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May 8th, 2012 at 12:36 AM
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Michigan Football Legends

Probably has been discussed before, but besides Desmond Howard, who else deserves to be considered a Michigan Football Legend?  Obviously the overwhelming choice would be Woodson, but who else among the greats of UM, have earned legendary status?

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May 8th, 2012 at 12:43 AM
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OT: The Tigers need some

OT: The Tigers need some better relievers.

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May 8th, 2012 at 12:45 AM
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Tom Harmon

Tom Harmon

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May 8th, 2012 at 12:46 AM
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And yes, the Tigers bullpen

And yes, the Tigers bullpen is a joke.

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May 8th, 2012 at 1:25 AM
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Another joke? The Tigers

Another joke? The Tigers offense. For something that's supposed to be a team strength, they've been struggling a lot lately. Getting 2 runs against the Mariners is not acceptable

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May 8th, 2012 at 1:41 AM
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Well alrighty then.

Well alrighty then.

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May 8th, 2012 at 1:54 AM
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Well,

He certainly illustrated the diversity of the word.

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May 8th, 2012 at 1:44 AM
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You misspelled your name,

You misspelled your name, there is an extra "i" before the last "L". 

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May 8th, 2012 at 2:01 AM
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Next comment like that gets

Next comment like that gets the banhammer, sir. Tread carefully.

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May 8th, 2012 at 2:19 AM
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Because of his grammar?

Or because he's an asshole?

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May 8th, 2012 at 2:56 AM
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We'll go with the latter,

We'll go with the latter, though the grammar was rather offensive as well.

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May 8th, 2012 at 2:01 AM
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I can't tell if you're drunk

I can't tell if you're drunk or just an asshole, but either way. I never said the bullpen was off the hook, blowing a 2-run lead in the bottom of the 9th blows. But considering the opponent, and how well Fister was pitching, it should have been more than just a 2-run lead, like a lot more

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May 8th, 2012 at 2:14 AM
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Either way

I'm still laughing. I wonder what it's like to be that pissed.

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May 8th, 2012 at 12:47 AM
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Tacopants

Tacopants

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May 8th, 2012 at 12:52 AM
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Rich

Rodriguez.

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May 8th, 2012 at 12:55 AM
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Jake Long, guy was so good,

Jake Long, guy was so good, UM had to create a statistical category for him

 

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May 8th, 2012 at 11:57 AM
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The only player from Michigan

The only player from Michigan to be taken #1 overall in the draft

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May 8th, 2012 at 3:29 PM
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He's the only one...

since the merger. Tom Harmon was taken first overall by the Bears in 1941.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/alltimeno1

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May 8th, 2012 at 12:54 AM
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Carter is another obvious

Carter is another obvious choice. The 1 jersey could end up pretty crowded.

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May 8th, 2012 at 3:50 AM
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Probably less obvious since

Probably less obvious since he was arrested three times for beating up his wife.

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May 8th, 2012 at 12:41 PM
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Yea probably would be a lot

Yea probably would be a lot easier to honor him if he only lived on the football feild. i hate being reminded that legends of my childhood were real people with flaws and stuff.

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May 8th, 2012 at 1:00 AM
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Yeah, the #1 jersey, I don't

Yeah, the #1 jersey, I don't think that should ever be tagged as legendary.  Wearing that number is an honor in itself.

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May 8th, 2012 at 1:20 AM
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Yale Van Dyne.  Obvious pick.

Yale Van Dyne.  Obvious pick.

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May 8th, 2012 at 2:02 AM
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careful.

I certainly appreciate the invaluable insight of Russ.

Russ stated, “Yale Van Dyne, the epitomy of slow, possession, white guy.”

It’s slightly annoying to read an outside observer, refer to me as the epitomy of slow. (Russ, how fast do you run the forty?)

I’ll say this; Keith Jackson used to refer to my teammate, Chris Calloway as, “the speedy little reciever from Chicago.”

Jackson and Bob Griese referred to me as, “the hard working”, " “overachieving”, “coach on the field” (thanks for this one, Russ) or whatever euphemism popped into their heads.

Cam Cameron, (my college coach and current Chargers’ offensive coordinator) was quoted in, The Wolverine, “Yale Van Dyne is bigger, faster and stronger than Chris Calloway and he had the fastest agility times on our team, including Desmond Howard and Derrick Alexander” (high compliments for “the epitomy of slow”) 

 

My coaches and teammates never referred to me as slow. Fortunately, they were blinded, (not by my speed) and, not as adept at assessing talent as Russ.

Yale Van Dyne

by Yale Van Dyne on Aug 20, 2006 6:15 PM EDT

 

http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2006/08/03/white-wide-recievers-fight-discrimination/

 

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May 8th, 2012 at 1:33 AM
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Mr. President.

Perhaps Gerald Ford?

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May 8th, 2012 at 2:18 AM
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Absolutely

I'm not in favor of honoring people that achieved major success after Michigan (Tom Brady). Gerald Ford is the exception.

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May 8th, 2012 at 1:33 AM
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Charles

All you need is the first name.  Charles.

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May 8th, 2012 at 2:01 AM
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Next should be....

all of the retired numbers, then Woodson. The biggest question is how to handle the #1 jersey and what is the standard from this point forward.

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May 8th, 2012 at 9:59 AM
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Not for retired numbers

I don't think the Legends honor is for retired numbers.  The whole point of the legends patch is to avoid retiring more numbers.  If the number is already retired, that is a greater honor (and since no one is wearing it, what would the point be of adding a patch?).

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May 8th, 2012 at 2:40 AM
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GRAND MARQUES

What is your favorite song of all time?

Just another n***a- state property II

Do you own any pets, and if so what do you have?



Fuck lion say what!

i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me

Who do you admire most?

My mom CARLA, dat bitch da shit, i love her i think she da realest bitch alive

Star-divide

Do you have any tattoos, and if so what and where?

fuckin real

When do you plan on getting married?



it dont matta cuz i hope my wife know ima be playa 4 life

Get the number or give the number?

i would have 2 say bof

Romance or Kinky Sex?

it dont matta however i can get it

How do you feel?

i feel like killin somebody so dont be dat person... lol....not really dont be dat person

What size shoe do you wear?

a big enouf size 2 boot chu da fuck up outta here

T-Mobile, U.S. Cellular, Cingular/AT&T, or Sprint/Nextel

sprint/nextel bitch! dey got da best phones

Would you rather be hot or cold?

fuckin warm fuck dat hot shit and dat cold shit Id rather it be in da middle

Would you rather lose an arm or a leg?

what da fuck! i needs bof of my muthafuckin body parts

Opera, Musical, Concert, Play, Performance, or Other?

opera- no, musical- no, concert- maybe. play- no, performance- fuuuuuuuuuuuck no, other- no

What is your favorite clothing brand?

state property, im on my philly shit im on my jawn... lol

Most Memorable Past?

shit i couldnt tell u cuz i dont know

If you had to pick one car, which would it be?

96 impala ss

Your favorite Disney Films?

fuck disney

Why did the chicken cross the road?

cuz he was all fiend out

Do you support Paris?

why should i

Where is Waldo?



Waldo: eaten by fuck lion, presumably.

i killed dat punk muthafucka he owed me money

Favorite element?

i would have 2 go with.............. water



What was your last thought?

why da fuck am i doin dis interview

Firefox, Internet Explorer, Netscape, or other?

i dont give a fuck i just want 2 get on

Who are you going to vote for in 2008?

me

Juice and crackers or milk and cookies?

i want sum milk and cookies

Favorite fruit?

watermelon

Which is worse? A bad laugh or a bad cough?



dam mafucka u just fucked up da mood, i guess i aint sayin no more jokes

Are you a cat or a dog person?

im fuckin wit a rock or a pit just so it can cha cat

Would you rather be blind or deaf?

deaf btu dam neither

Define yourself in 3 words...

im da shit

Do you eat cold cereal at night?

what da fuck is cold cereal

What is your favorite TV show?

the wire

Kill the spider or let it out?

man! fuck dat spider

Do you shower every single day?

shit i at least get a bird bath but yea i shower everyday dis summer its 2 hot not 2

Walking past a beggar, spare change or ignore?

shit ima be askin him 4 sum change

Boat or bus?

bus bitch! i cant swim

Where do you want to travel next?

da future



Fuck Bubbles.

What would you do if Michael Jackson asked you out

I be like yea and den ima rob em', ima steal all his shit and im stealin bubbles and im sellin dat muthafucka

What is your favorite food?



I like 2 licky licky licky licky... lol

Do you read harry potter books?

who da fuck is dat!

If you could have one super human power what would you choose?

come on now i wanna fly i hate walkin dat shit overrated

Have you had a beer in the last week?



shit I downed a forty last night in 2min. and 37sec. yea, beerfest bitch! im ready 4 da boot!

Vitamin Water or Gatorade?

Bof of dem shits is nasty but i fuck wit gatorade

Favorite body part?

my whole fuckin body

Flip flops or sandles?

come on now! what type of question is dat?



What do you do on fridays?

whatever da fuck i feel like doin



Do you like bananas?

do u

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May 8th, 2012 at 2:47 AM
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Context

Here is a link for the confused.

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May 8th, 2012 at 9:52 AM
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I prefer

I prefer people be confused when Grand Marques rolls up.

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May 8th, 2012 at 5:45 AM
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again

For some reason, these parts always kill me:

Walking past a beggar, spare change or ignore?

shit ima be askin him 4 sum change

If you could have one super human power what would you choose?

come on now i wanna fly i hate walkin dat shit overrated

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May 8th, 2012 at 7:50 AM
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#40 in your program

Super Flanker, John Kolesar

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May 8th, 2012 at 10:38 AM
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Kolesar might be #1 on my list

of under-appreciated Michigan legends.

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May 8th, 2012 at 7:57 AM
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Hutch

Dominant in college and pro.

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May 8th, 2012 at 8:10 AM
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I think we're 1 year away

I think we're 1 year away from throwing Denard in there. He gave us great rivalry memories (crossing fingers for that MSU win this year) through one of the more uglier coaching campaigns in our history. Stayed when things got tough, and maintained a great personality and character. Even if he doesn't go on to have a career like Brady or Long, I think he'll be remembered whatever happens.

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May 8th, 2012 at 8:16 AM
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#11

The Wistert Brothers

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May 8th, 2012 at 8:41 AM
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Um

"Probably has been discussed before"

Ya think?

/getoffmylawn

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May 8th, 2012 at 8:50 AM
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/dumbthread

Harmon, Woodson, Oosterbaan, Wistert brothers, Ford, Kramer. 

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May 8th, 2012 at 8:59 AM
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Why Ford?

Why Ford?

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May 8th, 2012 at 9:46 AM
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1. Free up retired number. 2.

1. Free up retired number.

2. Unelected meh POTUS.

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May 8th, 2012 at 10:27 AM
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Fair enough. I guess I wanted

Fair enough. I guess I wanted to be more conservative with the "Legend" patch distribution, but I also don't want to see it only go to skill position players. 

 
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May 8th, 2012 at 10:02 AM
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Dude!

Come on bro'
Where is the love?
Leader of the free world and all that!

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May 8th, 2012 at 10:57 AM
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Oh wow...I meant no

Oh wow...I meant no disrespect Mr. President. I just didn't think you were a legendary football player.

I am, however, a fan of your appointment of Justice Stevens, because I'm a law nerd like that. 

OMG!  THE FORMER PRESIDENT REPLIED TO ME ON MGOBLOG!!!

 
 
 
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May 8th, 2012 at 8:58 AM
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Ricky Leach.  All-time

Ricky Leach.  All-time favorite player bar none.

Sorry Denard.......

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May 8th, 2012 at 10:08 PM
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UMgradMSUdad
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The guts and glue of the

The guts and glue of the Maize and Blue.  He's not quite my favorite bar none, but he one of my favorites.

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May 8th, 2012 at 9:03 AM
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Steve Everitt

Steve Everitt

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May 8th, 2012 at 9:20 AM
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AdamVN1
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How is David Cone not a lock

How is David Cone not a lock for recognition?

 

But seriously, the obvious ones are Harmon and Woodson.  I don't think Denard, as great as he is, has had an accomplished enough of a career to warrant recognition (absent winning the Heisman this year).  Probably no need to consider anyone who has had their number retired, either, since that's a greater achievement than having a patch sewn onto a jersey in your honor.

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May 8th, 2012 at 9:23 AM
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As far as I'm concerned, DH was honored

in lieu of retiring his number. I think we need to look to the retired numbers and how that is going to mesh with the Legendary tag before we start looking for other legends.

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May 8th, 2012 at 9:27 AM
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Even though he has been a

Even though he has been a much better pro than college player, I think we need to go ahead and claim Mr Thomas Brady.

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May 8th, 2012 at 9:55 AM
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Pro football hall of fame?

No question.

Michigan football legend?

No way.

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May 8th, 2012 at 11:05 AM
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AlphaBlue
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I think that has to be part

I think that has to be part of it. He is a Michigan man and at that he is a legend!

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May 8th, 2012 at 9:51 AM
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Two parts: unretire numbers, add new legends numbers

 

In setting legends, first you need to “un” retire (reactivate) the “retired” numbers:
 
Kramer TE 87
Oosterbaan WR 47
Ford C/LB 48
Harmon RB/K 98
Wistert OT 11
 
Then we add the following “legends:”
Howard WR 21
Woodson DB 2
 
Anyone else?
Long OT 77
Woodley DL 56
Brady QB 10
 
My preference: from the last list:  add at least one defensive lineman and one quarterback. That would allow there to be at least one “legend” for virtually every position group.
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May 8th, 2012 at 10:32 AM
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First, +1 for a nice

First, +1 for a nice straight-forward post that's on-topic.

Second ... just curious ... Anthony Carter is not on that list.  Oversight, or did you consider him and determine you'd not include him?

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May 8th, 2012 at 1:25 PM
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One reservation, one oversight

I have reservations about one guy, and overlooked another.

First, I have reservations about Anthony Carter. I agree that he was an incredible receiver. I'll never forget attending the game with Indiana that he pulled out of the fire, so to speak. However, there are two things I would comment on:

  1. I don't know what to do with the number 1, given that this has been held by several players, and is now endowed (is that the correct term?) by Braylon Edwards. In a sense, number 1 honors multiple legends.
  2. There were ugly comments above about AC's personal life choices. I don't know, nor do I really care to know, the validity of the charges made. Having said that, it gives one pause.

The oversight for me is Willis Ward. Reading about what he did, and what he went through, his speed and skill and his role as a trailblazer, makes me want to call him a legend. I would add him to the list. He is Michigan's own Jackie Robinson, someone for whom we can be proud.

Having read about how some numbers were set aside, I think precedent has already been set in honoring someone who has just graduated from Michigan, regardless of what they do in the NFL. Here is a hypothetical situation (highly hypothetical, at that.) If Michigan went undefeated this year, if Denard was clearly the reason this happened, and Denard had tremendous stats, and Denard won the Heisman, well, then I think Denard should be a legend, even if he never played a second as a QB in the NFL.

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May 8th, 2012 at 10:18 AM
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Chris

Chris Floyd

Tshimanga Biakabatuka, aka Tim

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May 8th, 2012 at 10:30 AM
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Touchdown Tim

His performance against Ohio is the best iv ever seen!

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May 8th, 2012 at 10:52 AM
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Why Are People Bagging On Ford

He wasn't just some guy on the team who happened to become president. He was one of the best players on two of our national title teams and was an All Star. 

Sure, he got his number retired after he became president. It's not as though he sucked and they just gave it to him because of what he did afterwards.

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May 8th, 2012 at 1:38 PM
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My favorites from each of my decades as a Michigan fan!

70s...Rick Leach-O. Dwight Hicks-D

80s...Anthony Carter and Jim Harbaugh-O. Mike Mallory and Mark Messner-D

90s...Desmond Howard,Tom Brady, Brian Griese, Jarame Tuman,Tyrone Wheatley and Tshimanga Biakabutuka-O. Charles Woodson and Glenn Steele-D

00s...Braylan Edwards,Mike Hart and Chad Henne-O. Brandon Graham and Allen Branch-D

10s...Denard Robinson and Fitzgerald Toussain-O. Mike Martin-D

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May 8th, 2012 at 3:19 PM
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Rusty Shackleford
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Speaking of Legends

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May 8th, 2012 at 6:50 PM
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Anthony Carter made the #1

Anthony Carter made the #1 jersey what it is.  The great WRs since had the priveledge of wearing Carter's jersey, plain and simple.  If AC had worn the #88 jersey then Braylon, David, Derrick, and Greg would have wanted that to wear  #88.  

It's hard to ignore Carter's off the field issues, but I would still argue that the #1 jersey will forever be his.  I would also argue that if not for those issues Carter would have received the "legend" honor before Howard (who is my all-time favorite Wolverine).

 

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May 8th, 2012 at 9:30 PM
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Completely agree. I was in

Completely agree. I was in high school when AC was at Michigan and saw his feats first-hand. Yes, Desmond Howard won the Heisman, but as a whole body of work AC is the gold-standard for receivers/kick returners in the 35 years I've been following Michigan football.

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May 8th, 2012 at 8:45 PM
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Is it bad form

to relink your own post?

http://mgoblog.com/diaries/who-would-be-michigan-football-ring-honor

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May 8th, 2012 at 10:16 PM
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I hope not.

I hope not.

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