1 game for a punch and an handstomp
1 game for a punch and an handstomp
"We do not teach, nor will we ever condone this type of behavior in our football program."
That's a pretty big contrast from Saint Mark of East Lansing's non-response.
Heck, what are you talking about? Saint Mark of EL definitely responded well. Too well, maybe. This is, I believe, from a press conference on 10/18.
"I'm proud of how our team plays. We're just playing the game hard. The lack of composure is frustrating, but we're not coaching that"
Yeah, "non-response" was a poor choice of words. I should have just gone with response.
Talk about dong punching.. Sheesh.
This was exactly my point in a previous thread as to why continuing discussion about Gholston day after day is worthwhile. Its not just Michigan's involvement, its a college football issue. Should schools take proactive measures to ensure that its players do not embarrass the university by borderline criminal activity on the gridiron. (I'm laying it on a bit thick, but you get what I'm saying.) When discussing this issue in the Gholston context it does appear to be sprinkled with a bit of "sore loser" mentality but I don't think that is the case here. Like another poster said, we would be having this discussion if it was a Nebraska player that punched a Wisconsin player, or whatever.
I, for one, would be very upset if a Michigan player conducted himself like Gholston did and Hoke & Co. hesitated for even more than 1 day to suspend that player for at least 1 game. There is no room for that kind of conduct in college football. Also, shame on the refs for not kicking Gholston out of the game.
How could they hand down a punishment without reviewing all the different angles? As MSU is proving, it will take at least a few weeks to glean anything from rather obvious replays.
You raise a good point. I hear that Sparty is waiting for footage shot from one of the fans in attendance that allegedly shows Lewan as the thrower of the punch, not Gholston. But they're having trouble tracking the 4-year-old down . . .
Was Mr Zapruder at the game? There may be something from the grassy knoll.
My bad didn't read one post down.....how embarassing.
The punch came from the grassy knoll. It's obvious, man. Think about it: Castro, the CIA, Hoover, Hoffa...Think about it.
Borderline criminality is only going too far because there wasn't an injury. Had Gholston actually done what he hoped for and broken Denard's neck, there would be a strong push for charges to be filed, and it's not like the evidence isn't there to convict. Not to mention everybody and their mother would get hit with a lawsuit.
If you listen to Pat Capudo or whatever his name is right now, you would be hearing him opening bashing UM fans about being whiners. He even said that the head twist is just the wussification of football. Lost all credibility with that asinine statement
If you just turn your radio dial to 90.9, you can be stimulated and educated, listening to Aaron Copeland (on now) Mozart, Boccherini, Stravinsky and Haydn.
It is your choice, and the rest of your life.
that the neck twist wasn't a big deal put on a helmet and let Gholston practice twisting the helemt on them. Then ask everyone how they feel... if they can still talk.
Yea, obviously this guy is an idiot. If he'd ever played a contact sport, he'd realize that.
When did Pat Caputo have any credibility to begin with?
To be the good guys in a sentence about discipline. I guess it just shows the true colors of MSU.
Seriously....when you're letting Miami be the more disciplined program....
From everything I have heard, Al Golden is a pretty good guy, so it may not be fair to tar him with the brush of old Miami. The comparison is between a coach who does believe in discipline (Golden) and one who talks about it (Dantonio).
In the mathematical analyses of rivalry games, it was amazing to me that although the Michigan - MSU games did not have the most PF penalties, MSU has historically received 80% of the PFs called. That says it all.
Al Golden is almost classy. I will never forgive him for poaching RR recruits during the transition, though perhaps my anger is misplaced.
If players fit your scheme and their school is going through a coaching transition, you should be attempting to poach. I'd expect it out of my coach.
or bright orange (prison gear)?
Out with the old Thug U, in with the new.
For me its the double standard and hypocricy of Mark Dantonio..It reminds me of EXACTLY Jim Tressel..portray yourself as a saint all the while being the most CORRUPT program in the nation...Dantonio learned from the master
The 24 Hour news media does exist, there is no doubting that. What we can say, is that the media is terrible at making comparisons and connecting the dots. All that is done is reporting and after a while it's like, what's the point?
While I think Gholston is cheap this guy is worse. A full swing to your cock? Boot this dude.
that Gholston pretty much could have broken Robinson's neck.
...and Taylor Lewan's arm.
Why am I not surprised that Dantonio was proud of his team's play? It would actually be surprising if he came out and addressed this in a similar fashion that Al Golden has.
compared to that.
But we digress...
Let's all remember that Jonas Mouton also threw a punch.
It was a retailiation, to be sure, for a ND lineman's late hit, in the back, while on the ground. Mouton retaliated, with a quick, cheap-shot punch and ran off. Looks bad. And Rodriguez's defense was half-assed -- RR said that it was; 1) retailiation for a late hit; 2) 'not like the Jonas Mouton we all know and love' and 3) shit happens on the football field.
Rodriguez did not voluntarily suspend Mouton, the Conference did. And the suspension process back then was a little different than now. Back then, Delany just kind of made it all up on the spot. It fucked us up that week insofar as we got notice of a suspension on the Thursday before a game. No time to practice around it.
But actions being what they are, Rodriguez accepted the penalty.
Again, I am not thrilled about the media's current framing of the Gholston story. Because right now, it seems to be just that; "The Gholston Story."
Gholston is getting suspended. He is going down. The only question is when, and for how many games. The media is three steps behind on that one.
The real story worth pressing is what about Marcus Rush, whose brutal personal foul succeeded in the clear intent to try to injure Denard Robinson? To every writer now writing about suspensions and Gholston and MSU and cetera, be sure to call their attention to Marcus Rush. The film on Rush really speaks for itself:
A Gholston suspension is completely inevitable. The delay in taking action we see now is explainable only in terms of trying to game the system to get Gholston into the Wisconsin game.Gholston will be suspended.
The character test for the Big Ten Conference is the Marcus Rush suspension, which really ought to be easy. A recognized personal foul; a brutal and unneccessary play; on a position player in a helpless position (see, e.g., roughing the kicker, roughing the passer, helmet-to-helmet contact on recievers and wrapped up ballcarriers, etc.); and, most of all, a game-ending injury to the victimized player.
SUSPEND MARCUS RUSH AND WILLIAM GHOLSTON NOW.
But the sideline high fives with teammates afterwards means he was sorry.
forced to. It really is surprising how the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. He and Hollis are acting just like Smith and Gee. They are being politicians and saying things that can't be refuted, but also are insanely ignorant statements in light of the obvious and blatantly damming evidence.
I have come to believe that Dantonio is auditioning for the OSU job and trying to prove that his absolute hatred for Michigan will win him the job.
Compare the Rush video and the Worthy video.
They are very similar take downs.
In isolation, the Rush and Worthy fouls, while obviously overly aggressive, would not warrant further attention. (The equivalent of the Roundtree take down.) However, they are part of a pattern where Denard was clearly targeted.
If you watch the plays between the helmet twist (10:04) and the punch, you will see another late dive into Denard (8:47), a forearm to Lewan's face (8:05), and a possible late hit on Devin (6:03). Gholston was not playing well, but was out of control.
You should also notice the ferocity of the MSU defense. Tough to match.
But there exists a serious problem in college football: it is an economically-sound decision to purposefully injure a key opponent player. One player may be suspended for a game, but the action could ensure victory by providing more than a ten point swing in many games. Imagine if someone cheap shotted Robert Griffin III at the end of a play, intending and succeeding at removing him from the game. Baylor would probably lose, and it really doesn't matter who they are playing. Many players have similar importance: Cousins, Worthy, Robinson, Martin, and Lewan to name a few. The NCAA needs to step up punishments for actions that possess the intent to injure and occur after the whistle to the extent that injuring an opponent is not an economically-sound decision.