Michigan Fooball. Unfinished Business: Iowa and Ohio St.
Um....isn't there a game with Iowa this Saturday first to take care of? You know that team we havent beaten since 2006?
Not saying I dont agree with your feelings on the Buckeyes but first things first.
We're fans, there's really no danger to looking past an opponent. It's not like we have to spend this week preparing for Iowa. I think we're allowed to think a couple weeks ahead.
Politiely disagree. When fans "look ahead" in their postings they are giving the collective finger to Karma which is never good. Karma will not be mocked or looked past (see post made last Saturday "congradulating" PSU on their probable win over Nebraska when they went up two scores) and when provoked Karma is a more than formable advisary.
Iowa first...OSU second. And for the record it's not like we've owned the Hawkeyes lately as we've lost three in a row and 5 of our last 8.
Edit: See? The OP realized the error of his ways and fixed the post up real nice. Now i have zero issue with it as he put events in proper order. Horse then cart not cart then horse.
Politely disagree?! Do you know where you are? The internet! You know who else "politely" disagreed? The Nazis.
But seriously, I get that the Hawkeyes have gotten the better of Michigan lately, and I absolutely agree that the team needs to focus on this week's opponent. I even get (and agree) that part of the fun of being a fan is taking part in the ritual of the game even if we aren't actually a part of it. But given that we aren't actually a part of it, it seems really silly to criticize another fan for being excited about the game that takes place next week rather than being sufficiently concerned about the game this week. It really ultimately doesn't matter if he's thinking about OSU rather than Iowa, because it has no bearing on the team's preparation for Iowa.
Basically, we aren't the farmers here, so we're not the ones handling the cart or the horse. We're the guys sitting on the fence, chewing on our piece of straw watching the other guys make the horse/cart arrangements (and being highly critical of said horse/cart arrangements, probably, because it is the internet after all).
Iowa has to answer for Santino.
Barzini is dead. So is Phillip Tattaglia. Moe Greene. Stracci. Cuneo. Today I settled all family business so don't tell me that you're innocent. Admit what you did.
Nothing better than this rivalry. Hopefully we can pull off a win for the seniors. Go blue!
we were beat in Columbus, technically
Serious question: Are you drunk?
So you say "fuck that NCAA bullshit", yet you're the one with the 737 days and counting signature....
Drew Henson put on a show that day. One of the best performances by a U-M QB I've ever seen. It's still bittersweet to think about him and what could have been if he'd stuck around.
The biggest "what if..." In Michigan Football history IMO. Of course, there are a few others. *sigh*
Henson was a great QB, and Navarre was not-quite-ready for primetime in 2001, but having recently gone through every loss that season, I think the upside of Henson in '01 isn't quite as high as we think.
It is true that all three of Michigan's regular season losses could easily have been wins, even with Navarre at the helm. Obviously, Michigan would actually have won one of them in a 60 minute game (thanks Spartan Bob!). The Washington game, the most forgotten Michigan loss of all time, turned on a three-play sequence where Michigan was controlling the game until a blocked field goal returned for a TD and a deflected interception-TD (the pass was either a CA or MA, but the bounce was freakish; not really Navarre's fault). Michigan played its worst football in a long time against OSU that year, but still had a chance to win.
So it's quite possible that Henson could have put Michigan over the top in all three losses--but the late Carr era track record always includes at least one head-scratching loss, and it's not unreasonable to think that with a massively under-talented offense around him and a leaky defense, Henson would have had at least one loss.
Then things really get ugly, because Henson would not have saved Michigan against a loaded Tennessee team in the Citrus Bowl. Nor would a hypothetical 1-loss or 0-loss Michigan team have done well against an all-time Miami club in the Rose Bowl. And B1G champ Illinois was sacrificed to an emerging LSU team that Michigan would have fared poorly against, too.
Best case? A great regular season and an ugly bowl loss.
I was sad that Henson left, early, but in fairness he would merely have been a high point of an otherwise weak Michigan team in 2001.
With Henson around, I doubt we'd have ever played Tennessee. We'd have probably won at least one more conference game to go to a BCS bowl. Remember, we went 6-2 that year and finished second to an Illinois team (7-1) that we beat head-to-head.
But the most significant thing about Henson coming back is that I'm sure we'd have beaten Ohio. A win there and Tressel doesn't get off on the right foot with his fanbase, and maybe history turns out differently for both him and Carr.
let's take care of iowa before going on ohio rants. not that i don't agree with your sentiment.
We have a game against Iowa this week. Next week is hate week.
Ugh, what a bummer. Here's hoping that Denard, "Tree, et al. can BEAT OHIO in a couple of weeks. Lets reset some of these streaks.
Also, obligatory negging for use of "UNACCEPTABLE," even if it was meant in jest.
also the reason for my neg
Save this in the file and post it next week.
I want to focus on beating the crap out of Iowa, especially after how last year's game ended.
But I want to hand the Hawkeyes their asses...on behalf of Junior Hemingway.
ahahaha I remember that game. drew henson ran a touchdown in at the end to rub it in on a naked bootleg. The Michigan players walked off the field miming the act of putting rings on their fingers, as a huge fuck you to the buckeye fans. it kicked ass.
also, OP, please make use of these things called paragraphs and formatting.
I wouldn't say we were rubbing it in. If we'd kicked a FG, it would have been 34-26 and OSU could have still tied the game. Henson's bootleg TD clinched the game.
bless you wolverinehistorian
the winning TD was right in front of us, though run to the opposite side of the field.
You weren't far from me, although probably a bit closer.
The CB matchups could be a key factor in The Game just like it was last year. Miller throws a fair share of 10 yard wide armpunts to open receivers, but he still put a couple on the mark to effect last time. Receivers continue to beat our corners deep play after play so unless they play more zone with Safety help over the top we could be in for another shootout.
If they win out, wouldn't they have a good chance of being in a BCS bowl or would I be dreaming.
10 BCS spots available:
Locks: 2 SEC teams, K-State, ND, Oregon, Big 10 Champ, and Big East Champ
The log jam of SEC teams almost assures that a @#13-15 team makes a BCS game.
For a 9-3 UM team to sneak into a BCS game, we need to:
Root for the conference title-game Favorites: FSU to win the ACC, Oregon to win the Pac-10 (Both of these teams are probably locks for a BCS bowl even if they get a loss from here on out... so, if they lose the title game then some other team will make the Orange / Rose Bowl and they will take an at-large).
Root against OU, Texas, Stanford, Oregon State, UCLA, Clemson . With a late-season third loss by all of these teams, maybe UM could sneak that last at-large with the 4 game winning streak versus their recent loss. With no other 2-loss team to take, the BCS would go with making money and fans travelling... so "best" 3-loss team that can pack the stands gets the nod.
Wild card: Kent and La Tech as a 1-loss top-12 team. I don't think either of these teams will be top 12, but, if a 3-loss log jam ensues one of these teams could climb enough to take the final at-large.
Wild Card 2: If Wisconsin beats a Nebraska, would a 10-3 Nebraska team that lost the BIG Champ game get turned down for a 9-3 UM team? (See Sparty and the 2011 Sugar Bowl for possible insight)
|RK||TEAMs (BcsRank) Record|
Kansas State (1)
|2||Oregon (2) 10-0|
|3||Notre Dame (3) 10-0|
|4||Alabama (4) 9-1|
|5||Nebraska (14) 8-2|
|6||Louisville (19) 9-1|
|7||UGA(5)9-1 Fla(6)9-1 LSU(7)8-2 UTAM(8)8-2 SCar(9)8-2|
|8||Florida State (10) 9-1|
|9||Clemson (11) 9-1|
|11||Stanf(13)8-2 OrSt(16)7-2 UCLA(17)8-2 USC(18)7-3|
|12||La Tech (20) 9-1|
|13||Michigan (21) 7-3|
|14||Rutgers (22) 8-1|
|15||Texas Tech (23) 7-3|
|16||Okla St (24)6-3|
So we need to move up three effective spots to get into the last BCS bowl position (10). I think it's fairly likely that Lousiana Tech and the four PAC-10 teams all lose and fall below us, placing us in the #11 spot.
I think our best bet is for both Texas and Okla to fall below us (Texas plays KSU & Okla @WVU, vs OklaSt, & @TCU). Alternatively, we need Clemson to fall below us, and they do face S.Car, but with only 1 loss I doubt they fall below us, unless they also lose this week to Jekyl & Hyde NCSt. (Why are all the agricultural schools plagued by schizophrenia?)
I used some birthday money to buy a couple of tickets off ebay for the 2000 game the night before it happened. Called my friend who was in college in Steubenville. We met in Columbus that morning, parked, and made it in just before kickoff. We were at the top of the upper deck at the apex of the horseshoe, behind the flagpole.
There were a bunch of students for whom OSU football was an excuse to be drunk. It was, shall we say, a hostile location.
And it was marvelous. One of the great sports moments of my life. And the stories last forever.
Yes, living in the belly of the beast has made me hate osu more than I could have imagined before arriving here. I would love to see Denard go out with a win against the buckeyes.
Also, is there any interest in those members of the board who will be in Columbus next Saturday to meet up, whether at a tailgate or some other locale? Would be neat to meet others in person, but maybe too much of a mission to coordinate.
Some possible interest here. I'd really rather not want to share the space with a horde of Bucknut trogoldytes though and it'll be hard to find such a pest-free venue on the 24th..
As far as I'm concerned, we beat Iowa last year.
We lost by eight and were largely outplayed throughout the game. No shame in accepting it, but denying it is ridiculous.
wanted to respond to your posting because, we're like.. cousins or brothers or something.
I'm thinking we are more of twins serarated at birth. I got the buck teeth and you got the red hair.
Live with that. Am i like that kid in problem child?
Btw, i shall upvote all your postings from now on, Brother!
Yup, I'm denying it.
Iowa's win is tainted. Any time an obvious bad call keeps a team from an opportunity to win, I'll deny it. Tell a Packers fan to get over the loss to Seattle. Tell a PSU fan to get over the loss to Nebraska. it's 2012. We have cameras and instant replay. Calls like that just shouldn't happen. Wasn't even close.
I had my first beer....
Only lost to Iowa three straight times, sorry
Seems like Ohio is taking a page from Sparty and going with a new jersey with a chrome helmet ...
Lets all hope it plays out like the Sparty game did
Wooo double post!
I have relatives in Iowa (I don't even know why) and they have been insufferable the last three years. That having been said, The game is the most important of every year. IF I had to choose, I would choose a win over Ohio before any other team in any year.
Thanks for that stream of consciousness recap of our recent performance against Iowa and Ohio and....huh?
Even if the Refs keep giving wins to Nebraska and they go to Indy we can still have a good season. Eliminating all the bad streaks from our dark maize age. Iowa, and [email protected] will be nic emonkeys to get off the back.
Do we have any other streaks that we need to end? Maybe winning in EL. The big one is B1G chanpionship.