Michael Jordon (NTMJ) to Ohio State

Submitted by DrMantisToboggan on

The 4* OT from Plymouth, and probably best player in the state in 2016, just committed to Ohio State. He was thought to be a Michigan lean and Michael and his father had said many times that his recruitment would not be ending anytime soon. This commitment seems both fishy and soft, and I am sure Jim and Staff will continue to hound this kid. He is a very important get not only for his skill set and position, but also to help fend off the growing perception that Michigan does not prioritize players from the state of Michigan, especially kids from the SE portion of the state. Definitely a player to follow, hopefully we can get him back to the good guys.

ThadMattasagoblin

May 8th, 2015 at 1:15 AM ^

Denard took a visit to Florida and Georgia of SEC schools. So it was one of them and judging by the fact that he would have fit well into Urban's system, was from the same state, and Florida recruited circles around Georgia in that era it's clear which school it was. Also throw in the fact that Urban doesn't play by the same rules in other areas such as number of players signed and I really doubt it was Mark Richt.

justingoblue

May 8th, 2015 at 1:45 AM ^

Personally I agree with ThadMattasagoblin that it pretty much has to be Florida/Meyer, but it would take something seriously crazy to surprise me about recruiting, especially in the SEC.

Three & Out is worth the time because Bacon had more access for a longer period of time than anyone else has gotten at a major program and Bacon is a true believer in college athletics, which I pretty much assume people with an account here are.

It fails to seriously address the defensive issues RR had, but overall it's a nice behind the scenes look and I think the RR portrait is much closer to the truth than ESPN et all will ever show. Not trying to be disparaging to Bacon or anything, but it's not an academic journal. It's a fast read with plenty of gossip type stuff (Denard getting Twitter mentions from LeBron after ND 2010, Mike Martin partying like a rockstar later that night and TEASER what it took for Bacon to get into the victory party).

Perkis-Size Me

May 7th, 2015 at 7:08 PM ^

There may very well have been, but to me, that just sounds like an excuse for why shit isn't going our way. Simply put, Harbaugh needs to win football games. And he needs to beat OSU, otherwise you'd better get used to this happening as long as Urban is in charge.

Have to call a spade a spade. For the time being, OSU is a much better, much more attractive program for a top recruit to go to than Michigan is.

buckeyejonross

May 8th, 2015 at 1:01 AM ^

That just furthers my point, Urban is rather entrenched in the Michigan high school football scene, and until Harbaugh can dig his claws in, top Michigan players signing with OSU isn't a surprise. Harbaugh hasn't been in Michigan in years. The man has been in California for a decade plus.

Rabbit21

May 7th, 2015 at 6:56 PM ^

It's time for Harbaugh to start winning again so he can put a stop to this crap. I'm glad he made a decision that works for him, but this train of kids from Michigam to OSU is not a good thing in any way shape or form.

gjking

May 7th, 2015 at 7:40 PM ^

Well from what I've heard the recruiting approaches are totally different. OSU is football, football, football. Michigan is moral character, academics, location, and football. For the small fraction of players who end up going pro, I guess maybe OSU is better for their life choice. However, for most players and as a safe backup option for all of them, Michigan is a far better choice. I'm guessing this dude thinks he is 95% NFL bound, or else its a strictly suboptimal decision for him to go to OSU. 

 

 

 

 

 

RationalBuckeye

May 7th, 2015 at 8:28 PM ^

You wouldn't tell an prospective engineer to go to a school for the dining halls, you'd point them to the best engineering program. These kids are going to school to succeed in football, whether you like it or not, and they're gonna go to the schools with the best programs.
Not to mention, do you really think the programs that most of these guys go into are really that different from one school to the other? A communications degree from UM and OSU are gonna put you in the same spot after undergrad.



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mastodon

May 7th, 2015 at 11:36 PM ^

I don't think football is fourth on the list of what this staff pitches.

On that note....Enough of the visiting-recruit-feedback includes some variation of how "Harbaugh will definitely turn this program around," to where it seems they really must be pounding that message home.  

Coldwater

May 7th, 2015 at 6:56 PM ^

This not good. We should not lose guys 30 minutes from The Big House. Losing for all these years really sucks. 17-18 year olds may never remember a time that Michigan was relevant on the National scene.

LSAClassOf2000

May 7th, 2015 at 7:00 PM ^

At first, I did not see the (NTMJ) part and wondered if Michael Jordan was perhaps going to try and do it all over again with a different collegiate team and then get drafted again and see what happens. It wouldn't shock me.

As for this Michael Jordan, in addition to Ohio State, we did have an offer in as most known, but so did Boston College, Iowa, Michigan State, Nebraska, Notre Dame and Penn State. 

1974

May 7th, 2015 at 7:08 PM ^

A request for the OP: Please explain the following .....

"..... fend off the growing perception that Michigan does not prioritize players from the state of Michigan, especially kids from the SE portion of the state ....."

What "growing perception?" Are you Dantonio or Drew Sharp?

WolverineJet

May 7th, 2015 at 7:12 PM ^

Don't know if you know, but it has been talk on recruiting sites that some recruits in the state feel like they are not as big a priority as out of state. So the OP comment is a real thing.

DrMantisToboggan

May 7th, 2015 at 7:17 PM ^

I am not Mark Dantonio as I do smile on occasion.

I am not Drew Sharp, and if I were I would hope that one of my fellow MGoBlog members would do the honest, good-samaritan thing and shoot me in the forehead.

There are some rumblings in the metro Detroit area that this staff thinks that they don't need Michigan's HS recruits and can pull kids from all over the country in more talent-rich states. One staff that has been explicitly implicated is the staff at Detroit King. 

I can't speak to the veracity of these rumors. Just things I have heard, which happen to back up comments that kids like Donnie Corley make every once in a while. May also be why the brother of a starting safety here (also from King) committed to an out-of-state school a year and a half before his signing day. 

Once again, all rumors and could just be arrogant Michigan guy explaining away lack of success, but it's rumors I keep hearing.

DavidP814

May 7th, 2015 at 7:37 PM ^

So the brother of an actual player and potential starter thinks the staff isn't prioritizing in-state kids???   What about the "lower" rated kid from Farmington who is part of the 2016 class.

There is not enough high school talent in the state of Michigan to be able to focus centrally on in-state recruits and win big.  Moving into Ohio, Michigan will very frequently run 2nd when trying to pull the very top-level kids from Ohio State when that program is humming like it is.

Also, that logic doesn't make much sense as a reason the TOP-rated kid in Michigan commits to OSU, particularly when several lower-rated players are already Michigan commits.

DrMantisToboggan

May 7th, 2015 at 8:13 PM ^

I'm not justifying this train of thought, just relaying info. And yeah, Michigan will never produce enough talent to adequately fill our two-deep every year, but as one of the greatest football programs in history you need to be able to lock down the top 2 or 3 in your state every year (and the top 2 or 3 in Michigan every year are almost always playoff-team level talent). 

Steve Lorenz

May 7th, 2015 at 7:42 PM ^

Some things to keep in mind regarding Detroit King/Michigan's in-state recruiting: 

1. Their last staff reportedly didn't like the way Brady Hoke recruited either. This staff recruits in a much different fashion than Hoke's did, so there are also many that believe their staff is simply not high on Michigan period. 

2. One of the reasons for this is the connection with Michigan State's recruiting coordinator Curtis Blackwell. Blackwell is a King alum and has known a lot of the kids that have recently transferred into King (Martell Pettaway, Kyonta Stallworth, Corley, etc.) before they transferred there. 

3. Ohio State and MSU are both coming off of historic seasons. Michigan is obviously not. The new staff, while attractive to recruits, has had to work from way, way behind with a lot of the established in-state prospects like Corley, Jordan, Kareem, etc. because of the relationships those prospects have built with other staffs. There's no way they were ever going to get all, or maybe even many of them. 

4. Where the argument really falls apart is in 2017. Michigan has now offered Jaylen Kelly-Powell, Ambry Thomas (King), JaRaymond Hall (Oak Park), Allen Stritizinger (De La Salle), Joshua Ross (OLSM) and Carter Dunaway (Brother Rice) before any other regional program. They will obviously continue to recruit their 2016 targets hard, but I think they know that 2017 is the class they will have the most success in-state with, and they've definitely made the SE side of the state a major priority early. 

DrMantisToboggan

May 7th, 2015 at 8:17 PM ^

Yeah like I said in another comment, I am not arguing that this staff doesn't spend enough time in state, I'm just relaying the things that are being continuously passed through the grapevine. I know this staff is setting up visit events specifically for the in-state kids (In-State Great 8 for 2017). It's not a real attitude towards Detroit recruits, just something that is being propagated currently for a presumably incorrect reason. 

DrMantisToboggan

May 7th, 2015 at 8:19 PM ^

He is. He has only been recruiting the area for a few months, however. Some of these kids, especially the kids at King have known their recruiter from other schools for 3 years now. Once we start winning and as time goes on Wheat will become a dominant Detroit recruiter, as a Michigan legend from the city turned coach.

Don

May 7th, 2015 at 8:21 PM ^

But that doesn't keep you from repeating them four times in the same thread.

I wonder if there are any of our rivals who could maybe possibly potentially maybe have a vested interest in spreading and perpetuating bullshit rumors about the Michigan coaching staff....