Mgoprediction thread: SI article
I hope that everything that the supposed insider on our board had suggested is true (drug dealing, ted ginn sr. allegations, girls paid for sex etc.)
MGoBoard: where fans can publicly hope that college girls were paid for sex.
Scaffolding permit violations.
^this...along with cucumber water and knicks tickets as bribes
On top of everything, they weren't counting stretching time correctly.
Ted Ginn Sr. is a guarantee (I have heard this from multiple sources so I am starting to believe it now), and "friends" of the program (hooking up athletes with what they need or where to get it) - this probably explains the girls paid for sex.
Drug dealing would have been hard to hide if it was tacitly approved by the coaches. That seems just brazen - even for Tressel. Then again....
Dirty Dirt coming out....
Pay for play
Ginn Sr. pay offs
Girls paid to sleep with players
If you're right and it can be proved, I say Rico their asses. Paying girls is a criminal enterprise. But, I'd hope the NCAA goes Roman on them---plow Columbus under and salt the earth.
That's true. Also, throw in the alleged drug trafficking and it's even more serious.
School sanctioned drug and prostitution rings are a over the top. Could a couple of players sold weed (or even worse) on the side over the past decade? Sure. Could some football groupies (every school has them) have been pushed towards recruits? Definitely. That said, there's no way the school sponsored it.
If that stuff happened, it's time for OSU to deemphasize sports permanently, but I think that's some Michigan fan's wet dream.
I'm not saying it did happen, but if SI has information linking Tressel to boosters who were hooking athletes up with drugs and girls (which seems plausable given his history and the rumor mill) that's serious business.
I'll believe it when I see it.
Interesting thing happened today. I realized I'm at least moderately normal-- don't want the drug/sex thing to be true. The net positive for Michigan is too outweighed by how awful it would be if true.
I agree, but on the other hand you have Smith acknowledging that there is probably more coming, and you have media types saying that this story is about as bad as it gets.
At this point all I want is for them to be ineligible for the first BTCG, but otherwise qualify and have us qualify on the other side. Add in Dunn and a couple years of USC level scholarship reductions and I'm more than happy. Especially since I think they're not getting a big time coach in 2012. Fickell will probably stay on for the sanctions.
Just kidding, but they will get hammered, the question is how close to the death penalty will they get if all the allegations I've heard on the board here are true.
Likely enough information to cause buckeye fans to poop in their coolers.
Dohrmann doesn't play around. When you can cite working on the Michael Vick dogfighting case as your favorite work and that's not the piece that gets you the Pulitzer Prize (ie. Minnesota grades scandal), that tells me it's going to be throrough and hard to refute. I'm sure that there are enough bitter players, professors and other people from the last ten years to rain hellfire on Columbus.
Beat me to the punch.
A timely one-two combination. Well played.
kudos for getting it posted so quickly
There was a movie a few years ago called "Miracle Mile" that dealt with how civilization would react in those hours between finding out that the nukes had been fired and there hitting the ground. It isn't pretty to say the least.
I live in Cleveland. Sports talk radio is absolutely lighting up right now as they try and speculate as to what's coming. What's even funnier is to listen to them try and come up with excuses for evertthing that "might" be released before it happens. And every about 5th caller or so gives the "well I knew something wasn't right" revisionist history rant and gets absolutely hammered by everybody else.
They are starting to turn on each other now. Just like they do in the movie.
This is beyond wonderful.
Remember the original Clarett accusations? Golden handshakes, "hostesses" from the local strip clubs, cars, "tutors" to save them the hassle of mundane things like going to class and taking tests?
Multiply that by ten years. Tressel wouldn't have resigned just before the article if a pattern of wrongdoing hadn't been discovered. Even now, former OSU players are treating this as though he had been a paragon of integrity for all of those years who made one bad decision and got fired for it.
Tressel knows the Scarlet Wall of Denial has been torn down, and the pieces implicate him in what could be one of the biggest scandals in NCAA history.
Claiming tressel had to fly home from vacation regarding the information about the upcoming article. He is also saying this must be BAD.
Buckeye fans "Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue."
NCAA must come down hard. I know Tress resigned and it might lighten what the sanctions will be. Please include a bowl ban. USC lost schollies too. Ouch. Just imagine if that happens to them. HALOL. SMH
But its going to be bad enough where the inevitable will be obvious. I would think the true bomb would be published in hard copy a la their OMG ALL ATHLETES ARE CRIMINALS exposé
What are the odds and/or the violations needed for a death penalty to be given to TSIO?
Approximately zero. SMU's violations were way worse before they got caught. Then they didn't stop. Then they got caught again and got the death penalty. It's not close.
The death penalty requires them to already be on probation for grievous offenses. There's no chance they get it now (IIRC their previous probation ran out years ago), but if they get caught doing this again a few years from now, then the death penalty is an option.
After the utter destruction that SMU went through, I doubt that the NCAA will ever use the DP again.
Edit: Beat me to it. =)
I don't understand why people keep saying that you have to have previous major violations to get the death penalty. It's simply not true. The last two programs to get the death penalty (Morehouse soccer and MacMurray tennis) had absolutely no history of previous violations. At least in the case of Morehouse soccer, the death penalty was imposed because there was "a lack of institutional control".
It seems to me that OSU lacks institutional control, but I guess that's for the NCAA to decide.
From the NCAA's website:
"The ‘death penalty’ is a phrase used by media to describe the most serious NCAA penalties possible. It is not a formal NCAA term. It applies only to repeat violators and can include eliminating the involved sport for at least one year, the elimination of athletics aid in that sport for two years and the school relinquishing its Association voting privileges for a four-year period. A school is a repeat violator if a second major violation occurs within five years of the start date of the penalty from the first case. The cases do not have to be in the same sport."
They can impose without prior sanctions, but it's really unlikely that it happens at all. Heck, in Morehouse's case, the school didn't even know it had a varsity soccer team!
the Department of Homeland Security will be moving the threat level up to SEVERE!
Influence peddling on the Columbus Zoning Board Of Appeals.
According to my urban policy professor, this happened at Illinois in the 1970's. So I guess it could happen.
It will be revealed that JT had a love child with Bea Arthur, won a midget tossing contest in 1989, and compulsively rips off mattress tags.
Oh, and he hates America...
The NCAA cannot possibly investigate all of these allegations adequately in time for an August 12 hearing, so either OSU admits most of it and agrees to very harsh penalties (at least as harsh as USC's) or the August hearing is pushed back significantly and OSU does not have any resolution of the situation until well after 2012 signing day.
I think they'll wait a while or just deal with those specific violations and move everything else to a later date. There isn't even time for OSU to get a notice of infractions from the COI.
I'll support any actions that drags the uncertainty on for a long time.
we will think about memorabilia.
The story is obviously big enough to have the OSU higherups call in Tressel from his vacation and force him to resign or get fired.
Anyone else refreshing SI.com every 3 minutes?
I personally feel like it is the day before christmas and there are a bunch of large presents left under the tree. What will Santa SI writer bring me this year?????
Prediction: Tressel was having sex parties at his house.
Is whether or not the University's implicated. If it's all Tress, all the time in this article, well, that problem is solved and TSIO gets nothing in terms of punishment.
I don't think that would be the case. Tressel was running a program, and if he did it in a dirty way (which we know, but now we're talking even dirtier) the program is going to get gently placed back in the stone age. And by gently I mean bombed.
I disagree a little. If its all Tressel then yes most of the blame will lie on him and he will ride off into retirement glory to be a talking head on CBS or something. But regardless he was an employee of the university and I don't think they will escape all sanctions. At the least they will probably be on probation and vacate some specified games, lose scholly's, bowl ban and face a fine.