Seems a little high, but I guess this is moot because of the opener against Alabama will have a large influence on our ranking moving forward.
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Seems a little high, but I guess this is moot because of the opener against Alabama will have a large influence on our ranking moving forward.
and has a first place vote? ND is ranked? Yeah, makes a ton of sense.
..and every day the sky is always blue, the grass is green, and I get morning wood.
ND could get the death penalty and start the season #23, with Holtz predicting a MNC.
7-6 team that wasn't any good last year.
To win the Heisman each year for each year of eligibility remaining...
Would not be surprised if he voted his own team #1.
FSU might actually be pretty good. E.J. Manuel is a proven QB and a senior, his biggest issues last year resulted from a decimated offensive line. There is a good chance they take quite a leap forward this year.
Their homers make the ND faithful look like rational, realistic human beings. Unfortunately, this extends to their reporters.
Hey, it's like the slots... if you keep betting on ND, they've got to be better than mediocre sooner or later, right? Right?
On a seperate note, I was equally surprised that FSU was ranked so high. Their D was good last year, but their offense was mediocre to bad most nights and that was playing in the mostly inept ACC.
Also, it's interesting to see Alabama get so much love (most first place votes) when they've lost so many kids and LSU and USC have so much coming back. Don't get me wrong--I understand that you've gotta respect the Saban, and I'm still scared of them.
I don't think it is that ridiculous for notre dame. They are loaded with talent and were clearly better than their record last year. Being barely in the top 25 seems fair
Loaded with talent?? Sure. Other than quaterback, receiver and their entire secondary they are loaded. They have a good tight end and a good linebacker. Everyone else is meh.
What in the hell does anyone's forthcoming schedule have to do with where they are ranked? I understand that a tough schedule makes it harder to go undefeated. Using that as a factor in ranking teams seems beyond idiotic to me.
Seems like he was just saying he'll enjoy being in the top ten while he can, as our schedule will really make it difficult to stay there.
Eff you, man.
Likely 4-loss? Holy pessimism, Batman!
Nebraska might be improved, but we basically blew them out last year and Martinez still can't throw. I certainly wouldn't call that one a sure loss.
It's silly to predict the future based on one isolated game from last season. Way too many variables. We caught them at their low-point, after a very draining game at Paternoville; they caught us at our peak. We benefitted from a ton of fumbles. And playing at Nebraska -- at night, national TV, revenge factor, biggest game of their season -- will be a whole different deal. I'm not saying we'll lose. But, if I were a betting man...
DOUBLE REVENGE GAME!
We were helped by 2 consecutive fumble recoveries on kickoffs in that game. That won't happen again for a long time. It probably should have been much closer like 31 - 24. Our defense played great but our offense had a short field thanks to special teams turnovers by the Huskers.
We dominated that game. To say our margin was due to turnovers doesn't do us justice. We had 24 first downs to their 11 and 418 yards to their 260. And we threw an INT in our own territory as well, but unlike NU, our defense held. Here's the box score:
It is easy to rack up twice as many first downs and yards when you've had twice as much time of possession.
I think you're being overly pessimistic in your recollection of that game. That was simply not a close game. While we benefitted from the fumbles, their offense couldn't do anything against us all day and the game was never really going to be in doubt(think 06 PSU game but slightly less dominant defense)
Realism to a degree. We return a significant portion of our team too. We are also going to improve. It's post first year in the system and it will show. Borges is much more comfortable with our scheme and the players. Denard will improve-really doubt it's a the level Borges qb at ucla did (Cade mcnown?) but improve nonetheless. Our entire back 7 returns. Ya we have question marks at wr and dline but everyone in the big ten has question marks. 8 and 4 isn't unrealistic-we could get there especially with an injury or two-but if everything goes according to plan-health wise- 9 and 3 is the most likely final with the ceiling being 11 and 1 and the floor being 8 and 4. Also, msu is really good and losing to them is not "giving one away." they should prob be favored to win big ten, especially of maxwell is as good as msu fans say he is.
I understand that a 4-loss season is possible, but likely is still a stretch.
8-4 is my expectation for the regular season as well. I hope we do better than that obviously, but if I were placing money on it, that's my prediction. Alabama, ND, MSU, NU, Ohio are all going to be tough. Iowa or Northwestern both have a shot to upset as well.
Why would it be so hard to justify? We would have a win over Alabama coming off a top 10 finish last year. What would be so hard to justify about moving to 3 in that scenerio?
Bama neutral, Neb, Osu on the road... With a favorable schedule and key home games I could hope for #8 but I see us ending up in the #16-20 area, even though as a team, we just may be the 8th best.
For us to get down to 16-20, we're probably talking about four losses. While certainly possible, we can definitely be more optimistic about the season then 8-4ish. Judging by the Coaches Poll the past few years, with three losses we'd probably be in the 12-13 range, with two putting us solidly in the top ten.
Thank god we have preason polls, I dont know what I would do without them
I mean I'm all about keeping it real but damn let's just throw team #133 under the bus!! Sure preseason polls shouldn't even exist but it does kind of show some respect among those voting! I'm stoked for the season and look for #133 to be better then a 4 loss team this year!!
If we lose 4 games to the only 4 good teams we play then we're not that good.
I don't think Nebraska or Notre Dame is gonna be that good even though they're road games we should still win. Iowa won't beat us this year, MSU will give us a scare but we win that one and same with Ohio
OK, so we won't be any better, but everyone we play will be. Got it.
We were extremely lucky last year against ND. The other years you can't call luck, unless "luck" means playing better than the opponent. As for them beating us this year? Forgive me when I say fuck that. I know it's a road game, and funny things have happened in South Bend; however ND still has no proven QB, just lost their best playmaker, don't have a strong O-Line/RB, and have the secondary depth of 2009/2010 Michigan. They haven't stopped Denard yet, and their D-Line doesn't stike fear into anybody.
Errr, most of our OL returns, with our leading RB, you know the guy who put up 134 yards on you? Best of luck without Martin and VanBergen. Our Dline doesn't strike fear into anyone really? Gary Gray out of the secondary is like addition by subtraction.
As for stopping Denard.. You guys were like 3 and out for 3 quarters. It can be done.
in the past two years, this is his stat line:
35/64 55% 559Y 8.7YPA 5TD 3INT
44A 364Y 3TD
Regardless of when he put those yards up in a game, he put up 423 yards on ND's defense last year, and 502 the year before that. Denard can be shut down, sure, but ND hasn't shown itself capable of doing it yet.
loved that guy. wish he had the same eligibility as tacopants.
I know gary gray sucked but you have wood and jackson projected to start and they were both below gray on the depth chart last year. you also don't have a single freshman corner coming in i believe. when a rb is moved to corner that probably means its not a great group. the front 7 however is going to be pretty damn good. I think Nix is gonna be a beast at NT.
Good for recruiting and fun for pre-season conversation, but little else.
Until we beat both Alabama and ND, I don't think this is justified. If we do beat both of those teams, though, we could be underrated at #8.
WHEN we beat both teams, I'd say we have a case for top 3.
We are actually pretty good and maybe, just maybe, we actually deserve to be ranked that high.
for not having a defensive front 4 that's a pretty good ranking!
Craig Roh is like a 6 year starter, Will Campbell has abs instead of flabs, Beyer and Black are undersized and inexperienced but have shown they can hang. Maybe I'm crazy, but I'm starting to feel a little more confident in them.
Do you really not have anything better to do?
That turned out pretty well, didn't it? Anyways you're making a ridiculous correlation. A high ranking does not mean we're going to do terribly. Have some faith.
"and we beat a 9 win Florida team that lost interest in their season when they dropped out of NC contention" - Florida was out of the NC by October, that's a useless argument
Sounds about right to me. I think we're selling ourselves a little short here. We've returned, what, 15 starters from an 11-2 team? Yes, we lost some key guys, but so did everyone else.
Even thought they lost Kellen Moore and a good chunk of their offense, Boise St. doesn't really play much of a schedule outside of their opener against MSU so #22 seems justified. Do you honestly see more than 2 losses on this list?
Whoever voted for FSU to be #1 is a dunce. Also, is OSU not even eligible to be in the poll with their sanctions or they that bad this year?
They can't be in the poll, since it's used for BCS calculations. I wouldn't be surprised for the AP to put them at 19 or something, though.
I agree that it is a bit high, but probably only a couple of spots. It will be hard to get a read on this team until at least the ND game, and even then who knows.
MSU feels about right, but FSU - sheesh! When was the last time FSU legitimately good at football? 2003? I'm not kidding - they've been a mediocre team nationally for over a decade. People bitch about ND getting undue love every year, but Peter Warrick, Charlie Ward, and Derrick Brooks are not walking through those doors.
Too high. Unless we beat Alabama, the ranking, in this man's humble opinion, is unjustified.
I also think MSU is ranked too low. I know I will receive some flak on this, and having an unproven QB is a concern for them, but that team is fresh off of knocking off an SEC power, and their defense will be among the best in the country. It would not be unreasonable to have them in the top 10.
Eight starters returning on a top ten defense, an All-American at QB, an elite LT and one of 2010's best athletes seeing receiver duty, coupled with a returning thousand yard rusher.
Especially when talking about the eight spot, there isn't a team in the country that deserves it more than we do. The Coaches Poll agrees with us; we're closer to placing sixth than we are falling to ninth.
In what world is Georgia a powerhouse?
UGA is a great team. I wouldn't consider them a powerhouse, because their conference doesn't allow them that luxury. Sure, more than not they will run through their division, but they have to play LSU and/or Alabama in the SEC championship game. The only tough games on their schedule is South Carolina and Florida. Take a look at their schedule this year. I would be surprised if they didn't run the table in the regular season. Let's not forget though, they outplayed LSU in the SEC championship game for a half and some of the 3rd quarter. Their defense is comparable to the best in the nation. If they can score points, they'll be a scary team to deal with.
Georgia wasn't an SEC power last year
They were 7-1 and played for the confernece championship.
played for the confernece championship.
That's like Wisconsin bragging this upcoming year if they make the SEC Championship. The SEC East was/is a joke. You had Georgia and SCAR at the top with 7-1 and 6-2, then it's Florida at 3-5, Vandy and Kentucky at 2-6, and Tennessee at 1-7.
Georgia has lost 21 games in the last 5 years. I'm not sure I would consider them an SEC powerhouse.
On ndnation they are already wondering how high they move when they beat msu and Michigan (5 of 6 cough cough) and how far we would fall. I guess not far though because we are always "overranked." Well if that ain't the pot calling the kettle black. Also, we aren't a kettle. We are a frying pan to the face, notre dame. Right in your little green dome.
They'll beat state then fall to us. Again.
First, I will say that, out of sheer curiosity, I went back to the prediction thread for this very thing from last evening and found that, of those who fronted some predictions, five got this one right.
This is pretty fair for a preseason rank, in my opinion - we return most of our starters overall, and they have even more time in the current system under their belt. We lose some key players, but the players in their spots now have shown that they should work nicely as well. I believe we're returning 8 of 11 on what was statistically a pretty damn good defense, and most of a pretty potent offense energized by Dilithium.
Someone is a fun governor.
Anyone think they know why sparty went down for #10 that beat Georgia to #15? They return a killer defense. Sure, Cousins, but what would cause that kind of dip? I don't think LSU even plays with a quarterback and they're #1.
I think msu will be tough. And what precipitates Georgia and FSU moving up so much?
Losing your starting QB is a huge hurdle. We'll have to deal with that next year. Losing their entire WR corps on top of that suggests the passing game could be very problematic.
Also, while their D should still be very good, Worthy was arguably the best player on the unit and will be hard to replace.
Losing your QB in that offense isn't a huge deal, they will just focus on the run early until Maxwell is more comfortable. They are down some receivers, but will get a boost from Arnett coming in and playing right away.
Yeah, they're just going to run bell every play and hopefully he only fumbles twice a game. You don't think people will stack the box and make them throw? Remember in 2008, when we had a top returning defense and a first year QB? Why didn't we just run the ball every play?
Huh? I don't think Bell was ever a problematic fumbler for them.. that was Baker and he left after last season. That's also largely why he was demoted and Bell took over the starting spot.
But ya, they'll be turning a lot to their run game because most of the returning offense experience is on their line and running game. Their QB will know the receivers from the scout team, I'm sure, and he's supposed to be an alright QB, but no one will know until the season revs up.
*in before my stalker marks this as trolling*
pre-season ranking, and not in a good way. We lose to Alabama and the haterz (sic) will be happy to demote us to something equally unreasonable, like 30th; we'll spend the season grinding our way out of there toward some kind of Tupperware Bowl.
Rankings should not come out until the second or third week; nothing but Old Boy foolishness.
You know the best part of being in the Big Ten? Even if we lose to Alabama, hell even if we lose every non-conference game, we control our own destiny on going to the Rose Bowl. So we won't be "scraping for the Tupperware Bowl" if we earn our way into the Rose Bowl,
Is about what I expected...beat Bama.
Mr. Steele says you should be #22.
Phil Steele is also an asshat. So there's always that to consider when reading anything he writes.
Oh darn it! We're ranked too high what ever can we do?
All you hear about is how they are in the SEC. Win a bowl game Arkansas and I will let you talk. They have 1 National Championship they share with Alabama (of course). When I lived there it was all I mutha f'n heard about, and that was that they are in the SEC. We get it LSU and Alabama are good. F! The Coyotes are in the Western Conference. Yaaaayyyyy!
Legends will be a dogfight. To the end.
UM, MSU, and NU all are very good teams with flaws.
Good luck to you guys, have a great season (except when you're in Lincoln).
Nevermind replied to the wrong spot.