...per video interview with Josh Helmholdt on Rivals. He's not "feeling the love" from UM anymore. Weird recruitment.
Michigan falling with Treadwell, ND rising
I can hear the air raid sirens a-soundin'.
Is this what we were suppose to buckle up for this weekend?
A link would be nice. Seems strange we would let up on his recruitment. I'm not going to worry about it though, I still like our chances as long as he takes his official visit to Michigan. Would be a damn shame if we lost him to ND though, so hopefully we get him.
Thought I rememberd reading that he's not taking an official visit to Michigan. Just an unofficial one. Would imagine that's to just save the free trips for places that he can't easily drive to though and because he's been to Michigan so many times though.
Still odd that Hoke and Co. aren't putting a full court press on this guy.
How in hell do you know that they haven't done that? Please cite a source.
Could definitely be wrong about the full court press thing for sure. Logic just seems to dictate that not enough love = no full court press. Or not pressing hard enough anyways.
As for the visits thing, here's an article from Wednesday that addresses that:
Its paywalled, but the jist is that he's planning unofficials to "Michigan, Illinois and Notre Dame after his senior season" and officials to Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and Ole Miss. He could take two more officials, and one of those could certainly be to Michigan. The unofficials are all local'ish and the officials are all long distance (and paid for) which is why I assumed the cost thing. Could certainly be wrong about that too though. But, you know, logic...
Hopefully he is stringing us along like Will Campbell and not stringing us along like Jordan Diamond.
EDIT: Unless of course he ends up not actually being any good, in which case by all means go to ND.
There was a point when we showed him all kinds of love yet he played hard to get. At some point, the coaches have to evaluate if they're being strung along and decide if its worth their effort.
For as good of a prospect Treadwell is, and for as lackluster as our current stable of WRs are, you put up with a little bit of the hard to get game. That's par for the course with the majority of the elite prospects. Hell, for all we know Treadwell wanted to commit months ago, but headed the "don't commit if you're planning on taking visits elsewhere" warning.
There will be another hot receiver. And the year after that, and the year after that, ad infinitum.
The coaches seem to be pretty good at recruiting, so it was likely Treadwell playing hard to get that turned them off.
Yes there will always be hot receivers, but the interest isn't always mutual, and its been a long time since Michigan landed one. So yes, if we miss out on Treadwell, there's always next year. But it sure would be nice to fill out a fantastic class with a stud at one of the biggest positions of need THIS year.
The thing is, if a kid gives you some fuzz during recruitment, there is a good chance he'll be a bit of a handful on campus. I'm not saying that is the case with Treadwell - I honestly don't know much about him as a person. But we've seen it before with guys like Pryor before, and while I don't think Treadwell is a head-case like him, it still can be annoying for the coaches and they might just not feel anyone is worth the hassle. Given what we've seen from this coaching staff, they are not going to allow kids to dictate how they recruit. I actually like that in the macro sense, even though on a micro-level it may mean missing some top-notch kids.
to take his time and choose the school he feels is best for him, BUT... I'm starting to think this kid is a prima donna, or at least his recruiting is shaping up to portray him in that light.
Smells like the Jordan Diamond string-along recruit all over again... just one guy's opinion.
Shane Morris needs to step up his recruiting pitch.
So does Hoke apparently
Do you post ANYTHING that isn't critical of Hoke or a complaint that more people should be allowed to criticize the coaches on the board? There's room for debate, but you're straight trolling and add nothing to the discussion with comments like this. I can get you a link to MLive if you need it.
People should be allowed to post criticisms. The coaches aren't perfect. This site shouldn't be one big circle jerk, it should be a forum for honest discussion. That said, the kid says the coaches aren't recruiting him as much as they used to or as much as other coaches. You don't get a much better source than that. So saying the coaches should step up their recruiting game isn't trolling, it's a fact. At least as long as they still want Treadwell.
it starts to look like trolling. It might not be, but perception goes an awful long way.
Speaking for myself, I read it perfectly well the first time. The credibility of the poster diminishes with each subsequent post, in my tiny mind.
All I said here was that Hoke apparently needs to step up his game too. Which is what this whole post is about. Treadwell apparently isn't feeling the love as much anymore, and if that's the case, then Hoke and company need to step up their game and give more love. I mean Shane Morris is a fantastic recruiter as Magnus said, but its Hoke and his coaches that need to make the final sell. I mean good lord, that's about as simple as logic gets.
Dude, what the hell is your problem?
Hot dogs are the F-ing TRUTH.
Hoke may have a good idea of the price, and it isn't one that he will indulge in. Criticism is one thing, bad-mouthing when you have no idea of what has transpired tells me all I need to know.
Sadly, they were actually less single-minded than now.
I was thinking the same thing.
He got in his ear and gave Successful Quan the mono
We can't win a single game ever again without this guy. We need him!
Anyone who thinks ND winning the national title would be better than, say, an SEC team should think about cases like this. We recruit head-to-head against ND far more often than any of the other current national title contenders. We should want them to crash and burn against SC and hopefully also in their bowl.
No problem here. I always want ND to lose.
That's why most of us want Oregon or KState to win the NC.
I think ND weakness is good for us, but it also isn't safe to assume that recruiting success has anything to do with signing day perceptions. This year's ND team is built on defensive players and offensive linemen from Charlie Weis's last recruiting classes and guys like Louis Nix who committed a day after Weis got fired and ten days before Kelly was hired.
Te'o was on his official visit during a loss to Syracuse where fans were pelting players and coaches with snowballs. Then Jesus/God/Mormon-Jesus told him to go to ND.
Perception rarely equals reality. SEE: "MSU is getting all the awesome in-state recruits!" followed by those guys going 5-5 now as juniors/seniors.
Talking about ND winning the national championship is scary.. we were basically ball safety away from winning that game
If you are not really interested then there is no point of showing more love day in and day out.
That said, I wish Trendwell ends up at AA.
I think the only development here is that he has noticed ND's "return to glory" this year. But I still think the fact he has not taken any official visits yet works in Michigan's favor. If he is planning on sticking to his timeline in announcing at one of the all star games, he will have just over a month to make official visits and his decision.
We already knew Michigan had came back down to the pack. Only the competition has changed. Michigan will get their chance to sell him when he starts taking his visits in the offseason.
This is way off topic but dont have enough points to start a thread. Me and my dad want to go to the michigan iowa gm this wk and was searching for tickets we are curious as to what row that you walk into when you walk in the stadium hes very old so he cant get up and down a whole bunch of rows once again sorry for being so off topic any info would be highly appreciated. thx...#goblue#beatohio
I don't remember what row it is, but I hope you have a good time at the game with your dad. Since he's getting up there in age, I'm sure you'll have fond memories of spending time with him at Michigan Stadium.
Between 65-75 would keep the steps at a minimum. Have a great time at the game!
Edit: To clarify, that's about 5 steps either way. I'm almost positive that you enter the Big House at row 70.
That must be the upper entrance. We're in row 60 and it's about 5 rows up from the lower entrance, which I'd put around row 55.
Depending on what side of the Stadium you're on? Or do they all open at the same row? Is the paved ground level the same on each side?
below the press boxes. You can buy tickets in this section or exchange other tickets for them at the ticket office (based on availability). I exchanged my season tickets in 2010 to take a disabled relative. The ticket office is very accommodating and did not ask why I needed to exchange my tickets.
This section is basically for anyone that is not able to walk up the stairs (seniors, pregnant, disabled, etc). Also, you can take an elevator up to this section.
If you are exchanging regular tickets I would suggest getting there as soon as the ticket office opens.
Good luck and Go Blue!
You describe your dad as "very old so he cant get up and down a whole bunch of rows." You aren't Herms kid by any chance are you?
In all seriousness, hope you get tix and enjoy the game.
You might also call the ticket office and inquire about the seating for people with limited mobility. Walking up or down the steps is one thing, walking/sidling down between two full rows is quite another thing - it can be avoided by arriving early, of course, or making sure you purchase tickets near the aisle.
It's hard to tell if it's Michigan not showing the love or Treadwell is just throwing out words to 'blame' Michigan when he has long decided not to join the Wolverines. If it's the former, then you gotta wonder why Michigan doesn't show any more 'love' to him - he has dragged way too long and, if you REALLY want to come to Michigan, you would have committed earlier. And if it's the latter, then I don't think Michigan loses out anything.
In either case, Football is always a team game. If he doesn't come, we'll find a good replacement - someone who will commit the next day when we offer.
Michigan has been recruiting him for a long time.He hasn't committed and loves the media,attention.Most kids would give their left nut for a michigan offer.I think after the last couple years(being strung along with a few recruits, and having their ass kissed) this staff realizes hes a long shot not worth the trouble.Either you are a Michigan man or you're not.
The reporting of Tread's recruitment is the Truman show - put him in a surreal setting and thousands of adults will react weekly to ridiculously petty events that are essentially fabricated by the media to generate a response. Yes, Tread embraces the role and plays along with these requests for his emotional leanings.
Time to turn off this show until he decides and creates real news.
I moved on from this recruitment in the spring
I guess some fantasies die hard.
I'd love to have him for four years, but i'm tired of his recruitment. I'm sure he's a great kid, but I like the guys that know what they want and make a decision.
So just because he doesn't know yet, you're ready to toss him to the curb? That's just dumb. So he wasn't ready to make up his mind 8-10 months prior to signing day like the rest of the class. Big deal. He's taking his time, checking all available options, and then making a decision. He doens't have to decide anything until Feb. If anything, by taking his time and exploring all his options, he's handling his recruitment smarter than most. But label him an attention whore and drama queen if you must.
I'm not throwing him to the curb; in fact, I say that I want him for four years. However, i'm tired of every recruiting article and call to Sam Webb asking for a Treadwell update. Just stop talking about him until he commits.
My other point is still valid. I like the guys that look at their schools and decide, even if it's not for Michigan.
Tell Conley he can play wide receiver and move on.
Conley knows he can play wide receiver... but unfortunately he committed too soon and wants to take visits now, or at least his mom really wants him to take visits. Treadwell always loved the attention of the process, so this new development is not surprising. Green on the other hand always stated that he will let the process play out, and the fact that 2 of his top choices will probably be losing their head coaches in the near future, is making him reassess everything.
Where do you get that Treadwell "loves the process" and Green is "taking his tim." As far as I remember Treadwell and Green have both always maintained that they are going to be taking their time, explore all of their options, and will commit when the feeling is right.
Green always maintained that, although according to sources he was considering committing during the BBQ... Treadwell was dropping hints that he might commit to Michigan a while ago and then backed off... then he was dropping hints about Florida... he is the type who likes the attention, so it is not surprising that he wants "more love" from Michigan.
when did he ever drop hints about Florida?
After Treadwell and Morris were at a camp, Treadwell started tweeting all sorts of information about Florida, there was a minor freakout about that on this board because apparently many people thought that he was a Michigan lock.
Yes the fact that he didn't commit at the BBQ shows how much he has maintained he is going to take his time and has been truthful. He didn't let the BBQ sway him to a decision too soon and therefore isn't having second thoughts like some kids have. The rest of your post is.....I don't know. Think you are thinking of Dawson.
Treadwell was not the BBQ, he was at a camp with Morris... Green was the one according to sources who was considering committing to Michigan at that time. Other than that he always stated that he would take all his visits and then decide.
If its Treadwell, great. If not, the find someone who has that speed.
If only Berkeley Edwards was a few inches taller.
To him, hope he picks the right school, we will get somebody else if he doesn't commit. Every year there is a receiver like him, last year it was burbridge, next year there will be someone else.
Is it just me or do we rarely get these big recruits that draw out this process and seem wishy washy for lack of a better word? That's the feeling I get, which is why I doubt we get Treadwell or Green. These just don't seem to go our way, although the chances would say they don't go in any one team's way due to the many offers they have and only one place they go. Usuallly if it walks like a duck, it's a duck. When guys wanna be here they are. If there is rumors swirling they have interest elsewhere, they are wavering in a committment, they take a long time to decide where to commit, etc. it's because they aren't committed to us! They are merely moderately interested in us. Anwyays...I'm not holding my breath.
If the competition for Green is Tenn and Auburn have to think we have a great shot. Both programs are absolute disaster areas.
Yeah, but both schools desperately need a stud running back. That won't change regardless of who is coaching there. Both are still in the SEC, both will recruit well regardless of record, and both should attrach a top flight coach so the future at both of those schools is much brighter than their current dismal state would imply.
As long as Saban and Miles are in their division the future is not that bright for Auburn. Plus Texas A&M looks like they are going to be pretty good. Auburn has a highly rated running back already committed. Plus we have seen what changing a coach does to that year's recruiting class.
If it is all but guaranteed that they will end up with great coaches, how did they end up with such terrible coaches? Of course they can only go up in the long run, but that doesn't mean that they will end up with great coaches this time around or that it won't take a while for them to get back to where they want to be.
Also, while we have some capable backs, it is not like anybody has a stranglehold on the RB position.
Green is slightly different because we cooled on him during the Ty hysteria. He is fully justified to weigh all options and ensure UM's interest is concrete this time.
In general, though, fully agree that Hoke & company don't win the high drama recruits - I suspect Hoke's blunt and consistent approach doesn't sufficiently satisfy the "I'm special" types. No one recruit in particular ...
Yeah we seem to lose them but we suffered through 3 really bad seasons, it's pretty amazing we're even sniffing top 5 classes back to back. Once this program starts rolling again, we can complain about missing out on the studs
When it comes to someone so gifted is it ever time to start accepting the loss and focusing on the next guy?
Worth the fight?
but it seems to me that if I were, I wouldn't be begging for love...
It's OK, plenty of no names that run 4.4 forties out there. Plus he hasn't been on his official visit yet, I'm sure we'll roll out the red carpet
but seriously we NEED this guy, our receiving corp next year is going to be incredibly weak without some stud Fr.
Amen. Braylon was the difference between some wins and losses. We can't say for sure that a stud WR wouldn't help win some games.
Recruiting - Don't hate the player, hate the game.
Hoke and company should be calling as much as possible. Treadwell could come in and be an immediate contributor next season. Can't say that about many freshman.
recruited? You seem to know a lot about what the staff should be doing. Maybe they are interested in your services.
We want him because he appears to be the means to fulfill our need for a fast possession receiver - ie, he will make the team much better.
I wonder if the need also has a criterion of a "team first" approach. I dont know if Tread is or isn't but Hoke seems to prioritize this criterion.
History is littered with programs decimated by 5 stars trying to supersede the team.
I think that is least relevant with the WR position. Sure, the attitude of a QB can determine much on a football team (see: Pryor, Terelle). But neither Braylong nor Manningham were "great guys," and yet they were absolutely fine at completing the task of running fast and catching balls.
I don't know. If any WR we are recruiting hasn't seen ole Devin Gardner play the last two weeks, and watch how the offense has become a vertical threat, not sure what else we can do to woo them.
It sucks, but ND is having a special year and we look, as well as the BIG, to be a bit mediocre. The "what have you done for me lately" crowd will always prefer the shiny thing verses the steel.
Remember these are high school kids. I'm pretty sure none of us got the attention that these kids get on a daily basis. I didn't know what school I wanted to go to coming out of HS and I didn't have coaches calling me every single day. If we get him, great. If not, I'm sure it isn't for lack of attention.
Also, call me crazy but aren't these recruiting sites in business to make a buck, which means page clicks. Just like the latest election, somebody poke me on Feb 6th if does commit.
Remember when people would be all like"This feels like Diamond's recruitment" and then a bunch of people would be all like"This is totally different." Well this is like the Diamond recruitment.
I don't know why everyone thinks he will step in and contribute next year or that we are desperate for WR help. Do we want him because he's good? Of course. Do we bring back Dileo, Gallon, Funchess, and pretty much every WR not named Roundtree, including 2 talented freshmen who we haven't seen yet? Yes, we do.
Brady Hoke strikes me as somebody who would have absolutely zero interest in having high-maintenance players on his team. I'm 100% OK with that.
Must be those new shiny ND helmets, all the recruits love these uniform changes... (see: sarcasm)
Avant/Breaston/Edwards tandem of WR's been? OH how I feel like I've taken those years for granted... :(. Now we just want ONE solid one. Come forth Treadwell and bathe in the maize and blue.
Love=$$. This feels more like the T Pryor situation honestly. Im sure ND's run this season helps.
Do you at least realize why this post is completely inappropriate?
If we don't get Treadwell, it will hurt. PERIOD. We need playmakers on offense outside of the QB position.
Oh shes a diva
I feel the same and I wonna meet her