Have our coaches reached out to Arnett? Do they want him? Would they take him?
Michigan the favorite for Arnett? (FWIW; place in other thread if necessary)
Coaches couldn't reach out to him until he received his release. Only real way to gauge interest back and forth would be through players (Arnett has apparently been speaking with Devin and Shane among others). Message board consensus seems to be M would pursue him but that's likely just speculation for now.
Michigan's chances too. Looks good for us if we pursue him.
Where did you see this? Not questioning it, just want to see what was said.
I'm guessing Rivals.
Yes, I know it was on Rivals. A scan of their recent articles didn't mention anything, and going back about five pages on the Fort turned up nothing.
Guess I should have said, "Where on Rivals did you see this?"
If you did all that searching and couldn't find it, I'm guessing that it was on their "premium board"
I thought it was rather difficult to get transfers into Michigan?
JOCU to Michigan is hard, but normal state college to Michigan is much more common. although really just depends what he took this past semester I beleave
Junior Ohio College of Universities?
... I beleave.
THE Junior Ohio College of Universities
...we were just calling it Ohio.
I'm pretty sure he meant it was tough for JOBU folks to get into Michigan, what with the VooDoo and all.
NEED MOAR BETTERER GRAMMAR
I think that's only true for JUCO players. Sam Webb has even said that that wouldn't be an issue of JUCO guys took the right classes while at their junior colleges.
I agree with your statement; however, (and this question is for anyone) what players have transfered to Michigan from another "D-1" level school? Panter and Shaw are always cited as JUCO transfers, but all I can think of is Spencer Brinton. Can anyone else think of other such transfers to Michigan?
(BTW, here's an interesting article on Brinton if anyone is interested. Forgot he came from SDSU.)
Edit: and...here's the article http://www.michigandaily.com/content/selfless-spencer
Stephen Threet from Georgia Tech comes to mind.
Wow....yeah Threet is the obvious one isn't it? Can't believe I missed him. He would also qualify for the category of transfering to and away from U-M. Possibly the one ever to do that?
For basketball Robbie Reid, Laval Lucas Perry and the PF from UVA come to mind. It's got to be much easier to transfer in after only one semester.
J. C. Mathis?
You can add Zach Gibson to that group as well. He was a transfer from Rutgers.
CJ Lee was a transfer from Manhattan College.
Steven Threet (From GA Tech) and Grant Mason (Stanford) to name a couple recent ones.
Jonathan Goodwin (part of our great 1999 and 2000 OL) was a transfer from I think Ohio (not the one in Columbus).
Grant Mason transferred from Stanford in '03, but I would imagine that transferring from Stanford doesn't involve as many academic complications as transferring from Tennessee.
Grant Mason transferred... from Stanford. So maybe not the best thing to extrapolate from.
Maybe it was Samford? Naw, who'd ever leave the Bulldogs.
I know from kids I went to high school with in Ann Arbor, they had a much easier time getting in as transfers than they did out of high school. If you went to a real college and did decent it seemed like a shoe-in.
Transferring to Michigan can be easy or it can be a bitch -- it's really dependent on what school you were at before, and whether they follow a curriculum similar to Michigan's. Unless it has changed since a year or so ago when last I looked into it, Michigan's transfer policy is to take your transcript and convert every class to the nearest thing that Michigan offers. If they can't match it, it gets called a General Credits class. They'll go down but not up so for example if you took Roman Emperors as a 300-level course at Tennessee this could become History 213: The Roman Empire, but not History 421: Politics of Late Antiquity.
If too many of your classes don't turn into real courses on a track for graduation, you really can't transfer unless you want to basically start from scratch on your degree. For a freshman this isn't that bad, but for a junior it has to match up. I knew people who have transferred from Columbia and Princeton and Northwestern and none of these were any problem at all. Michigan State proved tough for one friend (who ended up transferring back to MSU because of it) since they seem to make a point of offering things that Michigan doesn't. My own experience was I couldn't get real, honest-to-God courses at La Sorbonne (the Oxford of the Francophone world) that were taught in French to transfer as French credits or anything else credits -- I would have been better off staying in my boring but pre-approved class for international students.
I have no idea if Tennessee is considered a good enough school by Michigan for their credits to transfer as Michigan classes. I do know that Michigan likes to think of itself as a de facto Ivy when comparing your credits at other undergrad programs to its own (something that may not be so warranted) and that this could make it difficult since Tennessee is way below the lowest Big Ten school in academic rankings and such.
Arnett would be huge. It makes the dropoff that many people were worried about at the position almost non existent. I hope Hoke reaches out to him.
But should the coaching staff pursue him? I've heard several comments that there may be attitude or personality issues. He may not be UM material.
I'm not sure what people are basing that on. I also understand not wanting post bad things about a young man on the internet. I will say this: Some people didn't seem to like the way he played with the media during his recruitment. I thought it was pretty funny and that there was nothing wrong with a kid having some fun with a situation in which a bunch of adults are following his every move.
Why not? Lewan suits up for um.
I trust the staff to make the right decisions and bring in the right players. The cupboard is now full, and the recruiting class is already one of the best in the country. Unless you are Wiscy and his name is Russell Wilson, one transfer isn't going to make or break a team.
one great pick up at a position of need could be enough to swing a game or two in the next few years which I am obviously all for.
What is the timeline we're looking at for a decision from Arnett?
Basing this on nothing but (hopefully) common sense, I'd say the Spring '12 add/drop deadline for Michigan and MSU. He basically has to stay enrolled in classes to be academically eligible to play.
Appreciate the info, even if he does end up at MSU, we trust you ha.
I haven't heard anything on the MSU side, but on the UM side..
Fact: It will be a speedy process as per Arnett. The UM staff has interest, but will wait until after the bowl game to reach out to him. (as they should)
Rumors: People form UT believe he has been in talks with MSU for a while, people in the state of Michigan believe he wants UM and will end up there.
Rivals analyst Chris and Tim both hint that they like UM's chances.
So, Michigan has not spoken to him because that would be a violation of the rules . . . but it is rumored that MSU has been in touch? Yeah, that sounds about right.
But Jim Comparoni says that Arnett is MSU bound! He also said that about a dozen other recruits this recruiting cycle. Why Spartan fans continue to shell out money for this hack's premium info is beyond me.
No, he didn't. FWIW.
Just want to reiterate that I trust this guy, but that I'm never going to BKFinest or Raback anything just because I didn't hear it personally.
He said it pretty much comes down to Dantonio and that he felt like MSU was pretty much told by the Arnett camp that he was going to commit and that they were incredibly pissed when he chose Tennessee. He said they don't want players like that there, and despite my dislike for Mork and their program it's a sentiment I can understand if it's true.
I don't understand his sentiment. If Dantonio and the Spartans decided they're going to hate everyone who ever turned down MSU for a better program or school they'd end up....oh wait.
I don't think it's just that they were turned down per se. It sounded like Arnett may have silently committed to their staff and then went the other way without any sort of indication. He just said there was an abnormal grudge being held against Arnett and his camp.
Also, if that's the case, how often does a situation like this ever arise? If Arnett really turned their staff off the last time he was recruited, it makes total sense for them to return the favor if he tried going there this time around.
wouldn't Arnett understand at this point that they hate his guts? Why would he even be mentioning MSU as an option? If I'd done what this guy claims Arnett did to MSU, I wouldn't be throwing their name around as a transfer option. Unless it's just a screen so that he doesn't have to say "I want to go to Michigan."
Even if true, MSU will reconsider. Their entire program survives by taking the few elite kids that for one reason or another don't choose Michigan. They have to take them all.
Valid points, and they're ones I brought up when discussing the situation. He understood, but just said that he'd be beyond shocked if Arnett went to MSU and that it would make Dantonio look like a hypocrite based on comments he's made regarding the situation.
Well, clearly Dantonio would never look or act like a hypocrite so this scenario is impossible.
This thread is the Dantonio douche trifecta. 1 - He's holding a grudge against a kid for making what he thought was the best choice for his future. 2 - He's setting himself up to look like a hypocrite which happens pretty much whenever his lips are moving. And 3 - and my personal favorite, he knows he won't get Arnett when we have Sugar Shane in the fold so he's acting like Hoke can have his castoffs.
Whether or not he is actually considering both UM and MSU, I would imagine that Arnett felt the need to mention both schools to make it clear to Dooley that he was transferring for family/geographic reasons, not to get to (or away from) any particular school.
Not when you recruit nationally......
So he'd be eligible to play as a redshirt Soph. the year after Roundtree and Stonum graduate?
Along with So/RFr. Dorbah and Chesson, RJr. J. Robinson, 5th Yr. Gallon, and Srs Dileo and Jackson
The NCAA has given kids who move for ailing parents waivers to bypass the sit out protion of the transfer rule. This is getting way ahead of things, but there would be a chance he could suit up next year (for whomever).
It is possible that attempting to be allowed to play next year dictated his actions. If so, well, game on. I can't begrudge him wanting to play, and all is fair in love and war against the evil empires of the world.
This would be very good for us, particularly if the NCAA grants him the hardship waiver. I hope that he and the coaches are interested and that this gets done.
Is there a concern that he will have a difficulty transferring since the SEC is like one step above JC academically? We all know it is practically impossible for JCs to get into UM,
Doesn't signing a national Letter of Intent bind you to a school for one full year? In other words, wouldn't Arnett need to stay at UT through this spring?
He can secure a hardship waiver from the NCAA.
Arnett, Gallon, Stonum, and Roundtree could form a very good receiving corp next year.
Arnett is going Blue!
If Arnett goes Blue and gets the waiver to play next year, Michigan will have the best WR group in the B1G IMO. Stonum, Arnett, Gallon, Roundtree, Dileo, and the progressing Jerald Robinson. We might need it to cover up our very thin and inexperienced TE group next year.
Do you mean real irony or Morissette irony? Like, did he originally spurn a MAC school for UT or something?
Rain on your wedding day is coincidental.
Creating a national uproar to stay above the MAC schools, then getting spurned by the B1G and having to go to a MAC school is ironic.
The crusade to rid the internet of all but a super-restrictive set of usages of the word "ironic" is totally ironic (in the Use #1 sort of way).
Man, that site is a little bit of awesome. The "Gayroller" made me literally piss myself.
LOL, this entire theory hinges on Dantionio having principles.
who is holding a grudge against a HS kid for choosing to play football at Tennessee.
That's not completely fair, I mean Mork has clearly done his homework and found out that, at no point during his freshman year at UT has DA put on a ski mask and/or attacked a party en masse with the rest of his teammates. Obviously, he lacks sufficient toughness to play for the Aggies
What happens when we take a guy that Dantonio thought had character issues....allegedly.
We will never hear the end of it
Well he did hold out that starter on D for like 2 PLAYS for breaking team rules.
Good thing he wasn't a long-snapper or it would have been the whole game.
I would like to see this kid in maize and blue. He's a gifted wide receiver and intelligent!
Not to mention Darboh and/or Chesson. Both of those kids have more size than the listed guys and could potentially fight for some playing time. Either way our wr corps looks good, but if Arnett were to transfer to the good guys and be eligible to play right away, look out.
I don't see ANY reason why Dantonio would turn down a 4* receiver....he NEEDS a stud player he can hang his hat on now that we are recuiting the state again. I think this is bs but would love to see him go blue.
Not that I don't believe you, but IMO Dantonio would take a 4* recruit even if he found out the recruit humped his wife.
I feel like based on his history that Dantonio is a hard-headed guy who would absolutely do something like this. I was surprised to hear that they think Fowler/Lippett and even Keith Mumphrey will suffice along with Martin in the future. I think they need him a lot more than we do.
Keshawn Martin is a senior.
Isn't Martin a senior?
Dantonio must not think he looks good in a ski mask.
even want Arnett at this time. It would seem to me that we are about a week off in these stars aligning. We have limited spots and just got our second verbal commit at WR. Maybe Hoke should call Jahu and tell him, "son, you are still welcome at Michigan but your going to be a walk on punter....sound good? It's Michigan fer gawd sakes!"
I have heard that when someone transfers in, it doesn't count against the 25 or 28 player limit, but only against the hard 85 player scholarship limit. If correct, would this mean that we could accept:
- 25 freshmen enrolling next September;
- 3 freshmen enrolling immediately;
- 1 transfer student in (Arnett.)
I'd be nice to know if this is correct or not.
Regarding remaining recruits, I believe that Monty Madaris still has a visit planned, and that Stefon Diggs is still technically on the board. Any idea on how Arnett compares to them?
Obviously, the coaching staff would have to decide whether or not they wanted to take 28 plus Arnett. However, it is hard to turn away 4 star recruits. It also would be awesome to still have space for Josh Garnett, Jordan Diamond, Yuri Wright, and Armani Reeves. Kozan is the only other prospect I have heard much buzz about. Of course, Scout and Rivals have many others listed, but I don't get the sense that any of the other remaining prospects are realistically still being considered by (and still considering) Michigan.
then Jehu won't have to become a walk on punter! Seriously, thanks for the insight, if accurate that does completely change the story.
Physically Arnett is same height as Diggs but lighter (167/185) and slower (4.5/4.43) he played 12 games at UT and had 242 yards and 2 TD's.
According to Mlive he is interested in UM but has concern about if there's enough room for him.
I agree that his releases come across as thoughtful and polished, and I wouldn't be surprised to hear that he had some help with drafting/revisions. But dude's a college student. He should sort of be expected to be able to put fingers to keyboard and have cogent English result.
He would take a crack whore with Taliban ties. He would blow this kid to sign. He is an ohio fan and Tressel is his master.
I work at UT and Dooley was getting a lot of local pressure here to give the kid his release. He has refused to give others releases such as Bryce Brown who was a 5 star running back from Kansas. He had to pay his own way at Kansas State this year.
then screw all that Manball "I" formation crap.
Hello shotgun with 4 wide plus Denard and Toussaint.
Long live the SPREAD AND SHRED!!! Bwahahahahahaha!
Aw screw it.....who's No. 1?
I'm guessing nobody. Roundtree has the best case, but it's still weak
I hope this is true. It would be a true shame if he was fooled by the MSU staff and went straight from one asshole coach to another. On a similar note, I saw yesterday that Treadwell named a top 5 of Mich, ND, MSU, Ohio, and UT... One of these things is not like the others. For those who never learned this mental operation through Sesame Street, 4 of these coaches are probably the douchiest coaches in the nation, and Hoke is a laughing Buddha. I like where our receiving corps is headed.
Apparently they're still considering keeping Lippett at DB. I think he's 6'2 with decent hips and has been practicing there for most of the year. Although I think he was the one mimicking denard on their scout team as well. Point is, I wouldn't count state out.
if only for the fact I would hate to see him catch a touchdown pass against us in 2 years.
Arnett will very possibly get a hardship waiver and be able to compete right away, so that touchdown grab could come as soon as next fall.
Michigan took Ed Kasparek from Notre Dame, Fred Brockington from UCLA. Lloyd took Jon Goodwin from the Ohio U.
It would be funny if the OP's statement is true because everything he said is pretty much the opposite of everything I've read over the past few weeks. I'd be curious about the identity of the MSU-related media member. If it's a writer, I don't think it's anyone from the pay sites. Could be Rexrode from the LSJ as he's probably the most tied-in to the program. The Freep/DetNews guys are generally useless for anything but fluff.
Hopefully Hoke and Co. can bring home the bacon......and land Arnett too.
I believe Arnett needs to take full-time classes at Tennessee to fulfill 1-yr LOI commitment. He had said earlier that he has no intent of going back to UT, and will probably be taking some online courses to fulfill his requirements.
I was wondering if these online classes will fly with michigan, or if he will end up being ineligible?
Didn't see a thread for this, but Jordan Payton is announcing at the All American bowl
Because everyone knows he is going to Cal?
If so, I wonder if Arnett just doesn't want to go to MSU and Dantonio is going all sour grapes on him.
if there's red flags on this kid, I'm not sure I want him at Michigan, but I trust the coaches to do their due dilligence. I love the story about Bo walking out of a kids house when he saw the way the kid treated his mother. But maybe a year has matured the kid some. Either way, this story makes Dantonio sound worse than the kid.