Michigan Hockey vs Duluth
I just wanted to put this in a post that all of us could agree in.
We got dominated. Literally. I am the biggest Michigan hockey fan on this site probably. I know the game, but we were not the better team. Damn!
The unfortunate thing about tonight was the disallowed goal that should have counted, and the shitty refs. We literally got screwed on numerous calls, or non-calls.
I feel like shit, but I never expected our team to make the Frozen Four, let alone the championship in overtime. These kids played harder than I have seen a team (thats across all sports I have watched) in a long time (professionally and collegiately).
There are not any moral victories in sports (even if coaches say so), but I was proud of this team.
Go Blue!
ps. I'm so mad we lost but tried to keep my self together.
April 10th, 2011 at 12:26 AM ^
Eh, I don't really thing we we're dominated. For a team that spent one entire period of the game shorthanded, I think we did alright. We would have been much better in OT if we were avoided so many dumb penalties earlier in the game.
April 10th, 2011 at 12:29 AM ^
No, honestly we were dominated. I watched the entire game. They were the better team. We gave up horrible penalties (that were actual penalties) and got penalties (that were not ones, just bad calls).
If you rewatch the game, we were beaten by a better team. They played better tonight.
It sucks, but the point is this: I am proud of this Michigan team, we out played expectations and unfortunately were defeated in a tough loss.
April 10th, 2011 at 12:42 AM ^
No we were not dominated. We had better scoring opportunities than UMD for three periods, when were not being bent over by the refs, who were calling icing when we dumped the punk right outside of UMD's blue line, or calling hooking penalties when our stick was not even near the UMD player.
We got dominated in OT that should never have happened if the ref was in position for our disallowed goal.
It does suck, but we were not dominated.
We obviously watched different games.
April 10th, 2011 at 12:52 AM ^
MichiganStudent knows a fair amount about hockey. I think I'm going to side with him about this.
That alone....
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<br>We ALL watched the game, and MichiganStudent saying he watched the whole thing, like the rest of us were flipping channels is almost as silly as him calling himself the biggest hockey fan on this site. I mean, hey, it's not me, but such statements are just credibility losers. If his name is accurate, there are people who have been watching Michigan hockey since before he was born. I don't think he can claim to a bigger fan than say, Brian.
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<br>We were outplayed tonight, but certainly not dominated. And not by a "better team". Taking dumb penalties is not caused by them being better, it's by Michigan playing worse. Add some bad calls to go with it, and a disallowed goal due to the dumbest rule in all of sports, and even playing the worst game of the Tournament, we can still win this game 3-2. That doesn't sound like domination by a better team, it sounds like a better team playing poorly, and getting none of the breaks, vs. a team that played a good game.
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<br>Just like the ND game Thursday, the team that played the best won, but it wasn't the better team that won.
Just wondering, did you ever play here? Or been involve intimately with Michigan Hockey?
I know what I am talking about.
We lost a game we could have won, but shouldn't.
Are you a player? Because if you're a student and a player, shouldn't you be in St. Paul?
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<br>I don't need to whip out my epeen to match your "claimed" one. Suffice to say, there are a LOT of people on here who have been intimately involved in Michigan athletics. You're not special. So stop acting like you know more than everyone else just because you say so.
Okay, what have you played?
You have nothing on me, nor will you ever. Is this a dick measuring contest.
What I have on you is the fact that I watched the game with my girl and she was in her underwear...
Damn it. Mine was fully clothed,
tht they made clothes for blow up dolls.. way to go the extra mile..
You have nothing on me, nor will you ever.I would say M-Wolverine has "not being an arrogant dick who thinks a profile picture and his word alone makes him the ultimate authority on hockey" on you.
Is you. You're the one claiming you know more, care more, and are more intimately involved than anyone else. If you want to come off like a know it all, but then play coy when you're called on it...
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<br>Again, I'm not talking just myself. I know what I have on you...being involved and around Michigan athletes, athletics, and the department probably since you were in diapers. But due51 player football, for example. Lots of people anonymously, or less so have been involved, and don't come on here giving ultimatums on the "Final Word" on a game or anything because they "know more". So yeah, lots of people have that on you.
I'm not logging in just to change it...he'll forgive me...lol
I wasn't trying to be hockey messiah.
I was just trying to be hockey involved person. I don't care what people think, I'm just trying to be a positive member of this board. Sorry for my opinion. I'm not smarter than you nor anyone else who wants to discuss this material.
I don't care what people think, I'm just trying to be a positive member of this board.
You are failing miserably at this goal and drifting further and further away with each post. Just stop. For the record, this IS stupid shit (regardless of how high your opinion of yourself is) and you should probably post it either as a comment on one of the already relevant established threads or as an invisible note in your brain if you're going to get all offended when people call you out on it.
But telling people so, and that's why you're right, is just bad form.
Long way from we were dominated by a better team...
First and foremost, i dont think being involved with the Michigan hockey program has any bearing on how much you understand hockey. You just come of sounding like a dick. Maybe just illustrate your reasoning with solid arguments and examples instead of "do you work here?"
Secondly, we took a lot of stupid penalties. Did UMD get the breaks on the calls? sure. Did Michigan just end up a half step to slow at times? Sure. Regardless, we had 10:00 of man down time they didn't.
Third, even with all this extra time they boasted one of the best PP units in the friggin country, and we allowed ONE goal, on a flukey bounce back. . They only scored once (the last one) on a legitimate goal. First goal had eyes and luck, second one was just ridiculous.
Fourth. That ref waits anoter 1/2 second to blow his whistle its 2-0 after 1. ( i get it the rule is "if the puck is out of your view etc" but Ive seen them take longer to whislte pucks dead than that.
Fifth. At no point during this game did I feel like we were going to lose. I think we ran out of legs in OT, but I also thought we could have won it at the end of regulation except for a remarkable sliding save and a blind glove. If we werent idiots who kept icing in OT we could have changed, probably saved that goal.
Sixth, if you are getting dominated the TOP will be skewed. It wasn't. Even with the PP opps.
So, where exactly, besides shots, did we get dominated.
I play hockey and I am also very close to many of the players here as a member of the Dekers, especially Jon Merrill.
So do I. I played hockey in high school and continued afterwards. That was perhaps the most poor quality officiating I can ever remember. They were terrible to both teams. It pisses me off to end to see the officials determine the outcome of the game.
April 10th, 2011 at 11:54 AM ^
Biggest foul in sports....Officials wanting to be a part of the game, instead of in the shadows....UMD played to the top of their capabilities and beat Michigan....Michigan didn't play to the top of theirs, and still almost won the game....Nothing but pride for those boys and the heart they played with all season!
April 10th, 2011 at 12:59 AM ^
Come on, it was clearly not a goal under the rulebook. The goalie had it frozen and we jammed it out from under him after the ref had intended to stop play. Had we been scored on like that, would you honestly be arguing that it should count? The puck was frozen.
The puck was frozen under his ass, feel free to post it. Because, no, I wouldn't have a problem if it was scored on us, because refs are blowing the whistle too damn fast, without seeing if the play is really over or not. Which is the only way the stupid rule even makes a little sense- if you can go on "what I meant to do, my supposed 'intent'", then why not wait for an extra second or two to see if you're right, since you do what you didn't (for any reason you can make up) after the fact?
Too bad video and audio evidence disagrees with you. The puch was still in motion and not frozen.
you reminded me that I thought the refs were calling icing waaay too much. usually if you dump it from a foot or two behind center ice theyll give you the benefit of the doubt but we had probably 5+ icing calls that I thought shouldve been let go. and seriously refs, you almost got carl two broken legs out there. call icing earlier if youre gonna call it
I agree with most of your post except the scoring chances. I thought they had far superior ones throughout the game. The second goal was a weak shot from a player who had a defenseman draped on him in good defensive position and simply a hockey goal. I believe the best chance we had was that shot point blank from the right side of the net (Hagelin maybe).
Overall the better team won, but I am proud of our boys
Just logged in to very much disagree with you. In fact, I thought when things were even we slightly had the better of the play. Problem was (a) we spent so much time shorthanded and (b) then the penalites made us more tentative.
I do not agree that UMD was the better team. They clearly were dangerous on the power play but didn't create that much at even strength.
April 10th, 2011 at 12:34 AM ^
April 10th, 2011 at 12:47 AM ^
the game was hard to watch at times,it seemed they held the puck in our zone all damn night. It sucks but now thats the basketball team and hockey team that overachived.Lets hope football is next! By the way Hunwick is still the man!
April 10th, 2011 at 12:29 AM ^
It seemed like Michigans game plan was not to lose the game.
April 10th, 2011 at 12:58 AM ^
We were outplayed, badly. We were not the better team. We got beat to every loose puck, took dumb penalties (the reffing was fine), and lost a large majority of faceoffs. You really can't argue otherwise unless I suppose you watched a completely different game.
If I ever hear, "Connolly wins the draw" again, it'll be too soon. It seemed like even when we won the draw the UMD players came around and took it before our guys could get there.
I think we'd beat UMD in most games, but we should know better than most that the better team doesnt always win. UMD wanted it more and played to win it more. I thought we were playing too timid. Lost way to many faceoffs; it felt like UMD was winning like 80+% from the 2nd period on. Lost way to many one-on-one battles. We iced the puck way too much. Took way too many penalties (justified or not) and generally got outplayed. It's a testament to how good our team was that we came from behind to beat UNO, stiffled CC, shut-out NoDak and even held in there against UMD. At the very least, given the 4 frozen four teams, if it wasn't us, I wanted it to be Duluth
Only the biggest homer is saying we deserved to win. But your lost a close game because they played better is a far cry from getting dominated. So your post doesn't really agree with the OP, other than the fact that the team that played better today won.
Yeah, that's what I saw, too. I think this summarizes it perfectly. Frankly, this is exactly why I'm not even all that upset about it anymore (although, obviously, I would have wanted it to turn out differently); the better team tonight won. The fact that Michigan had any chance to win this game at the end is a direct result of two things: (1) Hunwick and (2) a fantastic penalty killing game plan.
My biggest (and really only) complaint about this game (and the whole frozen four) is actually an NCAA-related complaint regarding how they select officials. The rule that requires that the frozen four games be officiated by crews who are from a conference other than the conferences represented by the two teams in the finals is an utter joke. They should be selected on merit, period. Because of this rule, no CCHA or WCHA officials could referee any of the frozen four games and we were stuck with Hockey East / ECAC crews for the most important games of the season. In other words, the best referees in college hockey were prohibited from officiated the most important games of the season because the NCAA perceives that officials would be biased toward their conference's schools. Ideally, this shouldn't be a problem, but the difference in playing style between the CCHA/WCHA and Hockey East / ECAC was glaring in the way that these games were officiated. I was really disappointed in the way that these officials (in all three games) reacted to physical play and more or less made the games a special teams battle. That was really disappointing and I would hope that the NCAA would review this in the future and give their officials the benefit of the doubt that they could imparitally officiate a game regardless of which conference they come from.
Afreakin men. The crew we had both nights has a history with Michigan. Scott Hansen's crew from HE screwed us in OT in the regional at Buffalo by disallowing Ryznar's goal.
Well that Connelly line dominated, that's for sure, even when they weren't scoring. We could not slow them down at all, although Hunwick came to play yet again.
We literally got screwed on numerous calls, or non-calls.
Ew.
Look, I give up. There are lots of athletes on here. No, I didn't play tonight, nor could I have. Sorry for trying to give my educated opinion or experience.
My bottom line is we played poorly, were beaten badly in almost every phase and still had a chance to win because of Hunwick and poor finishing by UMD.
We lost, I'm pissed.
So you're angry, and instead of being a real man and taking it out on your liver and a dart board you post stupid shit on a blog boasting of your "ties' with the program?
Go out and get laid. I promise you'll feel better in the morning.
Buddy, I'm not boasting. I could care less (its over and done with).
Its not stupid shit, its just hard to swallow because its true.
Relax.
You know what contributes heavily to playing poorly?
Spending an entire fucking period down a man.
Really not sure why you guys are off rampaging about how we got robbed. Trust me, Michigan has gotten robbed plenty of times in the past two years, and this was not one of them. We lost, it sucks, but excuses are for losers. We simply did not have the same defensive intensity that we had against North Dakota. Yes there were some questionable calls. However, for all those people arguing about the non-goal (which I agree should have been a goal) please keep in mind that that logic is just flawed; had we scored there it would have been a competely different game, so don't act like if the refs had made the right call we would have won 3-2. Michigan made plenty of mistakes, and Hunwick was not perfect. Right from the beginning faceoff of OT it was clear we weren't going to win. They came out flying, and we came out on our heels looking like we were tired and scared. On the possession where Deluth scored the game winning goal... when they first got the puck into the zone... notice how Langlais and Winnet both wanted the OTHER guy to go get the puck? That's the epitome of how we played for most of the game.
so don't act like if the refs had made the right call we would have won 3-2.Who's acting like this? So we go up 2-0 at the end of 1. Yeah, this changes the outcome of the game...probably in our favor. Up two goals, Michigan probably would be less reckless and draw fewer penalties. In a perfect world, of course...where embellishment penalties are called with some semblance of consistency rather than made up on the spot. How much hockey do you watch? How often do you see power play minutes THAT lopsided, either in college or pros? Only the biggest homers are saying we deserved to win. I'm just mad because I feel that even if we played like we deserved to win, we still would have lost. After the disallowed goals and the first string of consecutive UMD power plays, I had a gut feeling we would lose and there was little we could do to change that.
obviously the penalty minutes were lopsided, but we the simple fact is that we did not play like we were hungry for the win. If you look at time of possession in both zones, they had the puck in our end at least twice as much as we had it in theirs. And for the record, the "we would have been up 2-0" line is again flawed logic. I really don't understand why sports fans always gripe about this. You're assuming the rest of the first period would have gone EXACTLY as it did had that goal been counted. Heck, our first goal was lucky in and of itself... what don't you understand about this? It's called the butterfly effect...
As much as I hate Barry Melrose, he did make a good point when he said that in overtime, teams usually come out flying, and the game is often decided in the first 5 minutes. The fact is, THEY came out flying, and we did not. We had ZERO scoring chances in overtime, and had it in their zone for maybe 5 seconds? I don't care if you're "tired" from killing off penalties, IT'S THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP GAME DAMMIT. Our players did not seem to realize this. The game winning goal just epitomizes our pathetic effort in overtime... we didn't have that killer instinct that they did. Watch Winnet on the last play... it was like he was just skating around in a trance, wishing he wasn't out there. He clearly saw the UMD player skate to the front of the net for a pass, and he KIND OF made a half-assed effort to cover him As the player received the puck, he sort of lunged his stick out when he should hae been knocking the player to the ice.
I don't care if you're "tired" from killing off penalties, IT'S THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP GAME DAMMIT.I'd like to see you do their jobs, dickhead. I don't really care if you made any good point at all, this sentence alone makes you an asshole not worth regarding.
I appreciate the personal attack. Get a hold of yourself, I didn't attack you, you don't need to attack me. You're obviously distraught over the outcome of the game and are now insensitive to logic so I guess this conversation is a waste.
Anyway, it's pretty obvious you don't take the quote in your signature to heart. I'm not hating on the players, I'm just pointing out that if you want to be a champion you have to overcome adversity. In overtime of the National Championship game, it does not matter if you're tired due to penalty kills. If you can't go toe to toe with the other team, you have no business claiming that you got robbed. Yesterday we were beat by a hungrier, more deserving team. UMD went into overtime looking to win a National Championship, we went into overtime looking like we wanted to go to bed. I'm sick and tired of Blue fans piss and moan about how we always get screwed over by the refs; how we were never given chance. I played in plenty of hockey games where the refs were certainly not on our side, so I know, it's tough. But you know what my coach said every time someone brought it up? "Excuses are for losers." It's as simple as that.
I stand by my previous statement. What do you want me to say? "Ohhh, you poor future NHL players, the refs were really picking on you today so I just want to let you know that everything's gonna be okay. I know you were tired, so I don't blame you for not keeping up with UMD in overtime. It's the refs fault you guys lost." :'(
Sorry, that's ridiculous. In the end, everybody is judged by what they do, not what they say. It's like RR, crying about how "the cupboard was bare." As if all the rest of our teams the previous 38 years had been loaded with NFL talent. Really RR, really? Is that what Bo said in '69? When Bo went 6-6 in '84 he didn't toss it off as an anomoly or claim that the team just wasn't very good. He took it upon HIMSELF to fix the problem. And the next year we went 10-1-1. THAT'S how you become a champion.