Not even close. OSU clearly didn't have the talent stupid shot selection by Michigan allowed them to win.
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Down the stretch there were some questionable shots, but missed open 3s don't count as stupid shot selection in my book, especially for a team that makes them at the rate we do. Just didn't go down for us today.
yea pathetic.. we get them to turn it over 3 times when we were down by 2, and we shoot 3 straight bad 3 pt shots give me a break.. we better blow them out at home
We were missing 3s all day. We came back by getting inside then we ignored it completely. Plus OSU was in foul trouble so try to get to the line!!
even a single 2 point shot during that stretch of 5 or so three point attempts would have made that a totally different ball game...
Stauskus, for all his confidence/cockiness, sure played like a timid freshman. You should be cocky only when you come through in big games. His defense was bad, poor passing that led to a few turnovers, and his lack of offense lost this game for us.
I don't think the whole game can be blamed on one person. I think it's clear that everyone contributed to this loss with bad passing, turnovers, and ill-advised 3's. The good thing is that these fixes are mostly mental and shouldn't be too hard to fix. If anything this game will be a great game to learn from.
you're probably right, but if Stauskus doesn't score, LeVert would have made more of a positive impact in those minutes. LeVert is more athletic, better passer, and a much better defender
He didn't get it done from behind the arc, but he had a couple significant rebounds. I wouldn't harp on him. This was his first off night this season. He'll find his rhythm and learn to find ways to battle through tough outings.
His defense was cringe worthy. It didn't even look like he was trying. I understand Thomas is much bigger and stronger but it was too easy on multiple plays inside the paint.
imo, maybe 2 or 3 of the final 10 attempts from 3 were good looks. most were forced off the dribble type or long range 3s, and all were missed.
Really? Please explain.
I disagree with you completely. Your post has no rationality, and is a typical loss comment with no thought put into it.
I agree. Down 21 points on the road against a Pre-Season top 5 team and we only lost by three. This team will benefit from this loss and will overcome adversity in the future.
Was the problem though.
On one hand.
On the other, the team came back, tied it up, and had half a dozen more chances to win, and could not.
Five had this terrible habit of sleep-walking their way out of the gate and building very difficult deficits to overcome by failing to be purposeful and deliberate with their offensive possessions early in games. Today looked very similar to that from Michigan to begin the game, every thing was going east and west and their was no urgency to put themselves in good positions to score. Part of that is youth. They also have to develop more sets that they go to. They simply cannot be all high pick and roll, that is too one dimension and can become very easy to defend especially when threes are not falling. They have to get Morgan early touches near the rim to at least try to develop another way to attack teams.
The road in the Big Ten is a nightmare. Ohio got every single 50/50 call, with a couple coming early that really put Michigan in a hole. They will be fine. They just have to be ready to play from the tip.
No one ever claimed the Fab Five had great coaching.
not know that this topic originated from a coaching conversation, I got lost a little bit reading everything.
So what, the Steve Fischer patented clueless deer in a headlights expression did not do much for you?
No, that was not one of the better coached games that I have seen, but you can only do so much to wake a team up. There is the throwing the chair method and there is the ride out the storm method. JB trends more toward the latter and that is what he did. They will learn not to fall behind like that as the season goes on, they need to come out with intensity and they did anything but.
Uh - not sure what game you were watching ... we lost b/c of poor execution by our guards and sf in the first half. We had like 6 or 7 turnovers in a row in one stretch. Why do you think Albrecht came in for a 5 min stretch to help turn things around? Can't blame JB for this loss.
i was disappointed that he didn't have a better game plan to deny thomas the ball. all to often, especially in the first half, we sagged off him on D. he then would get an open 3 or drive past the defender trying rushing toward him.
and no time ever should there be a switch where stauskus covers thomas. that was a key play near the end.
is very good at basketball. There really is no way to defend accept hope he misses threes. That is how they defended him and he made them. Thomas is an incredible player when he slashing and coming of intermediate screens and he kills you with that if you pressure him on the perimeter. He is one of the best players in the conference and I don't think it was a problem with the game plan. He is just really tough to guard.
We lost entirely due to execution. There were endless opportunities for us to take hold of the game, the young team just couldn't do it.
Stauskas & Robinson having their worst games of their young careers has nothing to do with coaching.
NFL draft at least a year away for both of them....
The day they are drafted to the NFL I will eat my hat.
Go home, coldjl. You are drunk.
NFL playoffs and concurrent basketball, mixed with a healthy dose of Shorts Huma Lumpa and Darkhouse Raspberry ale will have that affect.
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was not all of the problem early but I can't say that JB coached a great game today. I thought he made a couple of questionable decisions. Craft got his second with about 7 to play in the first half and Burke on the bench. I know Burke was struggling but he should have been at the scorers table the minute that they whistled Craft. Also, absent injury I would not have gone away from Horford so soon. We were getting clobbered on the boards and were having trouble meeting them at the rim so I think the size could have helped. I also really think they should have ran Stauskas off of more double screens and so forth to try to get him more open looks. I don't think they coached a bad game but it was not their A-game either.
Matta did not outcoach JB.....we dug a huge hole early and had poor selection late. Tough loss but not a bad loss
Thad Matta was a deer in the headlights the whole second half. That his team managed to avoid losing after completely blowing a 21-point lead at home is no great credit to him.
See also Tom Crean
But I find the reaction funny in the "football vs. other sports" sense...if this had been a football game, whether it be Lloyd, Rich, or Brady, and we came out so flat and poorly that we fell down 21, people would be calling for the firing of somebody. In basketball it was a great job coaching, when we clearly weren't ready to play.
I don't think it changes the status of our coaching, team, or season going forward. Just the way people react is curious.
It's apples and oranges. Basketball is a game of runs, and the home advantage is more pronounced.
I don't think the problem was that we weren't motivated/focused at the outset. I think the team was way too hyped up (Hardaway had said that it would be "the biggest game of his life") and was tight. There's no easy way to combat that when you've got a lot of underclassmen and are playing on the road for only the third time. You just have to hope they settle down in time to steal the game at the end (which we almost did).
And looking at Big Ten (and our) home and road record the last couple of years doesn't show that the road in basketball is that much tougher.
And my point is all the fine reasons you give are fine reasons we struggled. But those same fine reasons in football are the coaches fault. The start wasn't that much different than Alabama, but that was "Borges fault" or whoever. There's never been a bigger "on the players" game than Notre Dame, but people are STILL blaming coaching for that game.
I'm just not sure other than more passion what makes people more irrational about football.
i could agree if beilein had morgan and mcgary chucking up wide open 3s when that is not their strength. you know, hey it's on the players, they had open looks.
borges had denard chucking passes in the middle of the field the entire first half when that is not his strength. hence the borges meltdown.
As any look at the box score will testify. But thanks for proving my point.
M-Wolverine, that coaches are more quickly blamed for failure in football, and players in basketball. I think I have a reason. It appears more the fault of a coach when a play goes awry in football bc a coach calls every play. Even player breakdowns can appear to be coaching alignment issues.
However, in basketball, where players seem to be just playing, without as much dictation of plays by coaches, it appears more that players didn't keep their heads when the team fails. Those are my thoughts.
you mean morgan and mcgary were launching threes? i don't think so, because beilein puts his players in the best situation to succeed. most would agree borges didn't do the same for denard or any RB with the I-form dives.
We rushed more times than we passed. And a good percentage of them were in passing situations. Sounds like on 3rd and long you'd have us run just because Denard isn't good at passing.
I didn't even take your other point seriously because it's ridiculous to give credit for that. It's like saying Borges deserves credit for not having Ricky Barnum throw passes.
If those were shots that you should expect our players to make (which you should; I don't disagree) then those were passes you should expect Denard, as quarterback, to make. He wasn't do the "3-point" equivalent and having him chuck it deep. They were pretty simple passes, mostly. Against a team who's main weakness on defense wasn't their front seven, but their secondary.
And my point is not that Beilein deserves criticism for what went down yesterday; just that fans will find a way to twist the same situations of players just making boneheaded mistakes and immediately transfer it to coaches in football.
I think people are going to cut a lot of slack to a guy who has completely turned around a dormant program and was 16-0 going into the game. If Trey's shot had gone down he'd probably be 17-0.
I don't know what schdule you're looking at. Last year alone: lose at Indiana, win at home; murdered at OSU, win at home; pummeled at Sparty, win at home; lose at a terrible Iowa team. That was on a team with incredible senior leadership. B1G road basketball is VERY difficult, especially with 5 frosh contributors.
I kind of thought it looked like they had just rolled out of bed before they took the floor. No question that it was huge game but I do think they came out unfocussed. The lack of intensity on the glass was evident from the jump. They were flat footed and tight. Morgan especially looked out of sorts from the outset.
1) You've come out against Beilein and his system many times in the past, so you must have been waiting eagerly for this one.
2) Anyone calling for a football coach's firing after a close loss to a top 15 team on the road is an idiot, and it's not common here (and I know you're aware of this). "Fire Borges" didn't appear the first time his playcalling appeared to doom us - it started in full force maybe the fifth time.
3) As our resident basketball expert, please explain your evidence that we were "clearly [not] ready to play." Our extremely young team came out intimidated for 10 minutes in its first extremely tough road game of the year. You can only coach that out so much - the guys just have to experience it. Beilein proceeded to make adjustments and nearly made up a 21 point deficit. He allowed Burke to settle down and (IMO) expertly used Morgan and McGary in the second half.
Losses (certainly close ones on the road) can prove that you've got a rock solid coach. I'm not sure this one really did, but you can't put this game on the coaches simply because a young team fell behind early.
1. The only one eagerly awaiting anything is you. You have barely posted for a year, but leapt at the chance to misinterpret me again.
And the funny thing is, Beilein has drastically changed his system, coaches, and recruiting, so he obviously saw the need to do something different too. So he agreed with me.
2. You're just being disingenuous. It happens all the time. In Borges case it's been going on since at least MSU '11. But before that including ND. Frankly it started the day "Rich won't be running our offense" for some.
3. You make your own point. 21 down proves it. We may have had great strategy (as the rest of the game shows, we probably did) but weren't ready mentally. Youth isn't going to work as an excuse because in college basketball you are always going to be young. Nature of the beast if you want to stay good. And while coaching carries SOME blame for the start, it deserves a lot of credit for getting us back into the game.
And per usual you and everyone else seem to be missing the point. A rational reaction to this loss is a good thing. People should react similarly when the sport with the funny shaped ball is played. But they won't, because they care more about that.
officiating was officiating. I thought we settle for way too many long threes late, perhaps because of a shitty inside game, and we didn't put enough pressure on Deshaun Thomas.
is officiating but sometimes it is bad and has an impact on the game. It did today. The officials did not "cost us the game" as the saying goes but it certainly did not help.
Honestly it's just a game we have to learn from. We have proven we can come back on the road down by a huge margin...just didn't finish. On to the next one.
your logic is not welcome here.
It's tough to comeback from a 21 point deficit. You get in a 21 point deficit by making stupid decisions with the ball and shooting like shit. Pretty simple. Hopefully learn from it and bounce back.
Meh. We're better than them, we'll win in Crisler. Stauskas won't have that awful a game and if we get two obvious calls (Burke and 1, THJr gets clotheslined) they have to make a shot to win at the end which they wouldn't.
Team was overamped to start and made mental errors. Once they settled down we kicked their ass. I am unconcerned on the macro level after the last 30 minutes.
On the micro level, I think we lose Thursday, before getting everything under control until we go to Bloomington.
The Burke and 1 you're right, but we hit a three on the possession where THJ got fouled, so it's hard to say that call would have changed the outcome. We actually benefitted from the no call as we would have been shooting free throws otherwise.
Just could make shots. That's all there is to it. Make a couple of those threes in the first half, and it's a completely different ballgame.
Losing by 3 after being down 21 in the first half on the road in the Big Ten tells me that this team will be just fine.
Oops double post.
That was probably the most selfish game I've ever seen. We didn't play like a team one bit. Trey Burke gets all "I need to beat OSU by myself". It would be nice to see Michigan step it up in a big game and knock a team out like OSU with this much talent. But like the first post said , JB was outcoached...
How was he out coached? Explain, rather than just spewing nonsense.
Ohio was better prepared...played like a team...that's a coach preparing his team. Michigan never could settle down...they kept taking horrible shots....a coach needs to make the right moves to prevent that from happening.
See: Spike Albrecht getting some early PT to turn things around. JB did his job, the players didn't execute. Simple as that
I'll apolgize...I will not have any reason in my comments today. I hate losing to Ohio State in anything...and a game like that...with a team like ours is just disheartening. I will now go buy beer and calm myself down before the Patriots smoke the Texans out of the playoffs.
Well your comment wasn't that unreasonable. Michigan did come out mentally unprepared, and it's at least fair to question what the coaches did or didn't do to cause them to come out so flat. Still, it's not like coaches can completely prevent players from making bad decisions.
Disagree with this comment re: mental preparation.
The coaching staff gets too much credit and too much blame in these instances.
We're a young team. Playing our first big road game of the year. I don't care what a coach says or does, there's only so much you can do to prepare someone for a game like this.
The players have to execute...and, in the first 15 minutes, they didn't. Even the normally sure-handed Burke was bobbling and mishandling the ball quite a bit. They were nervous and, as a result, they made mistakes. It happens.
Doesn't negate the fact that we clearly proved that we are a top team...one that will contend for the Big Ten title and be a factor in mid-March and beyond.
On a that note. Spike looked really solid given the situation.
...watching different games.
UM was obviously tight coming out. Jitters led to poor decision making, turnovers, ill-advised shots, etc. Understandable with a young team that has yet to face a real road test.
It's a credit to the coaching staff and the poise of the team that we came back from a 20-point deficit and made a game of it. Yes, we lost. But, we did "step it up in a big game."
On a side-note, did anyone catch Clark Kellogg's comment to Matta about how much he sweats during games? Funny stuff...
I hate this part of being a sports fan. Although it sucks, this isn't the end and our team will learn from this. The season will go on.
Looked like the ghost of Stu Douglass posessed half of our offense that game.
Um, pretty much everybody's owned us the last decade.
Escaping with a 3-point win at home hardly constitutes "ownage." They were lucky as hell to survive today.
You can't play like garbage for any amount of time on the road against a solid team and expect to win. Playing uphill the whole game is taxing. Hopefully, this will give our younger guys some needed experience for the b10 season so that the game slows down on the road a bit.
We weren't going to win every game this year, and this was one of the harder on the schedule along with @IU, @MSU and @Minny. This doesn't kill us in the b10 race, but we need to win some of these tough road games.
Its nice to see some rational thoughts!!
This was basically a carbon copy of the Arkansas game last year. Another horrific start and 20-point deficit and then missed 3 by Burke in the final minute that would have won it.
Shot the ball terribly the last two games. We still beat a bad Nebraska team by 15, and lost narrowly on the road to #15 (and our rival). We'll get it together. Learn from it, get better and move on.
Forced too many threes towards the end of the game
The guys were too amped up at the start of the game which is a result of youth. What did you guys expect? Even the Fab 5 didn't win every game. I do like the facebook comments from MSU and Ohio fans pretending to be Michigan fans saying that we'll lose every game now and won't make the sweet sixteen.
I'll probably get downvoted for this but I feel okay about Thursday. We've had Minnesota's number at The Barn.
2009 - LLP with the clutch 3 to boost our tourney hopes
2010 - another W
2011 - another W
2012 - DNP
This is a way better Gopher team than those teams. They basically played the same game we did today yesterday, but @Indiana, who is much, much better than Ohio.
True, but this is also a better Michigan team than the ones that won at Minnesota those years, too.
It can be done. Sparty very nearly won there a week ago.
Albrecht played some meaningful minutes, as a freshman, in a tough Big Ten road game. He's already exceeded my expectations.
I really like when he is on the court with Burke at the same time. I actually would like to see Spike eat into Nik's minutes a bit. He doesn't have the 3 point shot, but he takes care of the ball a lot better.
Albrecht's actually not a bad 3-point shooter. He was 5-14 on the year entering today and I think he went 1-2 in this game.
outplayed Stauskus....by alot...He turned it around by attacking the defense in the middle of the first half....great confidence building game by Spike
The big ten refs allow these clutch and grab games with very low scoring. In the NCAA tournament the refs do not allow this. Therefore the big has not won a title in over ten years. Ohio elected to employ this strategy and it worked.
Some people seem to need a filter on their thoughts. Hey guess what we lost to a top 15 team on the road, I guarantee we'll lose 3-4 more of these type of games because no road game in this conference is going to be easy, and it's certainly going to be another challenge on Thursday might in the barn. That's just the way this conference is this year, deal with it.
I am as mad that they lost to Ohio as anyone. It sucks. Please quit finger pointing with the coaches did this the players did that. They lost. On the road in the big ten. To a quality team. It will happen again this season so be prepared. Life goes on and Michigan will have at least one more chance to play them. Grow the F up and be rational.
You're in a snowflake thread, what did you expect to see here?
This would really suck if it were 1 of 8 B1G games and the only game against Ohio. But it's not.
guess what...this is a fan message board...if people want to second guess and finger point after a loss, they should...now is the time. Other times, I would support your statement. This very same process will go on in team meetings this week
What is a word worse than pathetic? That was our performance.
Yet we only lost by three on the road to the #15 team in the country. Oh yeah, and fought back from a 21 point deficit. Even playing the worst game all year, they definitely could have still pulled it off with a little better shot selection, better luck, and not getting jobbed by the refs on every close call
Your username explains your outlook very well.
Putting yourself in a 21 point hole is always a bad idea.
Hardaway played poorly all game.
Burke made poor choice in the last few possessions.
And Stauskas scoring 0 points is never going to help.
FUCK MOTHER FUCKING SHIT
I don't think Stauskas even took many shots...if he moves around more he'll get more looks against a defense like that...
I would like to see us run nik off double screens. He stands in the corner becaue that is his role in the offense. We need to get him easy shots.
but i would like to see more motion period. we often looked like we were playing a zone offense a la tommy amaker, waiting for burke to do something.
i would like to see GRIII criss cross the baseline more with stauskus to help create more backdoor baskets, cut back 3s, or even alley oops.
but hey, it ain't easy working in 4 freshmen and i'm sure the main focus has been on the defensive side from beilein.
Experience is why we lost. We have far more talent than them, but took way too many dumb shots late in the game, and all game long really. This will get better throughout the year though.
Still extremely optimistic about this team. Lets be real, if we can go on the road against a high quality opponent and play that poorly and STILL almost win... that's something to be excited about.
I don't buy the experience factor. Look at Kentucky last year.
Lol yeah experience doesn't matter. Right. 2012 Kentucky is not the norm. They had way more talent than literally every single other team. They won IN SPITE of their inexperience.
what is your point? we have more talent than OSU.
not according to the recruiting sites.
Just to clarify. UK had 3 upperclassmen on last years team with experience who are now on nba rosters.
Kind of like Morgan and THJ?
2011-2012 Kentucky Basketball Roster
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|#3||Terrence Jones||F||So.||6-9||252||Portland, OR (Jefferson)|
|#20||Doron Lamb||G||So.||6-4||210||Queens, NY (Oak Hill Academy)|
|#33||Kyle Wiltjer||F||Fr.||6-9||239||Portland, OR (Jesuit)|
|#23||Anthony Davis||C||Fr.||6-10||220||Chicago, IL (Perspectives Charter|
|#14||Michael Kidd-Gilchrist||F||Fr.||6-7||232||Somerdale, NJ (St. Patrick)|
|#25||Marquis Teague||G||Fr.||6-2||189||Indianapolis, IN (Pike)|
|#4||Jon Hood||G||Jr.||6-7||215||Madisonville, KY (North Hopkins)|
|#22||Stacey Poole||G||So.||6-4||200||Jacksonville, FL (Providence)|
|#5||Jarrod Polson||G||So.||6-2||185||Nicholasville, KY (W. Jessamine)|
|#30||Eloy Vargas||F||Sr.||6-11||244||Plantation, FL (Miami-Dade CC)|
|#10||Twany Beckham||G||So.||6-5||205||Louisville, KY (Miss. State)|
|#12||Ryan Harrow||G||So.||6-2||175||Marietta, GA|
|#13||Sam Malone||G||Fr.||5-11||190||Scituate, Mass.|
|#32||Brian Long||G||Fr.||5-9||150||Dumont, NJ (River Dell)|
What is your point? Kentucky didn't go undefeated last year either.
If you read the previous posts...my point is just because you are inexperienced (i.e. freshmen and sophmores) does not matter as much in college basketball. Road games are tough whether you are a freshman or senior. THJ played a horrible game and he is a junior. Inexperience is no excuse for lack of effort in the first half and poor shot selection. That is more on coaching and strategy than inexperience.
Kentucky was one of the youngest teams in the country and won it all. Our more talented team should have overcome the situation better than they did. I am not just brushing off this loss as "oh well we are young." Shouldn't matter. Play better.
Hold on. Did you just say that we're more talented than Kentucky last season? Are you crazy? UK had four first-round picks (including the #1 and #2 players overall) and two more second-round picks in the NBA draft last season. We have some talent, but we're not even close to that.
And again - even with that unbelievable amount of talent, UK lost twice last year. Even great teams have the occasional bad game. It's not worth going ballistic over.
more talent than OSU. Many people would agree with me on that statement. Clearly not as talented as Kentucky. Simply trying to say talent > experience.
Inexperience is a BS excuse if you are the more talented team.
bad officiating at key points and us taking dumb 3's.
Glad to see THJ step up late, but Trey, GRII, Nik need to play way better.
Hopefully the young guys will learn from this and it will make them tougher and better going forward., I love this team and still believe in them big time, CBB is too hard to go undefeated.
While we lost I actually feel even better about this team...fighting back from 21 point deficit to make it a game at the end is pretty impressive. as a few people have already said, I think smarter shot selection could be the key...some bad turnovers in the first half as well on off-balance passes. Mcgary had some nice buckets inside and spike albrecht held his own and might've been the key to the lead not going over 21.
yawn.. wake me up in 30 years when we can actually beat OSU in any sport on the road.. another pathetic game, and showed how bad all our young players still are
Basically what I had to say.
Yep, because breaking a losing streak on the road to ohio definitely is more important than winning conference championships and NCAA Tournament games.
I have to agree with someone earlier.
For some reason it seems that osu takes this game way more seriously than us. Fucking sick of it.
On the contrary, I think a lot of our guys (particularly Burke) took this game WAY too seriously and tried too hard to force the issue today.
Such an odd comment in a 200 post "snowflake" thread, after a couple of 600 post game threads and numerous hype threads.
Stop acting like "we're too cool to care about sports". It's a sports blog fergodsakes.
Take home: don't get into a 21-point deficit by uncharacteristically committing a ridiculous amount of turnovers and missing a whole bunch of shots.
On the bright side, I think it is a testament to this team that we could play that awfully yet still be in a position to win at the end. Everyone knew the B1G would be a gauntlet. Beilein will be able to use this game as a teaching point, and we will get better as the season marches on.
Very true. I don't think we can rally play any worse. THJ and Stauskas were 1-9 from 3. That's not going to happen very often.
Color me surprised.
Serenity now, serenity now, serenity now....
But teaching moments and experience building don't quench our immediate rage!
Spot a team 22 points and you aren't gonna win. That simple
We can only spot them 18. Got it.
We would have won.
My typical post-loss rage is actually pretty quiet today. This was a great learning experience for the team. Against a decent squad in the big ten, you simply cannot come out that flat and expect to win.
I felt the difference was the shot selection in the last 5 minutes. I believe I counted 6 straight 3s, almost all of them early in the shot clock. If Michigan stays patient there, they probably win the game. I expect a 15-20 point win at Crisler.
I 100% agree with your post. I also think it will trim the cockiness that couldn't help but build up after feasting on all those cupcakes this season. B1G is all about toughness and smart basketball. Today will teach these kids this.
Well said by the both of you. I don't find this notion as solace either, making ourselves feel better after that loss; I think it's the actual truth.
On the road. It happens, but unfortunately it was our first lost of the season and it was Ohio. Get over it guys!!!! If we reach our goals then this lost will be a small blip on our radar. Now if we get swept then hide your kids, hide your wife..
I think we are. We are defiantly in the mix with the top five teams in the country. Watch some basketball man. Number one lost to a team we beat at home. They also beat that the team that beat us in comeback fashion in their building early in the year. Indiana lost to a team they shouldn't have lost to. Louisville lost to duke, early in the season. Why don't we belong in that mix? Enlighten me.
Not to mention we shot 38%, got down by 21 and had to claw back, on the road against a team that before NC State was I believe played the closest game against Duke. Not many teams could have persevered through that.
You don't play road games in March and this team has showed they can play very well in neutral site games.
against questionable competition, mind you. west virginia, pitt and k-state are not all that intimidating. where osu had a significant leg up on us today, among other places, was they have played against great competition. we simply have not.
It's a good lesson for the young guys on our team. You can't open flat like that against a good team on the road. On the other hand, working hard and getting back into the game despite a 20pt deficit is a positive lesson to never give up.
"This is a ticket to the Nutcracker."
The tone reminded me of David Boston's "we just need to take care of business" talk. (I think what you say to yourself in these types of statements is far more important than what the other team hears.)
Given that Beilein gave Bacari this duty, I wonder if Beilein had some psychology-fu in mind. Like, over the long run, this young team would benefit from an early game smack-in-the-mouth type experience and having to deal with it.
The Bad Boys Pistons had a motto "Never concede nothing" (double negatives are ok in sports-talk). I wonder if Beilein wanted to instill that through the school of hard knocks? (If so, I doubt he thought the lesson would turn into a 21 point deficit.)
I know this sounds crazy, but that pre-game speech, "Let's walk out there and cruise" doesn't seem like the message you'd want to send before a big game battle.
Dude, you saw 30 seconds of what was likely a 10-20 minute pre-game talk.
I didn't expect to be 16-1 with our only loss being at Ohio by 3. I'm cool. If we don't show up Thursday I may embarrass myself.
Welp - that is over. It hurts a little bit and sucks that we didn't play our best game or even our "average" game.
To me what's most disappointing was the lack of poise. We didn't know time/possession or understand the "moment" well at ALL. It cost us.
This game came down to two things: Attacking the rim and turnovers.
In the first half Ohio was all over us, there is only one way to stop this....get to the free throw line. Instead, we were on our heels throwing the ball away.
Spike understood this and he got us going, we're not even in this game without his contributions in the first half.
With that, there were a number of just bonehead plays. LeVert's bad pass for a huge dunk, Hardaway's throwaway at the end of the first half. It was just stuff that you shouldn't see from ANY team - let alone the #2 team in the country.
In the 2nd half, I think the moment really got to Burke. He seemed to be trying to come home and put a dagger in the hearts of the Buckeyes.
I really liked having Spike run the point because it got us in an offense and allowed Burke to play off the ball and as a part of the offense.
In the 2nd half we had the game...we'd climbed back attacking the basket and it made OSU back off on the pressure. Then Hardaway gets HACKED and it was like "oh man, if they're not calling that...then shit, we better take 3's" then it was like "well if he can't hit 3's...maybe I can" then it was like "damn, we're down 4...let's get back in this game...with a 3!"
We missed all the 3's, they were all bad shots and it was curtains.
We have to learn from this game. You have to understand teams are going to pressure you, you can't curl up and turn your back on it...you have to attack it head on and create plays. You're going to get the other team in foul trouble and it does a few things.
1. Gets you to the line - so you're still getting points
2. Get's the best players and starters out of the game - and when they're out, you make your run
3. When the players come back in the game, they can't be aggressive.
It's very simple, but you have to be mentally tough and attack pressure. You can't shoot over it.
Word up. Good post.
I know we can beat Ohio, but the biggest pain I'm feeling is that we have to wait a while to get our revenge on them.
Was at work so I only seen the last 3 mins.,but the shot selection in particularly by Burke was very questionable. Craft might just have his number. We most likely spent all our energy coming back and just couldnt finish. This first lost could have come to anybody nut ohio...
- We have little/no interior defense, OSU exploited that. Most importantly was their 6 straight points after we tied it at 46 from right underneath the basket.
- Where's our points? We were averaging 80+ points and shooting 51.4% coming into the game Wednesday against Nebraska. Since then, we've scored 62 and 53 and shot 38.9% and 38.3%, respectively
- Stauskas' regression to the mean is sad. He's missed 15 of his last 22 three pointer attempts and is not a start on defense. At this point, he's a liability.
- We're a very young team, that youth showed tonight
- Burke: Maybe it's playing in Columbus that gets him jacked up, but he was abolutely lost. The sloppy passes, the turnovers, the poor shot selection. He looked nothing like a Player of the Year candidate
- Speaking of turnovers, yeah, they hurt. We averaged 9 a game and had 9 at the half, OSU grabbed 16 points off of our turnovers in the first half and that's ultimately what killed us
Good lord, that is a dumb post. Stauskas a liability? Because of a couple of bad outings? Get a grip dude. We played awful to a good team on the road, and lost by 3. No big deal.
Another bright spot was the game of Albrecht. 7 pts and no turnovers.
He played under control and solid defense on Craft.
I've always wondered...why is it called a snowflake thread?
Is it because you want to go "mother******* ******** ****! We ****! Why didn't we ***** do that in the first half? (insert name) needs to ****** ****** ***** *****!!!!"
...and it looks like snowflakes?
"Special little snowflake" thread, because WHAT I HAVE TO SAY MUST BE HEARD, and someone got the smart idea of creating a thread to contain it.
It was BiSB if I remember correctly, may he rest in peace.
I have unilaterally implementing a new rule. Well, I guess the rule isn't NEW so much as it just hasn't been enforced. Either way, it's a thing now, and it's called the Snowflake Rule. The Snowflake Rule is simple: threads that just repeat the same stuff everyone else is thinking are not thread-worthy. Here are some ways to know if you are in violation of the Snowflake Rule:
- Your thread title begins with the words "My thoughts on," "My opinion regarding," or "What I think about"
- You cover a topic tat has been covered multiple times on the board or on the front page
- The evidence supporting your post's hypothesis is entirely (a) opinion and/or (b) empty, high-level, tautological statements like "Denard is fast"
- Your conclusion is something either obvious or completely opinion-based, like "we will be better if the blockers block people" or "Kalis should play because I think he'd be better." Or, as a totally hypothetical example, "Denard should run because Denard is fast at running."
Bottom line: posting a unique take on things is perfectly acceptable. If you want to post about a proposed defensive alignment or scheme that will allow the line to get better penetration? Knock yourself out. Want to demonstrate why Denard should run more by providing an analysis of past running QBs or of Michigan's success based on various run/pass ratios? We'd like to read it. But posting your take on a common question will get your thread pulled like something from a Weezer song.
But who was the first half smartass/half genius who posted a "snowflake" thread to contain all the snowflakes? Think it might have even been a Sunday morning thread.
I made one once, but it was far from the first. If I had to guess it would have been the same night that BiSB posted this, but I really don't know.
(but thought to be profoundly different by thread originators), usually the posts are mostly the same (i.e. all snowflakes) and not deserving of their own thread.
Just my guess/interpretation.
Remember 1989 when we lost to Illinois in the regular season in 1989 and then beat them in the final four. Shit happens, but we still get at least one more shot at Ohio and it won't be close when they face us at Crisler.
Lost to them twice in the regular season and Glenn Rice was on fire in the final four.
They didn't play well on the road with #1 hanging over their heads and Trey trying to make a statement in C-bus. I had a bad feeling about the team focusing on the wrong things after seeing Hardaway's tweet last night. However, they settled in and fought back but they couldn't overcome all o'd their mistakes. A lot of lessons to be learned from a poor performance and I think this will end up being a game that will be looked back on as when the team realized that the only way they lose is if they beat themselves.
Burke definitely was not himself today. He tried to do way too much.
I liked the sound of "Snokeflakes", but I could not find a hidden meaning, and now it is gone.
About Brady Hoke. Seemed too OT right now.
Way too passive going to the hole. We needed to match their hand checking and physicality in the beginning so the refs have no choice but to call fouls. Instead they got away with fouls which led to turn overs and easy buckets. Not to mention everyone was clearly rattled and were off their game. What's done is done, they'll have to gulp this one down and pay them back in AA. Go blue!
I know it's been brought up by a few in this post as well as other posts the past few weeks but what is up with these slow starts?! I mean, other than the Northwestern game, the other three games in Big Ten play have had just horrible starts to the game. I'd love to say that this will only cost us a game or two this season but I'm not so sure anymore. 1 game, ok...two games, eek...three games, folks, we have a trend. And it's a trend that has got to stop! Are teams just amped to play us? Are we overly excited and get sloppy? Are we asleep? Curious on your thoughts...Hail!
Stauskas was brutally bad today. Hardaway was bad for the first half. Robinson was off today. Burke played his worst game of the year and they were an in and out 3 pointer away from coming back from 21 on the road to win.
And stauskas was nonexistent
We lost by 3 on the road to the #15 team in the country after our best player had a shot rattle out with a chance to go up by one with 15 seconds left.
I don't see any scenario where we don't blow them out by double digits on the return trip.
Given the terrible start, we erased a 21 point deficit on the road at the #15 team's home court which is a pretty solid home court advantage (as compared to NW). We'll be fine. I'd bet we'll beat them by 15 in Ann Arbor
Too bad, though.
Enough with the moral victory junk. We did that two years ago when we lost to osu by four at home, we shouldn't be doing it now. You have to beat your rivals and we are not good at it.
I don't think anyone here is arguing it's a moral victory. Are you denying that it could potentially be a good learning experience for the team? We are 3-1 against MSU in our last four, and we split with OSU last year. Barring another mental collapse, we will almost certainly win at Crisler.
Its not about moral victories, its about being realistic. Very few teams go undefeated.
Duke lost to NC State on the road.
Indiana lost to Butler at a neutral site.
Ohio State is arguably better than both of those teams and we were a 1/2 an inch away from being up by 1 against them on their home court with 15 seconds left after being down 21. The loss sucks, especially since its them, but its not something to get overly upset over.
Sick of not winning big games much more often than not. Seriously, this is Michigan and that is why we are who we are. That is how we used dominate others.
No "maize" unis in a rivalry game. WTF?
Happy with the effort, not happy with the result, they tied it up then settled for 8 three point attempts in a row
Their misery is easing my pain...
might wanna hold off on that....
Im going to bed...
You mean the Seahawks?
by 18 after trailing by 21 without really having their A game today
thats a snowflake.
Keentucky lost to Indiana and Vanderbilt last year. In today's CBB, no one is immune to having a blemish somewhere.
After taking 5 minutes to cool down, it's not hard to take this as an encouraging game actually. We played like dogshit for 90 percent of the game and only lost by 3. Tells me this team is as outrageously talented as we thought, and if they get their heads screwed on in pregame instead of at halftime they should be able to beat anyone.
That's a hard place to play and they were jacked up. We won't start play or shoot that bad again and won't face them at home. We will be just fine and im encouraged with the comeback.
1. Gotta be smarter and realize what is working and what isn't. If we can't hit a three to save our lives we should probably stop jacking them, especially when we had already erased the deficit.
2. Obviously you can't come out that sloppy and spot a good team a 20 point lead.
3. Burke tries too hard to show Ohio they should have offered him.
4. Impressed with this team's ability to compose themselves and almost make the comeback.
5. McGary played pretty big in the second half.
6. Stauskas needs to refocus himself.
7. I still believe this team can win the conference, but the next game is going to be tough.
#1 was the most frustrating thing for me. If I see Hardaway jack one more deep three early in the shot clock I swear to god....
Stauskas should never be guarding anyone down low, ever.
Neg away, but having a 16-1 basketball team is a good problem to have.
You can't win every game nowadays. Would have loved to see Michigan ranked #1 and break the 1985-86 team's record but there are more important things like this to worry about-
Everyone is going to lose a couple of road games in the B1G.
Everyone reminisces about the
1985-1986 1988-1989 team.
That 1988-89 team wasn't the best either. They had some great players, but some flaws too.
Didn't win the B1G, lost to a DIVISION 2 team in Alaska-Anchorage but still won the trophy that trumps all trophies.
The most impressive part of this game for me was Spike sparking the comeback. He was easily the most mentally prepared player despite being a freshman bench player. He came in and controlled the offense very nicely after Burke was trying to do too much at times. Spike didn't turn the ball over and was locked in during his free throws. Hopefully he can help the other freshmen be as prepared as he was before the head out to Minnesota.
Sick of this shit already. Michigan has like a mental block against this school and it's old and tiresome....
It's not that we lost, it's the WAY we lost!
When is the last time Michigan has won a big game on the road in either sport?
2009 @ Minnesota to keep dance hope alive
2011 at MSU was a pretty big deal. That completely turned that season around.
In this sport, what really matters is winning the big neutral site games if you know what I mean.
Ahhhh well. Gotta keep your head up Blue! We're still a top 5 team in my eyes. No reason to believe we can't bounce back from one loss. We damn near came back from down 21. That's solid... GO BLUE!!!!,
Suck it Pete Carroll.
That is all.
Yeah but kind of feel bad for Russell Wilson. That guy is a budding superstar.
Here's my snowflake:
- 2012 Kentucky had 2 losses
- 2011 Connecticut had 9(!) losses
- 2010 Duke had 5 losses
And I could go on.
The national champion is usually not undefeated. In a conference as good as the Big Ten, we're going to pick up losses.
We will mop the floor with them at Crisler.
We are going to the NCAA tournament.
well we lost. it happens. it sucks that it was against ohio, but i think we'll split with them. they didn't beat us because they were the better team. the question the team has to ask itself now is how are they going to respond? they've got a pretty rough stretch coming up with minnesota and illinois, then indiana isn't that far off.
Keep this in mind. We haven't won at Value city arena since I was in 3rd fucking grade. I'm a freshman in college. And I remember watching that game, bragging about it the next day, and no one caring.
That has a lot to do with the fact that we were a crappy program most of the last decade. This was the first time in 10-12 years we didn't go in there as a big underdog.
to be fair, we were a pretty crappy program for most of those years.
I'm sick of our inability to consistently beat Ohio State in football and basketball.
I have an extra sad that one such loss was Ohio State.
Are failing to give credit to a pretty good defensive effort by the bucks. Those forced shots, turnovers and bad FG % could be due to that. Don't mean to mess up the narratives but their D was pretty suffocating in the 1st.
Michigan tightened up in the 2nd, so a pretty good effort, 1st half notwithstanding.
OSU played the best D (in the first half) we've seen all season. They defended the pick and roll quite aggressively and forced quite a few TO's and questionable shots. Stauskas was a non-factor. For a 7-8 minute stretch in the 2nd half, our D really stepped it up and the shots were falling because of better offensive execution. OSU is an ugly club to watch (like Amaker teams). Our club will get better but has to be ready from the beginning vs Minnesota. That barn will be rocking moreso than that outhouse in Cbus. Have to win on the road to be conference champs. Many chances ahead.
It shows thay Ohio cannot score enough in a half court game to keep up --- unless we throw up on ourselves in the first half. Crap
16-0 wouldn't have won us a trophy. This game was a lot like Arkansas last year (including the Burke miss), and the team will rebound to contend until the last day of the season. 5 freshmen in top 9 grew up a lot today.
Beilein, Burke, Hardaway, and the squad are completely fine. Can't win them all but we immediately have another chance at a big road win with @ Minnesota next.
Don't know if this is a "snowflake" or not, but what's the deal with Jordan Morgan? He has been from what i can see ineffective in the past couple games, and McGary has been a monster. I don't understand why in those last crucial minutes why they played him over Mitch when every rebound counts.
Is that JMO is are steady, you know what you're getting type of player. You might not feel him as much as Mitch but sometimes that's a good thing (defensive lapses, turnovers). I like what I've been seeing from Mitch for sure but I can't criticize the decision to have a seasoned, proven veteran like Morgan in at any point. Jordan Morgan has proven over the last three years that we can count on him to win games.
I was pleasantly surprised with how mature McGary played. Future is bright with that kid. I don't think Beilein was out coached, they were down 21 and came back from a really slow start- turnovers were the difference early.
How much do you reckon tickets for the Michigan State game will go for?
More than I can afford right now
When you have four players that account for 60+ pts, you can't afford for more than 2 to have a bad night. Stauskas was nonexistent, GRIII was ok, Hardaway was less than ok, and Burke was ok. That doesn't win big ten road games against top 15 competition. Yay for Spike- he was great. Levert was a deer in the headlights. Morgan was poor. McGary seemed to do well on offense. Good to see Horford back in.
But with that said, we fought hard, and I was proud of this team for not giving up.
I would also like to say that OSU is beatable, and the refs sucked. I can list the arm bar no call on Hardaway, the and one that wasn't called on Burke and the ghost of a charge on Stauskas in the opening min. But hey, too many turnovers, but I think we will grow. It's great that Michigan basketball is in a situation where we get really upset over just 1 loss. 16-1 is nothing to be ashamed of- we just have to defend home court, and win ourselves a big ten championship!
We're not upset because its one loss. We're upset because its Ohio that beat us, and its the way they beat us.
I cannot wait for the day when Michigan has a serious threat down low.
And unfortunately that may come next year once Burke, Hardaway, and GRIII are gone.
Stauskus should've sat after showing he wouldn't be effective today. I love Morgan but McGary should have received more minutes today. The team seemed to be better when he was out there. It's tough to nitpick a 3 point loss. I'm glad Burke took that shot near the end. Your best player should take that shot. Young team with the first real conference test did well. They won't play that bad in the future.
You want Burke taking that shot, but I would have preferred something going towards the basket. Really no need for a 3 there.
He's our best player and he felt comfortable taking it so yes.
I thought coming back like that and blowing it was going to stick the knife in AND twist it. But after some time it made me feel better that this team is actually talented enough and not overrated; just can't sleepwalk to begin games any more. All of the goals are still there. Losing our first in a tough one in Columbus was expected for awhile. We just didn't expect to look like shit for 10 minutes.
On the bright side no one is crawling out from under rocks to tell me our coaching is going to lead us to an undefeated season after this game.
Glad to see McGary emerge over the last few weeks. We'll need him on Thursday.
It seemed like ohio and Neb both took a defensive strategy of overplaying the passing lanes to isolate the ball handling/passing skills. We need to solve that as we move forward and into the tourney. Fewer turnovers and better shot selection, hitting FTs and inside shot/rebound presence would help too.
As a side note, I think we were a mid-seed in '89 (6?) and Glen Rice went batshit crazy in the NCAAs; this team is easily as talented, if not more.
this team may be as talented as the 89 team relative to its competition, however, the 89 team was more talented than this team. that team had at least 5 guys make it to the nba; two of which started for several years.
ncaa teams in general had more talent last century because kids stayed at least 3 years with few exceptions.
We had a goto scorer in Glen Rice, all five starters who crashed the boards, but knew their roles. Also, Rice, Mills, Vaught, Hughes could score in the post. This team doesn't have that and would get pounded by the 89 squad.
was a huge kick in the nuts attending that game. I had to take shit the entire first half blowout and then take it again because Burke couldn't finish. Burke had a rough day and was cold. It happens. Coach B made a bad playcall off the last timeout. An iso dribble fest with a fade away 3 by a player having a terrible day? Not a good call. I'm also concerned that we have no post game at all. It will hurt us on the road and late in the NCAA tourney. Oh well, I'm still excited for this team and I'll root my ass off for them. Go Blue!
I am so fucking sick of losing to Ohio..this athletic dept better make some changes and learn how to keep up because we have gotten our asses stomped for years now in both Basketball and football..go ahead and Flamebait me i dont give a shit
100%. People need to start REALLY wanting to beat Ohio.
It's true. They focus all of their energy on us and we need to do the same.
Casa Tech Cb/Wr Dameon Webb committed to Ohio State per his Twitter https://twitter.com/damewebb/status/290573205578608640
Stupid IPhone spell check
On this board? Dude has a right to be cocky and can still be a Michigan man simultaneously. You should be more concerned he might have lost some confidence in this game.
I love Stauskus bot honestly he was getting way to cocky for having beaten up on a bunch of bums. Back when he was flying high I remember an interview where they asked him how he felt about shooting 58% from 3, and he responded by saying he's actually been a little off because he usually shoots 60%. Honestly he'll be lucky if he stays above 40%.
What is wrong with that quote? Should he have said, "yeah, but I will most likely shoot worse the rest of the way". C'mon man. Give the kid a break. He is a sick talent and had a bad day to the detriment of our team. I don't think we should be waiting in the bushes for the first glimpse that this kid is human. Seems a bit much. I want him to keep his swagger, put on about 20lbs., and have trey and th help him get off. His couple of turnovers and the defensive mismatches hurt a little today but that was not the story. We gave up 16 points on turnovers in the first half and got out roughed. We still made a game of it. Could have used some cocky shooting at the end. Better hope he stays so.
Confidence is good, it gives you the boost you need to make big plays and hit big shots. When you're cocky, you run the risk of underestimating your opponent and getting flustered when the ball doesn't bounce your way.
Look, I'm not hating on Stauskas but I do think he's getting a bit ahead of himself when he says he's gonna shoot 60% from 3 (the NCAA record is 51%) and that he's the best shooter in the country... I know, part of it is just being young and enjoying the spotlight, but I believe he'll become a much better player once he matures. I'd say today was a bit of a lesson in humility for Canadian Bacon...
How losing this game will affect Derrick Green's decision?
Thanks for the laugh on a day like this
When you're down 20 in the first ten minutes of a game, it's hard as hell not to just give up. Michigan didn't. And they gave one hell of a fight. If Michigan can get calmed down within the first couple of minutes, they can beat anyone in the nation.
Does anyone else think we'd benefit greatly from getting away from the pick and roll a little bit? It's wonderful to have in our arsenal but we become too reliant on it in the half court and the result is Trey dribbling too much with no movement from others. It was great when DMo was running it because he could throw passes over defenders. Trey doesn't have that luxury. We need more movement (how about an occasional backcut) and less reliance on the pick and roll.
The second chance shots also hurt us. When they miss, you have to get the rebound. It was hard enough to guard the first shot but to not get the rebound hurt us even more.
2 things hurt us the most:
1) Most of the team seemed not as intense as Ohio. I like the opening stuff w/ BA every game and the nutcracker thing was funny, but you have prepare that team for the intensity you know Ohio will bring in the 1st 5.
2) Burke and THJ (in the 2H) tried to do too much. I think you have to hype up the team, while taking Trey and THJ aside and tell them, a) not to do too much and play within the offense- b) trust your teamates to make shots, it's not all on them.
Also, that last play where Trey had the 3 rim out, I thought they'd draw up something different than Trey 1 on 1. Some kind of double screen that leaves an option for a drive/dish. disappointing coming out of a timeout.
They were in the bonus, why not just drive in for the tie? Either they let you have the bucket or they foul you and you get a shot to tie it with FTs. Silly game-planning. Also, we should have taken a time out when we stopped them down two. Instead, we wasted time and chucked up a three.
Tough to win on the road. Combination of Ohio playing great defense and us getting off to a horrible start. If we don't get down 28-8, we may win. We will probably lose road games vs. MSU, Minnesota, and Indiana too. A long season. Hate losing to Ohio again, but we are better than them at home and a neutral site IMO.
Craft has owned Burke. Period. Burke can't go off offensively against that kind of quality D. That's the difference in the game. That and the whole damn team being asleep the first half.
Including BTT last year. Yeah, that's owned.
If by owned, you mean he was held 3 points and 3 assists under his average in a game with poor shooting keeping the assists down and a slow down game keeping the possessions down, then ok. Craft can be a great defender and he can try to do too much. Burke got a great look on the in and out 3, and he had a breakaway blocked and he missed a couple of shots he usually makes that weren't defended by Craft. Overall they both had pretty mediocre games.
on. Fuck Ohio.
Wow. Please never own a gun.
but the Michigan fan in me says... fucking spot on. Honestly after what we've been through the past decade... ugh. Come February 5th every Michigan fan ought to be giving hell to anyone wearing red within 2 miles of Crisler
I'm inclined to tell myself to never stoop to their level, but this is a rivalry, so I'm in agreement. We are supposed to treat each other like shit. I went to the game today and got shit everywhere I went, as I expected. I hope anyone with the nerve to wear scarlet in our arena next month is given the exact same treatment.
I saw four things today.
1) a very young team playing their first true tough road test was clearly overwhelmed (not much a coach can do until you find out, well he found out)
2) I love Beilein, but he has some ownership on this too. That team was not prepared. He made some very good adjustments, but some of his defensive schemes were very questionable.
3) this has been going on all year, but Burke is consistently late rotating on his defensive assignments and it is hurting this team. Stauskas is not helping on D either, but it is not due to lack of effort he's still learning. The Burke thing really bugs me though because it is purely an effort thing.
4) the personality of this team seems to think their efficiency on offense will overcome every other team so they don't worry too much if they give up a score. In a game like this, you have to be pissed when you give up a layup or open jumper. I didn't see that today. I can't believe both LeVert and Hardway didn't even run down OSU after a turnover.
Pretty much every one on the team played poorly and we still almost won. Hopefully they all learn from this experience and play better at Minny.
My only complaint was that I thought JB should have replaced Stauskus with McGary for most of the 2nd half. Nick was out of control on offense and a liability on D.
If we use the game last January in Columbus as a random point of comparison, we should remember that we put together only a slightly worse statistical performance in that game (not just the score, but effective FG%, 3-point %, etc...) and lost the game by 13 instead of just 3 as we did today.
It isn't a whole lot to go on necessarily, but what it tells me is that, in that space of nearly a year, and despite appearances today, you still have a team that is ridiculously talented and considerably better in other areas (things like blocks, steals and rebounding are generally up, though perhaps not necessarily today). There is vast improvement overall, in other words.
The Big Ten schedule is going to be tough, and this is a ridiculously front-loaded conference, right down to having, if I recall, seven teams with 12 or more wins right now. Someone above me touched on it, but from here on out, they have five or six teams on the schedule with better defensive efficiency (one of them is Ohio State), so they'll definitely need to adjust their game - but watching the second half today, I don't have any doubt that they can do this and still do well in a tough conference schedule.
Did anyone else notice the announcers kept saying Michigan didn't have depth? We played 8 players (9 if you count Horford's 2 min) and they played 7 (8 if you count Laquinin ross' 3 min). so whats the big deal???
And do not understand it either. Feel like we have multi tool players and depth at most positions. Spike played great today. Would say his penetration and grit helped change the game around except I am not totally comfortable saying spike and penetration in such close proximity to eachother.
The Ohio trolls on the ESPN boards right now are so pathetic it's hilarious.
I blame myself. They've won every game I've seen. I was working today and missed it. QED.
And we didn't catch a single break from the officials, right?
That guy hooks with his elbow
The OSU fan base would sell the souls of their offspring to win championships. The Michigan fan base is a civilized society whereas south Ohio is the place where knuckledraggers and mouth breathers are bred.
If you look at the last 5 games football and basketball in either Columbus or Ann Arbor, all the home teams have won. It just so happens the last three have been played in Columbus. Michigan is now holding serve at home and coming very close in Columbus. This is new and refreshing as we have gotten beaten soundly in Columbus both football and basketball a number of times over the last ten years. Beilein is transforming a program and that takes time. He is bringing in big time talent and for the first time in many years we have the same kind of roster as Ohio.
Burke's three with 20 seconds left was halfway down, we were a fraction of an inch from pulling this out! But you have to like where this program is going! Incredible job by Beilein!
It was tough start. But I give alot credit to guys and coaches for the heart to have a chance under 20 seconds to steal a game on the road against a top 15 team. A lot teams down 20 early would have folded and got smoked on the road. This tells me that team has the heart and will to fight at any point just have to learn to finish on the road in hostile environments over time. This team will be ready to play thursday night at Barn for sure. Since it's the first loss of the year, I think I may quit the predictions thread day before every game unless people want me to still do the threads?
Minnesota is actually a more important game in the sense that if we win we get the tiebraker against them. If I had to choose between winning today and winning Thursday I would pick Thursday since I'd rather get that tiebreaker and have a better shot at a Big Ten championship. I do think this could be a very good learning experience for the team.
It inspired me to unfollow burgeoning wolverine star, so I think I'm better for that.
Terrible start to the game and hats off to OHIO for taking it to us. They earned the win and deserve the spoils. Michigan made me very proud today by fighting back and coming within an inch from winning the damn game. That tells me that this team is never out of a game. There are no moral victories...but this game was a really tough out for us. This is B1G ball where it is extremely hard to win on the road against the upper half of this conference. Michigan will be in similar position @Indiana....@ Msu......@Minny.....@wisky....@ Illinois. I'd they can win the majority of those road games and hold serve at home with maybe only one loss....your looking at at approximately a 13-4 B1G record and a no.1 seed.....probably a B!G title pending on the Indiana results. Let's not fret. We lost to a damn good team that simply plays great ball in their building. This was a lesson to the freshman. Upperclassmen struggled from the floor as did Robinson....Staukus was invincible. Mcgary is a bright spot and if Hoford can get back healthy it will make a huge impact. If we beat Minny on Wed....this loss will not hurt us badly and we will string the rest of the games until the IU showdown. go blue!
We blow them out when they visit A^2! We'll probably lose a few more games on the road. Stay tough at home!