national champs baby
Michigan in Gunner Kiel's Final Four
May 17th, 2011 at 8:44 AM | 
Pass happy offense
Pass happy offense
May 16th, 2011 at 7:49 PM |
Well, if proximity to home
Well, if proximity to home
Well, if proximity to home means anything to him, Michigan should have an advantage.
May 16th, 2011 at 9:19 PM |
doubt proximity is much of a criteria
doubt proximity is much of a criteria
with Ann Arbor being only 75 miles closer than Columbia. If distance were a factor, IU would be top of his list.
May 16th, 2011 at 9:18 PM |
Hmmm
Hmmm
Now, if we could just get Jordan Diamond and Aaron Burbridge to commit before then.
"I didn't do it. Nobody saw me do it. You can't prove anything." B. Simpson
May 16th, 2011 at 9:22 PM |
soon a Sooner
soon a Sooner
I think he's goona be next in line: Sam Bradford, Landry Jones, Gunner Kiel
May 16th, 2011 at 10:05 PM |
We should really gun for Gunner
We should really gun for Gunner
Even if we have Shane Morris (which is awesome!). I'd rather have someone whose played a junior year in High school.
I know shane Morris looks great on film and has great poise, but I rather have a more known commodity than a less known one.
GMAT score =800 = Defensive POTY
May 16th, 2011 at 10:50 PM |
http://247sports.com/Board/30
http://247sports.com/Board/30
http://247sports.com/Board/30/Kiel-has-not-narrowed-his-list-2298092/1
Kiel has not narrowed his list and Steve Wiltfong spoke to Kiel tonite and he was not at Missouri today. Steve did say that Michigan is very much in the mix
Do you know who I am? DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM? I'M...THE HOKE
May 16th, 2011 at 11:52 PM |
As far as signing multiple good QBs in back to back years
As far as signing multiple good QBs in back to back years
It isn't something exactly uncommon. Maybe a little more now due to all the media around recruiting, but a lot of programs get multiple good QBs (4 star or higher). For instance, Michigan:
2002: Matt Gutierrez; Rivals 4 star, #5 QB
2003: Clayton Richard; Rivals 4 star, #4 QB
2004: Chad Henne; Rivals 5 star, # 3 QB
I'm not going to say it's common, but teams like Texas, USC, Florida have had some similar success, but so have teams that aren't super-dooper awesome recruiting schools in the last decade, such as Georgia and South Carolina.
Again, getting 4 star or better three years in a row is very uncommon, but getting 2 in a row isn't unheard of. It would honestly be rare, but it's my hope the Michigan staff can make it happen. You never know with injuries, or just if a game doesn't transfer, and sometimes having back to back years is a necessity, such as in 2004, when Gutierrez got hurt, and Richard was in his final year before starting his pro baseball career.
May 17th, 2011 at 12:10 AM |
If we land Gunner Kiel
If we land Gunner Kiel
It is because he is as good as we think he is.
I see the scenario playing out like this:
Denard Robinson starts and plays reasonably well as a QB in 2011 (his third year of eligibility). However, after listening to trusted advisors and NFL scouts, he accepts a new role in the offense for 2012 and plays at multiple skilled positions and wins the Heisman Award. He is drafted in the 1st round of the NFL draft in 2013.
Devin Gardner plays some meaningful minutes as back-up in 2011 (his second year of eligibility) and as a primary signal caller in 2012 & 2013. He is denied his medical redshirt from 2010 and enters the NFL draft. But because of the promise he showed in two years at U of M, he is drafted in the 1st round of the NFL draft in 2014.
Meanwhile, Gunner Kiel commits to U of M and enters school for the 2012 season. He redshirts in 2012 and plays sparingly in 2013. However, he gains meaninful experience as an underclassman before being thrust into a leadership role. Note that successful football programs still do this with their talented QB recruits! In 2014, he is a true leader and performs well. But he forgoes the temptation to enter the NFL draft in 2015 in order to gain another year of experience and a chance to win the national championship. He dominates the B1G and all of college football and leaves for the NFL draft one year early in 2016. He becomes a 1st round draft pick because is is as good as we think he is.
While all of these scenarios are playing out, Shane Morris commits to Michigan in 2013. He redshirts this first year. And like Gunner before him, he gains experience as a back-up and wins the respect of his teammates in 2014 and 2015. Then, in 2016 and 2017 he takes over as a starter and leads the team to a national championship in 2017. He too will leave for the NFL (in 2018) and become yet another 1st round draft pick.
Finally, because we had 4 quarterbacks leave for the NFL and become 1st round draft picks, Michigan no longer needs to give schollies to the nations quarterback prospects. Instead we offer "preferred walk-on" status to the nations elite QB's and once again earn the reputation as the QB factory for the NFL.
And with the extra scholarship that wethen have each year, we will award a second scholarship to an elite kicker or punter so that we can build one national championship season after another!
If we're going to have war, let it begin on Canham's carpet. Bob Ufer
May 17th, 2011 at 12:22 AM |
Really?
Really?
I stopped reading after "However, after listening to trusted advisors and NFL scouts, he accepts a new role in the offense for 2012 and plays at multiple skilled positions and wins the Heisman Award."
EDIT: After looking at your join date I assumed you have yet to read the multiple threads discussing that topic. I'd recommend it.
"Þetta Er Ágætis Byrjun" Turtles!!! Formerly Dlash15
May 17th, 2011 at 12:23 AM |
Whoa.
Whoa.
What a great vision to lay on a guy at half-past midnight on a so-so day. That's interesting conjecture about Denard after this year; if it happens, it'll be a senior season for the ages in Ann Arbor, with senior Denard and junion Devin on offense. The only issue I see with Denard as a prototypical wideout is, of course, his height, but his athletic gifts more than make up for not being more than 6' tall.
Abort, Retry, Fail?
May 17th, 2011 at 12:39 AM |
Yep. Taken in the first
Yep. Taken in the first
Yep. Taken in the first three rounds of the past five drafts were the following receivers that are 6'0" (Denard's listed height) or shorter:
2011 Titus Young and Randall Cobb
2010 Golden Tate
2009 Jeremy Maclin and Percy Harvin
2008 Donnie Avery, Eddie Royal, DeSean Jackson, Dexter Jackson
2007 Ted Ginn, Anthony Gonzalez, Steve Smith
That's about two per draft. I think Denard could find himself in a similar situation, especially if he's gotten Heisman hype for three straight years and we get closer to baseline in terms of team performance.
May 17th, 2011 at 1:38 AM |
this is silly
this is silly
of all the college quarterbacks who entered the nfl as wideouts, the VAST majority of them remained quarterbacks throughout their college career.
think about it - why would you switch to a completely brand new position for the LAST year of your college, and risk not having it pan out (which is very likely), when you can stay in the position you excelled at your entire college career.
if he listens to a so called NFL advisor with a brain, then he will remain a QB because you can showcase your atheletic potential there as:
matt jones, randle el, randall cobb, julian edelman, off the top of my head all did.
unless denard fails miserably this year, this is a stupid debate.
QDE...morons....telling a heisman candidate to switch positions....smh
"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." -Evelyn Beatrice Hall
May 17th, 2011 at 12:54 AM |
With top flight QBs
With top flight QBs
With top flight QBs considering us, it's back to the future. Michigan is an NFL QB school and should sell the heck out of that.
May 17th, 2011 at 1:31 AM |
i like morris' smooth
i like morris' smooth
i like morris' smooth throwing motion over kiel's overly mechanical release where he cocks his elbow high.
with that said, anyone who doesn't want the #1 qb because we already have morris the year after him is an idiot.
you take the best qb you can get, every. single. class. anyone who doesn't understand that knows nothing about how great programs are built
"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." -Evelyn Beatrice Hall
May 17th, 2011 at 1:35 AM |
I'm okay with Denard leaving the QB position
I'm okay with Denard leaving the QB position
But only if he's 100% behind the decision.
May 17th, 2011 at 11:42 AM |
Oh please let it be true!
Oh please let it be true!
| Gunner Kiehl | Michigan | Missouri | Alabama | Oklahoma | |
| If he's a 5 Star | 26.1% | 25.4% | 24.9% | 23.6% | |
| If he's a 4 Star | 26.3% | 25.5% | 24.9% | 23.3% |
May 17th, 2011 at 4:00 PM |
4 Star + QB Recruiting UM CAN DO!
4 Star + QB Recruiting UM CAN DO!
"Again, getting 4 star or better three years in a row is very uncommon, but getting 2 in a row isn't unheard of."
One of the best examples of this strategy is the Cal Bears. Consider this QB recruiting record since 2003:
2003 Aaron Rodgers - 3 Stars JC Transfer
2004 Nate Longshore - 4 Stars
2005 (2) Joe Ayoob - 4 Star JC AND Kyle Reed - 4 Stars
2006 - Kevin Riley - 4 Stars
2007 - Brock Mansion - 3 Stars (over Bama, Tex, Tenn)
2008 - Beau Sweeney - 3 Stars (Zonas, Oreguns, Colo)
2009 - Allan Bridgeford - 4 Stars (Neb, Stanfurd, TTU)
2010 - Austin Hinder - 4 Stars (ND, FSU, Bama, Stan, UCLA)
2011 - Kyle Boehm - 4 Stars (NW, TTU, ASU, UW)
2012 - Zach Kline - 4 Stars and #2 QB behind Kiel. Also recently picked up 2 more NFL Elite Camp MVP honors.
Pretty good list of consistent Elite 11s and only 2 transfers (Reed in 07 and Sweeney last month). BUT...such a crapshoot that even with all those on roster Cal just named a former 2 Star and Buffalo transfer Zach Maynard the 2011 starter.
Lucky to have rooted for Blue & Gold since Mich HS (Portage Central #1 in Baseball)!!!
PS Even UCLA got 2 Fives and 2 Fours over a 4 year span...as messed up as they are.
May 17th, 2011 at 4:50 PM |
He hasn't released a final 4,
He hasn't released a final 4,
He hasn't released a final 4, not that I think ND is in good shape, but that list isn't a final 4.
Current Smug rating: "lethal"
Yes, Mizzou throws the ball a lot, but a lot of scouts had questions about Gabbert and the offense he was in. He didn't throw many touchdowns coming from a pass happy offense and they ran a lot of short timing routes, somewhat similar to Rich Rod's where they find soft spots in zones. This isn't exactly what all NFL teams are looking for, and we heard a lot about upgrading to a big boy offense with precision routes and leading the receivers to the ball. Just a difference in philosophies, and both could produce great NFL QB's, but it did surprise me just how many people were down on his overall passing game coming from a pass first offense.
Like a blind man at an orgy, I was going to have to feel my way through