Elmer was always going to go to Notre Dame. And Michigan's talent pool is not nearly as deep as it was this past year.
Michigan 2013 Instate recruiting
when you're rooting for the other team in an atmosphere of 115k, your mind is clearly made up on where you want to go. It sucks but it will hurt a lot less if we get LTT.
P.S. I replied to your comment to specifically tell you that I love your photo and "The devil and god.." is the best album Brand New has made.
That is a great album, but what about Deja Entendu? I think that one is my favorite.
Deja was good for what it was, but IMO, Brand New took a HUGE step forward creatively with Devil and God. The lyrical content alone is incredible - while they've always been personal (even self-depricating, almost to a fault), Devil and God definitely was just more grown-up.
That said, I was emensly dissatisfied with Daisy.
If we miss on Diamond and Kozan(which seems possible), then LTT becomes priority #1 for next year.
Lt3 seems more and more like a solid chance. Kid is ridiculous, but west coast has some strong kids in 2013. Mich has some late bloomers usually so wait and see.
There are other great prospects in the midwest as well. I would add guys like Bosch and Pocic to our priority list.
seems like Texas has a boat load of high-end OL prospects. Hopefully we can snag some of them.
Also - I'd really like to see our recruiting finish strong in IL/ PA/ MD this year. Those states are deep and of course OH (we've given out 15 offers in OH already)
Speaking as a reformed Texan, I do not trust O-Linemen from Texas. The style of play in Texas gives the advantage to the offense and athleticism. I find them to play with very little grit compared to linemen from other areas (mainly the Midwest, as that's what I have to compare). I think that level of competition leads them to be overrated. But who knows, I haven't seen these specific candidates. I just harbor that abiding suspicion.
But if you disagree, fine. As a rule it's still exceptionally difficult to pry top level talent out of Texas and bring them this far north.
He was at UTL and found himself pulling for ND. That's some true love right there. Best of luck to him, except against us and in bowl games.
That Denard to Roy kicked his nuts in
Thank you for posting that little gem this morning. I NEVER get tired of that clip....so much so that the avatar just looked up at me (she was at the game too btw) and asked "are you watching that AGAIN?"
I think my favorite part (and it's all good) is when not 5 seconds after the line "he's a poor thrower" he goes quiet and then says in the lowest voice possible "Michigan is going to score....I don't believe it".
Seems like Westwood's production mutes the crowd noise. Sounds like 115,000 golf-claps in the background.
Wow had not heard that call before, hilarious. Thanks for posting.
The full audio is awesome...the before and after of that clip from Michigan scoring to ND scoring to Michigan scoring again, and all the debate and angst after it, it's worth it.
That'll go down as one of the all time great nights.
Best part is the dufus B. Musberger calling out Denard as a poor passer, then 30 seconds later saying, "I don't believe this but Michigan is going to score."
Go Blue Wolverines!
It sounds like recruiting in the state of Michigan is going to be great at the top (Shane, Elmer, Shallman, Lewis, Reschke, Riley Norman, a few others) and then not that great after that. So based on the 4 you listed, that's a good start this early.
Michigan is not very deep for 2013, but is top heavy. It is too bad Norman and Reschke are considered Sparty leans.
that said i dont think that Reschke and Norman are any better than Kalis, Magnuson, or hopefully Diamond from this year. I think Braden was very underrated may be better than either of these '13 guys as well.
That said, I'm glad we got our OL numbers this year. LTT will be an outstanding prospect, and hopefully we add a couple nore next year too.
Reschke is a OLB/DE prospect, not o-line
Reschke yet to my knowledge, which is disappointing. I really like that kid and think he would be a very reliable LB...hopefully we can get him an offer and get him on campus because I really don't want him chasing down Shane in the near future.
So Reschke has had a lot of practice chasing down Shane already...
With the LB haul we have had, I dont think taking that many is likely this year...We have to keep things in perspective, so my question is do you want instate Reschke or the other possibilities of Michael Hutchings, Ben Gedeon, EJ Levenberry, Jaylon Smith, or Peter Kalambayi...just to name a few
Please, I beg of you, no more recruiting talk. I can't take it.
As much as we'd all love to have Elmer in the class, he's about as solid as you can get to ND, same way as Shane/Dymonte are to us. The talent in state is quite thin, but it's still worthwhile to pick up a few if we can maintain relationships and pipelines.
Ohio again is as stacked as ever so we're gonna do some cherry picking there.
Instead of doing some cherry picking in the State of Ohio, let's put a fence there and make Ohio try to cherry pick from their own state.
I was pretty embittered that Elmer didn't even give UM so much as a whiff but jumped at ND and of all people Brian Vesuvius Kelly. Not to mention I live in Midland and can't stand the thought of someone from my community actually wanting to go to ND.
I don't get it either, but they have tradition and the NBC thing. Also it must be a big deal for Catholic families if that is what they are looking for. From what I heard, the Elmer family are serious Catholics.
So when the Catholic religion dwindles away, which it is, hopefully the school will too.
Steve is anti-michigan, plain and simple. I don't think he's ever cheered for michigan ever in his life. He grew up a michigan state fan, but wants the academics of notre dame. Some kids just don't like U of M, and for that you can't blame them!
Not even 20 years but I get your point.
I hate ND as much as anyone, but it is a great school, a beautiful campus, is near a great city, has a great alumni network, its own tv network-what part is hard to understand? I hate them, but every domer I have come to know personally I really like. They remind me of us.
I'm not sure you hate them as much as you think you do. Lots of reasons why it's hard to understand. How about 18 years of suck on the field, they're Iowa.
I think South Bend is a dump. I disliked their fans all 3 times I went there.
I too am bitter about Elmer. Would have been great to get him in Maize and Blue. Apparently Ann Arbor was too liberal for him.
with the too liberal thing
How can you be bitter about a kid, going to the school he rooted for? Would it have been nice to get him? sure, but there is plenty of talent on the OL we are looking at.
how is Dantonio going to get the #1 kid in-state?
Oh wai,t I am sure he will find one service that has one of his two "locks" listed as #1
I am not bitter about this year's in state recruiting even if we lost on Burbridge - because MI was deep and we did phenomenally well in keeping most talent.
However, with Steve Elmer I was disappointed because
1) Plays in position of need
2) Local Kid in shallow talent year
3) Committed THIS early to another school
Yes I understand kid has supported ND all his life and I am not mad at him for choosing ND. Just disappointed at the whole situation
I'd rather he chose ND 15 months before national signing day instead of stringing us along and leaving us without a viable backup plan.
Why are you disappointed? What else do you expect coach to do?
Just... I mean... come on, man. I'm astounded by your stupidity.
What the hell are you talking about? We pulled almost every top recruit in the state this year.
I pray this is sarcasm. Please, Angry Michigan Illiteracy Hating God, let this be sarcasm...
Not to nitpick, but wouldn't said God be a Literacy Hating God? Cause if he hated Illiteracy then all post's would be perfect grammar
What do you expect Coach Hoke to do? Get everyone is the top 10 interested. Coach didnt want to take a chance on AB's grades. Elmer went to his dream school and DOB said Ann Arbor was too liberal for him. Maybe in a couple of years, we can get the APR up and then we can wait for AB. And maybe AA can bre more conservative to get DOB.
I'm not bitter about Elmer specifically. More so with the fact that elite in-state talent is leaving. It doesn't matter how successful the team is or how well we recruit sometimes. There are going to be a few players that will be looking elsewhere, regardless. It's just a shame that it has to be a very good player.
The 2013 class will be as loaded if not even more loaded as the 2012 class, but a kid im very impressed with also out of the PSL along with Lewis, is Demetrius Stinson, the kid sophmore and junior highlights are phenomenial along with the stats that he puts up are also best in the state.
While I understand people talking about Elmer, IMO he is not the best OL in the state. Cameron Dillard is the best OL in the state. Plays against better competition and is a superior run blocker..Elmer is a much better pass blocker though..I understand that camps are a big thing now a days and from my understanding, Dillard has not been to many camps.But on the field of play, Dillard is just better..Im actually stunned that Michigan has not offered him.
Dillard plays in the KVLAA and definitely doesn't play superior competition. He also really struggles with pass blocking cuz all they do is run.
Where did you hear he hasn't camped much? I know that's false cuz he has camped and sent out film to everywhere possible since 8th grade.
First off, its the KLAA. Second, he does play in a superior league.That is just pure and utter fact..The Saginaw Vally Association is not a strong leage at all.A couple of good teams. As far as him not camping much, that came from a coach.I took his word. I cannot answer on film as I have no clue.So I take your word on that. Ive saw Dillard a dozen times in the last 2 years..He struggled his first year with pass blocking but was much better last year.To say he "really" struggles is a stretch. For their offense, they actually threw quite a bit last year.
And just a fyi.Im not some high schooler or friend. I have followed MHSAA football for 20 years and enjoy it. I go all over the state and see fantastic teams and players. I know our states leagues (except D5-8) very well. Again just my opinion from my history.
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I'm also surprised that Dillard hasn't gotten an offer yet. He's already got a couple of BCS offers from Missouri, Oregon and Arizona. My guess is that the coaches will want to see him this summer before making an offer.
Who will be back at Cass Tech. He has Michigan interest and a Flordia State offer.
I think Illinois will be our home state this year. It seems to be more loaded than it normally is. We will still get our 4-6 out of Ohio no matter who the coach is. As far as Michigan, it isn't deep. It has a few nice players at the top, but 2 of them have natural Spartan ties and will be tough pulls. Elmer was going to ND all along. It may be a good idea to keep in touch though. For some reason ND thinks they are better than the 8-4 program that they actually are, will will they move on from Kelly if he has another mediocre season?Who knows?
Dawson moving back helps, but there were reports that he didn't have a very good camp at Michigan last year. Trieu seems to think that Dawson and Dillard aren't sure fire Michigan offers. I suppose a lot will depend on how well they do with all those Illinois OL they have offered.
With an "extra recruiter" in Shane Morris, and a staff that has proven to be extremely proficient in recruiting, 2013 will work out just fine. As for Elmer, he is only one recruit and there are 85 schollies on a team. One recruit won't make or break a football team, unless it is Terrelle Pryor, who ended up "breaking' the team he signed with, at least for a year or two.
A lean year in Michigan will hurt Sparty a lot more than it hurts the Maize and Blue. Hoke and company will get their share of instate players who can play at an elite level, and then move on to the rest of the midwest. Then, they will add a few players from the south and from the west.
As for Sparty, next year will be a great example of how "national" they are, unless they want a class ranked in the 50's.
Who would you rather have?
Ojemudia, Richardson, Ross, Jenkins-Stone, Godin, Funchess, Braden, Johnson, and Norfleet...
I'll take the ladder...
I am glad you got the ladder, because I don't think I could have carried it while carrying the power tools and hammer and nails.
Now looking at your list, I think I will take the latter.
Elmer's position coach went to OSU... maybe this increase our chances, and I suppose OSU's as well.