Michigan #10 in the latest coaches poll. First time in the top 10 since the horror.
Also: Wisconsin jumps stanford to #4, Nebraska stays at #14, Illini #15, Sparty # 19, and Penn state breaks in at #25
Michigan #10 in the latest coaches poll. First time in the top 10 since the horror.
Also: Wisconsin jumps stanford to #4, Nebraska stays at #14, Illini #15, Sparty # 19, and Penn state breaks in at #25
Sec Arkansas.....I like what I see here....and they even beat a top 25 team....granted they do have 1 lose already though
Michigan was ranked ahead of Arkansas in the coaches' poll last week.
but come on man.
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think it is as fraudulent as I did last week. I think Michigan is good. Come on, say it with me, I know it has been a while. MICHIGAN IS GOOD! One more time. MICHIGAN IS GOOD!!
I mean, I love this team, but no. This doesn't look like a Top Ten team to me yet. But then I guess they couldn't find more than 9 others who do either.
The key word to me is "yet." I'm waiting till next week to make some serious judgements about this team.
Penn State is good for the B1G and Wisconsin (deserved or not.) The SOS is the Badgers main opponent at this point.
While everyone will say this is "undeserved" etc. etc. almost all college teams are poor in some aspect of the game. That's just how college football is. While we are far from a perfect team who should be ranked above us?
"Should" based on resume? Probably no one behind us.
"Should" as in "if these two teams played 100 times on a neutral field, I'd pick the other team"? That question probably has a different answer.
I thought there was a bug on my computer screen.
Well ... you're a cat. you pawed at the bug, didn't you? I know you did.
I was about to try and flick that bug off my screen too, darn your avatar!!!
That avatar is tremendous. Thanks for the laugh.
Are we as good as most top 10 teams should be? Of course not. But we're 6-0, and not many people are. Most #10 teams will finish the season with 1 or 2 losses. Now look at our schedule, do you see more than 2 losses? I'd say we're right where we should be.
according to voters, michigan is the 9th best undefeated team (out of 12), with only houston, illinois and Ga Tech being worse. Is that really so absurd?
but I'd probably take Georgia Tech over Michigan.
Our opponents have a record of 4-2, 4-2, 3-3, 3-2, 2-3. Theirs have records of 1-4, 1-4, 2-3, 5-1, 3-3 and 2-3. To recap, they've won one game over a team with a winning record, we've only played one with a losing record. We definitely deserve to be above GT.
I think there's a good chance they're the better football team.
Georgia Tech has a very good offense, but we have a much better defense (especially in the red zone).
Think we'll find out a lot this weekend.
GaTech looks very similar to Michigan last year. It is outscoring its opponents because of a very good offense, but its defense is allowing way too many points.
More specifically, GaTech is allowing 24 ppg against relatively week opponents while Michigan is only allowing 13 ppg. In fact, every team GaTech has played has scored more than 20 points on them except Maryland (which scored 16). Even Western Carolina and MTSU each scored three TDs against them. At worst, a UofM v. GaTech game would be a shootout.
This weekend will be telling. If we beat a good MSU team on the road that will be two road victories against solid teams. It will provide more support for our improvement. As of now, one could make the validly make the argument that not only is GT better than us, but so is Arkansas, South Carolina, and Nebraska. Arkansas lost to arguably the top team in the country, while South Carolina only seems to lack a QB and did get screwed by the officials in that last call in the Auburn game. Nebraska really hasn't been that impressive, but I shudder to think of us playing a game against Wisconsin in Madison. There really is no measuring stick, which is why most preseason polls and early season polls are worthless: arguing who had a more difficult when comparing wins over Middle Tennesse versus Minnesota doesn't really mean much. Two back to back road victories over NW and MSU provides more support. We are going to learn more about this team in the coming weeks.
We'd need to defend the option much better to beat GaTech.
Total offense: GT 553, M 457
Scoring offense: GT 46.5, M 38
Total defense: GT 343, M 348
Scoring defense: GT 24.2, M 12.5
They're outscoring us by a little more than a TD per game, but our defense is letting up 12ppg less. And this is coming against significantly weaker competition than we have faced.
My bad, that was unintentional. So we've played a combined 17-17 (.500) and they've played a combined 14-18 (.438). That's a significant bit of difference.
This would be a fun match up. Not only for personal reasons ( the gf went there), but because I think it would be an even match up with big play offenses. Although after the way we played the option last night...
I think we're better than K State, and the K State mascot really scares me.
The polls are really down on the undefeated Zookers. They shouldn't be, their resume to-date is for real.
Well, they beat a MAC team (WMU) at home by 3 points, and then squeaked by Northwestern (now 2-3), also at Champaign, by three points after Persa went out. Prior to that they squeaked by ASU (a decent but not great team) by 3 points, once again at home. There is a bit of a smoke-and-mirrors aspect to the Illini's season to date.
ESPN is also predicting a Fiesta Bowl berth.
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I don't think any other team is more deserving that Michigan to be ranked 10 at this point. Barring the top 7, every team has huge gaps. You have to respect 6-0 fwiw.
I am glad State is ranked again. Will be our first ranked opponent this year, and will make for a great win!
ranked team, ND was ranked when UM faced them.
They were ranked in the teens week 1, but lost to USF. The ND game was a matchup of unranked opponents
should of checked before I opened my mouth..er typed..you know what I mean. Yeah that never works well for me..the no look shot. I was so sure they hadn't fallen out of the rankings.
We certainly have the abiilty to be a top 10 team, but we have not nearly been consistant enough to justify the ranking yet.
Wellll we got a long way to go before we're any type of championship team. We're never gonna be satisfied. This is Michigan.
It's nice that our schedue let's us pan out as the 2010 Michigan State team as we continue building up into the future. Not ony has Brady Hoke and the stuff done everything and more right so far, the stars line up for them to suceed. Looking like a great forecast for the future of Michigan football.
We are not the 2010 Michigan State team. We are not, nor will we ever be, the 20XX-anything Michigan State team. Do not ever compare us to Michigan State.
Rankings don't matter. The goal is to beat ohio and win the B1G. This Is MICHIGAN.
but can we stop the "Ohio" thing? Not only is it barely a step above "O$U" and Meatchicken, but it doesn't make a damn lick of sense.
you dont make sense
If it's good enough for Brady Hoke, it's good enough for me. Brady Hoke poops gold.
I will probably be negged as well, but I agree. There is an Ohio University, and they are a MAC team with a Bobcat as their mascot. I hate the Buckeyes just as much as Hoke or any of you do, but they have an actual name. It's Ohio State. Calling them "Ohio" makes us sound petty, arrogant, & stupid.
wear red either except for underpants which are good for skidmarks.
I'm with you. I bothers me because it ignores/overwrites the existence of Ohio U in Athens.
I am sure I need not remind people the special love we feel for their mascot.
Brady Hoke is an ex-MAC coach. Perhaps this lets him get a shot in at two schools at once.
With you 1,000% even if it means going to Bolivian. I have connects to sneak back, looking at you, profit.
Seriously though, it's played out, IMO. Although it is better than "O$U" or Any other of the hackneyed terms.
we refer to tsio with their proper name? Because I'll never be on that program. I'm with Hoke on this one. I will never refer to tsio as anything other than tsio and I won't even give them the satisfaction of capitalizing it either. I don't like them and I don't repsect them. Maybe I did once when Woody was there but now that their officially SEC style cheaters, no way.
One of the special charms of college football that doesn't exist anywhere else, even in college basketball (they have them obviously, but most don't pay attention due to the tournament) are the top 25 lists. Fans love when their team gets in them, and love to debate them. I love them myself, and even though I don't think we are the 10th best team in the country, am happy to see us listed there.
I feel like this M team is kind of like those pre-Dantonio Aggie teams that creep up to the top 10-15 with a squeeker win over ND and solid wins over a few crappy teams. then they play M and the rest of the B10 and lose 3/5. I hope i'm wrong.
One thing that a lot of people have forgotten in the wreckage of the last three seasons is that our talent level is still immensely higher than any other Big Ten team except for OSU, Penn State and maybe Nebraska and Wisconsin. We have much better players than those MSU teams of yesteryear that you're referencing. Our guys played nowhere near their potential the past few years, so it's easy to forget that. We're still scratching the surface of what we're capable of as a team, and I think we'll only get better as the year progresses.
Saturday will determine whether Michigan is overrated.
they said the same thing last week.. 'Dan Persa will test that Michigan D'. Just saying..
He did test the D, and the D responded (eventually).
I think NW will do some damage to the rest of the division and the league. They lost to Army and to Illinois when Persa was out. If he can stay in, they will beat some teams (I'm looking at you NE and MSU).
For me, MSU is the final data point before the bye week to say if we are back or just improving. If we win, we are for real and are in the hunt for the division championship. We may not win it, but we will have a shot at it. That is a full turnaround from the last three years.
If Denard plays like he did in the second half, and with our staff, I honestly think that we can beat any team in college football. Northwestern is a good team, and we beat them soundly in their house after a shaky start. We're getting better every week. We haven't put all the pieces together yet this year, but if/when we do, it's going to be beautiful. Hopefully it happens next weekend in East Lansing.
i'm pretty sure alabama/lsu/oklahoma wouldn't have much problem with our offense even on our best day
"Any team in college football"? I definitely think we should be currently ranked Top 12 b/c, as has been pointed out, we deserve it based on resume, but have you seen Alabama/Stanford/Oklahoma/LSU? I think Alabama would literally beat Northwestern 50-7, if not by more. They have seven players on their D (all experienced) who are currently projected to be first or second round NFL picks. They have signed 73 players in the last four years who are 4 or 5 stars. I think Saban is a low-life, but the guy can recruit and coach.
You can find the other frightening stats here (e.g., one coach compared them to an NFC South team). http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1191036/1/ind...
Let's enjoy our (hopeful? likely?) march to 10 wins this season, but not get carried away - while Michigan definitely should be ranked #10 right now, there's a much larger gap btw the #1-5 teams and us, than there is btw us and the #25 team.
I'm glad Alabama has all those first or second round NFL picks. They will be gone when we play them next year.
I think Ga. Tech is underrated, Va. Tech is good (because Clemson is for real), and I think Arkansas is likely better than us, and it doesn't make sense to me that we should have a 10 next to our name right now. That said, I think a case can be made for us over every other team ranked below us.
A lot of the teams in the top 25 have glaring holes that they overcome. As a result, I'm pretty sure we're #10 because of coaching. Do we have holes? Yes, our play in the first half yesterday is a good indicator. However, our second half showed that our coaches know how to adjust and turn what we have into a win.
Not only that, but we have yet to give up a TD of 30 yards, and the longest play against our defense is 39 - yesterday. Our turnover margin is excellent, our scoring offense is at 38 per game.
It looks weird - and it feels WRONG - but given the state of other teams right now, it's not as far off as we might think.
Good because they lost to the only real team they have played. Miami is not good and could just as easily won against VaTech yesterday as lost. VaTech will have a great record this year yet they play nobody and will be over ranked come the end of the year. They will be favored in every game they have left unless they reach the ACC championship game.
Georgia Tech has played nobody and still has had a close couple of games.
Virginia Tech isn't good. Logan Thomas throws interceptions like it's his job and they rely heavily on their running game which isn't spectacular. They have a solid defense but it isn't great. They've had close games with some not-so-good teams in Miami, East Carolina, and Marshall and got solidly beaten at home against the only good team they've played in Clemson. I hate how people think Virginia Tech is a good team, they almost always lose to the better teams they play out of their conference (Boise State, Stanford, Alabama - beat an up-and-down Nebraska team and a 7-5 Tennessee team though).
Sorry for the rant, I'm a VT student and tired of people thinking Frank Beamer is a top 3 coach in the NCAA. VT isn't gooooooooooooooooooooooood.
I will agree with most of you, we do not look like a power house top ten team. We are not alone. It's not just the BIG 10 that is down this year. With the exception of 5-8 teams, everyone looks beat-able.
There can't be more than one unbeatable team--if there were more than one, what would happen when they played each other?
Some of you are setting a ridiculously high standard for what it means to be top-ten.
If this was November or December yes, however it's October and we have half a season left. For the current time and place being unbeaten is a solid reason for a top ten ranking. That being said we could probably coin flip for most of the spots and have as good a shot at getting it right (see FSU, Texas)
I've run out!
to get past the Northwestern Wes Welkers this week and I think the ND, WMU, and SDSU wins should look good by the end of the year. Next week should tell us a lot about the team - if they can come home with a win at Sparty it should show us where this team is headed for the rest of the season.
I don't know if we're Top 10 yet, but the signs are incredibly encouraging. Last year, if Denard throws 3 picks in the first half on the road, we lose that game. That we came out in the 2nd half and pulled it together to finish the 'Cats off with margin to spare is just so exciting. I'm tempering my irrational optimism until the conclusion of next week's contest in East Lansing, though.
On the flip side.. why is Michigan doing so poorly on fan rankings?
22?? we are definitely better than that!
OSU and MSU fans are angry that we're doing better than them and Lou Holtz is mad because ND isn't going to a BCS game this year.
I think espn keeps forgetting to reopen the poll because it currently has:
Texas A&M at #9
Florida St at #12
South Florida at #18
I'm assuming that it includes all of the votes from all season, which makes them very slow at reacting to changes. Last week was the first week we were even in the "others receiving votes" category, coming in at 26.
Everyone needs to stop complaining about how high they're ranked. First of all, that's a silly thing to complain about. Secondly, there aren't any teams that deserve to be higher. The problem is there aren't a lot of middle class teams this year to fill the 10-20 spots. Enter Michigan.
Even without OSU, the B10 has six teams ranked in the top 25. Also, the SEC remains very top heavy, with a sharp drop-off after Bama, LSU and Arkansas.
It's interesting that the voters have suddenly decided that the formerly muddled Big 10 has two distinct halves- the 6 teams in the poll and then the other 6 not even recieving votes.
will determine the TRUE character of this team. The ranking will come later...much to early to be concerned about this trival matter.
Let's allow this month to play out before being to overly concerned about being ranked...
Sorry, but once again, we're not as good as our ranking suggests.
People have the argument "well, who do you put over us?"
I don't look at it like that. I look at it from a few things...
#1 How is a top 10 teams supposed to look/play?
IMO a top 10 team looks like Oklahoma St. or Stanford...a top 5 team looks like Alabama, LSU, Wisconsin...To me we're playing at a #15-#17 level.
#2 What is the final record that spot will have?
IMO, the #10 team in the country will have 2 MAYBE 3 losses. I can't say for sure that we meet that quite yet. A win over MSU? Yes. But not yet. We have to beat someone noteworthy for me to feel like we're elite or close to elite. So far, ND at home in a magical comeback is our best win. Beat MSU and you've got something. Beat MSU and we should clearly get to 10-0 IMO.
#3 Consistencies and Efficiency
Last night we were neither. In the first half we played like the #30 ranked team, in the second half we played like the #3 ranked team (oddly enough, average that out and you get 16.5...which falls in that #15-#17 range I said in point #1). Also efficiency...3 picks in 1 half is unacceptable, we're still beating ourself too much. If you punt on those 3 drives rather than throw INTs...you likely take points off the board for N'Western. I'm not saying we have to score every drive. But the turnovers cannot be as excessive.
In short, I think we're around the #15 team this week, beat MSU and #10 is warranted. Beat Purdue and Iowa, #7. Beat Illinois, #5. Beat Nebraska, #3. Beat OSU, #1-2.
So in the end, you get the same result. But I just think there is a ways to go before we can say we're a top 10 team. Beat someone real first and then let's talk.
So you don't think we look like a Top Ten team, but don't want to name teams that are better, do you only have 6 teams in your Top Ten or something?
I don't know why, but he's confusing "top ten" with "MNC contender/favorite". The two are nothing alike.
Not only that, but somehow beating an unranked Iowa and OSU should propel us above LSU/Alabama, Oklahoma, Stanford and Wisconsin.
That's the thinking/mindset that I don't agree with...
I don't think "what teams should be ranked higher"....I think, "is this team playing like a top 10 team."
Question, yes or no. Was Texas the eleventh best team in the country up until last week?
That is my point, I don't care if I can't named 11 teams better than Texas going into that game with OU. The point is, they are not even a top 20 team this year. Period. And it showed.
They hadn't beaten anyone of substance and hadn't faced any legit comp until they ran up against the Sooners and got SMACKED.
Michigan's first legit comp is MSU. I'm not saying they're going to lose, I think we'll win a close one. But we don't know if Michigan is a top 10 calibur team until they play someone noteworthy.
All of the LEGIT top teams have beaten someone. Not just ND and Northwestern. But Florida, Oregon, Georgia, Nebraska, etc. The only team that hasn't is Stanford. (However I'd still make the case for them because of last season, returning players, and what they've done this year to the comp in terms of consistency and execution that we've shown in spurts, but not 4 qtrs outside of Minny).
it doesn't mean very good or excellent... it just means exactly that. by the way, stanford, is top 5.
Just because you think top 10 means excellent team, doesn't make it so. an excellent team is an excellent team. the #10 rank team means just that, whether it's playing worse than high-schoolers or better than NFL teams.
In regards to #2, the polls have something of a predictive nature to them. By ranking us 10th, that shows that many people think that we will finish with 2-ish losses. If you don't think that is the case, then if you were a voter you could've slotted us lower, as I'm sure some voters did. It is not a guarantee that we will finish with 2-ish losses, that is just what the general consensus among the voters is.
Also, as maquih mentioned, 10th has no implication for quality of play, it simply means that they believe we are the 10th best team in the country, however good or bad that is varies from year to year.
And in sports, and particularly college football, that's not the case. Some years a number ten team might have the talent level of a team that would finish much lower if there were more great teams. Other years the number ten team could be really good if there are a lot of great teams. This year you have LSU & Bama, then Stanford and Wisconsin and Oklahoma, then pretty much everybody else. There aren't ten great teams. So your "look" test has to be on a sliding scale.
Some of you guys make me sick. You fucking pussies.
Yeah, I'm sick of people saying, "wait until next game". If you wait until we beat State to get on the bandwagon, what kind of fan are you? We just came through the gut check moment. Down ten on the road, our defense looking like last year's, and with Denard off his game, throwing three interceptions, we just came out and made a huge 28-0 statement that this is not 2010, that this team has flaws and problems, but our coaches and players can find ways to overcome them. If you are waiting until after next week to decide if this team is good, until after we win what will be quite possibly our toughest game of the season, then you really are completely unwilling to get invested in this team until it has already paid out. That's no fun. Heck, there are people still projecting 8-4 when we're 6-0 and still have Purdue to play.
What a bunch of cowards.
Nobody's saying wait until next week to be excited and supportive. They're saying wait until next week to determine whether a high ranking is justified. Given the past three seasons, the sentiment is a reasonable one. So chill on the Adderall, dude.
get over the past three seasons, it's a blink of the eye in the glorious history of michigan football. i'm sick of seeing our own fans selling this team short, michigan fans should be expecting a conference championship every year, and we are right on track to get it this year. we should be ranked higher than top 10 right now and certainly will be higher by season's end, the only team with a shot of beating us is wiscy, and i'm betting we'll beat them
We're capable of being a better team, but the problem is there are few really great teams this year.
I'm thinking we can live up to the hype with continuous improvement and a little luck.
The Sparty message boards are on melt down alert. First it was WMU that would beat us, then ND, then SDSU, then Northwestern and they're pissed off that we're undefeated.
Of EL will be ablaze if we beat them. Oh, plz!
I love this debate every week the rankings come out. Looking forward to having it again next week.
Kind of weird that Wisky jumps Stanford when Stanford wins big and Wisky doesn't even play.
Wisconsin's opponents went 4-1; Stanford's went 2-2 against weak opposition (close wins over FIU and Washington St., one of the losses was to Oregon St.).
It's still hard to gauge how good Michigan is. The competition up till now just hasn't been great. NW is 2-3 and last night's game was essentially at a neutral site. The MSU game, more than the others, will provide the most solid measuring-stick.
Were saying in 1997 "we didn't look really dominant vs. Washington State...they should vote for Nebraska instead". All fanbases are crazy, but are there any mote self-loathing than Michigan's?
I live with a die hard LSU fan, born in Louisiana and raised like it... He literally thinks they will lose every game they play
Steelers fans are pure nonsense. They think Rothlesberger sucks just like they hated Bradshaw. If this sounds insane to you then you havent been around Steelers fans. They can be up 21 in the Superbowl with 60 seconds to play and they will be even more self-loathing because they dread epic fail.
Haha right on superstringer. Steelers fans are the worst. I live in western pa and last week all I heard was how awful Big Ben is, and now after throwing 5 tds, they think hes Tom Brady. They are the absoulte worst fanbase of any sport.
Am I missing something here? What has Michigan State done that has everyone so impressed that they are our proving ground? They lost handily to the the only common opponent and havent played anyone else. If you want to count ohio led by Bauserman as a tough game ok but they still only won that barn burner 10-7. I feel we are ranked about right for now. If you are gonna be a skeptic thats fine but I dont know how MSU game will prove or disprove anything. I get its a rivalry game and thats great but beating them doesn't suddenly justify anything. We are top 10 enjoy it. We will still be top ten when we beat MSU....Hail
i was under the impression they had one of the top ranked D's out there, is that wrong?
That's why I have them as the barometer of our season. Win and I don't see many reasons why we don't the season as either conference champ or runner up with a 10-2 or 11-1 record.
Till then, I'm not sold.
defense too. I'm liking the change.
A win vs msu will be huge, i cant take a loss followed by a bye week. Hope they win and stay put in upcoming BCS polls debuting next Sunday
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