they need a decent product.
November 3rd, 2014 at 10:13 PM ^
Hence, vote Cook '16!
November 3rd, 2014 at 10:57 PM ^
So let's say it turns out that Brandon is not as much of an obstacle to hiring Jim Harbaugh as he's made out to be (even though multiple sources say it's true), are you really complaining that you feel like you were conned out of having Brandon as AD? Whether the Harbaugh thing is true or not, Brandon is toxic and UM is so much better off without him.
Btw Bacon's the man. Not sure what's up with all of the anger toward him.
November 3rd, 2014 at 9:13 PM ^
November 3rd, 2014 at 9:15 PM ^
/s. Sort of.
November 3rd, 2014 at 9:21 PM ^
November 3rd, 2014 at 9:37 PM ^
Harbaugh would be great, but you don't let a coach hire your AD. You let people who know how to hire an AD hire your AD.