Right, so I was bouncing around the interwebz a little while ago basking in the fact that Duke lost and that we are #1 for now, and then discovered this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke%E2%80%93Michigan_basketball_rivalry
Apparently the "rivalry" between Michigan and Duke is big enough to warrant a Wiki page. I was utterly unaware of this. I mean... what?
Discuss.
Are you under the age of 25?
I'm aware
I'm aware of a "rivalry type thing" between us and Duke, I was mostly amused that it was considered big enough to have its own Wiki entry.
yeah
Wiki is known for being especially selective with their content.
Board should be one word. Not
Board should be one word. Not split into two paragraphs.
-dbag
"I think Hoke has changed the tide on the rivalry. Hell people in Ohio are starting to believe him. Never in a million years I would have thought that. Selling Michigan jerseys is a good start."
You must be bored.
You must be bored.
not just "douchey" MGoBlog user, but now TRUSTED MGoBlog user
Rivalry, no... bad blood, yes
Rivalry, no... bad blood, yes
Exactly. Well said
Exactly. Well said
Touchdown Michigan!
It's because Grant Hill's a
It's because Grant Hill's a BITCH.
And because Christian
And because Christian Laettner is an overrated PUSSY. And a bitch
"I think Hoke has changed the tide on the rivalry. Hell people in Ohio are starting to believe him. Never in a million years I would have thought that. Selling Michigan jerseys is a good start."
In the early 1990s, UM was on
In the early 1990s, UM was on the verge of looking like national power, Duke was the establish. We just could not beat them consistently. It drove me crazy. Then everything fell apart when an explorer fed.
I kind of agree, although
I kind of agree, although Duke actually never won a national title before 1991 (so we won one before they did). For a long time they were considered an elite team that couldn't get over the hump, sort of like Oregon in football now. They had their breakthrough the year before the Fab Five arrived, when they pulled a huge upset and beat an undefeated UNLV team in the Final Four.
Delete this post...young
Delete this post...young people learn about your university's sports history before posting on your university's biggest fan blog!
"Everybody thinks of changing humanity, but nobody thinks of changing himself." - Leo Tolstoy
This is just one man's
This is just one man's opinion but the message board of the most prominent Michigan sports blog on the internet, frequented by the university's most ardent fans, seems like a pretty good place for a youngun to come to learn some things about the history of Michigan athletics.
exactly. This is our
exactly. This is our opportunity to teach. The OP might have worded his/her post slightly differently, more asking for knowledge, but hey, this post as written doesn't bother me.
I bet he will now be educated.
Now we can teach him about Gary Grant and the smoothest of shooters, Mr. Rice.
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FTW
You have said this well.
The OP clearly is not aware of a decade called "the 90's"
or the Fab 5
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kids these days
21-8 Duke leads, not a very
21-8 Duke leads, not a very good rivalry.
Only...
2.9% different than the State's winning percentage in the Michigan-Michigan State football series.
M-Duke: .276 (8-21)
MSU-M: .305 (32-68-5)
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-Carol Hutchins
Can't believe MSU won that
Can't believe MSU won that many..
Touchdown Michigan!
It is hard to believe, but
It is hard to believe, but MSU won a bunch of games in the 50s and 60s. They were even relevant nationally 50-60 years ago.
It's a
Good thing the space program was still in its infancy stages then or MSU's recruiting would be unstoppable by now!
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To add some insight
MSU was crazy good during that span because they recruited the south heavily. Schools that now comprise the SEC were segregated, and legends like "Bear Bryant" and other racist, pro-slave coaches didn't allow blacks to play. Once schools desegregated, MSU lost that recruiting base and the rest is history. They were good because the south was, well, the south. To know this history makes the attitude if today's SEC fans even more intolerable.
Exactly... 50 years ago they
Exactly... 50 years ago they must have recruited nationally.... Mork is recruiting galactically to awaken the echoes.
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Wow, I feel so old now.
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I've always filed this one
I've always filed this one under the "Michigan-Illinois rivalry" category, where one school's fans are intense about it and the other school's fans are utterly unaware of the existence of the rivalry.
Hail to the college whose colors we wear,
Hurrah for the Yellow and Blue!
Yeah, I'm sure Duke has about
Yeah, I'm sure Duke has about 50 rivalries, 40 of which they don't even know exist.
This is true.
In this
This is true.
In this aspect Duke bball is like M football... there are lots of schools that consider Duke to be their rival, yet Duke would not say the same.
Duke does not consider Michigan a rival.
Duke's rival is UNC. I really don't consider any other school to be Duke's rival, including Maryland, and a lot of other Duke people would agree with this.
CJK5H
Cosigned.
Cosigned.
It's really like the Michigan - ND football series, if Michigan hadn't falled off the Earth for 12 years after the Fab 5.
Disagree . . . Michigan-ND
Disagree . . . Michigan-ND football has a lot more history and bad blood than Michigan-Duke basketball ever did. ND fans regularly say things like "USC is our rival, Navy is our friend and Michigan is our enemy."
"if Michigan hadn't fallen
"if Michigan hadn't fallen off the Earth for 12 years after the Fab 5."
Which is to say, not at all really. Could have been in some parallel universe.
I think we wish our program
I think we wish our program was at a point that Duke could be our rival. Kind of like Minnesota being our "rival" in football. Duke is the benchmark. We were good enough once to get on their radar, and then all of that got wiped away.
You're right. But what's
You're right. But what's crazy is that Duke has only won 4 national championships. When you think about their dominance, that number seems low, right? Looks like UNC and Indiana have 5.
Touchdown Michigan!
It doesn't seem low to me.
It doesn't seem low to me. Keep in mind that in basketball, there are no shared titles, since there's always (for 60+ years anyway) been a tournament. UCLA has won 11 titles, Kentucky eight, Indiana and UNC five . . . there's only so many titles to go around. Also note that all four of Duke's titles have come since 1991.
its not a rivalry until both
its not a rivalry until both sides start beating each other on a regular basis. right now, duke clearly has the upper hand. so i don't consider it much of a rivalry. for now.......
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Coming from a friend that
Coming from a friend that went to grad school at Duke (I don't think it was that dude that posted a thread...),
No. It's not a rivalry. This should be obvious, but Duke doesn't consider us in their stratosphere and honestly, rightfully so.
CoE Class of 2007
Haha
It kind of does sound like that guy from the other post though.
It rose to the level of a
It rose to the level of a rivalry-like substance back in the 90's, but after that... Yeah, not so much.
Tractor
Traylor thru the lane, for the dunk, for the win!
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1955&dat=19961209&id=dhVVAAAAIBAJ&...
Tried to find a vid, but best I could find was this. Imagine being down 1, with seconds remaining, and Traylor beasting his way thru the lane.
THIS game was awesome!
THIS game was awesome! Michigan-Duke hasn't been a rivalry in close to 20 years but at one time it was intense. I remember hating Cherokee Parks as much as Lawrence Funderburk and Shawn Respert as a kid. It's still not a real rivalry since we don't play them annually anymore but, make no mistake, if we see them in the tournament all of the bad blood will be revisited especially the comment from Jalen calling Duke's players "Uncle Toms"
And when we play as a team, when the old season is over, you and I know, it's gonna be Michigan again, Michigan
Concurred
Cherokee was def the latter day Laettner, also, we cannot forget Mich/Duke in 08', when the Novak/Douglass era was put on the map. Would embbed, but I'm too drunk to learn new things. Keep in mind, walkons (Lee/Merrit, love em both) played vital minutes during this season, we've come a long way!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMfH3JD2VEw
In The Middle Of The 90s...
There were some good ones between Michigan and Duke in the 1990s, and this was one of them - I think Bullock came out with 14 points in that game too, and Duke shot only about 35% or something like that from the floor.
1995 was a good game too - we were more or less neck-and-neck the whole game statistically, and I think the 2nd half score was identical, so it was the four points Duke didn't get early on that decided the game in the end in our favor. Maceo Baston and Maurice Taylor both scored over 20 points, as I recall.
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Michigan wants to be Duke's
Michigan wants to be Duke's rival!
Abort, Retry, Fail?
Used to be legit rivalry
Hasn't been for years. Would love to restart if we keep playing well
Tremendous!
It done restarted. Ask Jalen.
It done restarted. Ask Jalen.
All in for some manball.
Don't you hate pants?
Don't mean to take my frustration for both board posts out on you, but YES I've always loathed Duke and consider them a rival, and YES i do badly want to be ranked #1. Maybe you guys are way younger than me, but obvious things should be obvious.
those who lived through the
those who lived through the early '90s feel the rivalry. The only basketball team I hate more than Duke is MSU. That even includes Ohio.
I do accept that our hatred towards them is mostly one way. I accept that it is somewhat of a UM vs. MSU football rivarly. Hopefully, with a changing of our program, the rivalry will become more two-sided and grow.
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In '97, beat them for the 3rd
In '97, beat them for the 3rd year in a row, and then later that day Woodson won the Heisman. Ah, the memories...
Back in the day...
Hard to say that 20 years ago and the Fab Five is already "back in the day" but nevertheless it is true. 20 years ago this was developing into a big national rivalry. Then the Fab Five scandal hit and the rivalry as it were disentegrated. That said in the last couple of years that rivalry has been reignited but at this point it's not really a rivalry but as someone else pointed out more like bad blood.
I do remember hating on Laetner, Hurley and Parks. I had a hard time at points even liking the Dream Team because of Laetner but Jordan helped ease that. At any rate the only Duke player I ever liked and respected back then was Grant Hill. Today that hatred of all things Duke has certainly evaporated aside from those early 90's players, still can't stand them. But today's Duke teams do not hold that same level of disdain, perhaps because the smugness has been knocked out of them by losing som often early in the tournament despite high seeding.
All-time Great T-Shirt
Reminds me of walking to a football game in the early 90's. Guy walking toward me had a shirt that said "DUKE SUCKS." As he passed and walked away, on his back it said "AND LAETNER SWALLOWS!"
Even a Blind Pig finds a Full Moon occasionally.....
Are you under the age of 25? That might explain it.