i like 'em both
Michigan jumps to #25 in the Coaches' Poll
We should have more bye weeks.
Consider that we were sitting around #26ish and that Texas lost to Iowa State and WVU lost to Syracuse.
Edit: Not sure why I got negged for stating that the reason we moved into the polls was because teams at the bottom end of it lost, but alright.
It doesn't quite feel as good as when we have a big win and move into the rankings.
Eh, I'll take it.
The path to glory.
Perhaps that's how ND should Return to Glory. Fold their football team.
That's essentially when TCU and Boise St do..
Air Force (TCU's opponent this week) played Oklahoma a lot tougher than Iowa St (Texas' opponent this week) did. I'm not sure that Iowa St is really a better team than a lot of TCU's opponents.
Seems like that's how it works at my job! About to start taking numerous, and very long breaks!
Huh. I'll take it. The nice thing is that we have a reasonable chance of staying in the polls from here on out. We're better than our next three opponents.
I agree that michigan is better than its next three opponents as long as the team is healthy and doesn't decide to give the game away with dumb mistakes.
is coming on strong, beat indiana better than we did.
That was an incredibly weird game. Indiana outgained Illinois by 100 yards and lost by 30. I wouldn't use that as evidence of anything.
...this forum needs to get over this somewhat unhealthy obsession with the idea that yards are all that much of an indicator of anything. Indiana outgained Illinois because Illinois is more of a ball control team *and* Indiana was playing from behind so they had to press harder while Illinois was probably playing to kill the clock. Its the same reason the Lions have gotten some of the passing yardage they have this season.
...especially in close games. IU gaining all those yards on us was a result of something, but what. Looking into the numbers reveals a boatload of 3rd down conversions. Looking at the tape reveals our less than stellar performance. Stopping those 3rd down conversions takes yards and points off the board for IU, and our time of possession goes up. So I agree that yards don't always indicate the outcome of a game, it can be a starting point to the real root of the problem.
Yes, yards don't tell the whole story, but when a team gains only 289 yards of offense, would you normally expect it to score 43 points? In fact, their offense wasn't responsible for a lot of those. Fourteen of their points were actually scored by their defense (two INT returns), and another seven came after a blocked punt. You can call it a complete team effort by Illinois, but three of those scores were pretty irreproduceable.
in single games, but I would expect that some form of yards per play or per possession is fairly predictive of success over a course of a season.
In fact, yards per pass attempt is a fairly well known success predictor in the NFL. Five or less, rutt roh. Ten or more = Scooby Snacks.
Having two pick 6s against a veteran QB suggests to me that they have a good defense. Watching them, I am particularly impressed with their pass rush. They get off the edge real well, and that creates turnovers. Having a solid pass rush can really mask a deficient secondary as long as you get those turnovers. However, this could be deadly against Denard. Pass rushers who overpursue could lead to big gains for Denard and long pass plays.
Illinois has the best RB in the Big10. I am glad MSU doesn't have to see him again this season.
Of bad news for us. Because that sounds way too familiar.
I think it's useless to compare common opponents with Michigan because their offensive and defensive situations are so unique.
First of all, Michigan's offense > Indiana's offense. So forget about 13 points. And then Illinois, led by a freshman QB, has got to have a point ceiling against any defense and it's got to be somewhere around 43 points.
The only winning move is not to play.
For Global Thermonuclear War...
Not losing has its rewards.
We didn't lose. So yay? I guess?
weird, we should be able to make somewhat of a climb in the polls after michigan gets to 8-2
Non-loss = win?!
bye week bump!
Now, time to take care of business- please sweep the next three games and put 2009 to rest forever!
Usually we move the other direction when we are inactive, especially at the end of the season...
Sweet. We were at home eating cheeseburgers and we moved up in the polls.
for his sheer quotability.
Edited to add: and for the regularity with which we beat his teams. NDNation panicking aside, Brian Kelly scares me a little bit.
Weis wasn't quite the John Cooper clone people make him out to be. We went 3-2 against him. He's the only ND coach in the last 15 years to win in Ann Arbor (in 2005).
As for Kelly, I was worried about him earlier, but I don't know now. Getting blown out by Navy (not even a particularly strong Navy team) is stunning.
drinking chocolate milk.....
I see what you're doing there but http://lmgtfy.com/?q=at+home+eating+cheeseburgers+polls
I'm not actually annoyed with you for not getting it. I just really love lmgtfy.com and haven't had a chance to use it in a while.
for breakfast before the game, at halftime, and at the press conference afterward.
Michigan is coming off two straight losses to MSU and Iowa, has verifiably one of the worst defenses in the nation, and yet moves up in the polls while taking a weekend siesta.
You know what's next, don't you? The way this season is going, Michigan proves the Coaches completely right and blasts PSU into the bleachers during a White Out game next Saturday.
They're not voting, so the coaches poll is a sham. I understand that's the poll we have to deal with, but after they gave Osborne a going away present in '97, I'm not interested in giving them the time of day.
and nothing on going through the motions of voting in the Coach's Poll, I'd leave standing orders of something like "Drop the losers down 6-10 spots, and fill the voids by bumping everyone else up."
I don't understand why you guys are surprised, we lost to the #5 and #19 teams in the country. And who is ranked lower than us that should jump us?
What do South Carolina, Iowa, Arkansas, Virginia Tech, Miami (FL), Mississippi State, USC, and Baylor have in common?
They are all 2 loss teams that are ranked ahead of us in AP and/or Coach's Poll.
Our only two losses are to Top 25 teams where we repeatedly shot ourselves in the foot, so I think it's only fair we get some poll consideration. We need to win to stay there, of course.
I can tink of a few time when we had a buy week and somehow another team who was also on a buy week jumped us. Not sure of the year, but I think it was Miami. The headline read.."They must have looked better in practice"
I guess me not watching any games while going to a farm with my wife is the trick. Guess I'll have to miss the rest of the season too, damn.
The voting coaches have seen that after many years of "he who will not be named", and the cost to 2 coaches their jobs, a competent player is now at Middle Line Backer.
Lol, I was thinking that very thing might happen as a host of teams lost yesterday. Cool...
24 more bye weeks on the schedule?
they play Bama in a bowl. Cinny '09 all over again.
would lose to Boise State and TCU pretty bad.