Michael Floyd: Unlikely to miss any games

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June 15th, 2011 at 12:29 PM
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Michael Floyd: Unlikely to miss any games

In today's Chicago Tribune, there's an article wherein Brian Kelly is quoted as saying that, if Floyd continues on the track he's on, he doesn't think Floyd will miss any games.

Link: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-notre-dames-kelly-very-optimistic-on-floyd-playing-20110614,0,6369022.story

Not to beat a dead horse, but doesn't this seem a tad...lenient? And although I'm sure Brady Hoke doesn't look to other programs for guidance on how to discipline his players, what would the MGoCommunity think if Hoke came out and said something like this about Stonum? Just curious, as it seems from the prior posts I've read that a lot of folks on here would be disappointed in Hoke if Stonum isn't suspended.

I searched the board but didn't find this posted. Apologies if this article was posted already, but it seems unlikely, as it came out today.

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June 15th, 2011 at 12:32 PM | If they had a pushover in (Score:1)
big10football
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If they had a pushover in week 1, I'm sure he would be suspended. South Florida should be tough enough this year to where ND will actually need him. That's how I interpret it.

June 15th, 2011 at 12:34 PM | Kelly is McDantonio. Pure and (Score:4 Normal)
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Kelly is McDantonio. Pure and simple. Total scumbag.

June 15th, 2011 at 12:48 PM | Not yet (Score:0 Flamebait)
June 15th, 2011 at 1:47 PM | I can't believe I'm defending (Score:4 Normal)
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I can't believe I'm defending Dantonio, but at least he hasn't made any decisions that have directly resulted in a young man's death (at least not that we know about). Nor has he let a player return to the field who may or may not have had a concussion because the back ups just weren't getting it done.

June 15th, 2011 at 12:34 PM | The two situations are not the same... (Score:4 Normal)
Blue in Yarmouth
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You're right, some people have said they would be outraged if Hoke handed out the same punishment to Stonum that Floyd is getting. The problem is DS has had a DUI, probation violation, another DUI and now was just caught driving with a suspended licence.

Floyd has two drinking underage charges and 1 dui. There is a big difference between the two IMHE and if I was coaching two players that had the same records these two have I would come down much harder on the one with Stonums past then I would the one with Floyds..

June 15th, 2011 at 1:45 PM | So by my math, Michael (Score:3 Normal)
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So by my math,

Michael Floyd: 3 alcohol related offenses

Darryl Stonum: 2 alcohol related offenses

June 15th, 2011 at 1:54 PM | MIPs are completely different (Score:3 Normal)
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MIPs are completely different to DUIs.  If anything they're more comparable to Stonum's driving with a suspended license.

I put up a tough front, but deep down I just want to be held.

June 15th, 2011 at 2:18 PM | Agreed (Score:2)
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Seriously, obviously, you can couch it as "3 alcohol-related offenses," which, if I were the "prosecution" in this court of public opinion, is the approach I would take. However, as Shirtless said, comparing an MIP to a DUI is ridiculous. One is breaking a somewhat arbitrary law that, at times in many on this board's lifetime, was different (the drinking age), and, at the very least, only endangering yourself conceivably (if you buy the concept that a 19 or 20 year old is "endangering themselves" by drinking). A DUI has the chance for disastrous consequences for not only yourself, but the rest of society. That's why it's a much, much bigger deal. And doing it twice in such a short amount of time especially, shows a mind-numbing lack of judgment and maturity.

June 15th, 2011 at 2:51 PM | I don't know if rbgoblue was (Score:0 Flamebait)
June 15th, 2011 at 2:54 PM | Do you know how many times I (Score:1 Normal)
BigBlue02
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Do you know how many times I drank underage and never got 1 (let alone 2) minor in possessions? Either one is a horrible lack in judgement.

And just for my clarification, how many MIPs does it take to equal 1 DUI? Considering you seem to have down what can be counted as arbitrary and what actually matters in alcohol related offenses, I figured you would know a number of MIPs they equals a DUI.

June 15th, 2011 at 3:06 PM | In Ann Arbor, you'd have to (Score:2)
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In Ann Arbor, you'd generally have to get about 4-5 MIPs before the fines/punishments were even close to bordering on those of a first DUI.

I put up a tough front, but deep down I just want to be held.

June 15th, 2011 at 5:14 PM | It's settled then. Floyd can (Score:0 Normal)
June 15th, 2011 at 6:43 PM | BB02: 100. 100 MIP's. No, (Score:2)
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BB02: 100. 100 MIP's. No, scratch that- 1,000,000 MIP's equals a DUI. What I was saying, and am saying, is that one is a crime against no one other than yourself, the other against society because it puts everyone else at risk.

I wasn't saying the MIP/DUI as a combo isn't awful; it is. I am saying that, frankly, that a DUI is a far, far more serious offense. . . which, apparently, the Michigan Penal Code agrees with. As does the Model Penal Code. As does common sense. Drinking alcohol, by itself, under an arbitrary age set by the government which is past adolescence, is in the minds of most rational people, I'd believe, a hell of a lot less egregious to society than endangering the lives of innocent fellow members of society by operating a dangerous instrument (a car) while impaired. And the reason they give DUI's for bicyclists is because, among other things, an erratic cyclist still has to share the road with people driving those dangerous instruments (cars, trucks, etc), and, in an attempt to avoid hitting said drunk cyclist, could be seriously hurt themselves.

Also: Congratulations for not getting an MIP. I never got one either. Being lucky doesn't give you moral high ground.

June 16th, 2011 at 12:32 AM | Thank you for proving my (Score:0)
June 15th, 2011 at 6:05 PM | Uh, let's leave the contrived (Score:2)
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Uh, let's leave the contrived attempts at making excuses/shifting blame to Sparty fans.

June 15th, 2011 at 12:36 PM | Kelly is sure giving ND a (Score:1)
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Kelly is sure giving ND a good name.  I bet mguser IRISH is proud.

June 15th, 2011 at 8:34 PM | Easy decision for nd ... (Score:1)
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I think Kelly got this right out the "handbook".

Go Blue !

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June 15th, 2011 at 12:37 PM | What?! (Score:3 Normal)
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I'm shocked!  Also, is there gambling going on in this nightclub I'm in?   

It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future. -- Yogi Berra

                         

June 15th, 2011 at 12:40 PM | I don't get the reference? (Score:2)
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I don't get the reference?

Hail.

June 15th, 2011 at 12:42 PM | Casablanca (Score:4 Normal)
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Casablanca

How many times have you been on the freeway and had someone fly by you at 100 mph then end up 2 cars ahead of you at the off ramp? What's the point? -Mark Harmon

June 15th, 2011 at 12:43 PM | Casablanca (Score:2 Informative)
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From Wikipedia:   

[Renault has ordered that Rick's close immediately]
 
Rick: How can you close me up? On what grounds?
 
Renault: I’m shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here.
 
Employee of Rick's: [hands Renault money] Your winnings, sir.
 
Renault: Oh, thank you, very much. Everybody out at once!

 

 

 

It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future. -- Yogi Berra

                         

June 15th, 2011 at 12:50 PM | Thank you sirs.  Apparently, (Score:3 Normal)
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Thank you sirs.  Apparently, I need to brush up on my classic movie knowledge.e

Hail.

June 15th, 2011 at 2:53 PM | It would help if you knew (Score:2 Normal)
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It would help if you knew that Louis Renault is the local police captain.  Thus, the irony.

For my privacy, my new username is "non-Oriental non-Andrew"
 

June 15th, 2011 at 12:38 PM | ish: not surprised. (Score:2)
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ish: not surprised.

June 15th, 2011 at 12:39 PM | Dantonio finds this punishment (Score:5 Normal)
brose
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a tad lenient

June 15th, 2011 at 12:40 PM | Let him play for God's sake (Score:2 Normal)
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I just don't understand what good it does to for Young Man to kick him off the team.  I get it that you think the coach is keeping a player only because he has the opportunity to win games with him, but I don't see it that way.  Coaches are educators - most of them have an idyllic vision of the innocence of youth and the nuture vs. nature and all that. 

If the kid can follow the rules to redemption, let him play for God's sake.

-The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.

June 15th, 2011 at 12:45 PM | Pretty sure a DUI means you miss at least a game in: (Score:3 Informative)
brose
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-High School

-College

-Pro football

Not sure anyone stated he should be kicked off the team, but to miss no game time is a bit lenient...

June 15th, 2011 at 1:36 PM | This is a good point.  Some (Score:2 Normal)
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This is a good point.  Some type of suspension may be justified, I just don't like the "kick him off the team or you're a dirty coach" garbage.

-The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.

June 15th, 2011 at 12:49 PM | The change of tune is the issue (Score:2 Normal)
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In the past, ND has proclaimed from atop a moral high horse that it doesn't stand for things like DUIs and that any player who gets into that kind of trouble will be suspended or even kicked off the team...If this was happening at Oklahoma, I wouldn't comment. 

It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future. -- Yogi Berra

                         

June 15th, 2011 at 1:03 PM | ND has been without their moral high horse since the late 1980s (Score:2 Normal)
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uttd

Abort, Retry, Fail?

June 15th, 2011 at 12:51 PM | And because of his affliation (Score:3 Normal)
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And because of his affliation with ND, he really is playing for God's sake.

Hail.

June 15th, 2011 at 12:44 PM | Thank you, innate cynicism. (Score:2 Normal)
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Totally called that one.

Abort, Retry, Fail?

June 15th, 2011 at 12:45 PM | Why is anyone surprised when these things (Score:2)
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happen.  No matter what drivel any coach says about discipline and teaching, they are paid to win.  If they don't win they are gone.  If they win, all is forgiven.

Kelly, Meyer, Saban, Miles etc will do whatever to get the wins they must have.  No one suspends a player aganist tough competition if they can get away with it.

If Hoke doesn't suspend stonum for at least 4 games, he's going light on the kid and it won't teach him anything, but since I'm not in the room I can't speak to Hoke's discipline.

What the mind can conceive and believe, the mind can achieve and...Those Who Stay WILL Be Champions.

June 15th, 2011 at 2:01 PM | I think our WR depth will (Score:1)
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I think our WR depth will take some pressure off of Hoke to play Stonum, whereas Floyd is a monster and ND's clear number 1 reciever. Not to say Stonum isn't a great reciever, but we have 2 WRs that are just as good and a slew of others that can contribute. But damn, Stonum would be great to have paired up with Roundtree and JH.

I agree with you though, I think at least 4 games is appropriate.

June 15th, 2011 at 12:45 PM | Another thing to keep in mind... (Score:1)
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I am not exactly sure when this DUI thing happened for Floyd, but it was a while ago. We are almost three months away from the first game and it is entirely possible that ever since he was charge/convicted of his DUI he has been endruing some disciplinary stuff. If that is the case, how much punishment do you expect a coach to dish out for a guys first DUI? Please someone enlighten me here. I hate the Irish and can't believe I am sticking up for this issue, but let's try and be rational here.

June 15th, 2011 at 12:48 PM | Let he, (Score:4 Normal)
somewittyname
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who does not have a similar situation at hand within their own program, cast the first stone.

June 15th, 2011 at 12:51 PM | Well, there has to be some (Score:1)
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Well, there has to be some real punishment -- a suspension for a game or two. Otherwise, the kids don't learn anything and the team thinks "Ah, well, we can get away with shit." If the kids don't face real consequences, the team eventually breaks down. See, um, Columbus, Ohio.

June 15th, 2011 at 12:54 PM | This isn't a surprise for (Score:2)
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This isn't a surprise for me.  It also won't be a surprise when Stonum suits up for UM again at some point.  It is easy for a rival fanbase to criticize a coach for foing easy on a kid that we have no connection to.  When a similar situation happens to one of our own, a kid that we all grew fond of and watched every Saturday, its a different story.  These things happen all the time, and I don't hold it against a coach/team for going to bat for a player that has given everything for the program for 3-4 years.  There are exceptions, of course, but I highly doubt there will be a huge thread protesting Stonum when he is allowed back on the field, ala the Floyd thread awhile back. I think there is a line to cross for these programs, and it exists somewhere between Harvey Unga and Chris L Rucker.

June 15th, 2011 at 1:02 PM | I can say... (Score:3 Normal)
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In all honesty, with Stonum's history that I will be pissed if he plays a single snap for UM this year. I don't know that there will be a thread about it, but I will be pissed as hell if he gets to play this year after the multiple issues he's had. And Dui's don't happen all the time. What's more, a kid getting 2 DUI's, a probation violation, and then getting caught driving with a suspended licence don't happen all the time. Who are you Terrelle Pryor...everybody murders?

June 15th, 2011 at 1:28 PM | posted from iPhone (Score:4 Normal)
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Sign me up for that "mad/disappointed as hell" thread, too. Michigan and ND should be different from everyone else in some ways. That's what makes them Michigan and Notre Dame.

June 15th, 2011 at 1:37 PM | 2 for 1 DUI specials don't (Score:2)
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2 for 1 DUI specials don't happen everyday, but NCAA players having run ins with the wrong side of the law are pretty common. 

"Sports Illustrated, with assistance from CBS News, ran criminal background checks on all of the college football players from its preseason top 25 teams. It found that 7 percent of the 2,837 players had run-ins with the law before or after entering school." http://www.suntimes.com/sports/morrissey/4103586-417/ncaa-example-win-and-forget-the-arrest.html

 

I'm not making excuses for these players, nor am I lobbying for them to play.  I'm simply stating that every team faces this dilemma, and its naive to judge the situation knowing only a few superficial details.  Making blanket statements about a coach and a program because of a decision that we know very little about, and that is very much in the gray area, is silly.  If you believe wholeheartedly that Michael Floyd should not be given another chance, then I think you should be equally as upset when Stonum suits up again (not directed towards you, Yarmouth, more towards the general public).

June 15th, 2011 at 1:45 PM | I do agree with your post, (Score:2 Informative)
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I do agree with your post, just wanted to chime in that the SI article there was pretty thoroughly fisked by Brian and some others on the board. Seven percent is actually less than the general population even without controlling for variables like race, family income, parents marital status, ect.

Go Blue!

June 15th, 2011 at 1:49 PM | touche.  Point for Brian.  I (Score:2)
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touche.  Point for Brian.  I just did a quick google for some kind of number.

June 15th, 2011 at 6:02 PM | I didn't (Score:2)
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read what Brian posted, so I do not know if he took this into account, but the "general population" will be much older than college football players, thus having more time to commit crimes.  An accurate comparison would have to be college football players versus college students between the ages of 18 and 25 who are not football players.

June 15th, 2011 at 7:16 PM | I don't have a link to (Score:1)
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I don't have a link to Brian's post (if you really wanted to look you could find it by date) but here's Dr. Saturday's take on the story.

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June 15th, 2011 at 12:56 PM | Not even a quarter? (Score:1)
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He should at the very least have to sit out a quarter or two of the season opener.

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June 15th, 2011 at 1:07 PM | Technically (Score:2)
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... Stonum pled guilty to driving while visibly impaired not DUI. Also, as part of that plea deal, the ticket he received for driving on a suspended license has been scheduled for dismissal as soon as he meets certain conditions. I am not excusing his conduct and believe he should be suspended for games this fall (possibly the entire season), but Floyd has shown a similar disregard for the law three times now (with the third offense, the DUI, being the most serious) and it does seem light for him to see no suspension at all.

June 15th, 2011 at 1:25 PM | Technically (Score:1)
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Is what you say to your wife when you know you're wrong and are just trying to antagonize her because you like pain.

 

 

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June 15th, 2011 at 2:03 PM | Floyd v. Stonum (Score:2)
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Actually, I was trying to respond to the poster who was explaining that the two situations are different because Stonum was arrested four times, including two DUI's, while Floyd has only been arrested three times. That is a pretty technical distinction, so I thought it entirely reasonable to point out that technically he was incorrect on his facts.

Each has three arrests for alcohol related violations, including one DUI. IMO, it's an exercise in splitting hairs for anyone to argue that a DUI followed by a probation violation for failing to show up for a series of related breathalyzer tests and a driving while impaired is significantly worse than two minor in possession violations followed by a DUI.

June 15th, 2011 at 2:08 PM | Generally MIPs are not even considered arrests. (Score:2)
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In Ann Arbor, they used to give you a ticket, take away your booze, and let you go on your way.  You may not even see a judge. You just sign up for the alcohol awareness class with one of the clerks, pay your fines, and call it a day.

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