Wisconsin goes on the road and almost beats a top 5 team in a night game, so it makes a lot of sense to drop them out of the polls.
Michigan DNP; moves to 19 in AP, stays at 17 in Coaches
Almost beats is a little strong.
I am a little irked that 1 loss Florida has eased over M again for...beating Kentucky and Tennessee? I think some people do their rankings based on how good they think the team is rather than how good their season's been.
Not really. If they don't give up that 45 yard bomb with three seconds before the half they win. Not to mention Ohio getting a couple nice calls along the way.
Wiscy gets great pressure on Braxton Miller in the 2nd quarter and recovers a fumble on Miller's attempted throw inside the OSU 10. But the defender grabbed Miller's helmet and gets flagged for a facemask. Clear penalty, but unnecessary.
And also in the 2nd quarter, Wiscy rugby-style punts, and the OSU return man makes an ill-advised attempt to field. He fumbles, Wiscy recovers on the OSU ~25, but Wiscy is flagged for lining up incorrectly.
If Wiscy doesn't shoot itself in the foot on those three plays, I'd have to say Wiscy wins more likely than not. (Or at least OSU would have had to come from behind in a different game situation.)
Wiscy is 2 and a half dumb palys from being undefeated. Dropping them completely out of the polls is harsh.
Actually their freshman corner flat out dropped an easy interception right before that play. Wisconsin shot itself in the foot all night (multiple drive-killing bone head penalties too). Meanwhile they lit up the guy who was supposed to be the best corner in the Big Ten.
"I think some people do their rankings based on how good they think the team is rather than how good their season's been." Ummm...just about everyone does that at this point in the season. If you were looking at a blind resume, #4 Ohio State doesn't look much different than #15 Washington or #25 Maryland. All three teams are undefeated, have played at least two major-conference teams, and have ~30 ppg margin of victory thusfar. When you get to the end of the season, a resume argument is easier to make. Right now, these are effectively power rankings with an additional penalty for losing games.
Won that game for sure. But it could've been closer.
Texas A&M played Bama down to the wire. Georgia has faced THREE top ten teams so far, won two of those games and lost the other close. Meanwhile, LSU is LSU. You really want to tell me that none of them deserve to be in the top 10?
South Carolina is in no way a top 10 team. Saying they are is a joke.
That is good because South Carolina is not in the top 10.
Right, until they start actually getting beaten, the SEC will rightfully be considered the best conference. Complaining about how they are rated is absurd. Those SEC teams in the top ten deserve to be there.
The only "top" SEC team I'm not sold on is South Carolina. They have a loss to Georgia and a pretty easy schedule (play two ranked opponents: Florida and Clemson, both at home). Ole Miss staying ranked after losing by 25 and being shut out is also a bit ludicrous in my opinion (wins over Vandy, Southeastern Missouri State [real college], and Texas). Florida at #18 is also questionable, given their three wins are over Toledo, Tennessee, and Kentucky.
But I digress. In general, I agree. The B1G certainly has done no favors for themsevles in the past few years, last year was close (almost Nebraska over Georiga, almost Michigan over South Carolina, etc.) but no cigar.
Sagarin agrees with you on Mississippi but not on the rest. Sagarin predictor rankings for the top of the SEC (I'll put Massy's power ranking in parentheses for some confirmation, or not):
- 1. Alabama (1)
- 4. LSU (6)
- 8. Georgia (5)
- 9.Texas A&M (4)
- 14. Florida (14)
- 15. South Carolina (11)
- 34. Missouri (17)
- 35. Auburn (35)
- 37. Mississippi (19)
Mississippi has played the #2 schedule in the country so far, though. The basic Sagarin ranking that takes wins and losses into account by weighting in his BCS/ELO ranking has Mississippi at 25.
I have no idea why Massey has Missouri so high. The one big difference I know of between the two systems is that Massey discounts big point spreads more heavily than other systems do, so it tends to (relative to the other computers) prefer schools playing stronger schedules over schools pounding weak opposition. Missouri's the latter, and I don't get it. Maybe it has something to do with the way the systems phase out last year's results as the statistics get better on this season.
I don't agree with you about the one-loss teams, but Ole Miss being ranked after getting shut out is a little ridiculous. If they had kept that game even remotely close, I could understand it, but they got shut out and beat by 25. They have played and beat nobody significant.
If you think about it, they lost to Bama by two fewer points than we did. We dropped out of the polls from #11. They dropped four spots, still ranked. None of the other rankings faze me so much but Ole Miss has me scratching my head.
Well, we didn't drop out until we lost to Notre Dame, but we did drop much farther than Ole Miss did.
Ole Miss is the classic case of innocence by association. They are clearly trading off of the SEC label.
If they were in the B1G, Big 12, Pac 12, or ACC and got shut out by Alabama like that, they would be out of the polls.
Ole Miss, Arkansas, South Carolina, Miss State a couple of years ago, and even Kentucky, have really been riding the SEC coat tails of late.
actually look at anything before a final score before commenting??? The Bama-Ole Miss game was MUCH closer than the final score. Ole Miss passed up several easy field goals and shot themselves in the foot when their WR threw a pick on an earlier drive in Bama territory. Bama could barely move the ball most of the game and padded the final margin with some late scores.
You know how you fix that? Beat the SEC in non-con matchups or bowl games. No one has been able to figure how how to do that on a consistent basis, and until they do, that conference will be perceived as untouchable.
Winning 7 straight national championships helps, too. I'm not saying I disagree with you, but their dominance in the polls, in my mind, is completely justified. Minus Ole Miss, of course. That one does leave me scratching my head.
And as soon as the SEC starts scheduling road games against tough opponents that can happen. As it is, they play a few "neutral" site game where they are virtually the home team and that's it. Bama cancelled their home and home against MSU rather than drop a game against South Alabama State Agricultural School of Technology. Are they "scurred" of MSU? Not particularly, but a trip to East Lansing still had the potential for an upset at least. Why not just play it safe and expand to 9 games so you can play another game against Vanderbilt or Kentucky and have ESPN hype it as a huge showdown between SEC powerhouses?
Conference strength is cyclical, sure, but right now the perception of the SEC is so out of whack with reality that they are going to stay atop the polls indefinitely. Going 4-5 in a bowl season or two won't change it, they'll just write it off as a fluke. The only way the perception will change at this point is for the SEC to get blanked a few bowl seasons in a row and that just isn't going to happen.
So the SEC can only be beat by playing away? You are not making the best argument for SEC is overhyped.
I would love to see week two being the B1G East playing SEC East and B1G West playing SEC West using the last BCS to pair teams 1-7 with teams 1-7. Home B1G the first year and Home SEC the second. East and West could switch every two years so that you can see the relaitve strength that direction too. That would show top to bottom how strong the conferences are and give a bit more insight on how things truly stack up.
But that is a crazy fantasy akin to bikini models breaking down on lonely highways needing my assistance.
Between dropping in the rankings and our last 2 unimpressive wins we may catch our opponents underestim.....Oh my God we're lying in the weeds!!!!
This made me laugh. Nicely done.
Our lone "quality win" was over ND ... So, yeah. Right now, our games against NW, Wisc, MSU and Ohio can all be wins or losses. Until Team 134 proves it can run the ball, pass the ball, catch the ball and HANG ONTO THE DAMN BALL, I'm not calling my bookie just yet.
We don't play Wisconsin this year. That is, unless, we play them in the Championship game.
Other than that, I agree with every statement you made.
We could not play Wisconsin this year and still lose to them, that's how erratic our season has been.
Hope this lights a fire under them. The turnovers need to stop
...but at Massey Michigan dropped 20 slots without playing, thanks to bad losses by every opponent and some subpar performances by opponents' opponents too.
M is now 51st in the base rating that includes w/l racords, 62nd in "power" (the equivalent of Sag "predictor"). That's ninth in the B1G, ahead of Indiana, Minnesota and Purdue.
I'm going to keep telling myself this is largely due to very bad turnover luck and isn't a true reflection of strength.
I don't think turnover luck applies to our recent struggles. We made the turnovers and they capitalized.
Hopefully the team continues to improve. If that happens, we won't have to worry about ranking and the struggles of the past will fade from memory.
I think we I start improving before we can continue improving. As far as I'm concerned we regressed from Akron to UCONN.
Disagree. The defense improved from the Akron to the UConn game.
But maybe things get better over the bye.
We'll have to wait until after our second bye. Things will get better by and by.
Sagarin has us at 40th. For reference, the entire B1G:
- Ohio - 13th
- Wisconsin - 15th
- Maryland - 20th
- Penn State - 31st
- Iowa - 36th
- Northwestern - 39th
- Michigan - 40th
- Michigan State - 41st
- Nebraska - 47th
- Rutgers - 53rd
- Illinois - 54th
- Indiana - 64th
- Minnesota - 72nd
- Purdue - 119th
It wouldn't bother me if M wasn't ranked. Maybe it would serve as motivation for the players. It will be interesting to see how Gardner responds against MN. The turnovers have to stop. If he makes a really stupid decision then he should be pulled. He needs to understand that punting the ball isn't the end of the world.
and the polls will take care of themselves.
Edit: Fixed the placement of this comment.
I will just say that polls in before week 10 don't really matter.