While I won't say that the football team melts on the road in big games, it can't get it done. This level of blowout is indicative of some BRUTALLY deficient level of balls. This is not good.
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Michigan basketball vs Ohio Open Thread [Come on back if you want]
What was that phrase Brian used for Novak, like "Aneurism of Leadership"? Yeah someone have that now.
Why is our team less than stellar on free throws??!!!
Not sure but they consistently shoot around 65%. Terrible.
Not a good idea to go small ball against this team
Spike + zone = good move by Beilein. Let's try to cut the lead to 12 by half and we're in it.
Need to make them, b/c we will start getting them.
YES...YES...YES!
I'm telling you guys, we're the better team and if we keep attacking, we'll climb into this thing slowly but surely. We need a 10-0 run though, especially with Craft on the bench.
Rebounding not happening today. Need to improve
playing like shit
Spike, nice handle.
It looks like Michigan's balls are deflated.
Ohio resting their best.
Whatever Spike just did there to keep that ball inbounds was Teen Wolfeesque
Agreed. It was an epic display of ball control.
Actually brought a smile to my face amid this misery.
Life... Spike... Spark.
By half...that will work
I agree. I haven't given up yet. Get it to a reasonable margin, take it to them in the second half.
Morgan you close out slower than my fucking grandma
how fast does your regular grandma close out?
And does either have any eligibility remaining?
Keep driving hard into the second half and we'll turn it around
Spike is providing just what we need right now. Chip away Blue.
I'll feel a lot better if we can get this down to around 12 or so by half.
either we come back and win = awesome
or we get the wake up call we need to become great instead of good.
ps.
Hahahahahahaha please!
Good thing the #1 ranking is meaningless
/s
So far he's doing exactly what we need to do.
There's not going to be enough time this half, but next half we HAVE to get Ohio on their toes a little by picking up these fouls. Craft won't be able to play as tough if he gets a quick 3rd foul.
Such a poor effort so far by this young team. Play like you want to win!!!
Does Matt Vogrich have AIDS or something? I don't understand why he doesn't get put in, at all, unless its garbage time.
You know it's a bad fucking day when your opponent's 6'9" C is making 18 foot jump shots.
No heart at all. Bunch of pussies.
That was uncalled for.
Seriously.
they are showing heart now, does that mean you are back on the bandwagon?
pathetic. you sir are pathetic. As well as the other crybabies on this post.
I have an hypothesis: some fans are so fairweather they run when there appears one single cloud in the sky. the rest of us call it adversity and are waiting to see how we react.
Where is all the cockyness from Stauskus? playing timid now
He's turned the ball over almost every time he's touched the ball.
A 3 would be nice.
Show a little confidence and poise during a difficult stretch.
At least Spike showed up to play.
Entered this week with 4 undefeated teams, will there be one left after today?
Get that 3rd on craft and second half we can get back in this..
Guard that guy
Deshawn Thomas fucking owns us. He destroyed us last year too.
Why are you still watching?
Hell yeah Spike!
At least Spike came to play!
Spike is the hero so far.
not a good day to be a Michigan fan.. even the girls basketball team is playing horrible
Trey + Spike... have we done much of that?
But not as much as both McGary and Morgan.
Thanks Clark.
MVP thus far.
SPIKE!
Stauskas shut out this half? But Spike has played exceptional.
Cut it to ten and we win
Spike the only one who doesn't look scared.
Spike HATES Buckeyes!!
Really dont understand what happened. The team atmosphere really seems non existent.
Playing in columbus is not easy. OSU is a good team and winnign on the road is tough in the big-ten.
If I had to guess why we started so poorly I would expect that our players got a little too worked up, or emotional, and kind of lost their cool. They seem to have it back and I expect a good second half. Like I said earlier win or lose this is good for our team; nobody goes undefeated and that which doesn't destroy you makes you stronger...
It would be awesome if we can get this within 10 before the half.
Spike for 3! 20-34
Looking like the All American right now. Come on Burke.
I need a thunder buddy for this game
Spike Albrecht reminds me of Fife...
Freshmen got a welcome to Big Ten play, team woke up, we have a ball game.
Everyone can stop flaming our players now.
All hail albrecht right now
Down to 12.
Finally Trey! You are the best in the country! Keep acting like it.
Beilein's using his bench well. He's put Spike in at the right times and gave Burke a much needed sit down.
I tried to tell you guys...
We have to ATTACK.
Go straight at them.
THJ....don't pass...just stop that....
4 on 3 and he just turns it over.
So glad 2011 THJ is back...
Damn it, Hardaway!
Hardaway is killing us...
Put LeVert in
What in the fuck was that
Hardaway you're an upper classman! Can't do that!
Hardaway needs to take a seat. That guy is a turnover machine today.
Fuck...Shitty pass Hardaway....that would have been huge for us....potentially kills our comeback....FUCK
Hardaway playing like a freshman, in high school. Horrible decision after horrible decision.
The beast has awakened!
The sloppy passes haven't been there all season, hope we clear the issue. Playing significantly better. If OSU misses this shot before the half, I think that's great. If they miss and we get points off of it, then even way better.
1. Extremely high camera angle
2. Value City sponsorship of arena
3, Outline of Ohio on floor
4. Godawful scorer's table
Please shoot me now. Thank Dog Shameless is on tonight.
Craft wasn't going to risk the chance. He backed off and was allowing him to shoot and he throws it away!? Be smart... Damn :( I'm a sad panda
THJ needs to spend less time on twitter dreaming about being the best and focus when he's on the court.
Horrible turnover by THJ. That was huge and could come back to bite us if they score off this.
We could've put it at 10...right where we want it.
He's got to make it up by getting a stop here.
We get a stop and a 3 and we're in there.
This is the biggest 36.7 second of the season.
That was a good opportunity on that break. We need to take care of the ball. That is why we're in this hole. Spike gave us some great minutes this half.
Commence epic comback...
Why didn't thj just take that shot comon man keep playing aggressive
Over/Under at 1200 posts
Good defense on that/
Why the hell not take a TO and set up a play?
Got it to 12. DId what we needed to do after a horrible start. Still have a ball game.
shit shot Hardaway
Yes let's take an off balance 3 as the last shot...ugh
THJ was not my choice for that last shot.
At some point Ken Pom/ John Hollinger will quantify basketball IQ..... and Tim Hardaway Jr's will be low.
Down by 12 is encouraging, given the start.
The one guy I didn't want with the last shot.
Yeah let's have the kid playing the worst take the last shot...
Hardaway just won't quit doing stupid shit.
Wow THJ is just terrible today. Terrible.
Two blown chances by THJ to be down by eight.
Hardaway might have single handily ended our comeback shot with two horrendous end of half decisions.
Didn't set his feet. Would've liked to have seen Burke with the ball in that instance...Craft is on him and he absolutely CAN'T pick up a 3rd foul.
Give it to Burke and let him go right at Craft, he pretty much has to give you 2 points rather than commit a foul.
I know this and I'm sitting on my living room coach. The guys on the foul have to understand this as well.
Down by a bakers dozen isn't great but considering the early meltdown we are still able to pull this win off
We're down 12, not a baker's dozen.
Bakers dozen?
Baker's dozen is 13.
Hardaway has been a huge liability this game. He's thrown away several possessions either with turnovers or bad shots.
Of ball I have seen Hardaway play. Not sure where his head is today? 12 is not a huge deficit, just need to play as a team and pull this one out!
Yeah let's have the kid playing the worst take the last shot...
Yes let's take an off balance 3 as the last shot...ugh
Fuck Hardaway, blown opportunities last 2 possessions.
There is a difference between supporting your team and just being an asshole. You've crossed that line.
But he's also a reason we're still even somewhat in it.
Stop with that sh*t.
And...that's why I hate message board "tough guys."
you joined today just to be a prick. your life must really suck.
Points return after national signing day (and I felt I gave you the benefit of the doubt by deleting the first "fuck Hardaway" post).
"Fuck Hardaway"- not okay, likely to lose ponts/ban.
"Hardaway is playing poorly and shouldn't be taking this shot"- perfectly acceptable, reasonable fan talk.
Don't be the guy that crosses the line.
Michigan is better than this. Game is still in reach, but a win will be difficult even if they get their act together.
Need GR3 to get more involved and need THJ to get less involved.
Exactly what I was thinking. GRIII is critical to our teams success. Also, Stauskas?
Start spike the second half.
Ended the half on a good note, a 14-5 run or similar. If we come out of the gate at the half and pull the game to within a few, well, alright then.
Time for Ohio State to go 7+ minutes without a basket I say, hah.
...and nearly pulled it out. I think IU is better than ohio; I think we are better than Minny.
Still a lot of BB to be played. I like the zone D and if THJ gets going and Trey calms down...
Terrible half, but the deficit can be overcome. If we value the basketball like we usually do (no more no-look passes to Ohio) and just settle down and take high-quality shots, we can come back.
Everyone will be praising him by the end of the game
Stop turning the goddamn ball over, and we can win this. Last time I checked,12 points is not an insurmountable lead. Time to go get it.
I'd like to see Stauskas rain fire from downtown 2 possessions in a row. That'd be nice.
Where was Stauskas the first half?
Burke,Hardaway, Nik and GRIII combined for 11 points first half. If they can get a couple of those guys going we can pull this out.
They've guarded the 3 point line all game with Stauskas he's only had 1 open look when he's had the ball.
The biggest thing is limit the turnovers, OSU has 15+ points off turnovers, if we can eliminate that and do our thing I've got great confidence. Ohio State is not that good of a team.
having his worst game of his career. I want to take him out but somehow Caris is playing as bad or worse.
Vogrich? I'm willing to give it a shot.
"Coming up next, a look into the Michigan locker room for their halftime adjustments."
And then a little piece of Brady Hoke dies inside.
hey now, that's advertising, not marketing's problem. (coming from a inspiring marketer)
The scorer's table almost exclusively shows OSU promotional stuff, not advertisements (except in that OSU promotional stuff might be seen as advertisements of OSU itself). Therefore it struck me as marketing (attempts to communicate the value of OSU's program to fans).
Here's the ball game in a nutshell.
UM - 37% shooting 2, 50% 3, 8 TOs
OSU - 52% shooting 2, 44% 3 1 TOs
Only Albrect seems to have shown up to play, unaffected.... the rest of the team, especially Robinson, are playing both soft, and scared, but worst, intimidated.
This sucks because I actually expected this, but hoping I'd be wrong. When getting blown out like that, it isn't skill, but totally MENTAL.
Only Albrect seems to have shown up to play, unaffected.... the rest of the team, especially Robinson, are playing both soft, and scared, but worst, intimidated.
This sucks because I actually expected this, but hoping I'd be wrong. When getting blown out like that, it isn't skill, but totally MENTAL.
It seems like the freshmen are actually playing better than the older players.
It is only 12 points. I want to see Nick S get involved. We need some SWAGGGG
Its not gonna come. Stauskas hasnt come close today.
9 turnovers and 16 OSU points off of turnovers. That's why.
How the fuck was that a blocking foul!? Are the refs mixing up which one's which?
Always gets the calls in the B1G...refs don't have balls.
Such bullshit calls.
Somebody make a 3
Those shots by TH and Stauskas were horrible decisions
Come on, gotta make those free throws...
Just awful decision making on offense this entire half.
Burke, what the fuck are you thinking?
Quit the cute stuff and play!
Make your FREE THROWS!!!
that assistant coaches eyes look pretty red...
They can't make anything. I say start feeding Morgan. He's been somewhat reliable, and that should open up some kickout passes.
Good test for a young team here. They have to play possession by possession. Get a stop here.
So many wasted possessions.
Is not playing well.
McGary! Finally inside 10!
McGary! Finally inside 10!
Burke needs to stop trying to force shit and just play, get the ball out, 4 on 2 should be a basket
Kobe assist by Hardaway there.
Hardaway is single handedly trying to lose the game...
THJ is just awful today. Absolutely aweful.
Well, we've cut the lead, but have wasted a lot of possessions to start the half.
Down 8 with 15 though, we're very much in the game.
McGary just asqueeZed something out of two good defensive trips that were about to come up empty. Big stuff.
I love THJ but man you've got to realize when you're playing bad and aren't helping the team. He needs to sit for a while.
Ugly ugly ugly. If we pull this out I'll be amazed, ecstatic, but still like wtf...
OK, we're in business. The defensive intensity is much better. Just have to stop coming up empty on so many offensive trips.
Let's fucking do this! We need to value every possession and keep playing solid d, Go Blue
!
Just need to cut 3 points every 5 minutes.
Burke just getting worked over by Craft.
Damn it, Burke.
man I hate Aaron Craft so much
Get a stop, make it six.
There's the stop. A bucket here makes it anyone's game.
Edging closer. C'mon guys!
Let's cut it to 5 or 6, boys.
I will break something if Burke or THJ turns it over.
Whatever Beilein said at halftime is working. And notice how we're creeping back when we feed the big men and don't shoot as many 3's? That's gonna open everything up.
I jsut puked on my TV.
We need to keep going to McGary. Didn't we recruit him so we can go inside if the perimeter is shut down?
If we start heating up, it's all over for Ohio.
Damn it, extra passes help!
niiiiiiiice...
McGary is covering a lot of floor on D.
Facts today...
Albrect and McGary appear the only two playing un-intimidated.
Robinson is playing very very soft.
The BigTen refs are favoring the home team, as usual.
Burke is playing with a complex.
This sucks.
Looks pretty spot-on to me. It's not a bash at the team, not sure why negged, but it's just how it seems.
You have to be shitting me.
We have blown way too many fast break opportunities.
fucking a
Screw these refs for real.
McGary is singlehandedly keeping us in the game right now.
Is keeping us in this.
Well, that killed us.
mcgary is beasting and we can't get a damn bucket
GET THE BALL TO MCGARY!!!!!
I just blew chunks all over my couch...
Hardaway needs to take a seat for the rest of the game, it will be addition by subtraction.
Burke is playing with an inferiority complex...a step slow and off, and its ironic that Scott just rejected him... thats a 5 point swing... This is total bunk...this isnt skill, its MENTAL... and this has been the same thing over and over ever since Bo died. Yep. OSU seems to have a mental edge, time and time again.. The same game played in Ann Arbor, and we win.
It's unbelievable how bad we've been in fastbreak opportunities. We'd be tied or even ahead if we'd cashed them in.
What does it take to draw a foul on them? Clearly an elbow to Burke's jaw isn't enough.
Burke is playing like he is trying to cover a spread for someone
Alright let's make a run after the break.
Grab the damn rebounds
He definitely gets away with using the arm to hook on most of his drives to the hoop....refs certainly do not mind OSU physical play
There we go. Don;t waste it.
That's why we don't take Hardaway out. He is still a leader, but he doesn't have to shoot it all the time!
LET'S FUCKING GO BLUE!
Game has been ugly to watch, but only down 4 with 7:30 to go.
Goodness... goodness...
Let's fucking go!!!
"Here they come, the Wolverines, baby!"
looks like someone finally kicked hardaway in the nuts and woke him up. LETS GO
And can I have more of that?
Let's Fucking Go
WOWW HARDAWAY..... finally.
by the way, Albrecht has impressed the heck out of me. Albrecht needs to play more, he really does. He seemed to be the only guy totally unfazed or rattled so far.
HOW IS THAT NOT A FOUL?!?!?!
There was no call on that?
How is that not a foul?
So grabbing a guy by the neck isnt a foul????
How the hell was that not a foul?! And an intentional one!
Damn these refs. That nearly took THJr's arm off.
But no call at all?
Nice take and decision by THJ...home team no-call apparently.
That was bullshit, no foul called on an elbow to the face?????????????
Home court is amazing in this league.
All you guys who kept pining for Hardaway to be benched... yeah.
Finish the game!!!
That was an obvious intentional foul.
Forget the no-call here and just get a bucket here. Things are happening, let's see how the continue for the last 7 minutes..
Hardaway
Author:Jmyers1528 Date:2013-01-13 at 14:34
Everyone will be praising him by the end of the game
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Yup.
are you fucking serious, what the shit is this crap??
yes yes yes
Hardaway stepping the fuck up.
Love to see it.
BOOM!
Splash Watefalls!! THJ...Yessir
Hardaway Jr.!!!!!!!!
I didn't hear no fat lady!
Out of those two possessions at the end of the half.
Our flowchart's K(m) today is inferior to theirs, but I think our V(max) could wind up superior nevertheless.
All the mfing way back.
Offense is alive, now let's play some defense.
Since those best shooter in the country statements. Keep that kid out of the media...
Ok. Time to play smart and assert ourselves.
Getting hammered down low. Dammit. This why we need post presence.
Ugh, I hate when we can't get anything to fall
And back to cold...
He hooks the defender EVERY TIME!
Way too many jumpers right now
Someone tell Burke & THJ that there's 3:00 on the clock yet.
This small lineup was a bad idea...
This win would mean a ton. Lets do this, boys!
But man it's going to feel worse than just getting waxed if it ends up being just a tease.
is there any doubt now, that OSU's spurn is in Burke's head ? This BY FAR is the worst hes ever played. air ball ? wtf
Threes. Nice comeback being thwarted by bad shot selection and everyone just standing around on offense.
And not that it mattered but WOW, Burke's final shat was amazing. Too bad it didn't come a possession earlier.
This one is over...
This is what I was afraid of; they claw their way back, and once they get the tie, they start taking dumb shots that got them into the hole in the first place and Ohio rolls out to a big lead once again.
Gave the game away after the tie. God fucking damn it
because I expected to lose a tough road game against one of these amazing big ten opponents. But fer god sakes these refs need to call fouls equally for both sides. We can win a 5 on 5 game, we can't win a 5 on 7.
I thought the reffing was actually fairly consistent (for the first game I've watched when playing OSU). It was a physical game and both teams got lucky on a few fouls that helped them out. As far as basketball games go I really can't complain about the reffing this game although not counting Trey's shot at the end really hurt a bit.
It was okay, but I did get pissed on a couple calls:
- When THJ got smashed/knocked completely to the ground, no call (but they did give M the inbound play on an out of bounds ball)
- When Burke was pulling up for a shot that he made, and the refs called it on the floor even though he was in a shooting motion
If Burke makes that 2 and then the and one, it's a tie game, we go into OT with all the momentum, and it could've been a different story.
You mention the physicality of the game, and I agree, the refs let a lot of contact happen for both sides and were consistent there, until the end of the game. The refs suddenly started calling ticky tack fouls.
None of this is an excuse, or an attempt to validate our ridiculously bad play in the first half. Just a few thoughts I had about the refs.
Very late response on my part but I completely agree with what you said. No complaints here.
I'm glad to see us at least dig ourselves out of a hole. The past few years I think that's something we've been good at and I was wondering if it would still be there with a lot of new players. Hopefully next time it happens it also comes with a win.
Since the turn of the century against Ohio State...
3-9 in football
6-20 in basketball
How is that possible!