MGoBlog Civil War
From where I stand in the east, I can clearly see that there is a storm brewing on the horizon of MGoBlog. The quarterback situation has been a non-issue in September, because, like all issues, nothing really matters when you're winning. BUT all too dangerously, last night could very well become the start of something that threatens the solidarity and unity of the mighty MGoBlog community.
I fear that in the weeks and perhaps years to come, each of us will be forced to take up arms and make a choice for what, or in this case whom, you believe in:
TATE or DENARD.
HOLLYWOOD or SHOELACE.
5 or 16.
Forcier or Robinson.
So ask yourself... are you a Fiver, or are you a Sixteener??
Let the bloodshed commence.
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wait what is this about?
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How about whoever is playing the best at the moment?
When you wish upon a star...
Because the main dispute people are having is whether you should still play the person that's supposedly playing best at the moment if they aren't necessarily the best for that situation. Many people (self included) think that in a situation that calls for passing and managing the game clock, Tate on a bad day is still a better option than Denard.
I don't understand why this is so hard for people to accept. Denard put them back in the game and was playing well, Tate was obviously struggling the whole game so it made sense to put in D-Rob for that final drive. Everyone seems to think that somehow Tate would of suddenly been on a fire and gone 5-5 on the drive and lead us to a win. RR made the decision and Denard made a bad read, it's not the end of the world they're making progress and I'm excited for what's next.
When you wish upon a star...
I see your point but Denard put them back in the game by running and it wasn't reasonable to do that with 1:30 left in the game. I actually think that with how Tate was playing earlier (in particular the poor decisions he was making), Denard should have gone in a drive or two before he did--but with very little time left, you've got to go with the guy who can pass. Tate also has a little history of going from meh mid-game to amazing at the end of the game, so he might even get the nod for that reason.
I think Denard has great potential and when that passing threat has developed (which I believe it can), he will be a monster of a quarterback, but Tate is the only QB who currently threatens teams both in the air and on the ground and he should be playing the majority of the time for that reason.
If Denard would have made the right read on that play, or even ran with the ball, we would have picked up a first down and gotten out of bounds pretty easily. He would need ~20 yards in 40 seconds. That's definitely reasonable.
That said, I agree that DRob should have been in earlier. The spark came too late. Actually, I agree, or can see what you're saying, with much else that you said. I just think the "not enough time" meme is incorrect.
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could easily be applied in a different way to Tate if he had the chance to go in IMO. The time issue is relevant, because in that situation passes were called for--they were not (necessarily) in Denard's first drive. And when passes are called for, play your best passer. Look, I get the other side, and its legit POV, but when you're in a game winning drive situation, the odds are with you when you play the only QB you have that has proved he can win the game in the air.
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I see yours (and others POV) as well. I just think there are a couple using the time crux as a reason he shouldn't have been playing in the first place. I think that's not the right argument.
I agree that the "if he makes the read" was proven that he didn't, but I don't think that means Tate automatically goes either. I think everyone on the "Tate should have been in" wagon agrees with that as well.
I'm neutral on the decision. I don't think it was "OMG WORST COACHING DECISION EVER," but I understand it and respect it. I think it helps that I expected Forcier to be worse than what DRob was on that drive. Lowered expectations and all that.
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I don't pretend to know what would have happened, I think it was wrong and yelled it at the TV as Denard was running onto the field that it was wrong and that Denard would throw an INT (not glossing myself, just a fact) but I don't discount that there was a possibility of success either. My beef is with those on both sides that say it was either "stupid and childish" or, as M friend of mine texted me, "the only decision possible"
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Well how the hell did you get the beans above the frank!?
Threet is that you?
(5+16)/2 = Ten-point-fiver.
In other words, whichever of the two gives us the best chance at 7 given the moment.
"Whatever games are played with us, we must play no games with ourselves..."
I will say a Fiver but I get really excited when I see One Six come in
Cool story bro, you should tell it more often...
Matt Gutierrez
Whoever is better at handing the ball off to Minor.
If that's the case, not Tyler Ecker. The guy couldn't hand off to Steve Breaston when it counted; I don't trust him to hand off to Minor. /flashbacks-to-alamo-bowl
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FAIL
Ecker?
I don't even KNOW her!
His attempt at humor was a FAIL.
Forcier is the only real chance we have this season. Robinson is only going to be a "third down and holy shit" until he learns the schemes.
Or he can lead us on a touchdown drive against a top ten team to give the team a chance.
GODDAMNIT, get your facts off this thread. The internet is no place for facts, just e-pinions.
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Iowa is not a top ten team!
Question 1: How many more touchdowns does Forcier have than Robinson?
Question 2: I forget, was it Forcier or Robinson that led the Wolverines on last minute drives against Notre Dame, Indiana, and Little Brother?
1- Forcier has 9 more TD passes.
2- It was Forcier
Question 1: Who played like crap and looked rattle for the first time this season?
Question 2: Who just led us on a touchdown drive, on the road, against a top 12 team, in a hostile environment to get the team in a position to win?
1-Forcier(the freshmen who was bound to look like one eventually)
2-Forcier and Robinson! Actually I take that back. Forcier was under center leading them on 2 touchdown drives, Robinson on one.
Question 1: Do you actually believe Robinson was going to throw his way 83 yards in just over a minute with his past incompletion/interception record? Well if you did, you don't now.
Question 2: Was last nights game the first Michigan game you've seen all season?
We didn't need 83 yards. People keep forgetting this. We only needed a field goal to win the game. Not only did we have less distance to cover, it's also easier to drive over the middle of the field (when your receivers have lots of room to run) than it is to punch it in on the goal line. If Denard had just thrown it to Odoms, we would have been very close to FG range already.
True.
Okay, 63 yards-ish. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, team effort. Right? Still, I prefer Forcier's arm over Robinson's footwork. Of course none of this matters until we get some consistency.
Yes because I had more confidence in him to do it at that moment than Forcier.
No, I have watched all 6 games this year.
Dude why are you being a dick about it? Forcier was making mistakes. The ball almost got picked off twice in the series before he was benched, and this was because of his poor decision making. His head was not there. There is a reason why Rich Rod is a head football coach making millions of dollars and you aren't.
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I miss the days of Antonio Bass' status and haloscan.
damn
I had a throw back to the haloscan days with a binary thread earlier. Brian deleted it.
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that makes me a sad panda
Warning: A =) is a sarcastic or joke filled post. (Its pretty much the happiest smiley out there, I have been told) Despite being a ND fan I do have a sense of humor
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And I'll take both these QBs for the next three and a half seasons.
Everyone is forgetting about Furrha. That dude's... well... I have no idea.
Jack Kennedy is on the roster as well.
"Whatever games are played with us, we must play no games with ourselves..."
Jack lived in my hall last year. He's such a nice guy. I wanna see him get some playing time at some point in a blowout. I talked with him a while ago and he said he's behind Coner because of seniority obviously. Hopefully in a couple years.
16 was bettr than 5, therefore 16 should be in the game. Still crying about that decision, WHY!!!!????!!!!111!/??!
Edit -- the pass, not the fact that Denard was in.
Kittens help make the pain go away.
this is an online message board....
Besides, we don't have to choose just one do we?
sarcasm
damn
I read the thread topic and didn't read the OP, so I figured it was more of the excessive complaining about the loss.
Yeah, you wouldn't call it a civil war if you were actually in the civil war. That is horrible, it's like saying you like Nazi Germany more than the Buckeyes. It's just ... uncivilized. right Brodie?
Oh-oh oh-oh oh-oh Here comes the ban hammer.
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Denard will not be the starting QB bar injury to Forcier.
He might split some time, especially when he picks up the offense and learns how to throw to U-M, but until then will not and should not. I love D-Rob but he's just not it. I'm dying to see him THROW for a TD (next week!?!?!?!) this year.
The ForciEra has begun.
I'll take the moderate stance. Or the Switzerland stance. Either way I'm taking the stance that I'm not taking a stance.
Then we'll get the 3rd faction - the Gardners
I'm reading this thread thinking of my smart-ass "Devin Garnder should start, uh-oh I'm a year early!" post only to find you beat me to it.
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Zoltan Mesko. 53.8 yds per punt average last night.
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