Detroit News article stated here.
Detroit News article stated here.
Glad Hoke is because Brandon sure didn't. Unless he meant it to be united against him.
"What didn't Brandon unite exactly?"
Faith that he actually knows what he's doing as AD.
Would not public opinion on the coach/AD have a bearing on uniting the family? It certainly did with Hoke's predecessor.
There have been uniters in history that were quite unpopular in the larger picture. The opposite has also been true. Opinions of Brandon's qualifications as the Athletic Director don't really factor into anything he has or hasn't done to unite the Michigan family.
It's going to be hard for Brandon to convince everyone that he made the right move before Hoke has coached any games.
I don't think Hoke's results have anything to do with it.
A home-run hire would have been a successful Hoke being hired in December. Even if Hoke's successful, it's more akin to Brandon 'pulling a Homer' (Simpsons reference) instead of Brandon hitting a homer.
Hoke's results have everything to do with it. Football is the engine that drives the athletic department. If the guy Brandon hired works out, then Brandon's done his job. The only other really big thing he has on his plate is the Crisler renovation. Besides, if Hoke is successful, he'll most likely be around longer than Brandon will, anyway.
Hoke's results have everything to do with Hoke and the product he and his staff are able to put on the field.
What I'm talking about with Brandon is confidence in his decision-making. Nothing Hoke puts on the field will affect that. We can win 5 straight national titles, erect a state of Brady Hoke outside the Big House, and I still won't have full confidence in Dave Brandon. And there's not a lot Brandon can do to change that. That's what it comes down.
Hoke's results reflect how Hoke will be judged. Brandon's decisions reflect how Brandon will be judged. In some ways those are linked, in this case not at all.
Assume that the football coaching position is settled for the near future. What big future athletic decisions are you worried about? The Crisler renovation?
Don't care to be honest. You seem to be making a bigger deal out of what I'm saying then what actually matters to me.
Help me out here. If you don't even care about the future decisions he has to make, why will you lack confidence in his ability to make them? And what is he going to be judged on, if not football?
"why will you lack confidence in his ability to make them?"
Did you see how our coaching search went down? I've had no problem with most of what he's done, but as you said the football program drives the athletic department. And hiring a new head coach is a huge decision to make, IMO one of the most important an AD can face in their job. To bungle it as badly as I felt he did is hard to come back from.
Am I concerned about things like the Crisler renovation? Not really. It's not as big a department-affecting change and frankly I'm not sure how Brandon could possibly screw it up (he isn't stupid).
His biggest decision in his tenure was highly flawed though, so excuse me if I'm not comfortable with his ability to make another crucial decision when the time comes (whenever that might be).
"To bungle it as badly as I felt he did"
C'mon man. You saw what I said, you know it's my opinion.
Revisit Brian's opinion on the process and it's about in line with mine.
As good a reason as any to agree to disagree and move on.
It's an even better reason to see how thin we can make the box though. Two short sentences here will create a ridiculously tall, thin text box.
Though maybe this isn't the place for it.
I love when the're a crazy number of responses, how the text boxes get so small. Wait! There's no way that all my thoughts are going to fit in this
I wish my company sprung for a wide screen monitor so I could read these!
It's going to be hard for Brandon to convince everyone that he made the right move.
For proof see past rumblings on RR, Lloyd, etc
Brandon needs to take a lower profile. He is not running for office (or is he?). He also needs to realize that just because he says something does not make it true.
Bill Martin was an excellent AD. He inherited an Athletic Department that was a mess financially (and in a number of other ways) and returned it to one of the top 5 or 6 in the country. He did that while getting approval and arranging financing for a number of long-overdue, major facilities improvements (including the $226 million Big House renovation).
Maybe Dave Brandon will turn out to be as successful an AD as Bill Martin. I sincerely hope he does. I just wish he would do his job without all the self-promotion. The constant newspaper and radio interviews, the blog, the tweets, the stalking the sideline at the Big House -- it's a bit much.
What are you talking about? If you are suggesting that Bill Martin is somehow responsible for RR getting canned, you are delusional. RR was fired because he did not win enough. Period. If RR had won 9 games last year, he still would be the HC at Michigan. No amount of blogging or tweeting or radio interviews by the AD would have changed the product on the field and the product on the field is what got RR fired.
I don't buy it at all. Everyone keeps saying how it was only the record. Nothing else played into the decision. But then DB keeps saying the exact opposite. He keeps saying how the fanbase needs to be united and the new coach knows the words to the fight song. He is hinting that a Michigan man needs to be at the helm.
I do not believe for a moment that Hoke was Plan A. Harbaugh was, and he changed his mind at the last minute leaving DB scrambling.
An absolute TON of people are only going to remember Martin for hiring Rodriguez, not his improvement to the facilities or his ability to balance the budget. Old wounds die hard, and Rodriguez created a bunch of them for the average fan.
I don't get how someone who admits Rich was fired for not winning doesn't hold the guy who hired him accountable for his biggest decision, hiring a guy who didn't win enough in his most important post. (and not just Rich bashing; his percentage of successful coaching hires is bleak, with maybe 1 success and a couple of TBD's).
I credit him with some really nice infrastructure developments (the Stadium's original Suite design was kinda "meh", but the final product is amazing), but making Michigan profitable is more an embarrassment of the previous administration, because it shouldn't be hard. And the way he did it wasn't any act of business genius; nearly double the ticket prices over ten years, and add "seat donations" to triple charge them on top of that. It's easy to make more money when you drastically raise the price of everything.
So many people thinking Brandon was a super human genius, pimp-handing everyone, right up to the point he made a decision they disagreed with. If I had a dollar for every post that was basically "Brandon sees all the stuff we don't, and sees the big picture [like 'I' do], so he'll never fire Rich and all the haters will have to live with it..."...then, when he must have seen something he didn't like..."IDIOT!!!!".
.....that people need to be able to get over, I think. It seems like the larger problem is that nobody is completely sure that he did the right thing, and because Hoke has yet to actually coach a game as the head coach of the University Of Michigan football team. That's a fair thing to say, but again, it doesn't have anything to do with uniting the Michigan family, as has been suggested here.
We all thought Rich was the greatest hire ever, and well...
We won't know for years, what decisions are right and wrong. Amaker seemed like a good hire at the time too for many...Beilein could be...or it could still go wrong. How much I like a decision doesn't matter to me anymore...long term results do.
1. How did you find yourself in Bolivian?
I was just checking because you've made some great comments today.
I haven't been on here much recently, and hadn't noticed your drop. I hate the expiring points thing, honestly. I think it's pretty bunk that I can go away for a week, not post a thing or get a single neg vote, and yet come back to having lost 500-800 points. Bunk I say.
What If I had to go away for a month or two? I'd have to start over? I realize points literally mean nothing, but that's just plain annoying.
I've been running around here under the same handle since the haloscan days. I stopped posting for a period of time. I'm now a rookie.
the expiring points are a bit of a farce. I didn't have a ton to begin with but having not been able to post while the site was going through its thing has left me with a very tiny amount indeed....I admit it...I have point envy!
I'm with you guys... I haven't been on this site as much lately for a combination of reasons (work getting out of hand, this whole new coaching thing, new website format... I'm still trying to get adapted to all this)
upped your points by 5. Hope that helps. I hear you about wintering. Wife and I just gave birth to our first child which has cut into my mgoblogging terribly. I am sure when I return for spring game bonanza I will be in the same boat.
Profit - way off topic, but did you go to MLaw? If so, got time for an MLaw student with a few questions related to practicing bankruptcy law?
I didn't attend Michigan Law (undergrad only) but I've practiced corporate bankruptcy law (all aspects) for 10 years at a pretty high level and am happy to answer whatever questions you have. Send Brian an email with your email and ask him to forward it to me. He's done it in the past and hopefully he won't mind doing so again.
.....this was the connector flight to Akron.
Listening to Michael Taylor and his stories of Corwin Brown, Tyrone Wheatley, etc. not getting calls back from the new staff regarding coaching positions probably means there will be some ex players that won't be happy with the new staff.
Taylor has been on a rant about this for weeks, now. His issue is pretty much an argument that we should have more African-American coaches, and that guys like Corwin and Tyrone would have satisfied that need. He is an asshat who is stirring controversy where none exists, especially when (1) Michigan has 2 African-American coaches out of its 10 coaches, as well as an African American hear of recruiting, and an African American strength staffer, and (2) Michigan's percentage of minority coaches is right in line with other universities.
As to Corwin and Tyrone:
Corwin - not only is he generally regarded as an average DB coach, but he negatively recruited against M by saying that had he gotten into ND, he would have gone there over us.
Tyrone - loved him as a RB. He has been coaching all of 2 seasons. At EMU. With limited success. And we have a RB coach. Who is also black. Not sure why this is even an issue.
As to Hoke not returning calls, he was a tab busy in January, you know with trying to cram an entire recruiting period into 20 days and all.
Taylor needs to go away.
Maybe there should be something akin the NFL's "Rooney Rule" instituted in college football? I'm not sure I have an opinion either way, but maybe it would negate arguments like Taylor's.
I think the Rooney Rule has done great things for the NFL. At the same time it must also feel insulting to the candidates that are never really considered.
For example, this year the Cowboys hired Jason Garrett to be the head coach. Even before he was hired everyone knew that he was getting the job, and sources were leaking this information before it became official. The only reason why they couldn't announce his hiring earlier is that they had not interviews an African American candidate. It must be insulting to know that you were interviewed just to satisfy the rule and never really had a shot at the job.
That is racism, pure and simple. I'm soooo tempted to go on a rant right now, but I won't because there's no way to not be political in the process... grrrrr
Is at Syracuse now. But yes, his resume isn't really built yet. But I'd love to consider him when Fred is ready to retire in the not so distant future. Great guy.
Does he want Hoke to fire Jackson in favor of Wheatley? Wheatley has zero experience playing or coaching any other position.
Mordecai Doesn't Work Mondays
I think I am going to save all the Hoke saved the world talk until I see some results next season. He has my full support but I am not going to give him a tug until we get that 9th or 10th win next year.
I won't judge Hoke until a few years from now. It's hard to say RR wouldn't had 9 or 10 wins next year. This to me, is Michigan's version of ND. I pray that this doesn't turn into that, but I personally won't judge this hire until a few years from now.
I just wish Dave Brandon would stop talking
His new chief marketing officer told him to.
All I could gather from "the process" and the attendant trumpeting of the arrival of BH was, the fractured fanbase = annoyed/annoying former players and head coaches.
Those who, while proclaiming no one is above "The team," preferred to put themselves above "The team."
During the process, DB went out of his way to make sure the unwashed masses knew our places. If we weren't former head coaches or players, our opinion was best left unstated. Keep paying dollah dollah bills for a 2012 home slate of tomato cans, but shut up while doing so.
Was there disappointment with the results of the 2010 season? Sure. Was there optimism that 18 year-olds who'd been torched crispy on D would become better in 2011? I thought so. Was there more optimism that in our QB, BT OPOTY, we finally would have a guy starting that position who'd started most of the games the year before? Again, I thought so.
Who knows the kinds of BS that goes on, day-to-day, in Schembechler? I don't, and neither does anyone else, really. Except those on the inside. But there's plenty of smoke to indicate that there were quite a few people who were "family members" and wouldn't stop crying until "cousin Brady" got a chance...
Family united, indeed. Spin, DB. Spin. Sell that pizza, I mean, family unity!
"Was there optimism that 18 year-olds who'd been torched crispy on D would become better in 2011? I thought so."
You may have thought so. A few alums I knew may have thought so too. But the vast majority of our fanbase, the Big Ten, and the country didn't.
"But there's plenty of smoke to indicate that there were quite a few people who were "family members" and wouldn't stop crying until "cousin Brady" got a chance..."
I highly doubt that is the case. Former players like Brady because he appears to be a good coach and motivator, as well as a good recruiter. There is a difference between saying, we like this guy, and pulling a Michael Taylor or Ron English type of deal.
I'm really beginning to dislike DB. The entire bit about Beilein dripped with irony, I can't figure out if Brandon is being intentionally obtuse about this fact, or whether it escapes him.
Let it go...
I thought "Dudeness" would've already posted his opinion by now...
Maybe we should do an over/under on how long will it take before he posts
So many factors and/or factions became public during LC's last few years and his immediate successor's tenure.
There were too many that believed that RR should have won immediately and, still to date, fail to realize he didn't have a remodeling job on his hands; he had a fricking full scale renovation project. To exacerbate the problem, that faction thought he should have stuck with LC's philosophy instead of implementing his immediately. I thought the time was perfect for a wholesale change inasmuch as we had what amounted to a jv offense anyway.
But Brandon, judging by his decisions, i.e. firing and then hiring someone that will probably get us back to .750 and out of the NC hunt by late Sep early Oct., will be satisfied whereas those that saw the need for implementation of 21st century fb and a possible chance at stepping away from the safety and into greatness will be left wondering what might have been. And tha'ts the simple truth.
The only thing all factions have in common, imo, is they want BH to be successful. That may be a stretch because as strange as it sounds, I think it's absolutely true that many were hoping for RR's failure, somehow believing they could claim to be a Michigan fan and wish for losses at the same time. That's a fucking ridiculous notion, but it's all too true.
It's my belief that things are set up well for BH, especially the schedule for next year. He'll inherit the fastest team UM has ever fielded, on both sides of the ball and, finally, a somewhat overall experienced offense, whose qb just touched the surface of his potential greatness last season, his first.
Graduation of lbers will force what should have happened last season and the best defenders will finally take their place in the middle of UM's defense. The idiot that claimed "BH should be successful and win 6 games" apparently didn't look at the schedule. Judging by offense alone and what has to be an improved defense, a perusual of that schedule indicates a realistic expectation of 9 wins and that would make most very happy.
A reunification, especially when so many are pissed that Brandon didn't let RR finish his project, is still a ways off imo.
But unlike others, I could never conceive of hoping a Michigan coach fails. Sadly though, a return to .750 football will be seen as where Michigan should be by so many easily satisfied, whereas so many others believe winning 33 games in a three year span would have become what leaders and best should actually aspire to. And being among that group, I can't be satisfied with a return to the past. That's almost a guarantee to be out of the BCS NC picture simply because other conferences, most notably the SEC, play by rules that those with a modicum of ethical standards just won't be able to compete with unless they dare to try to win using a proven, atthough not universally shared offensive philosophy.
Yes, yes, yes.
Because it's what they believe, so it must be true.
And if you've REALLY paid attention to these boards, there's a faction who are hoping Hoke fails. Because they'd rather say "I told you so" than be wrong. I'd name names, but it's just disingenuous to say you haven't seen it.
And I'd love to see you quote some 40 times, to match how we'll be fielding "the fastest Michigan team, ever". Because other than at QB, I'm not sure we're historically faster at any position. Maybe O-Line (yippee!!). One of our failings was that we were supposed to be speed speed speed...and have receivers and running backs who get caught from behind. And DBs who don't close. Check out all the "Hello" posts...they're not being listed with world class speed.
Don't get me wrong, it's not the slowest team ever. But we've had faster RBs, WRs, DBs, even LBs. It seems you're believing more than reporting.
this Michigan offense (NOT defense...no one besides Wolfman has ever said that) doesn't have a considerably higher average speed than any other Michigan offense in the past 50 years, you should probably get your eyes checked.
"speed" doesn't mean "never get caught from behind." Barry Sanders got caught from behind. Stonum and Odoms don't get caught from behind. Full-speed Fitz and Shaw don't get caught from behind. Denard absolutely does not get caught from behind at full speed.
Yeah, we've had faster receivers and running backs...like twice a decade.
"Sadly though, a return to .750 football will be seen as where Michigan should be by so many easily satisfied, whereas so many others believe winning 33 games in a three year span would have become what leaders and best should actually aspire to"
So under Rodriguez, we'd be going 11-2 or 11-3 every year? I thought you said we were going to be winning national titles.
"But unlike others, I could never conceive of hoping a Michigan coach fails...And being among that group, I can't be satisfied with a return to the past."
So, what are you going to do?
"That's almost a guarantee to be out of the BCS NC picture simply because other conferences, most notably the SEC, play by rules that those with a modicum of ethical standards just won't be able to compete with unless they dare to try to win using a proven, atthough not universally shared offensive philosophy."
lolwut. We're never going to win the national championship because we aren't running Rodriguez's offense? Rodriguez never won a national championship with his offense, so I must be missing something here. Malzahn just won a NC, but his offense does not equal Rod's offense. Nor does Bama's. Or LSU's. Or Florida's.
Considering we would have had to win 51 straight games for him to get back to .750 football, there'd have to be a Championship SOMEWHERE in there.
Here is the best-case scenario:
MIchigan has a very good season, winning ten games including a bowl. Michigan then has a top five recruiting class. DB practices his smug looks in the mirror, thumps his chest, takes credit for everything, and then leaves to pursue his political ambitions. Hoke is then able to do his job without having to carry a giant remora around.
I feel so close to you guys right now
I think it's safe to say that this reuniting the U-M family thing was a bit of an exaggeration.
And by "a bit of an exaggeration" I mean "a bunch of hooey." The season can't start soon enough.
of what you think of or how you feel about DB, we all want Hoke to succeed, yes??? I cant believe I even have to ask that....
If/when he does, there will be no stopping DB. You think he's hard to take now...
But that being said, I can live with his arrogance if the football team is winning. Winning cures everything. Thats what I've always heard and thats what I believe.
that David Brandon can fit his head through normal-sized doorways.
And it's sad because right after he responded to the NCAA's final ruling on practice-blah, he couldn't fit his "onions" through normal-sized doorways.