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Miami Sanctions on the way?

The NCAA is expected to hand down its notice of allegations against Miami this week.  Missouri coach Frank Haith is expected to be hit with with charges of  unethical conduct and a failure to promote an atmosphere of complaince. This could result in a multiple year show cause penalty, similar to the 3 year show cause penalty Bruce Pearl received.  Considering the basketball program was reported to be in much less trouble then the football program is it leads me to believe they are going to get hit hard.

 

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketbal...

 

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January 21st, 2013 at 5:29 PM | That second sentence needs work......... (Score:4 Normal)
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What??????

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January 21st, 2013 at 5:33 PM | it, needs, some, of, these, (Score:1 Normal)
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it, needs, some, of, these, silly, things.

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January 22nd, 2013 at 12:07 AM | (No subject) (Score:3 Funny)
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January 22nd, 2013 at 12:33 PM | Perfect! (Score:1 Trolling)
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That's perfect.  I'm going to use that whenever some grammar snob tells me to use the "without" method.

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January 21st, 2013 at 5:38 PM | I assume he's saying (Score:5 Normal)
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that Frank Haith, who is currently the coach of Missouri but was previously coach of Miami, is expected to be hit with a show-cause as a result of actions he took at Miami.  No idea whether that's a factually true statement or not, but pretty sure that's what the author is saying.

This is all much easier to understand if you know that Frank Haith used to be the coach of Miami.

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January 21st, 2013 at 7:39 PM | Thank you.  It looked like (Score:2 Normal)
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Thank you.  It looked like the post went from Miami football to Missouri basketball without any segue, and I've never heard of Frank Haith so I was hella confused.  This is the first time I've typed the word hella.

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January 21st, 2013 at 10:28 PM | Nice to see hella join the ranks (Score:-1 Trolling)
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of the textually employed. I've never seen it in print eitha. 

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January 21st, 2013 at 7:26 PM | So does the last one. (Score:0 Trolling)
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So does the last one.

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January 21st, 2013 at 6:09 PM | Is this one of those (Score:3 Normal)
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Is this one of those have-to-click-the-link-so-you-understand-wtf-the-OP-is-talking-about threads?

EDIT: Posted prior to the multiple edits by the OP.  

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January 21st, 2013 at 5:36 PM | Nice to see after a year and (Score:2 Normal)
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Nice to see after a year and a half investigation the findings starting to trickle out.  Should only be about 6 more months before the University responds.  And an additional year until the sanctions come down.

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January 21st, 2013 at 5:44 PM | have you seen how the NCAA (Score:2 Normal)
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have you seen how the NCAA works? nobody is getting hit hard.

Vice.com

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January 21st, 2013 at 5:51 PM | But... (Score:5 Normal)
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January 21st, 2013 at 6:16 PM | but that is in way shape or (Score:1)
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but that is in way shape or form what is going on here is it?

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January 21st, 2013 at 8:52 PM | NCAA (Score:2 Normal)
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The NCAA said that starting in August, the sanctions they would give schools would be much more severe, they would hold coaches responsible for assistant coaches actions, and that they would be a more consistant. Also they expect to increase the committee on infractions from 10 to 24 members so there isn't a huge delay in time before schools get sanctions. I can't find the article from ESPN but it is getting better

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January 22nd, 2013 at 12:33 AM | which maybe explains why (Score:2)
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which maybe explains why they're talking basketball now. they'll get around to the more serious football stuff in August.

i can dream, right?

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January 21st, 2013 at 5:54 PM | Interesting Approach Here... (Score:3 Normal)
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If they do charge Frank Haith with unethical conduct, I would also think that the Show Cause Order is a likelihood and then his time at Missouri may very well come to an abrupt end. I can't think of a school that has found it economical to keep a coach with such an order over their heads employed, but I could be missing someone. 

One thing that sort of strikes me as interesting is that the focus of the investigation seems to be a little more on the people named in the investigation into Nevin Shapiro's exploits rather than Miami necessarily, at least it part. If the NCAA does go after Haith and his assistants specifically at least on a few points, that probably makes Miami think it will get a pass on a few allegations, though they definitely will get hit with something all the same. 

There was this write-up as well - (LINK) - that supplements some of what Jeff Goodman is talking about. 

It will  be interesting to read this release when it is published, to be sure. 

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January 21st, 2013 at 6:18 PM | If they go after individuals (Score:2)
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If they go after individuals that could very well hit  Al Golden as well.  

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January 21st, 2013 at 7:25 PM | No, Al just got there and had (Score:0 Overrated)
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No, Al just got there and had nothing to do with these allegations.

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January 21st, 2013 at 9:06 PM | Golden was indeed involved in (Score:4 Normal)
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Golden was indeed involved in these allegations.  He kept using one on Shapiros guys, Sean Allen, to illegally contact recruits including Teddy Bridgewater.  Allen admitted this to the NCAA.

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January 21st, 2013 at 5:58 PM | "Miami sanctions on the way" (Score:5 Normal)
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reminds me a lot of all the times I've seen the headline "Fidel Castro reportedly near death"

"You know, for a bartender/bookie, you're pretty judgmental."

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January 21st, 2013 at 6:46 PM | Ot: are our sanctions (Score:-1 Overrated)
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Done from the RR era? If not what do they still entail?

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January 21st, 2013 at 6:49 PM | Ot: are our sanctions (Score:-1 Overrated)
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Done from the RR era? If not what do they still ental

Not sure why it double posted... Clicked save once.

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January 21st, 2013 at 7:30 PM | Ah, remember those years in the (Score:2 Normal)
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80s and 90s when Miami was a merciless bunch of renegades with NFL talent at every position?

The Cotton Bowl against TA&M with ridiculous fights, celebrations and personal fouls - yet they crushed the Aggies.

They are a hollow shell of a once dominant program. So long, Canes.

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January 22nd, 2013 at 10:48 AM | UT (Score:2)
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That game was against UT, not aTm. I believe that was the game where Randall Hill ran all the way up the Cotton Bowl ramp after scoring.

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January 21st, 2013 at 7:36 PM | Pardon my ignorance (Score:1)
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Can anyone bring me up to speed on the Missouri issue? I must have been asleep during this period of time...

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January 21st, 2013 at 7:40 PM | Just kidding (Score:2 Normal)
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I'm an idiot. Move along.

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January 21st, 2013 at 7:51 PM | isnt this the tail on the dog (Score:3 Normal)
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Haith and the basketball team are such a small part of this -- the Yahoo article was all about the football program.  That basketball players were even involved with Shapiro is, like, such a tiny piece of this.

I'm surprised there's nothing on the Big Enchilada - with spice sauce - the sanctions coming for the football coaches (Shannon?  Coker?  etc.) and the FB program in general.  The U's president, Shalala, ought to be sanctioned too.  And if PSU is sort of the high-water mark for "Worst Offense Ever," where as Tatgate is a low-level one, these sanctions have to be somewhere in between? 

One other irony.  In two weeks, perhaps the most famous graduate of "Thug U" plays his last game, before waltzing into the HOF in 5 years to universal praise (including from moi).  I am sure he was pre-Shapiro.  But it's just weird, the best player Thug U ever produced has his career ending just as Miami (YTM) is getting whacked for the long-term product of being Thug U and spawning guys like Shapiro.

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January 21st, 2013 at 10:13 PM | I'm curious (Score:1)
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What in the world are you talking about? For one, paying cab fare for a kid on an unofficial visit is low-level, Tatgate was way beyond a tiny offense. A coach and the administration knowingly covered up violations numerous times. Miami will be punished. Don't worry. Who cares how long it takes the NCAA to investigate, as long as they just don't let Miami say "nothing to see here" like they did with Ohio.

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January 21st, 2013 at 8:33 PM | It's kind of embarrassing (Score:2 Normal)
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It's kind of embarrassing that its taken this long for the NCAA to get around to this.

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January 21st, 2013 at 8:58 PM | Show Cause (Score:2 Normal)
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If Missouri head coach does get a show cause penalty while employeed at Missouri, what happens then? Is he still the coach at their school?

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January 21st, 2013 at 9:07 PM | I would think they would have (Score:2)
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I would think they would have to fire him if he receives a show cause penalty.

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January 21st, 2013 at 9:07 PM | I would think they would have (Score:1 Redundant)
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I would think they would have to fire him if he receives a show cause penalty.

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January 21st, 2013 at 9:11 PM | Perhaps Mike Anderson would (Score:2)
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Perhaps Mike Anderson would go back to Missouri from Arkansas seeing things have not well for him there so far.

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January 21st, 2013 at 9:17 PM | This edit was my favorite. (Score:0 Trolling)
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This edit was my favorite.

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January 21st, 2013 at 9:12 PM | . (Score:0 Redundant)
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January 21st, 2013 at 9:13 PM | I think they would have to (Score:2)
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I think they would have to fire him if he receives a show cause penalty.

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January 21st, 2013 at 9:09 PM | double post (Score:0 Flamebait)
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double post

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January 21st, 2013 at 9:13 PM | Question.. (Score:3 Normal)
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Do you think they should fire him if he receives a show clause?

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January 21st, 2013 at 10:13 PM | Yep...just a double (Score:0 Overrated)
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Yep...just a double

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January 21st, 2013 at 10:22 PM | And yet, for all of these (Score:2)
bronxblue
Joined: 11/22/2008
MGoPoints: 12591

And yet, for all of these shenanigans, Miami will probably still be able to recruit reasonably well and other schools in the south, many with equally-shady connections, will continue to act with apparent impunity.  

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January 21st, 2013 at 11:43 PM | Former Miami assistant coach (Score:1 Redundant)
ghost
Joined: 09/02/2011
MGoPoints: 697

Former Miami assistant coach Clint Hurtt (current Louisville defensive line coach) is also expected to be hit with a long list of allegations.  Interviews with student athletes have also unearthed additional violations other than those reported by Shapiro.

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January 22nd, 2013 at 12:03 AM | Wondering... (Score:1 Normal)
Kevbo714
Joined: 11/24/2012
MGoPoints: 45

Does Miami have more control over releasing the findings as they are a private institution?

Behind enemy lines, but I come unarmed...

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