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MGoBlog Civil War

From where I stand in the east, I can clearly see that there is a storm brewing on the horizon of MGoBlog. The quarterback situation has been a non-issue in September, because, like all issues, nothing really matters when you're winning. BUT all too dangerously, last night could very well become the start of something that threatens the solidarity and unity of the mighty MGoBlog community.

I fear that in the weeks and perhaps years to come, each of us will be forced to take up arms and make a choice for what, or in this case whom, you believe in:

TATE or DENARD.
HOLLYWOOD or SHOELACE.
5 or 16.
Forcier or Robinson.

So ask yourself... are you a Fiver, or are you a Sixteener??

Let the bloodshed commence.

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October 11th, 2009 at 4:44 PM | Coner... (Score:1)
ihartbraylon
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wait what is this about?

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October 11th, 2009 at 4:46 PM | How about whoever is playing (Score:1)
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How about whoever is playing the best at the moment?

When you wish upon a star...

October 11th, 2009 at 5:09 PM | Because the main dispute (Score:1)
kmd
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Because the main dispute people are having is whether you should still play the person that's supposedly playing best at the moment if they aren't necessarily the best for that situation. Many people (self included) think that in a situation that calls for passing and managing the game clock, Tate on a bad day is still a better option than Denard.

October 11th, 2009 at 5:55 PM | I don't understand why this (Score:1)
DisneyWorldGoBlue
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I don't understand why this is so hard for people to accept. Denard put them back in the game and was playing well, Tate was obviously struggling the whole game so it made sense to put in D-Rob for that final drive. Everyone seems to think that somehow Tate would of suddenly been on a fire and gone 5-5 on the drive and lead us to a win. RR made the decision and Denard made a bad read, it's not the end of the world they're making progress and I'm excited for what's next.

When you wish upon a star...

October 11th, 2009 at 7:02 PM | I see your point but Denard (Score:1)
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I see your point but Denard put them back in the game by running and it wasn't reasonable to do that with 1:30 left in the game. I actually think that with how Tate was playing earlier (in particular the poor decisions he was making), Denard should have gone in a drive or two before he did--but with very little time left, you've got to go with the guy who can pass. Tate also has a little history of going from meh mid-game to amazing at the end of the game, so he might even get the nod for that reason.

I think Denard has great potential and when that passing threat has developed (which I believe it can), he will be a monster of a quarterback, but Tate is the only QB who currently threatens teams both in the air and on the ground and he should be playing the majority of the time for that reason.

October 11th, 2009 at 7:21 PM | it wasn't reasonable to do (Score:1)
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it wasn't reasonable to do that with 1:30 left in the game.

If Denard would have made the right read on that play, or even ran with the ball, we would have picked up a first down and gotten out of bounds pretty easily. He would need ~20 yards in 40 seconds. That's definitely reasonable.

That said, I agree that DRob should have been in earlier. The spark came too late. Actually, I agree, or can see what you're saying, with much else that you said. I just think the "not enough time" meme is incorrect.

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October 11th, 2009 at 7:47 PM | The Denard "ifs" in your statement (Score:1)
wolverine1987
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could easily be applied in a different way to Tate if he had the chance to go in IMO. The time issue is relevant, because in that situation passes were called for--they were not (necessarily) in Denard's first drive. And when passes are called for, play your best passer. Look, I get the other side, and its legit POV, but when you're in a game winning drive situation, the odds are with you when you play the only QB you have that has proved he can win the game in the air.

"Everyone gets dumped Gabe. Let me give you some advice: a little coverup on your Adams Apple will make it appear smaller. Which will make you appear less like a transvestite." 

October 11th, 2009 at 8:13 PM | I see yours (and others POV) (Score:1)
formerlyanonymous
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I see yours (and others POV) as well. I just think there are a couple using the time crux as a reason he shouldn't have been playing in the first place. I think that's not the right argument.

I agree that the "if he makes the read" was proven that he didn't, but I don't think that means Tate automatically goes either. I think everyone on the "Tate should have been in" wagon agrees with that as well.

I'm neutral on the decision. I don't think it was "OMG WORST COACHING DECISION EVER," but I understand it and respect it. I think it helps that I expected Forcier to be worse than what DRob was on that drive. Lowered expectations and all that.

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October 11th, 2009 at 9:14 PM | Common ground. (Score:1)
wolverine1987
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I don't pretend to know what would have happened, I think it was wrong and yelled it at the TV as Denard was running onto the field that it was wrong and that Denard would throw an INT (not glossing myself, just a fact) but I don't discount that there was a possibility of success either. My beef is with those on both sides that say it was either "stupid and childish" or, as M friend of mine texted me, "the only decision possible"

"Everyone gets dumped Gabe. Let me give you some advice: a little coverup on your Adams Apple will make it appear smaller. Which will make you appear less like a transvestite." 

October 11th, 2009 at 4:47 PM | 8 (Score:1)
Hard Gay
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8

Brady...Hoooooooke!

October 11th, 2009 at 4:56 PM | 8? (Score:1)
Bobby Boucher
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Threet is that you?

October 11th, 2009 at 4:49 PM | (5+16)/2 = (Score:1)
Incremental Obt...
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(5+16)/2 = Ten-point-fiver.

In other words, whichever of the two gives us the best chance at 7 given the moment.

"Whatever games are played with us, we must play no games with ourselves..."

October 11th, 2009 at 4:49 PM | I will say a Fiver but I get (Score:1)
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I will say a Fiver but I get really excited when I see One Six come in

October 11th, 2009 at 4:54 PM | Matt Gutierrez (Score:1)
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Matt Gutierrez

October 11th, 2009 at 4:59 PM | Whoever is better at handing (Score:1)
Pay the Dragon
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Whoever is better at handing the ball off to Minor.

October 11th, 2009 at 5:53 PM | If that's the case, not Tyler (Score:1)
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If that's the case, not Tyler Ecker. The guy couldn't hand off to Steve Breaston when it counted; I don't trust him to hand off to Minor. /flashbacks-to-alamo-bowl

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October 11th, 2009 at 6:13 PM | Ecker? (Score:1)
MichMike86
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FAIL

October 11th, 2009 at 7:49 PM | Ecker? I don't even KNOW her! (Score:1)
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Ecker?

I don't even KNOW her!

October 11th, 2009 at 11:18 PM | Actually I do! (Score:1)
MichMike86
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His attempt at humor was a FAIL.

October 11th, 2009 at 5:01 PM | Really? (Score:1)
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Forcier is the only real chance we have this season. Robinson is only going to be a "third down and holy shit" until he learns the schemes.

October 11th, 2009 at 5:02 PM | Or he can lead us on a (Score:1)
cpt20
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Or he can lead us on a touchdown drive against a top ten team to give the team a chance.

October 11th, 2009 at 5:09 PM | GODDAMNIT, get your facts off (Score:1)
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GODDAMNIT, get your facts off this thread. The internet is no place for facts, just e-pinions.

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October 11th, 2009 at 5:28 PM | "top ten team" (Score:1)
Bobby Boucher
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Iowa is not a top ten team!

Question 1: How many more touchdowns does Forcier have than Robinson?
Question 2: I forget, was it Forcier or Robinson that led the Wolverines on last minute drives against Notre Dame, Indiana, and Little Brother?

October 11th, 2009 at 5:36 PM | 1- Forcier has 9 more TD (Score:1)
cpt20
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1- Forcier has 9 more TD passes.
2- It was Forcier

Question 1: Who played like crap and looked rattle for the first time this season?

Question 2: Who just led us on a touchdown drive, on the road, against a top 12 team, in a hostile environment to get the team in a position to win?

October 11th, 2009 at 6:00 PM | Here's your answer Sir (Score:1)
Bobby Boucher
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1-Forcier(the freshmen who was bound to look like one eventually)
2-Forcier and Robinson! Actually I take that back. Forcier was under center leading them on 2 touchdown drives, Robinson on one.

Question 1: Do you actually believe Robinson was going to throw his way 83 yards in just over a minute with his past incompletion/interception record? Well if you did, you don't now.

Question 2: Was last nights game the first Michigan game you've seen all season?

October 11th, 2009 at 6:10 PM | We didn't need 83 yards. (Score:1)
jmblue
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We didn't need 83 yards. People keep forgetting this. We only needed a field goal to win the game. Not only did we have less distance to cover, it's also easier to drive over the middle of the field (when your receivers have lots of room to run) than it is to punch it in on the goal line. If Denard had just thrown it to Odoms, we would have been very close to FG range already.

October 11th, 2009 at 6:25 PM | True. Okay, 63 yards-ish. (Score:1)
Bobby Boucher
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True.

Okay, 63 yards-ish. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, team effort. Right? Still, I prefer Forcier's arm over Robinson's footwork. Of course none of this matters until we get some consistency.

October 11th, 2009 at 6:38 PM | Yes because I had more (Score:1)
cpt20
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Yes because I had more confidence in him to do it at that moment than Forcier.

No, I have watched all 6 games this year.

October 11th, 2009 at 6:45 PM | Dude why are you being a dick (Score:1)
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Dude why are you being a dick about it? Forcier was making mistakes. The ball almost got picked off twice in the series before he was benched, and this was because of his poor decision making. His head was not there. There is a reason why Rich Rod is a head football coach making millions of dollars and you aren't.

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October 12th, 2009 at 10:33 AM | Please (Score:1)
MichMike86
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tell me more

October 11th, 2009 at 5:02 PM | Antonio Bass. (Score:1)
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Antonio Bass.

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October 11th, 2009 at 5:04 PM | haloscan (Score:1)
stuckinohio
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I miss the days of Antonio Bass' status and haloscan.

damn

October 11th, 2009 at 5:05 PM | I had a throw back to the (Score:1)
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I had a throw back to the haloscan days with a binary thread earlier. Brian deleted it.

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October 11th, 2009 at 5:08 PM | that makes me a sad panda (Score:1)
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that makes me a sad panda

Current Smug rating: "lethal"

October 11th, 2009 at 5:10 PM | 01000111 01101111 01101111 (Score:1)
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01000111 01101111 01101111 01100100 00100000 01110100 01101000 01101001 01101110 01100111 00100000 01001001 00100000 01110011 01110100 01101001 01101100 01101100 00100000 01101011 01101110 01101111 01110111 00100000 01100010 01101001 01101110 01100001 01110010 01111001

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October 11th, 2009 at 5:02 PM | Finally a funny post (Score:1)
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And I'll take both these QBs for the next three and a half seasons.

October 11th, 2009 at 5:04 PM | Everyone is forgetting about (Score:1)
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Everyone is forgetting about Furrha. That dude's... well... I have no idea.

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October 11th, 2009 at 5:08 PM | Ask not what MGoBlue can do for you... (Score:1)
Incremental Obt...
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Jack Kennedy is on the roster as well.

"Whatever games are played with us, we must play no games with ourselves..."

October 11th, 2009 at 8:20 PM | Jack lived in my hall last (Score:1)
e.go.blue
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Jack lived in my hall last year. He's such a nice guy. I wanna see him get some playing time at some point in a blowout. I talked with him a while ago and he said he's behind Coner because of seniority obviously. Hopefully in a couple years.

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October 11th, 2009 at 5:40 PM | 16 was bettr than 5, (Score:1)
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16 was bettr than 5, therefore 16 should be in the game. Still crying about that decision, WHY!!!!????!!!!111!/??!

Edit -- the pass, not the fact that Denard was in.

Maize n Brew

October 11th, 2009 at 5:20 PM | Civil war? (Score:1)
MaizeNBlue
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this is an online message board....

Besides, we don't have to choose just one do we?

October 11th, 2009 at 5:27 PM | sarcasm my man (Score:1)
stuckinohio
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sarcasm

damn

October 11th, 2009 at 6:43 PM | My bad (Score:1)
MaizeNBlue
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I read the thread topic and didn't read the OP, so I figured it was more of the excessive complaining about the loss.

October 11th, 2009 at 6:00 PM | Yeah, you wouldn't call it a (Score:1)
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Yeah, you wouldn't call it a civil war if you were actually in the civil war. That is horrible, it's like saying you like Nazi Germany more than the Buckeyes. It's just ... uncivilized. right Brodie?

Oh-oh oh-oh oh-oh Here comes the ban hammer.

October 11th, 2009 at 11:48 PM | Trouble letting things go? (Score:1)
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Trouble letting things go?

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October 11th, 2009 at 5:26 PM | Denard will not be the (Score:1)
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Denard will not be the starting QB bar injury to Forcier.

He might split some time, especially when he picks up the offense and learns how to throw to U-M, but until then will not and should not. I love D-Rob but he's just not it. I'm dying to see him THROW for a TD (next week!?!?!?!) this year.

October 11th, 2009 at 5:31 PM | I'll take the moderate (Score:1)
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I'll take the moderate stance. Or the Switzerland stance. Either way I'm taking the stance that I'm not taking a stance.

October 11th, 2009 at 5:49 PM | Then we'll get the 3rd (Score:1)
wildbackdunesman
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Then we'll get the 3rd faction - the Gardners

October 11th, 2009 at 8:33 PM | Dammit! (Score:1)
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I'm reading this thread thinking of my smart-ass "Devin Garnder should start, uh-oh I'm a year early!" post only to find you beat me to it.

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October 11th, 2009 at 5:57 PM | #41 (Score:1)
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Zoltan Mesko. 53.8 yds per punt average last night.

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