Peppers at 10, which seems low.
Miami Dolphins to part ways with Jake Long?
Go to the Bears. They NEED you. I need you. Someone hold me... Lovie?
This besides the hold me Lovie part.
If the Bears can't pick up Long (which I'd give anything to see), my #2 option would be to see them trade up in the draft so they can pick up Lewan (assuming he goes Pro). Either way, it'd be great to see them pick up either of these two stellar UM products.
If the Bears draft anything other than OL in this draft a torch and pitchfork mob should head to Halas Hall.
Exactly, that was the first thing I thought of when I read this post. Jake will be heavily sought after, but this is where the Bears need to take a gamble like they did with Peppers. Understand that the back-end of the deal may need to less money since his production may decrease, but give hime some guaranteed bucks on the front-end to ensure he will come.
If anyone needs Oline help its the Cowboys. Broken ribs, and straight shots at the QB (No I will not say his name). Doug Free is by far the worst OL. Long would be able to protect the QB way better and Jerry needs to open the check book and get this damn underachieving team back be being significant. Besides, there isnt a Wolverine on the Cowboys squad now, hence the constant losing.
Isnt Long injured?
He has a torn tricep. Last year, he was done for the year with a torn bicep. And his production this year was hampered by the recovery (assuming) so his numbers weren't as stellar as he was used to producing. Thus it appears to the Dolphins he's in a "decline" at 27. Considering he's gone one year remaining, it may be best to trade him. While I don't know if it's the right move, they may want to try to trade him to get a 1st round pick for him.
The only reason I can think of is the fact that he has a contract under the old structure and they want to get a cheaper player.
Their loss for sure, Jake Long is going to become a prize free agent now, bring him back home Mayhew! (A man can dream right...)
Dream, but j think our cap situation is one of the worst in the league. Suh, stafford, megaton all drafted under old system. Calvin was restructured, but it didn't help much.
If Mayhew can restructure that mess of big contracts into something cap manageable then he deserves a 5 year extension. yeesh...
Jets Offensive line is horrible. You are more than welcome to the circus i call the New Jork Yets.
There's a joke in here somewhere I just can't find it.
With the new NFL rookie salary cap in place you can get say Taylor Lewan for a mere fraction of what you have to pay Jake Long. Lewan is also younger and has a longer career where Long has done time on the IR in the past two years.
Secondly, the new Miami coach is more of a zone blocking guy and Long doesn't fit that as well. They actually already appear to have Long's replacement on the roster in terms of a zone blocking tackle. Not bringing Long back frees up cap space for other moves.
Jake Long would play at an all pro level in whatever scheme you run. The Texas A&M kid and Lewan aren't great zone blocking tackles either. Martin from Stanford who they drafted last year is suited for that scheme, because Stanford ran a lot of that. In their defense, you could probably sign 3-4 quality players for the money they'd save from Long.
I thought Lewan was pretty good when we ran zone...
when Long was at Michigan, or am I completely wrong?
Yes, we did.
I would love if the lions picked him up. Cost would be too much unfortunately. And they're gonna need to boost the defense via trades after they waste their picks on WRs to replace young and Broyles.
He will be ready to go for the 2013 season.
But cutting an All Pro at one of the most positions in football is bad bad football management. He'll be a Reggie White type of free agent, that's how good he is.
Pretty sure long has 1 year on his contract I beleave. Miami will be able to trade him. Prolly getting a 1st rounder in the process
Which would match a 5 year signing in 2008. I don't think you'll get a 1st round pick for former 1st round picks in this day and age.
He'll get paid, but he is nor Reggie White type free agent. Not even close.
He is not getting cut...his contract is up.
I would say he would look great in Honolulu Blue. But I think the contract requirements and what Miami would get in trade would be a bit to much $$$
Why does everyone want any kind of talent go to the lions only to be mishandled and to deal with the worst moral that there possibly could be. I get that some of you are die hard lions and for that I respect a lot but that dickhead owner is the same person that fucked Sanders out into retirement.
But the lions have one of the worst salary cap positions in all of football...if jake wanted to play for free, maybe the lions could get him.
and they can free up cap space in restructuring Stafford's deal in the extension they will sign him to this offseason.
But in having said that they still won't have enough to sign Long.
Good for Jake. Go somewhere where you can win something.
Teams with the most cap space:
1. Jaguars $25 mil
2. Titans $19 mil
3. Browns $17 mil
4. Bengals $16 mil
5. Eagles $15 mil
23. Lions $3.7 mil
the colts will have almost $50 million in cap space after season and as a season ticket holder its been all over blogs about colts going after him to help out their line
Great first post! Welcome to the madness.
Browns have Joe Thomas at LT, so you can scratch them off the list.
*insert choice cuss word here*
I'm a former Phins fan and a longtime Jake Long fan. It was such a delight when they drafted him 1st overall.
Long used to be the best LT in football two seasons ago. But that's not the case now, because of his injuries. Not only did he miss time, but even when he did tough it out(which is definitely commendable), the performance suffered. That's reason one.
He was either the highest-paid or second-highest-paid OL since he was drafted under the old rookie salary rules. He hit some incentives and that pushed his salary even higher. It will not be easy to take a paycut, and taking a dramatic paycut while playing for the same team is damn near unheard of. Especially when your agent can get a lot more elsewhere. Reason number two.
Just as Michigan is transitioning from RichRod's spread to Hoke's manball, Miami is transitioning the opposite way. Sparano's run-heavy offense(Wildcat included) needed elite run-blocking linemen like Long. Philbin, the new coach, brought in the zone blocking scheme. Now Long can excel in both schemes, don't get me wrong. But whereas in a iso-blocking scheme nobody could come close to Long because of his individual talent, in the zone blocking scheme you can get away with relatively less talented OL and still somewhat get the job done. In short, you can get away with an LT half the price of Long but the product would suffer only a bit. Reason three.
The Phins already have a replacement. They drafted Jonathan Martin last year, and he's a natural LT who played at that position all his life. He only moved to RT because Long was there. It would be easy to flip him to LT and find a cheaper RT. Reason four.
With Long becoming increasingly injury prone and his contract expiring this season, Jeff Ireland and the front office made a lot of noise about an extension for the past two years but nothing ever materialized. And as I mentioned above, they went out and drafted Martin last year. When a local columnist suggested the possiblity that they might be planning to depart ways with Long, they(Ireland and co.) reacted with venom, angrily denying it and denigrating the columnist in the process. Which is, what they don't really do. Ireland is famous for asking inappropriate questions and being standoffish, not reacting to the media. IMO the front office was planning this all along. Reason five.
Philbin's background with the Packers gives a lot of credence to this take. He coordinated a Super Bowl winning team and a consistent playoff qualifier who never had elite offensive linemen, even at the tackle positions, and who viewed the run game as a change of pace rather than a core element of the offense. If Philbin's going off his Packer experience, he may believe that average linemen who can simply slow down the pass rush are good enough to win consistently, and that money can be better spent elsewhere.
Come to the Colts and protect Andrew Luck's blindside!! Castanzo can move over!
one doesn't simply leave jake long
Being a Giants fan, I would love for them to make a run at him.
but Stephen Ross is a terrible owner (awesome Real Estate and donor, though!).
Fins have a lot of cap room, something like 45 million. They are expected to use the franchise tag on Sean Smith.
but for God's sake, don't come to the Lions. I'd rather see him retire than suffer that ignominious fate.
Lions are a mess when it comes to cap space. They also need a ton of help at LB, CB and DE so I doubt they spend much money on FA o-lineman. I guess this is what happens when you suck for so long... keep picking in the Top 5 and under the old system you have to give huge contracts to guys like Stafford, Calvin and Suh.
Hate that I agree with you.
And I hate that we have to see this comment and it's obligatory 5 likes every time we have a thread like this.
First off, it's a nonsensical comment... PLEASE ALL PRO LEFT TACKLE THAT COULD INSTANTLY MAKE THE LIONS OFFENSE MORE CONSISTENT AND THUS THE BEST IN THE NFL ON A REGULAR BASIS, DON'T SUFFER THE HORRIBLE FATE OF BEING PAID MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO COME BACK TO YOUR HOME STATE AND PLAY PRO FOOTBALL!
Secondly, we have to put up with all the people who cheer for other teams going COME TO MY TEAM PLZ and then if we do the same thing, people say nonononononononononono.
Also, frankly, I feel like this kind of comment comes from the "I only cheer for specific players who went to Michigan" crowd, who all suck ass.
I hope you dont get marked as flaimbait don, you are supposed to want everyone go to the lions.
I don't give a damn about flamebait negging, but IMHO no true UM fan should ever want a Michigan player to come play for the Fords, or for any other incompetently-run franchise.
Put it this way: what would the careers of Tom Brady or Charles Woodson have been if they had spent their careers with the Lions? It's horrible to contemplate.
what the hell does that even mean? It's not the like the Fords are horrible in the abstract, they hire people who are poor talent evaluators and stick with them for far too long. If the Lions had Woodson and Brady, it would suggest that team was in competent hands and therefore there's no reason to suspect they'd have the reputation they do.
This "the Lions as being a sub-NFL franchise" logic is basically an invention of the Millen years. People can go back over the previous 35 years of Ford rule and all the terrible decisions that were made and all that but the reality is the Lions were always just a mediocre NFL team like the Browns or Cardinals until Millen.
I coached with Jake's brother john, and Jake has said in the past that he wouldnt want the turmoil that goes on there.
Long would be a perfect fit for the packers. He would bring stability to a very bad offensive line. Aaron Rodgers with a good offensive line is a scary thought.
There's no way the Packers invest the kind of money that it would take to get Long when they need to resign Matthews and Raji, with Rodgers on the horizon. They clearly believe, as I previously stated, that there o-line just has to be good enough. They think Newhouse meets this standard, and they have Derrick Sherrod coming back from injury next year.
Yes an offensive line that gave up 51 sacks shouldn't try spend money to improve.... riggghhht...
They can't invest in free agency. They need to lock up their young guys like Matthews. Getting Long would give them issues in retaining players on offense and defense.
So you think the Packers, a team that never signs big money free agents*, is going to shell out the $10 million per year that it's going to take to sign Long, who's missed significant time the past few seasons? And they're going to do this when they're looking at resigning two of their young, vital defensive players and their franchise QB? Okay.
The Packers will likely do what they always do, draft a developmental tackle, or a guy that falls in the first round, and hope he becomes an adequate player.
*The Packers only real free agent signings that remain on the team are 1. Woodson, who no other team wanted; and 2. Ryan Pickett, who was a relatively affordable signing.
after the first six posts or so? Please tell me this isn't some joke I missed...
You're not alone - I see it too. Not sure if I like it or not yet. Makes me feel fancy though. The font makes me feel like I should use special olde timey words like poppycock.
I feel so fancy.
It's not personal, it's just business. Go to where the money is.
Lewan could be drafted to replace Long if he were to leave.
also one who has Sunday Ticket, so I watch every Dolphin game..
Jake Long was not even a good left tackle this year. He was mediocre at best. His pass blocking--usually his calling card was very inconsistent, and he was beaten badly a number of times this year.
He has been injury prone and inconsistent over the past 2 years. Some team will give him a lot of money, but I don't think it will be Miami...and this is from a team that will have about $47 million in cap space.
As a Dolphins fan, perhaps I can shed some light. Yes, Long most likely will not be back next year, for a couple reasons. Number one MONEY. He was in the last group of highly paid rookies before the new collective bargaining agreement. He came into the NFL as the highest paid offensive lineman in the league before ever playing a down. Because of this, it is not realistic to franchise him, as his cap number would be north of 15 million. He also has not played up to his normal dominant self the last two seasons, as injuries, and change to a zone blocking scheme have cause him to struggle at times. He is looking for a large payday in the area of the 90ish million Joe Thomas got, but his play has not warrented it for the reasons mentioned above. Miami would love to have him back, but not at that price tag. It all but sealed his fate that when he went on IR a month ago (for the 2nd straight year) Jonathan Martin excelled at left tackle, and was a second round pick himself. We are sitting on between 40-50 million in salary cap space, and 5 of the top 100 picks in the draft. WR, CB, and TE are vastly bigger needs at this point, and to resign him would take away a large chunk of that financial flexibility. Sad, first they took Henne away from me, and now this.
It's not like Henne was lighting it up with the Dolphins. I wanted him to stay but it was starting to look bad at times.
I don't trust GM Jeff Irland.
I know, I know. He seemed to look timid alot of the time. He would have a reciever streaking downfield, and would freeze up. I think Sporano beat the "dont turn the ball over" drum a few too many times.
But the Lions wont even offer him, knowing them