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November 24th, 2012 at 10:50 PM
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Let's get a consensus on one to two thoughtful, yet respectful questions for Heiko to ask Borges this week.  I think we all have the same concept of a question, just some with less F bombs.  I'm assuming these will be asked already, but given a little extra push, we can be sure that we won't have to read another standard press conference.  I have stuck up for Borges this whole time, but I don't see how anyone can trust him anymore after that level of negligence.  While I thought being an Iowa fan would be the worst case scenario, this might be more frustrating since we have significantly more weapons that have proven to be successful.

1) After it was completely established that Denard could not throw, what did you see that made you believe that our 6 blockers, the interior of which has struggled all season, could create any sort of push on 8 guys in the box without any element of play action hesitation?

2) Why did you decide to move away from the Denard and Devin packages?  Denard seemed like a hell of a decoy even when not touching the ball.

 

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November 24th, 2012 at 10:57 PM | I would ask Al (Score:5 Normal)
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if he would consider being Auburn's head coach? Please!

Yes, I'm still pissed.

 

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November 24th, 2012 at 10:58 PM | By the thousandth thread with (Score:0 Offtopic)
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By the thousandth thread with the same subject matter I think Heiko may already have gotten some ideas although I would prefer he ask "why no bubble screens?".

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November 24th, 2012 at 10:58 PM | Haha (Score:5 Normal)
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I was thinking about that.  It's going to be awkward for Heiko.

Is he going to ask the tough questions?

I guess it doesn't matter.  The media is not going to make Borges a better coordinator.

What matters is whether they fire him or not.

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November 24th, 2012 at 11:00 PM | Wait, hold on... (Score:5 Normal)
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Are MGoUsers upset with Borges? Someone should make a thread expressing those feelings!

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November 25th, 2012 at 12:44 AM | If people didn't make... (Score:5 Normal)
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redundant threads, how would members like yourself be able to unload all of their pent up sarcastic assholery?

All right Lemmings. Bring the heat.

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November 25th, 2012 at 1:09 AM | I'm pretty sure all sarcastic (Score:4 Normal)
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I'm pretty sure all sarcastic assholery is expressed the moment it's conceived around here, and not pent up at all.

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November 25th, 2012 at 1:29 AM | But then... (Score:0 Normal)
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we wouldn't have members like yourself replying to pent up sarcastic asshole-ish replies, and that would just take all the fun out of this place.

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November 25th, 2012 at 11:08 AM | Our board thrives on sarcasm..... (Score:2 Normal)
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This much is true..... but sometimes you just need to allow people to vent without taking an easy dig at them.  It's probably just me, but it makes you come off as desperate for attention.

All right Lemmings. Bring the heat.

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November 24th, 2012 at 11:07 PM | Did they run any of the (Score:3 Normal)
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Did they run any of the freeze play? Was OSU just ready for it?

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November 24th, 2012 at 11:09 PM | Not interested in any Scheme questions (Score:5 Normal)
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Quite simply, I would like Heiko to ask

Al, Do you feel like your play calling in the second half is responsible for the offensive failure and do you believe that your play calling lost the game for Michigan?

 

 

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November 24th, 2012 at 11:18 PM | I support this. A question (Score:5 Normal)
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I support this. A question needs to be asked about why Borges called the same failing plays over and over after halftime when he was doing other things successfully in the first half.

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November 24th, 2012 at 11:10 PM | Have you updated your résumé (Score:5 Normal)
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Have you updated your résumé recently, or will you wait until afer the bowl game?

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November 25th, 2012 at 1:12 AM | baha (Score:1)
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I lol'd.

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November 24th, 2012 at 11:12 PM | For Hoke how do u intend on (Score:3 Normal)
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For Hoke how do u intend on installing a more man ball focused line and do u feel it would solve this years issues with inside runs?

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November 24th, 2012 at 11:30 PM | I like this question. In the (Score:3 Insightful)
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I like this question. In the 4 losses, wasn't that same dive play called about 40 times for a total of ZERO yards, with maybe one short yardage conversion out of 25?

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November 25th, 2012 at 12:54 AM | Identity and limited practice time (Score:5 Normal)
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I think a lot of the problem has come from this team trying to mix a Denard-centric scheme with a Borges-centric scheme.  Oregon and Stanford do things very differently and both are successful, but I don't think you can take a little from column A and a little from column B and have sustained success.

While I think there are some oddities in the way we've gone about things even with Devin (Why do we throw so many bombs deep downfield?), next year's line is going to run the power play a zillion times in practice and they are probably never going to run the inverted veer. 

With the benefit of hindsight, we needed to either go all spread-option (as it stands Denard has never really gotten good at his reads and there is little variety to that portion of our offense) or more traditional (sort of what we've seen with Devin) but with Denard being told to scramble on a regular basis.  As it stands the things we do well we don't do enough of to keep defenses honest and there are a ton of things in the playbook that we aren't good at. 

If things suck next year, then getting pissed at Borges makes sense.  At this point it is just a sad missed opportunity. 

It is spelled HOKEAMANIA.  Our coach is an ass-kicking American citizen, not one of the Beatles, for Christ's sake!

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November 25th, 2012 at 3:24 AM | Good stuff right here.  This (Score:2 Normal)
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Good stuff right here.  This is a pretty level-headed outlook.  It really does suck ass though, as this team had/has the playmakers to do quite a few things well.  I think people are right to be mad at the OC, especially after this particular game, but your post is a pretty good summation of what's probably really gone on/why things have happened the way they did.  Again, it just sucks, regardless of the reasoning.

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November 25th, 2012 at 10:46 AM | I agree with your assessment (Score:2 Normal)
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I agree with your assessment generally, but don't OC's have to contend with similar situtations all the time? Isn't it quite often that a new coaching staff walks into a situation where the team is a mismatch with the coaches' offensive philosophy? And don't a lot of teams need to adjust their approach mid-season when a key offensive player gets injured?

Yes, Borges did try to the split the O into two very different looks, but I think he could have given the offense a more spread type of look when Devin was in there, which probably would have been easier to adapt to and actually had some success. As it played out, the only thing the two offenses had in common was the dive play that never worked anyway.

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November 24th, 2012 at 11:12 PM | Al, is your house for sale (Score:5 Normal)
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Al, is your house for sale yet?

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November 24th, 2012 at 11:13 PM | This thread.... (Score:5 Normal)
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There were enough threads and hours of hateful steam blowing....I thought this would be a decent one to actually present Heiko with some serious questions that we'd like to be asked.  In my opinion, there should be some sort of thread or poll like this every week.

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November 24th, 2012 at 11:16 PM | Tell us about the play that (Score:5 Normal)
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Tell us about the play that led to Denard's long run. Did it work so well because OSU was waiting on the veer?

Follow up: Would you consider this a constraint play, and will constraints be a bigger part of this offense in the bowl and next year?

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November 24th, 2012 at 11:35 PM | Questions like these are the (Score:4 Normal)
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Questions like these are the only way you'll get Borges to reveal anything interesting. 

I'd also suggest starting a question with a stated premise such as -- "Coach, given the inability of interior of our offensive line to get push, what was your plan to overcome OSU's strong interior defensive line play?"  Michigan's interior offensive line play does have difficulty getting push ... those are Hoke's own words, if memory serves. 

Borges would then have a choice -- refute the premise, which would be an interesting thing for him to try to do; or accept the premise and thus have to explain why he was trying up-the-middle runs so much.

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November 24th, 2012 at 11:44 PM | What do you think he was trying to do there? (Score:2 Normal)
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Set up the passing, I suppose. Fantasies of a long, time-chewing advance downfield? Sometimes I really did feel that Herman suffered brain farts, and these repeated calls had a little of that quality. . .

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November 25th, 2012 at 12:58 AM | Well yeah. Ace, Heiko and I (Score:5 Normal)
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Well yeah. Ace, Heiko and I spent most of the ride home going over this. Essentially I seriously doubt they're going to pull the plug on him, so the best bet is suggest things in the form of a question.

To ruin the suspense he's gonna get asked some nicely phrased version of "did you overthink things?"

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November 25th, 2012 at 2:34 AM | More of an issue with base package and not constraint. (Score:4 Normal)
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I'm not an expert, but I don't think this is necessarily a correct interpretation of how Chris Brown says the "Theory of Constraints" should be appied to football. (http://smartfootball.com/offense/why-every-team-should-apply-the-constra...)

In general, Brown's real premise is that teams should not focus on adaptive plays that trick a defense but rather build a base package that suits the strength of the offense, has succes, and forces the defense to overplay something. Now, Ohio certainly looked to overplay the run, but it wasn't because we were particularly good at it (We have good players making big plays but not consistent offensive output).

The way I see it is that Al doesn't really have a very well-developed base package of plays that can consistently get us yardage. Therefore, the defense never really overplays anything we do.. We can pretend running (obv. I-form is neither suited for us nor successful and goes against the basic premise of what a "base package" should do) is succesful for us, but in reality, teams aren't overplaying our run, they are just commiting more defenders to it, because our passing game is shit.

If anything, I fault Borges for not really developing any semblance of a base package or series that really suits our players' strengths or has succes in recurrent situations. What did we run all year that managed to gain yards consistently in key situations? If we don't have a successful base, then constraint plays never work, because the defense doesn't fear anything, and thus, it never sets itself to overplay one thing over another.

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November 25th, 2012 at 2:04 AM | I'd ask... (Score:4 Normal)
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I'd ask Al something like, "now that the B1G season is over, what do you think worked best for us as a series of plays or base package on third and short this year versus conference opponents?"

He's not likely to answer that however.

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November 25th, 2012 at 2:02 AM | I realize I'm not Borges and (Score:1)
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I realize I'm not Borges and can't give a real answer, but those plays are something I've been looking at for a while...

That has to be something Borges saw in film study. If you pull two lineman, have no defenders shoot the gap off of the lineman's hip (D lineman lined up opposite them or a LB responsible for the bubble previously occupied by the offensive lineman), and then don't see any extra defenders play side someone on the D is not doing their job. Ohio State came out in the second half and had linebackers flow a LOT faster to pulling lineman, so I would say it was their fault for the easy TD drive to end the half. 

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November 24th, 2012 at 11:17 PM | Al, did your daughter learn (Score:5 Normal)
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Al, did your daughter learn any new words like incompetent?

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November 24th, 2012 at 11:18 PM | Uncle Fester needs to leave. You (Score:-1 Trolling)
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Can help at the fire Borges petition site. Just Google it.

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November 24th, 2012 at 11:22 PM | There's only 38 signatures (Score:3 Normal)
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There's only 38 signatures haha

If I tell you it's Easter, you better start looking for eggs.

Some folks call it a sling blade, I call it a kaiser blade.

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November 24th, 2012 at 11:20 PM | "How much more do you make (Score:5 Normal)
turtleboy
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Joined: 04/22/2011
MGoPoints: 3268

"How much more do you make than Kliff Kingsbury at Texas A&M?"

followed up by "anybody got his phone number?"

"that's why you don't go to Ohio State, Lawrence"

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November 24th, 2012 at 11:23 PM | Borges makes 650,000 a year (Score:2)
Rockycapp
Joined: 09/06/2010
MGoPoints: 70

And he gets a 50,000 a year raise for the next two years.....Jeep a drinking friends

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November 24th, 2012 at 11:30 PM | Last I checked Kliff was only (Score:2 Normal)
turtleboy
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Joined: 04/22/2011
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Last I checked Kliff was only at around $400k, so Al gets a little under twice as much for way less than half the production.

"that's why you don't go to Ohio State, Lawrence"

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November 24th, 2012 at 11:35 PM | Just that easy huh? (Score:3 Normal)
death by wolverine
Joined: 09/24/2009
MGoPoints: 503

Just that easy huh?

"im saying to myself should i do it should i not. I crossed the goaline and hey...fuck it" Desmond Howard on his Heisman pose

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November 25th, 2012 at 1:38 AM | Sure, why not? Who wouldn't (Score:3 Normal)
turtleboy
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Sure, why not? Who wouldn't like twice as much pay? It's not like we can't afford it either. 

"that's why you don't go to Ohio State, Lawrence"

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November 24th, 2012 at 11:21 PM | "Had Jeremy Gallon not been (Score:1 Normal)
jg2112
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Joined: 11/25/2008
MGoPoints: 5844

"Had Jeremy Gallon not been tripped, Gardner would've thrown a 90 yard TD pass and your offense would've had 28 points, which was 2 points more than Ohio today. 

Why do you suck so bad?"

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November 25th, 2012 at 2:17 AM | We needed more consistency. (Score:1)
neverhadatoothache
Joined: 11/25/2012
MGoPoints: 15

Our offense has playmakers for sure. For me, the issue is consistency in specific situations.

What do we go to on a regular basis that can get us the yards we need on 2nd and 8, 3rd and 6? An offense should know what they can do on 3rd and 3 to get the yards. Something they can call that has worked, should work, and usually will work unless the defense makes a play. We call things that only works if the defense misplays us.

Our offensive production is akin to playing cricket when you're drunk. If you throw with enough conviction, sooner or later you're going to hit a bullseye and win some games. You just hope everyone ignored the 7 and 2 you hit with your other two darts.

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November 24th, 2012 at 11:21 PM | Heiko (Score:2 Normal)
ontarioblue
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Joined: 06/30/2008
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I am pretty sure doesn't need any help formulating his questions. You may want to assist Al in coming up with viable answers.

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November 24th, 2012 at 11:23 PM | Al.... (Score:2 Normal)
cigol
Joined: 11/21/2010
MGoPoints: 347

Take a page from Frank Ricard in Old School:  "W....what happened? I blacked out."

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November 24th, 2012 at 11:23 PM | Isn't the coordinators press (Score:4 Normal)
lewan_long
Joined: 01/04/2011
MGoPoints: 33

Isn't the coordinators press conference only exist before a game?
I remember after the ND game this year, it was a bye week, and Borges doesn't have a press conference until the Purdue week.
Is this the same in this case, where we might have to wait till bowl season?

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November 24th, 2012 at 11:25 PM | Running game (Score:5 Normal)
YoOoBoMoLloRoHo
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Joined: 11/01/2012
MGoPoints: 1010

After 12 games the running game is entirely Denard. Is the lack of running back productivity a result of scheme, play calling or talent?

I find it unacceptable for Borges to escape a grilling with only 14 yards on 10 carries from Smith & Rawls. Our short yardage offense was abysmal.

"Everybody wants to be a hero, so to speak.  But it takes everybody."  - Charles Woodson

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November 24th, 2012 at 11:47 PM | You people are funny. (Score:2 Normal)
LB
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Joined: 09/26/2009
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Borges has talked to the media before. Are you going to sit in a room and touch yourself if someone asks an intelligent question? Do you really think Hoke thought the short-yardage offense was good?

May you have a strong foundation
When the winds of changes shift

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November 25th, 2012 at 2:21 AM | Shouldn't he be? (Score:4 Normal)
neverhadatoothache
Joined: 11/25/2012
MGoPoints: 15

Shouldn't he be? Shouldn't Denard be the whole running game? He is/was our best running back? It bothers me that the one year RichRod runs Denard into the ground, he barely misses playing time. But, the two years we try to "keep Denard fresh," he gets seriously hurt, and our offense is severely affected by it. Irony.

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November 24th, 2012 at 11:29 PM | You saw (Score:5 Normal)
mgoblueaustin
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Joined: 08/25/2009
MGoPoints: 376

You saw something that Ohio was doing schematically which casued you to deviate from the gameplan which worked so well in the first half.  What was that?

 

Also, please explain what deficiency in Ohio's defense you were trying to exploit when running from the I-form package.

You sound like you're from London

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November 25th, 2012 at 2:23 AM | Would have liked... (Score:4 Normal)
neverhadatoothache
Joined: 11/25/2012
MGoPoints: 15

I would have liked us to run the diamond/inverted wishbone QB sweep a few more times to try and get the edge or find a crease there.

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November 24th, 2012 at 11:33 PM | Who do you think you are? Do (Score:2 Normal)
Stuart
Joined: 11/02/2010
MGoPoints: 33

Who do you think you are?

Do you flip a coin or roll dice to determine the next play you are going to run?

 

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November 24th, 2012 at 11:39 PM | Why (Score:4 Normal)
FreeTheFabFivePlz
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Joined: 03/08/2011
MGoPoints: 1084

Did you not want to win?

So hot.  Milk was a bad choice.

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November 24th, 2012 at 11:42 PM | MGowtfdude (Score:5 Normal)
cps2010
Joined: 08/08/2009
MGoPoints: 3750
  1. Do you think it's the coordinator's job to put the players in the best position to be successful?
  2. If so, why did you run iso with a struggling interior OL and a 5'5" tailback in short yardage?
  3. If you didn't run Denard on the last series of the game (with six minutes left) b/c it was a passing situation, why did you run him with 1:30 left in the first half and three time outs?
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November 24th, 2012 at 11:55 PM | How do you think Ohio's (Score:5 Normal)
NFG
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Joined: 04/24/2012
MGoPoints: 2252

How do you think Ohio's halftime adjustment of " tackling the guy with the ball" affected your play calling?

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November 25th, 2012 at 12:00 AM | Gold Pants (Score:2 Normal)
SmackJack
Joined: 07/18/2012
MGoPoints: 257

Will you be receiving a pair of gold pants as well?



What do you think will win film of the year? Lincoln, Life of Pi, or The Hobbit?

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