Did we know Norfleet will be returning punts now?
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Did we know Norfleet will be returning punts now?
Yeah, Hoke said it in a presser last week.
We've got the bodies everywhere that can play. This entire season will be dicated by what those 8 men listed under LG - C - RG can do, and if Chesson or Reynolds can step up and gain some separation from DBs, because we know Jackson can't.
Ah, just beat my to the post. Here is what I found notable:
I'm guessing the DL will have lots of rotation, giving players plenty of opportunity to rise up the depth chart, but those last two were suprisiing to me given camp buzz.
Avery is listed as injured, so maybe thats why he is at the bottom there.
Godin and Wormley are tied with the "or" disignation.
Your point still holds as this still surprised me.
But Godin/Wormley have an "OR" in there. He is listed first, however
If so, then what's the point of the "or"?
Well, in fairness to Wormley, it does say Godin OR Wormley on the depth chart.
It says Godin OR Wormley
I was wondering. Has anyone mentioned yet that it says Godin OR Wormley yet?
The LG position. Good for him. Frosh RBs at the bottom of the depth chart..surprising.
Shallman listed solely as FB and not RB as I thought the recruiting pitch went.
The RB depth chart should not be surprising - I posted a story last week saying Green was behind all the returnering players.... and Smith was as well. Let's see how it looks in 4-5 weeks. I'd expect movement there by the Big 10 season.
I actually think that this is partly a motivational tool for both Green & Smith. Nothing is going to be handed to them, and if they want to play, they need to earn PT, like anyone else. Honestly, if they work hard enough, they could see more carries 4 - 5 games down the road.
gotta learn all the plays and protection schemes which i imagine is tough. plus coaches probably want to see what everybody can do in the first few games.
Courtney Avery is injured? Did I miss that?
The back, right? I've heard recently, in sequence: he was hurt last year with the back, but now it was better, then now at the most recent scrimmage he was sidelined again (assumption is the back).
He had arthroscopic knee surgery, and is expected to miss 2 weeks.
The RB situation is the most notable one to me. Not only is Green at the bottom, but it's surprising to see Johnson that high up. It's not like he has the experience or seniority that would lead the coaches to list him that high unless he had earned his 2nd string spot.
The defensive backfield is looking more like a mess, especially the safety situation opposite Gordon. But it looks like Hollowell is working his way up and Stribling's scrimmage performance wasn't a fluke.
Now that I reread it, I'm not sure what the order is, because at the end of the list it has the enigmatic "OR". This could mean that the 5th and 6th spots are interchangeable (Green and Smith), or it could mean that all the spots below fitz (2-6) are interchangeable, which could meat that they were put lower because they are freshmen.
That's how I took it. Everything after Fitz is a possibility. I always take the two-deep roster to indicate that all these guys are game worthy, so that is not so back for the frosh running backs.
That could be, but what's the order then? Why would Johnson be 2nd, as a RS freshman? It's not by seniority, experience, or even alphabetical.
I am not going to get into the weeds of where the "OR" is on these charts but it is between Green and Smith, the 5th and 6th. You can tell this by where the "OR" is placed on the backup cornerbacks verus the LBers. With the CBs the OR is not just under the starter, it is on the bottom row of the 3 person roster indicating the 2 backups (Hollowell and Lewis) are the equals. Whereas with Beyer and Cam the OR is next to Beyer indicating the starter is an OR. But not OR with the starter. Same with the guys behind Heitzman - they are OR as backups. Same with the bottom 2 RBs - the first 4 are their slots and then the last 2 freshman RB are an OR situation. But anyhow let's relax on clinching our butt cheeks everyone. Its a first game depth chart.
It means 1-4 are in order. Green/Smith are 5/6, depending on how the wind is blowing.
If all six backs were possibilities, there would be an "OR" after 3, 4, and 5.
Correct. There were plenty of 3 way battles last year with 2 ORs listed, if that's what the coaches meant with RB they would have more than 1 OR, instead it just means that Green & Smith are interchangeable.
But I'd agree there are some issues with experienced depth. Having a true freshman at backup CB is not what you want to see in an ideal world (unless it's a Jabrill Peppers for example).
The secondary is the most fascinating to me.
-Terry Richardson seems pretty buried at this point. That's a pretty big bummer for a 4* guy with an offer from Alabama.
-Channing Stribling must be the steal of the century.
I didn't even notice that Richardson isn't even on the depth chart. Yikes.
Up until recently, I was not concerned about the DBs at all. I figured Taylor was fine and would likely improve, Countess would be back, Gordon would return, and Wilson would step in. Wasn't expecting it to be the best unit in the conference or anything, but thought it would easily be solid. But as more information trickles out the less confident I am.
Why has your confidence been dropping? There's only one question mark, and it's been the same one since the season ended last year: Can Wilson play?
Probably because I was overconfident in Wilson, I guess. Obviously the guy could turn out to be just fine. It just seems like there was more fall camp shuffling back there than I was expecting.
There are positives, though. Hollowell seems to be exceeding expectations. Stribling looked good on video and has got himself into the 2-deep.
Terry is still the smallest guy in the secondary despite gaining like 10 pounds over the last year. He still needs bulk.
Agreed, but after having two camps and a full offseason to do so, the question has become "can he"?
He won't be playing meaningful time here.
We just sign all small corners from Cass Tech, no matter what.
I mean putting on 10 pounds is pretty significant, however he was just so tiny to begin with he'll need more. If he manages to put on 10 more pounds in good weight, then I can see him playing.
He is listed only at safety, and not at all at nickel--which I always felt he played pretty well.
They moved him to safety half way through camp. That is probably why he is not listed at NB.
Jourdan Lewis could be our backup LCB? Hmmm. I know they'll play nickel in coverage more likely than putting him on the field, but yeah, freshman DB do not want.
No offense to Jourdan of course.
You do realize Blake Countess played as a true freshman and did pretty well for himself don't you?
And Ty Law. And Charles Woodson. And Marlin Jackson. And Leon Hall.
To name a few freshman DBs that got meaningful snaps.
If we play nickel there is a chance we see Lewis or someone else on the field.
Notice how Countess is also listed at nickel. Based on the formation we might see Countess at nickel and someone else fill in at LCB. That someone will most likely be Hollowell or Lewis.
Lewis has supposedly been pretty impressive in camp. IMO, he's the best corner to come out of Cass Tech yet.
Did I miss something on Kugler? Not listed at center that only goes 2-deep.
Likely to redshirt. Didn't see any true freshmen OL on the list. This is the depth chart for CMU only so injuries could see Kugler move up and play.
Kugler is a true freshman OL coming off of shoulder surgery. Not at all surprising that he is absent from the depth chart.
Blake Countess starting at nickel? They must want him in for pass coverage and Dymonte in for run support. Unless Avery as been slid down due to the injury designation it doesn't look like we'll see much of him.
EDIT: Looking at Jake Ryan's slot, I would guess that being designated as injured drops you to the bottom of the chart.
So much for the "muh muh muh" about Jarrod Wilson. I realize Avery's injured, but clearly there's enough confidence in Wilson to start him.
After the starters, the rest of the depth chart might not mean much. They'll have situational stuff and probably rotate people counter to their order in the chart.
Shallman's hurt, but listed at fullback. Somewhere, Magnus is doing D-X crotch chops.
Running back order probably doesn't mean that much outside of Fitz.
I'm not sure you can really glean much confidence in starting Wilson, if Avery is injured and the only other option is Clark. He could easily be starting simply because there aren't other options.
And what makes you think that the RB order doesn't mean much?
Let's wait until we play a game or two before we panic. I swear, this fan base loves to look for reasons to be miserable. Show some confidence.
Saturday just needs to get here before half of the MGoNation has a MGoMeltdown
I'm not panicking, I'm just saying that Wilson as the starter doesn't mean anything when there are no other options. Avery's hurt and Clark was an extremely raw prospect who has no in-game experience. There's been a lot of shuffling in the defensive backfield recently that makes the unit look shakier than I expected it to, that's all I'm saying.
I hate the "there's no reason to discuss anything until actual football happens" response. Right, shut down the board until next Sunday, guys! It's right up there with "the coaches obviously know more than you, so don't bother questioning them."
I feel better than I did before, when people were upset after the Hoke presser as if the coaches were scrambling to start anyone besides Wilson at safety.
There's a big fat OR at the bottom of the RB list which could represent ORs between all of the RBs. Furthermore, in the past, multiple running backs have played regardless of their technical order. There's no 3rd down back slot listed.
Well, with Avery out it was either that or abolish the position.
Terry Richardsons name not even on the depth chart. Wow. Weight problem in guessing
I'm more surprised by Hollowell's inclusion (even though it has been reported he has performed well in camp) because at this point I just assume that all Cass Tech guys are horribly overrated and never expect them to make significant contributions.
NOTE: I really hope this is the case with Damon Webb.
Previous Cass guys had Tony Gibson as their coach.
What Cass Tech guys have been overrated besides William Campbell? Thomas Gordon is outplaying his 3-star status. Teric Jones tore up his knee before he had a chance. Boubacar Cissoko could have been okay but had off-the-field issues. I think it's too early to judge the Cass Tech pipeline.
a depth chart with depth
Way to Go Stribling and Lewis! On the two deep as true freshmen. And Stribling looks to play a lot.
Guh, Courtney Avery -- only listed as 3d string FS. Doesn't look good. And a Josh Furman siting on the 2-Deep (other than special teams). Wowsers!
Josh Furman on the two deep is probably what surprised me the most. I'm not sure if this is a good thing or not. Hopefully it's because he's earned it and has outplayed the competition thus far.
I could be wrong, but I think he was #2 on the depth chart last year, too. That obviously didn't result in much playing time...
Did you not see the asterisk by Avery's name designating that he is injured? Jake Ryan (who is listed as injured just like Avery) is also listed third on the depth chart at SAM, do you really think that he is that low on the chart? Based on what I have heard/read, Avery would have been the starting safety if not for the injury issue. Unless Wilson shows up early, I expect him to get replaced.
No, I didn't see that. Thanks. I feel better now.
will be the same, and not just for injuries. There's enough young but inexperienced talent that will push older guys at some positions.
I guess the rumors about Strobel having a busted arm or hand are just that.
I'm still looking back to Western 2011 and comparing that lineup with the start of B1G play.
That's pretty much always the case. It's sort of cliched to talk about guys being "gamers," but there's some truth to it. Some guys show up in practice, some guys show up in games. You just don't always know who until you start playing for real. Three or four games in is when you can start setting your two-deep in stone, barring injury of course.
So Jourdan Lewis is a OR with Hollowell for the back up CB? Probably means very little considering the coaches, but still kind of impressive for a true frosh who is undersized still
Yes he is. 2 freshman of the 3 backups on the DEPTH chart. Of course if there was an injury it is likely Avery would be plugged in at a starting CB. It's a depth chart... not gospel.
Glad to hear he is playing so well but I am surprised they have him listed at field instead of boundary.
Actually, the designations are just "left" and "right" on the chart and that is supposedly the nomenclature the coaches are now using.
The fact that Blake Countess is listed at the #1 Nickel and #1 Right Corner is interesting to me. Looks like we're going to be seeing a lot of Stribling this year.
Or double Blake Countess...which would likely be a violation of some laws of physics.
... is sure to set the record for weight of a B1G defensive back... 305!!
Freshman 15, my ass.
Does this mean that Stribling will be starting at CB in Nickel packages?
That would be a good assumption.
If we saw a reasonably accurate representation of what Channing Stribling can already contribute to pass coverage in the scrimmage highlights, then I like the idea of him in nickel packages.
doesn't seem to be holding Jeremy Clark back. I wouldn't want to go across the middle against that guy.
Fairly surprised Bryant is backing up Glasgow at LG.
And Clark is 304? Uh, wat
I think Glasgow won the job but mainly because of injury. Bryant had his knee drained last week and probably missed some reps in practice.
Does this mean that Dymonte doesn't quite get all the assignments, since another CB (Delonte?) is being inserted for the nickel package?
My biggest takeaway from this is that Jeremy Clark is 305 lbs. Big safety, that one.
Not sure what happens with Countess since he's listed as the starter at RCB AND Nickel.
Regardless, it means that Stribling's going to play. Based on what we saw in a recent CTK of a scrimmage, Stribling, #8, was making plays and looks really good. What a steal!
as a Kick Off Returner already, but I wonder if they should be keeping him away from harms way with the injury to Amara. I'd hate to see him get hurt doing something other than his specialty if our WR depth is in jeopardy.
Well, he's third on the chart right? So unless Fleet and Dileo get hurt *pounds heavily on wooden desk, we might not even see Jehu return a kick this year.
Perhaps the most surprising thing is the lack of surprises. It turns out that the coaches haven't really been hiding anything. Wilson is starting at safety. Glasgow and Miller are both starting.
The only notables are that Stribling is on the two-deep and appears to be the RCB in nickel situations, since Countess is listed as the #1 nickel. Of course, that could go the other way and we could see Dymonte as the nickel and Stribling sitting, but he's still on the two deep. Also Jackson as the "OR" with Chesson; I would have guessed Reynolds was ahead of Jackson, but this probably not significant. Chesson, Jackson, and Reynolds will all be fighting for playing time, and hopefully one of the emerges as the leader on Saturday. Finally, Braden isn't even on the depth chart at LG; Joey B. is the 3rd-string. I guess Braden is just a tackle.
The RB depth chart is pretty much expected. We'll see how far up the ladder Green and Smith can climb during the season. I suspect Fitz and Drake won't make it easy for them; I believe Hayes is probably our 3rd-down back, but don't count out Drake.
Jourdan Lewis is an "OR" with Delonte Hollowell for the #2 LCB. This bodes extremely well for our future secondary. Combine that with Wilson, Dymonte, Hill, and Clark--two freshmen and two sophomores--all being on the depth chart at safety, and our future seems pretty bright on the back end.
While I'm excited about this depth chart, it's real hard not to look at it and think, "We're still one year away." There are so many freshmen and sophomores, and so few juniors and seniors.
I wouldn't look too much into the chart. I highly doubt Rawls or Hayes are in front of Green and Smith. I'd bet Green his #2 and Smith is #3 (or Smith #2 and Green #3 for the anti-Green people).
Except that Hayes is the 3d down back. So he has to go on there pretty high. Seems like Drake is going to get a chance.
Anyone have the details as to why Derrick Green is so far down on the depth chart?
He's not as good as the guys ahead of him on the depth chart. Who knows. His blocking might be suspect, he might not have great grasp on the playbook, might be overweight and slow (relatively speaking). There are a million reasons why he's down there.
Or it could be that's he has only had a handful of practices under his belt, he also missed a lil time with a boo boo. Oh and Michigan is playing CMU
All very plausible reasons. I'm not really concerned about it. Smith and Green were four and five stars for a reason. Once they get a little seasoning they should rise up the chart.
I have a feeling Stribling might end up being our new David Harris
McCray is listed as an MLB. That might be the most surprising thing on this depth chart. Combined with his number change, I think this suggests that he will be playing this year, at least on ST. I'm not sure MLB will actually be McCray's position, but the fact that he's on the depth chart indicates that he might see the field.
I'm just assuming (possibly incorrectly) that all of the true freshman listed on the depth chart are going to play. They might only play on special teams, but I think they will play; otherwise why not just list every scholarship player somewhere on the chart?
I'm not sure many questions have been answered by this release.
Be honest, though: were you expecting a lot of answers?
It will interesting to see how things have changed by the 6th game.
I wouldn't get to worked up about any of this... it's going to change based on matchups, injuries and game performance. It's fun to look at and speculate about but I think (especially early in the season) these are as much about motivation as they are legitimate rankings of ability. We're still young in a lot of areas but the depth and overall talent level is much better than anything we've seen in recent years and it's really exciting to envision what this team will become.
FUCK. Avery out two weeks.
Out for Notre Dame? On the plus side, they apparently don't have the receivers to test us deep consistently.
The '97 team (arguably the most dominant Michigan defense of the modern era), even with Woodson and Andre Weathers as starters, ended up using two true freshman DBs as backups. James Whitley and William Peterson, who later changed his named to Will James, started the season on the two-deep. Both played quite a bit that year.
Let's hope Stribling and Lewis have great careers at Michigan, regardless of whether they make meaningful contributions this year. Unfortunately, neither Whitley nor Peterson graduated from Michigan, as they both left early for various reasons.
Avery that's he's out two weeks?
I have two knees, does that make me out for a month?
Drake Johnson a head of Justice Hayes??????
but this shouldn't be all that stunning. Johnson ran for 2,800+ yards his senior year, just off the all-time Michigan High School single year mark, IIRC. Also a state champion in the high hurdles.
Hayes is third down back. Drake will probably get chances replacing Fitz here and there.
very true, nothing agaisnt Drake, i know hes gonna be a great back. But hopefully Justice gets some carries also
Man, we are thin at WR. No surprises, but seeing it on paper just drove it home for me. We'll need consistent contributions from the TEs in the passing game.
Yes we are. Last year it will be an issue. Next year Chesson should be a starter.... Darboh comes back, all 3 freshman this year which look to be redshirted will be next year's Darboh/Chesson and one would think Drake Harris would make a serious push for (some) playing time as a true freshman. Harris also is joined by 2 WRs in that class who will redshirt. It will be a very young WR corps...but a whole lot of them. As for this year...well yep.
is not that much of a surprise, is he? I thought he would be #2 just because the coaches always speak quite highly of him quite consistently which I cannot say for the other Rbs except for Hayes who was destined to be a 3rd down RB. I know we didn't hear too much about him lately but the same can be said for Glasgow over Braden at LG,. The coaches love to keep things very close to the vest but it is hard to contain some leaks and Johnson being high on the chart makes sense if you look at his knowledge (being in the system), ability, spring, size, etc..
Drake Johnson will now prove he's a baller.
They consistently spoke highly about Rawls last year as well. So lets not get too giddy too early about Mr. Johnson as the next great back, lets see him prove he deserves that number two spot on the depth chart.
I can't wait to get to Ann Arbor and add 20lbs when I visit. Plus many people pointed out that he weighed 230-240 in HS, they just listed him at 220lbs. Carlos Hyde is a 240lber, not worried about him, he will get playing time and move up.
I don't know what the doom and gloom is all about. Personally I feel like this is as solid of a depth chart on paper as we've had since before the Never Forget season. Proven starters, including all B1G caliber guys at QB, RB, CB1 and 2, LT, RT, SS, DT, NT, FB, WR1, Slot, TE, MLB, WLB, and to a lesser extent DE and SLB. We've got some unproven, yet hyped guys at RG and Nickel. Center, LG, WR2 and FS are the only spots where someone need to step up, but there's no real reason to feel the guys penciled in can't hack it. 4 question marks out of 22 ain't too bad.
Show me a depth chart for any other school outside of the Alabamas of the world that doesn't have the same or more question marks. This is college football where you get 4 years and you're forced to move on. On average a quarter of the roster is gone every year. New guys and unknowns stepping up is the norm, not the exception.
I. Can't. Wait.
This week is going to take forever...
Gotta love the Drake.
I think too many posters were just focusing on his star rating out of high school, which could have been a function of his not doing the camp circuit more than anything else. Given his size and speed (not just fake 40 times, but proven in his track exploits), as well as his highschool football stats, he really should have been rated higher by the recruiting services coming out of high school.
I don't think the knock on him was ever his speed but that he needed to practically stop to change directions. Maybe as a complement to Fitz as short yardage guy, that's not that big of a deal, but I really doubt he's the starter if *knock on wood* Fitz gets dinged.
Exactly. Size and speed aren't everything and I've read the same thing about his change of direction. There's more to football than meets the eye.
I hope to see Drake Johnson make an impact this year. Supposedly he is really good at pushing the pile in the 3rd and short situations and he also is the fastest back we have.
I read on thewolverine.com that Brady Hoke actually wanted to play Drake in the bowl game last season.
I think many of us have discounted him (myself included) up until this point. It will be interesting to see what he can do once he gets a chance.
Sorry for a weak first post, but how long has Jordan Paskorz been a TE?
I think since last season.
Glasgow over Henry is a bit suprising isn't it? Henry always seems to beast in highlights and in the spring game and the other players on the team always seem to talk about how impossibly quick and strong he is and bring him up as the next break out player. Glasgow I don't even remember hearing anything about him till a couple weeks ago.
Defensive line will be rotated heavily so Henry will get his reps.
what Drake does. Great opportunity for him to grab this thing by the horns and never look back.
into the depth chart to much, we all know its never accurate maybe a motivation tool to some players but its never exact.
Drake Johnson looked to be the backup for awhile, in fact, I had this exact offensive depth chart when Darboh went down minus Bryant/Glasgow. I had Glasgow and Henry switched on defense, McCray and SLB and Gedeon at MLB.