well that's just, like, your opinion, man
With all this talk about increasing revenues from the Big Ten Network, I think people are forgetting the changing world we live in. What happens if, in say four years, Google TV or a web-based television platform gets launched successfully? In my opinion, the television sales format is entirely outdated and could easily be reworked by a new provider. Why pay... $60 a month for 250 channels, when in reality, you watch 25? Why not just pay $1 (or more to ESPN, less to Science Channel, etc) to get exactly what you want for $25? Boom, there goes the entire Big Ten Network because only households with sports loving men, generally aged 16-65 are going to subscribe.
I'm no expect, but it just seems very shortsighted to put all out eggs in one basket and take these crap athletic schools in the hopes of some immediate payoff.
Yes, I live in DC, this improves my quality of life.
NO. Nor Rutgers.
No. Final answer.
And I know you didn't ask, but I don't want Rutgers or GT either
Yes...I don't think it is a perfect fit now, but down the road (10+), when the National demographics change, this addition IMO can set up the conferance for long term survival as one of the 2 predominant conferences. DC will always be an important media market.
Plus, there Lacrosse program can be a flagship, along with our program of course, of a new B1G LAcrosse conference.
I can see I am in the minority
Their women's soccer team is really great too guys!!!1!!!one!!!11!!!!
Yes, it is. I wish ours was at their level. What's your point?
(That's a rhetorical question. We all know your point.)
NO No nO
The other thread, while not a formal poll, seemed pretty clear to me as far as what people want.
Not just no, but hell no.
They devalue the conference
However, I don't mind md but if it is a package with rutgers...then absolutely no.
Nothing against Maryland, but I don't want any more teams in the Big Ten.
But, I am naive to that program's history and what they offer the big ten. I am most interested in the academic side of Maryland, particularly the biology and sciences departments. Anyone have details to edify me?
Math, physics and comp sci are strong. Physics used to be excellent. John Wheeler and Charles Misner both taught there--only Illinois had a comparable department in the B1G (unless you count Chicago).
No. Nothing against Maryland, but this does not make sense.
No, no more teams no matter who they are
Who wants to see the B1G patch clash with their uniforms ...
Yes, just to piss off the "get off my lawn" crowd.
Oddly enough, I am currently wearing my IPFW t-shirt, and the answer is still hell no.
Why on earth do you have an IPFW T-shirt?
So the answer is NO.
I wouldn't mind Georgia Tech though.
Add Georgia tech and Virginia tech! Unrealistic I know but can't I dream?
How confident are you that "expansion merry-go-round stopped"?
Seems to me, like there could be a bit of pressure for conferences to go to 14 and then to 16.
No. Not as bad as Rutgers would be, though.
Absolutely in the long run this will be a great decision
If it involves divisional realignment, yes.
If it does not, no.
I mean... that isn't an argument for Maryland itself. That is an argument to bring in some other team to force divisional realignment. Bringing in Towson would:
-Increase the geographic footprint to Maryland
-Bring in TV viewers from Maryland
-Get the Big Ten Network in Maryland houses
-Force divisional realignment
-TOWSON BEAT LSU (through one half) THIS YEAR!
My vote is for Towson.
Yes. I like what Maryland brings to the table.
FERGODSAKES No! A middle of the road ACC program. ACC! Gah
L-O-L. The ACC in its entirety is middle of the road. Saying Maryland is a middle of the road ACC team is being.... nice. Name a team we would bring in from the ACC who would be decidely WORSE (in all regards) than Maryland.... ok I concede NC State.
Not unless there are any breweries in Maryland that I've never heard of.
Oh my, no.
Rhis pulls the B1G further away from being a football conference and being just a basketball conference.
Yes, if it leads to destablization of the ACC and brings UNC.
No thank you
DC is a great road trip.
Solid in basketball.
Let the ACC CHERRY PICKING BEGIN!
No, but...Yes if we must move to 16 and Yes if it somehow screws Notre Dames sacred Indepence.
We will get division realignment and gain a big tv market. Also I feel a 4 16 team conference D1 is inevitable at this point.
+ Its inevitable. Id rather play Maryland and Rutgers occasionally than club baby seals. Also, they are both better schools than MSU and Nebraska.
Only if it sticks it to ND
I'm from Maryland - NO.
The B1G is officially dead if this goes through.
... if it meant Delaney would jettison the names "Leaders" and "Legends." On a serious note, Maryland is plus in the MBB column. In CFB, Maryland is like adding iceberg lettuce to a sandwich - makes everything else taste a little better, but not by much. I could take it or leave it.
Yes. MOAR $$$!
I want this nonsense to stop. Hell I don't even want PSU and Nebraska.
I would have liked Pitt and Mizzu IF they have to expend but I don't like any of it.
So once again my answer is NO
Rutgers would be the better option. Not thinking either is necessary though.
This is a pure ratings move to enter the eastern seaboard huge television market.
"move to enter the eastern seaboard huge television market."
If you mean securing the 36 viewers in "Paddy's Crabcakes and Seafood Pub" in Baltimore and the 47 viewers in "DJ's Blue Light Jazz Lounge" in Newark, NJ... you are absolutely correct.
I still remember that one game where Rutgers played on national TV... three years ago... on a Thursday night.
No on Maryland and Rutgers.
only because I live in DC and would be able to attend a Michigan game here.
Non incipete nihil suis!
A thousand times no
No. No? No.
The problem is, Md just isn't a B10 school. Neither is Rutgers. The B10 is a fundamentally Midwestern place. MD and Rutgers are clearly Eatern/Mid-Atlantic places. Not worse. Not better. But not B10.
Seriously....expansion is inevitable. We have mad alums in both D.C. And NY who will sell those crapholes out and both will make good road trips in contrast to threshing through miles of corn to get to Lincoln fucking Nebraska.
Truth is we're not pulling any cornerstone programs of the significant leagues in because the loose teeth have already pretty much been pulled and at least the two programs stay north and east and allow the Big Ten footprint to stay in one block from Minnesota/Nebraska clear through to the Atlantic.
Again, What the Fuck.
In isolation, no, but not by a huge amount.
If conference expansion is inevitable, the question becomes at least slightly more interesting.
One team will go to the legends division and the other to the leaders division.
This is a horrible fit.
Buisness move. Market and lacrosse for the future.
Absolutely not. But if the country is trending toward 14-16 team superconferences and the B1G is forced to expand again, I have a hard time seeing us getting any significantly better schools.
No. They're awful.
Maryland brings in DC area, Rutgers gets us Philly/NYC. This is like RISK, the game isnt always pretty but this is probably a winning strategy. Hurts ACC and ND, closes off the northeast. Leaves the Big12 as the home for the daughters of the poor... whatever that OSU guy says... real though. There is no magic formula to get ND into the Big Ten happily with say North Carolina...
No, I don't see any great benefit from adding Maryland.
Even more strongly opposed to Rutgers.
Yes. If we have to expand I would rather be playing schools to the east like Rutgers & MD than schools to the west, like Kansas, Missouri, etc.
Get off my lawn!
inevitable--yes. Yes to Rutgers, too. I'm a little surprised that people here can't look toward the future and beyond football, to the potential these two schools bring and the expanded footprint. And they're not crazy geographic outliers, as we have seen with other conferences.
But it's true that the B1G, if this comes off, is no longer about the midwest. But hey, we used to play Yale and Harvard, right?
Oh, you're a little surprised that people here can't look toward the future? Maybe you should go hang out with the Big East, they've done the best job "expanding their geographic footprint"... whatever the *&^%$*( that means. Oh wonderful, they're not "geographic outliers". Congratu-fuck-ulations. Neither is Eastern Michigan. Your argument is fuckin' cyclical! You want a bigger geographic footprint, but don't want outliers... but apparently don't give a shit who the Big Tean actually takes? Hmmmm, Western Kentucky would fit that bill, as would Marshall, or hell, Old Dominion is turning D1 soon.
I'm drunk and going to bed. Screw this conference's "leadership". I hope someone throws a shoe at them when they announce this garbage.
Also, judging by your sig, you are a big NY Giants fan, too.
As if the misspelled username, gratuitous profanity, and flaming didn't?
By the way, he's a Kentucky fan.
Traveling out to Byrd Stadium and the Comcast Center for games doesn't sound too enticing. Extra travel for the non-revenue sports also seems like a bad idea, especially for western schools like Iowa and Nebraska.
show me the money
I'm ok with Maryland. Not just for the tv revenue, it also exposes the Big Ten to fertile recruiting grounds of DC.
If we were still looking for a 12th team, I'd be fine with it. I don't have a problem with Maryland so much as with us expanding beyond 12 teams. Schedules are going to be more and more unbalanced and we're hardly ever going to play teams in the other division.
Michigan has a history of playing Eastern teams, including Harvard and Yale back when they were powers in the 20s and 30s. It's one of the things that brought national attention to the University. And it started a wave of students coming to Michigan from places like New York that only made the student body better, more interesting and diverse.
Why shouldn't Michigan and other B1G teams get more Eastern exposure and be able to recruit more easily there?
Why should ND lay claim to being the only "national" program? Why shouldn't Michigan and other B1G teams be able to play and promote their programs in the East?
The idea that teams like Rutgers and Maryland aren't strong programs now is certainly true. But who knows what happens a decade or two out?
Might even be fun.
Sure, adding a school like Oklahoma would be more impressive for football, but unfortunately, they bring OK State and neither school is on Maryland or Rutgers' academic level. There really isn't any football power that would be realistic for B1G membership. So other considerations have to be weighed, assuming that conference expansion is the future.
No, stay at 12.
I don't want anybody else to join the B1G. 12 is more than enough.
Sorry for the length. Long-time lurker here. Two things that I have seen missing from the debate: Maryland's place in the ACC and the compressed geography of the East Coast.
UMD is a charter member of the ACC but has no natural rival, in or out of the ACC. West Virginia has Pitt. Virginia has Virginia Tech. UNC has Duke. Maryland basketball has been succesfull enough to create rivalries with UNC and Duke but will always be secondary because of geography.
I think Rutgers, Penn State and Maryland could create a nice triangle rivalry if they are in the same conference. PSU alums are all over the DC area. Tons of UMD students are from NY/New Jersey, and alums from all three schools are all over NYC. There are also quite a few Ohioans at UMD because of the proximity to D.C. So if you start to think of an east division taking shape there are some interesting storylines. Columbus is only about a 6 hour drive from College Park.
I'm a transplanted Midwesterner living in Maryland and I can't overstate how significant the compressed geography is for attending football games. The only time I can usually see UM play is when they visit Happy Valley. I can't wait to go up to Connecticut next year. I'm sure many of the east coast alums from all of the B1G schools feel the same way. People from as far as New York and maybe even Boston will be willing to make the drive to College Park once a year, and anyone from Virignia to Boston will have no problem getting to Rutgers. This will improve football attendance at both schools, and help foster a better tailgating atmosphere.
The Virginia-Maryland-New Jersey-New York region really is becoming a recruiting hotbed and right now it's nobody's backyard. VaTech is a coaching change from irrelevance. UVA is too small and elitist to control any recruiting territory. If Maryland and Rutgers join the B1G either those two schools will build up recruiting territory and become consistently good football teams, or the B1G will have an easy pipeline to tap. Either way, the conference is better off.
That's a good point about the PSU-MD-RU trio. I know PSU has felt like an odd man out (and never got into the Land Grant rivalry) so this would help them a lot. I can definitely see an upside to this. My main problem is just that I don't like having a 14-team conference. I feel that's too many teams.
Very good post. Many will probably disagree with you on the sole principle of not wanting more teams, but again you make some valid points that I think are very real and being discussed at the "higher" levels. We shall see in the coming years what happens with all of this; all speculation right now.
Also a neat point, one many don't probably realize, about Va. Tech being a coaching change from basically being a Virginia or even Duke.
I don't want a 14-team conference where we play Wisconsin and Penn State less in order to play Rutgers and Maryland more.
Also, cable companies pay the rights fees for BTN because their customers want to see UM-OSU football games and MSU-IU basketball games. Nobody's paying to see Maryland-Rutgers matchups. When do we go from bringing the B1G product to new markets to adopting the Big East and ACC product?
no. I just want notre dame.
been a few years ...
but i would judge the talent level among co-eds way above B1G average
The conference will be weaker as a whole and Rutgers will come too and neither provides one lick of football validity that would improve the rep of the B1G. We will move closer to third or fourth in terms of football power if Maryland and Rutgers come. If we could have gotten ND and Missouri I would be more OK with it, except I hate ND. ND would addto the academic excellence of the conference.
Maryland and Rutgers are worthless to add. And a 14-team conference is so hard to schedule in football and basketball. We would have to go to a 9-game conference schedule.
Besides Maryland comes up with the ugliest uniforms ever!
I don't like the idea of adding teams further out of the traditional footprint. I'd sooner court the following (and am fully aware that some of these have commitments such that this short list is not realistic)
Obviously, there are problems with the above list. But Maryland and Rutgers are East Coast schools, and I have zero interest in pursuing them.
No. No more expansion.
No. Horrible fit, pointless addition.
Does anyone other than Delaney really think that network access to a local cable provider will be the model for revenue in the long term. It wasn't a decade ago. It'll probably be obsolete in 20.
Only if we can move to a round robin.
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Some combination of Maryland, Rutgers, Georgia Tech, Duke, North Carolina, Virginia in the B16 and ND to Conference USA? OK.
No, unless Rutgers is added. I assume the B1G wants an even # of teams, but I want MD to get RU.
yes if michigan state gets sent to the mac in exchange.
but seriously NO!
i've always liked pittsburgh. better fit geographically, similar quality academics, nice rival for psu
but i guess the pittsburgh market isn't big enough or east coast enough
could be changing the division names to North & South or East & West
N= UM, Wisc, MSU, NW, Iowa, Rut, Minn
S= OSU, Neb, PSU, Pur, Ind, BD, Ill
E= UM, OSU, PSU, MSU, Rut, Ind, MD
W= Neb, Wisc, NW, Iowa, Pur, Minn, Ill
Again, the name change would be the only good thing
I'd say no to Maryland, but if it does happen I really think UM and OSU need to be in the same division. That would be far better than simply changing the division names.
Hells to the no.
I am greatly opposed to this. Maryland and Rutgers may touch Pennsylvania, but are nowhere in the vicinity of the Big Ten Conference. Additionally, these teams produce pitiful attendance at football games and have lackluster universities in academic reference. Already Michigan only plays teams in the Leaders Division (not Ohio State) only twice every five years. More teams and Michigan will play these teams even less frequently. This is a terrible idea driven by money. I urge everyone to email all of the people listed below and tell them not to allow this. All of these people are regents or presidents for all of the Big Ten schools as well as Rutgers and Maryland.
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No, Not Maryland . Maybe Rutgers and GT. But NOT Maryland, I dont remember them ever being very good. They really don't bring anything to help the Big 10
Yes. I think. I could see them turning a bit into a mini Oregon if they had the correct coach (not Rocking Randy Edsall).
The only way in which they're comparable to Oregon is in terms of Uniformz!!
Bo was right when he stepped down as AD after Penn St. joined in the Big Ten. Seriously, the presidents suck. $$$ > Tradition
Maryland is a glorified commuter school.
degrees obtained at UM Flint and UM Dearborn just say The University of Michigan. Have you ever visited those storied campuses?
No thanks. They add nothing in terms of prestige, and I've read reports from multiple people saying that their basic cable packages in that area already give them the BTN. So, what'd be the point? We already don't get to play Wisconsin or PSU as much as I'd like... I'd rather not dilute the schedule any further with tepid teams.
Try this (easy, free):
Why does the Big Ten need to expand? Can someone explain this to me? Why are we a more important conference with two more mediocre at best programs? How will this benefit Michigan or Michigan fans? Isn't the conference positioned just fine in terms of money and the imminent playoff system as is? What the fuck is this shit?
Expansion in general: no, I think we're fine with what we have.
Maryland specifically: could be worse, we could be adding Rutgers.
You can't escape the B1G, Evan "The ACC is definitely a different style of game than the Big Ten, which is something I'm looking forward to" Smotrycz.
*cackles with glee*
Absolutely not. This seems like a move that's based on nothing but naked greed. Rutgers would be a less horrible addition than Maryland but still quite bad.
I am kind of excited to see what happens to the Big East after Rutgers and UConn leave. It'll be entertaining to watch the scrambling.
No, this is horrible and demeaning. I am very unhappy about this potential move.
Yes, I love the potential of what Maryland brings to the table, lesser sports included LAX, Soccer, Baseball, etc. (and maybe even hockey)
No. No. Did I mention no?
Yes. I want to drive 30 minutes to watch Michigan football and MBB games. Would also learn how to watch lacrosse while Maryland curbstomps us for the next 5 years while we build up our MLAX program.
don't want Rutgers either.
B1G doesn't need the middle Atlantic.
experience a beatdown in the Big House to remind him of the 30 other games he could have starred in the maize & blue.
My therapist recommends expression of anger. I feel much better.
This is ridiculous.