GBW is reporting that the coaching staff offered MI DB Raymon Taylor today. Raymon's loved Michigan for a while but is just now receiving his offer. Committed to Indiana for a long time, he decommitted after Lynch was fired.
Scout: 3*, #48 CB
Rivals: 4*, #27 ATH
ESPN: 3*, #89 ATH, 77
Film:
MOAR DBs
Some of them will need to
Some of them will need to bulk up to play NT
No need, GERG is planning to
No need, GERG is planning to run a 0-0-11. It's never been tried before, but it has to work!
I know from experience dude. If you know what I mean.
well
if he's a legit 4.43 40, i take him for sure. the current commits will have to compete and someone may end up transferring down the road.
Can Raymon play FS? If so he
Can Raymon play FS? If so he would be another nice addition to this class
Sam Webb was talking about
Sam Webb was talking about how he was a VERY physical corner, and could easily play FS at the next level
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judging by
what he did to Arnett on the first play of his highlight video, ya, I'd say he's physical.
GO BLUE!!
Another
DB! We need to get after some OL and DL prospects IMO. Congrats to the kid though.
GMW
Well, I guess you can't have
Well, I guess you can't have too many DB's.
For Pete's Sake
If we're gonna hate on Dave Brandon, can we at least limit it to threads that relate to Brandon and not just bring it up for kicks and giggles? This fanbase is absurd sometimes
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we need more LBs and DTs
I don't think we need another DB, unless it's Wayne Lyons.
Dude
Did you watch our DBs this year?
"Ohio is like a giant turd that Michigan just can't pinch off"
Dude, they were freshmen
How is Taylor going to change inexperience?
"The Ruhr will not be subjected to a single bomb. If an enemy bomber reaches the Ruhr, my name is not Hermann Göring: you can call me Urban Meyer!"
They won't add experience but
They won't add experience but will add to the depth. And after seeing what all has happened with Michigan defensive backs in recruiting, injuries, and other things I'll gladly take as many as we can get.
And ignore other positions of
And ignore other positions of need?
No one is ignoring other positions
We have three linebackers (Kinard, Morgan, Jones) committed already and are going after another hard in Frost. As far as young guys go, Robinson, Furman and Hawthorne are more likely to see the field as linebackers going forward than they are in the secondary. Signing Taylor is not going to prevent us from signing a DT either.
Our overall numbers are still low at DB (we'll have at most 4 guys in the junior/senior class next year assuming both Williams and Woolfolk come back from injuries). As such, signing five guys this year for a spot where you play 4/5 at a time makes perfect sense.
It is spelled HOKEAMANIA. Our coach is an ass-kicking American citizen, not one of the Beatles, for Christ's sake!
all good points!
Except I am not too high on Kinard, sorry.
Lets hope Frost goes BLUE for Christmas!
Don't forget as well that the
Don't forget as well that the initial thoughts re: defensive back recruiting were that MICH needed 2-3 this year BEFORE Turner and Emilien decided to leave the school. I don't think getting up to 5 DBs is inappropriate, and there are scholarships specifically available for DBs at this point.
Kinard hasn't been offered by
Kinard hasn't been offered by Michigan for the Class of 2011.
Yeah, I have no idea why the
Yeah, I have no idea why the recruiting services keep listing Kinard as a commit since he is not likely to get offered for 2011.
Robinson has been practicing
Robinson has been practicing at FS since after the PSU game, and it sounds like he may have finally found a home.
Agreed...
100% agreed. With what has happened to our DB's lately, I would be more than happy to get a physical athlete like Taylor!
yes, and did you see how young they were
I think our DB depth is far better than our DT/LB depth.
Agree. I'd take 6 based on the failout from past years ... plus
more DTs and LBs
Go Blue !!!
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I've mentioned this before -
I've mentioned this before - I know a HS coach in Michigan who has said many times that if he could have ANY two players in MI he'd take Taylor and Rawls. ANY - that includes Zettel, Thomas, Arnett, all of them.
Don't know about it myself but I'd love to see both Taylor and Rawls in maize and blue. Hope they decide that we're the best choice.
Could be worse. Could have been Kinesiology.
Rawls is a heck of a player.
Rawls is a heck of a player. He is severely undervalued. If Justice Hayes is ranked as high as he is, than Thomas Rawls deserves to be that high and then some if Justice is the standard at his ranking. I wouldn't be surprised at all at the programs that would jump in on Thomas if he ever gets a test score.
my response would be
to then ask that coach if he has seen each one of these men in action live. Plus, I think the Michigan coaches are probably better judges of talent that one high school coach.
GO BLUE!!
I don't know why we even
I don't know why we even bothered offering him given that Dantonio owns in-state recruiting.
Every time an MGoBoard poster complains about a thread topic, God kills a baby panda.
I know that's a joke, but it
I know that's a joke, but it doesn't make sense since MSU isn't recruiting him.
Galileo was also chastised.
He didn't have an MSU or
He didn't have an MSU or Michigan offer before now because he committed to Indiana about 5 minutes after they offered him (I know his Rivals profile says he committed on 12/8/10 but that's wrong. He actually commited over the summer)
To think that neither MSU nor Michigan would be interested in a 4-star DB from their home state before now is silly.
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You can see he's an athlete
You can see he's an athlete - stays with his man, but really closes on the ball fast once its thrown. At least I think that was the ball - pretty fuzzy video.
No disrespect to Taylor, but
No disrespect to Taylor, but how about we offer a goddamn nose tackle or three. If we don't get someone in this class we will have at most 2 players physically capable of playing the position when Martin graduates. Even before you account for the possibility of injuries and attrition that's a recipe for disaster.
Galileo was also chastised.
True NT's are pretty hard to
True NT's are pretty hard to find. Kids walking around in H.S. at 300 lbs are few and far in between, and the only DT's that are uncomitted that they haven't offered, or are worthy of an offer are Mason Fuller and Kevin McReynolds. It is not a terribly deep year for DT's this year, and you can't make them come here just because they have an offer. I am sure the staff would love a DT or too.
You still need bodies
I expect UM to offer a lower rated guy for depth purposes.
"The Ruhr will not be subjected to a single bomb. If an enemy bomber reaches the Ruhr, my name is not Hermann Göring: you can call me Urban Meyer!"
You sniped my edit. The
You sniped my edit. The coaches would love a DT or two!
I guess we will disagree on that. I would not offer just anybody just for a warm body.
You need bodies
You have to have some depth. Since UM rarely recruits JCs', they have to take a chance on a low ranked guy.
"The Ruhr will not be subjected to a single bomb. If an enemy bomber reaches the Ruhr, my name is not Hermann Göring: you can call me Urban Meyer!"
Before blowing a scholarship
Before blowing a scholarship on someone that I thought most likely couldn't compete on this level, I would bring them in as a preferred walk-on. If I were to be pleasantly surprised by the talent level and work ethics of said recruit, I would then extend a scholarship to them.
"Homey don't play dat"
That's generally not an
That's generally not an option. 300-pounders who are even mildly athletic get snapped up by colleges because they're so rare and so necessary. You can't convince a 300-pounder to walk on, because he'll have an offer from somewhere else to play for free.
When you get 300-pounders as walk-ons at a place like Michigan, they're either 6'8" behemoths who aren't very athletic or kids like the 5'6" Dominique Ware (who wasn't 300 lbs. coming out of high school, anyway) who's too short to contribute.
If you want a 300-pounder, you're going to have to shell out a schollie.
ya
that's pretty obvious. it's like asking a 7 footer with limited bball skills to walkon. ain't gonna happen.
I hate to sound spoiled and
I hate to sound spoiled and unrealistic, but the fact that we find ourselves in this position is incredibly frustrating. We could have had Dequinta Jones in 2009, we should have had Jonathon Hankins last year. Instead, we're looking at having two options at maybe the most structurally important position on our defense. Those options are, a recently converted guard and a boom-bust sort who reported in 60 pounds overweight. Either could transfer or get injured. Any recruits brought in next year's class would be true freshmen and almost certainly useless. Michigan's name gets the coaches in a lot of doors and it's not the hardest place to sell. The coaches just have to fucking sell it. I won't break out "UNACCEPTABLE" yet, but going home empty handed in this class is not an option.
Galileo was also chastised.
Maybe the lack of NTs will
Maybe the lack of NTs will necessitate the switch to a 4-man line, which many of us would want anyway
Maybe, but even then we'd
Maybe, but even then we'd still need a DT.
Galileo was also chastised.
3
Q. Washington, Ash, Talbott
But yup, we'd be in a lot better shape right now w/ Hankins. I know you've been on this in the past. No question a DT or two would round out what is shaping up to be a great class
Talbott is 260 pounds. I
Talbott is 260 pounds. I don't think he'll ever get bigger than 285 and that's too small for nose tackle.
Galileo was also chastised.
Patterson is 276 lbs, same height
Sagesse is 289, one inch taller
Both spelled Martin at different times. Probably too early to predict Talbott's max weight, but he's an interior guy
In a 4 man front he's either
In a 4 man front he's either a DT or the SDE, in a 3 man front he's definitely an end. Patterson and Sagesse both played in Martin's place, but neither was big or strong enough to do so capably. Even Martin is small at 300 pounds to anchor a 3 man front. He's successful at that weight because he's very quick and freakishly strong for his size.
Galileo was also chastised.
4 man line then
whoo-hoo!
Never Forget!
We should've learned by now that you can't have too many DBs. Congrats to Raymon. I would recommend the coaches not assemble all of our dbs in one place at the same time, lest lightning strike or a flash flood occur. There's still plenty of room left in this class for DTs, a kicker, etc.
i don't know, man. a lot of
i don't know, man. a lot of the things that happened to our DBs could have happened to any position group, so by that logic, you can't have too many of anything. except that you only get so many scholarships. i always cringe when people get excited for lower-ranked recruits at already covered positions who "build depth." depth in one area often means lack of depth in another (or less than top-level talent).
p.s. i'm not targeting this at raymon at all. i only have congrats for the kid.
I'm officially confused. I
I'm officially confused. I thought that I had a good picture of what our class would look like, but not anymore. I trust the coaches know what they are doing.
Greetings from Bolivia.
"It's special how the real true people hang together. And if you don't support the program you're not a true Michigan guy. It's that simple." - Gary Moeller
At this rate our team will be composed solely of corners and strong safeties.
I know from experience dude. If you know what I mean.