And also, it was in the context of OSU flat out slamming the football down Michigan's throat.
And also, it was in the context of OSU flat out slamming the football down Michigan's throat.
If you're going to put that out there to counter such a hyper specific argument, though, you should probably make it clear. Because like yeah, but we also put up 450 yards passing to Ohio State's 100-something. This game was essentially a text book display of both offensive styles working perfectly... if it looks like you're complaining about how our offense performed, it feeds the perception that you can never be satisfied with this style in any capacity.
I'm not saying Michigan's offense didn't perform well. It obviously did.
I'm saying that OSU did what the opponents of spread offenses (what beleaguered few there are) - including the current staff - said a team couldn't do, and they won in the process.
I would like a quote from a member of the current staff stating that you cannot gain over 300 yards rushing with a spread offense.
I'm not going to track down the quotes because the forum is messing up on chrome for me for some reason and you have google, but there were two main opinions that were completely blown out of the water Saturday (if not completely refuted earlier):
1) Two part idea: A) The pro-style makes an offense more physical up front running the ball, B) facing a pro-style offense in practice makes a defense more physical up front, and alternately, facing a spread offense makes it weaker.
2) Spread quarterbacks take too much of a beating when you run them.
None of those things are untrue provided that by physicality you mean having a size advantage on the line.
Also, our offense, that many on here were saying was worse than the 2008 outfit, put up 600 yards and 41 points against their defense. So, the coaches might have a point about the spread not being conducive to having a good defense.
Mind you, that is NOT what I'm saying. But yesterdays game does nothing to disprove that. I'm confused as to why you even added that #2 up there.
Had ever put those numbers up vs. OSU in a losing effort, they'd have made him a red carpet of roses around here....and he'd probably still be the coach.
in plain english, what is Brian upset about? I know he's been down since the PSU game. That's when I decided I didn't want to invest anymore emotion in this team.
People were mean to him on the Internet and it hurt his feelings.
He's sick of ad hominen attacks. If you argue with his ideas that's one thing, but increasingly the criticism of his writing is about him and not what he's saying. Or doesn't address what he's actually saying.
Sorta guessing here, but Brian has seen this team stay stagnant since 2007 at least, and where he endured through RichRod as there seemed to be a real attempt to move this program forward during those years, he doesn't have the same hope now.
As such he has emotionally tuned out the team. Some folks have responded by calling him a fairweather fan who bails on the team when it loses.
A very hollow criticism considering how much he devoted to the RichRod teams.
Is it hollow? Brian could certainly be described as a fairweather hockey fan, given how quickly he bailed on what was Michigan's only bad team in a quarter of a century last season. In darker times, he'd also shut down live blogs of basketball games when he became convinced that they were unwinnable. So I'd say it's fair if not accurate.
Also, during the RR days many who were loyal Michigan fans previously were accused of being fairweather fans for not accepting THE PROCESS. I suppose as long as you accept the spread uber alles line of reasoning, that's different, though.
given how quickly he bailed on what was Michigan's only bad team in a quarter of a century last season.
I htink he bailed in mid-late Jan no? that's more than half the season, and the preverbial STBTCB was the levelling of a captain, to which there was no retailiation or even reaction.
that team mailed it in back in October. not until late Feb did an essential change in captainship and leadership take place and then they started playing better-
I've been on this blog for a couple years now. Got on here daily for updates and to read sports discussions. (just started posting recently) I really enjoyed this site but lately it's almost been unbearable to read. I hope Brian and the mod's do actually start to "clean house" because the trolls and ultra-negative posters are ruining it for everyone.
If Brain wants to run a blog about how horrible canned music is, the evils of alternate jerseys, and why everything is awful every season forever, he's more than welcome to. If you think he's wrong on any of that, as I do on all of it, you should probably just avoid this place. That's the message he's sending.
Michigan played their hearts out, the offense scored 41 points and they lost on a very sound and aggressive decision to go for two. The defense played poorly, but they were up against an explosive offense. Michigan has been bad against OSU this past decade, but that's hardly the result of the current coaching staff. I don't see why everyone is having a goddamn coniption about it. I enjoy this blog and all, but some people need to calm the fuck down and that includes Brian. If you're a any sort of publishing writer, people (often stupid people) are going to talk shit about what you write. That's just life. Like much of life, it isn't fair, but you just have to let it go. I don't mean to sound pious, because it happens to everybody.
First and foremost, Brian, you've been obviously frustrated this year. How would anyone know that any part of that frustration is related to something other than Michigan Football? That's what you have portrayed. (I assume by your commentd above your kitty kat posting has been partially caused by factors other than just the football team).
It would be one thing if this team was not competitive, but as bad as our record is, what some of us realize is that despite a limited depth, and a handful of contributing seniors, this team has been in a position to win every single game this year except for one. (By the way, that is a polite way to say that the former coach you love so much was NEVER competitive against OSU).
Now, it's time to suck it up, and act like a big boy. You cover MICHIGAN football. It is not about your blog. It is about something bigger than your blog. It is about the mass of Michigan Fans out here looking for a place to congregate and discuss OUR team. Not your team. OUR TEAM.
If you want to go off like a pansy, go for it. If you want to nuke posters, go for it. This site is out of hand the last half of the year. With little or no objectivity. It is sad. If you want to start banning people, how about the obnoxious people who simply flame others without any input to the discussion.
I hope you take a vacation. Take some time to reflect. You've done a great thing with this site, and there are a lot of us old timers, from the haloscan days, that would like to continue here with some good discussion. That is what made this site so great -- open, intelligent, sometimes funny discussion about UM.
With all that said: Go Blue! Next year is shaping up to be undefeated year at home. If we can pull off a couple fo close one's on the road, who knows? Longer term, the Hoke recruiting train is on time, and things are looking up. Very up.
There are some posters who should have been nuked awhile ago for dummy accounts, flaming other posters, etc. That would help the level of discussion around here, although I do think the bannings a few weeks ago helped a tiny bit.
I'm a big fan all you do. Admittedly i dont visit TTB as much as i should. Do you get a lot of this too? Hard enough putting all this great content out just to have it mocked by weirdos i imagine. I say all this knowing full well i have lit a few people up who were defending Borges and probably went a bit over board myself.
I tend not to get as much Twitter hate as I have expected at times, but perhaps that's because the people who hate me don't follow me...and I don't have 25,000+ followers like Brian does. I do get quite a bit of hate in my TTB e-mail, and I get a lot of inappropriate comments on TTB. Unlike Brian, however, I have my site set to moderate the comments, so if people post hateful messages, I simply delete them before they see the light of day.
People on the internet say hateful things. It's sad but true. Luckily, I'm able to stay pretty level-headed about it.
I've seen Magnus draw from other posters was when they were hammering him about posting random pics of hotties on TTB.
I am a big fan of those pics, for the record, and I it's not like he posted any tasteless pics (in fact they are all tasty!).
LOL. You must have missed the threads about Logan Tuley-Tillman, David Dawson, and the various threads where people call me all manner of names.
but I remember the hottie pics one better because of personal interest.
Why are people holding up last year as some sort of great success?
Michigan had a TD pass for 75 yards and a TD run of 67 yards. Other than those two plays Michigan managed about 120 yards on the other 9 drives. The other scoring drive included a punt on 4th and 18 that OSU fumbled at their own 25, and that drive still required a roughing the passer on a failed 3rd down to get the touchdown. On the sixth second half drives, Michigan got 68 total yards and 4 TO (one on downs).
It was much like this year's Iowa game, a domination everywhere but the scoreboard.
Considering Michigan was essentially without its best player for the second half (Denard Robinson, in case you were wondering), I don't think 21 points and a lead is that bad.
And yes, I guess if you take away the big plays, Michigan didn't have any big plays. Good point.
They were no more without Denard than they were in the first half or the bowl game against USC. He had four carries for -2 yards in the second half against OSU because Borges didn't have a plan for getting him in the game once OSU adjusted (SHOCK!). Denard was on the field for 19 of the 51 plays Michigan ran that day.
And my point, as you know, is that if you take out the two big first half plays, Michigan had no offense. Those drives went for 3 plays for 83 yards and 2 plays for 75 respectively. The other 9 drives went for 46 plays for 121 yards, or 2.6 YPP. Only Miami (NTM) had fewer first downs and only that horrible Illinois team managed fewer yards against OSU in 2012. The defense did a great job of forcing OSU to settle for 5 FG attempts and forcing a fumble in the red zone, but the offense was worse than UAB, Cal, Purdue, and even that embarrassing MSU offense.
You should go back and look at your write up of the game, Borges' playcalling got a "WTF" and a "Play action BS", lamented how Borges didn't use Denard and Devin as he had against Iowa, called it Devin's worst game, and clamoring for Derrick Green due to the poor performance of the running backs.
What changed between then and now?
In the aftermath of the game, it appeared that Denard was not capable of playing much more (kind of like the same reason that Hoke went for two this year, because Gardner was dinged up). We kind of knew that Denard Robinson was Michigan's only hope last year because of the dearth of offensive talent.
I am not a staunch Al Borges defender, but I also think he deserves some credit for putting up 21 points on Ohio State last year and 41 this year. Those aren't paltry totals. As always, the real truth is probably somewhere between "he's terrible" and "he's pretty good."
Extraordinarily revisionistic view of last year, IMO. Especially considering your treatment of Borges following the game.
I've posted the highlights below. Nearly 10 minutes from the BTN. You'll notice that there are three offensive highlights:
1) Denard breaking a tackle in the backfield, then breaking a tackle 5 yards on, then finishing the run 30 yards down field.
2) 1The 75yd Roundtree TD reception
3) The OMG DENARD run where he gets sandwiched, then sprints to the end zone
4) A thirty yard reception by Gallon
Then there are at least a half-dozen highlights of OSU defenders blowing up plays in the backfield.
Borges didn't manage to call a single sustained drive all game long, there was the aforementioned blown coverage that Roundtree scored on, Denard making one of his signature runs, and then another TD drive where Michigan had a three and out, punted on 4th and 18, OSU fumbled and Michigan recovered on the 25, Michigan then went three and out again and had a roughing the passer call extend their drive, and then scored from the eleven.
Borges can't claim anything from that game.
"Borges can't claim anything from that game."
False. He can claim partial responsibility for the 21 points, just like OSU's offensive coordinator could claim partial responsibility for their 26 points. And they had their starting QB for that game, and their best player didn't get knocked out of the game slightly more than halfway through.
I don't understand why an offensive coordinator doesn't get credit for the calls he makes putting guys in a position to succeed. The defensive backfield blew a coverage? Well, maybe that had something to do with breaking tendencies, running a new route combination, personnel choices, formation, etc. Ohio State missed a tackle on Denard? Hmm...well, somebody clearly called that play to put Denard in a position where he was in open space to make a play.
Does an offensive coordinator only get credit for calling plays on which the defense aligns and reacts appropriately?
brian - please replace "I HAVE NEVER READ MGOBLOG" -Chris Perry
With "0 Fucks Given"
I dont know why you talk to anyone that has spent less time than you understanding michigan football. There is simply no point in listening to a certain percentage of your fan base, points or not, tenure or not.
This next season, I would request that you implement one thing: A more granular level of understanding of the Oline.
Thanks for your work this season and fuck those that are not incendiary for going 2-13 the past 15 years
and fuck those people that think this season is still going.
Til next year,
so I was lucky enough to go to the game, and having traveled 800 miles or so to do so, I kind of resented the insinuation that I was a sucker to have done it.
similarly, it was a privilege to be at the game, and watch our guys compete at a level many seemed to think they were incapable of. while I woke up this morning still with a pit on my stomach about the final result (and with some component of my brain running the conversion attempt in an endless loop, trying to make it successful), I also feel like the players and coaches showed something that exists as a truth in this world every bit as incontrovertible as the tally that must be added to the loss column given the final score.
and in that, maybe there's something about sports, and life. for some, its only about the w-l column. details, stories, journeys, transformations (etc.) are irrelevant. that's fine, but a cold existence in my view. but for me, the core of sports is about character, which teaches and inspires in so many ways, maybe especially when its correlated with 12-0 or whatever, but necessarily so.
yesterday was not a day to leave the stadium singing "it's great to be a Michigan wolverine", but it was one in which I left feeling, inside, proud to be one.
Hopefully Brian will get back that same feeling with a little R&R.
And much better seasons are ahead simply because there are so many alums and former players that care so deeply about the program. Whether its the optimists or the pessimists, passionate fans make UM great and fuel Brian's clicks. Apathy is the worst response.
Can we agree to not make anymore condesending posts regarding mlive(others) until the bell rings and this playground is once again suitable for adults. Adults, you know, not uber sensitive, power happy geeks waiting to "nuke" people. This site has digressed dramatically the past two years and the speed of the demise is increasing exponentially. As someone who finds themselves visiting the site less and less in direct correlation to the "informative content" posted and opting to post even less frequently I can say reading the mods approach is like watching someone in quicksand-- the more they kick and scream, the faster they sink.
I have been on the site for a few years now. This rant is kind of weird to me. I am glad I found the site and even though I agree with Brian most of the time especially when it comes to not being happy about almost winning, I spend most of the time on the message board and just skim the UFR's and front page stuff . None of the morons or trolls bother me and I am able to tune them out. It is a public forum regarding a college sports team where people can anonymously post. I guess I expect morons and am sometimes even entertained by them. Do I want them posting on the front page? No, but do I care that someone posts a stupid comment on a message board? Not even a bit, I just ignore it or maybe laugh at it. I agree with some moderation and I loved the point system, but I don't see it as a big deal.
Cheer up Brian
Can somebody shed some light a to the genesis of Brian's tweets? It sounds like they were caused by tweets he received but the general tone of this thread would indicate its blog related. I'm a bit confused.
Thanks. I'm pretty twitter-ignorant I didn't even know u could do that
Taken in a vacuum, that tweet might not seem like a really big deal (it probably isn't). However, god help the unfortunate dumb ass who snaps the thread reining in Brian's (or anyone's) levity. After all of the vitriol spewing about this season, directed this way and that, it's no wonder that Brian had finally had enough. We all have those moments.
Exactly. I don't really think it was any one event, but it's the end of the season and I think Brian finally had it with the people who have been metaphorically - and perhaps literally, for all we know - on his back.
So if I connect the dots here, Paul Jenkins, amoung others, is giving Brian shit via twitter while posting here on his site? Which would account for being pissed at something in the twitterverse but retribution occuring on the blog.
Do I have this right?
Well...ummm...essentially. And I'm guessing that Paul Jenkins posts on here anonymously, or perhaps not at all. Maybe he's just a reader. Maybe Brian just was talking in generalities. It just seems like that was the tweet that set him off.
but that comment was douchey for sure. I assume he's bitching because Brain didn't UFR the Iowa game. I don't blame Brian a bit for skipping it. He is a huge fan and that's gotta be painful sometimes.
I'm not a big fan of Brian's reasons for skipping it, but like numerous others have pointed out, this is a free blog. If I paid for a subscription to Rivals or the Detroit News or something, and their writer(s) just refused to write about a game because they were frustrated, that would be reason enough to get angry and cancel my subscription. Brian's free to skip a UFR if he wants. In fact, it seems like he rarely UFR's the Ohio State and/or bowl games.
I wouldn't want to UFR a loss, either; especially one that could have been summed up by two words: "We SUCKED." It has got to be a miserable, thankless job.
To paraphrase Bill Cosby (speaking of his wife's experience): I've seen the boss's job ... And I don't want it!
"It has got to be a miserable, thankless job."
I guess that's where we differ. There are usually positive comments on the losing UFR's saying "Thanks for doing this, Brian. It must have been painful." Furthermore, a lot of people give their "thanks" by donating, clicking on ads, buying T-shirts, and/or just visiting. I take a lot of criticism on here and on my blog, but I would never call it "thankless." Lots of people take the time to express their thanks. I would say that most of my big posts (not the videos, links, etc.) have at least one commenter expressing their thanks for my analysis, information, etc. And with many many more comments on MGoBlog, I'm guessing the number of thanks he receives far outstrips mine.
Painful? Yeah. Sometimes frustrating? Sure. Thankless? Not so much.
It certainly isn't thankless. I've received plenty of thanks, much more than I really deserve in my mind. It's more that those are never the ones that stand out as much, which is probably not the best way to look at it, but it is human nature.
This isn't Nam. It's bowling. There are rules.
I do think that Brian does a great job and has the right vision. I am farily ignorant of the personalities, politics involoved here as well as blog ettiquett and appropriate deference to mods. I guess my view is that mods should be like government or referees-- as least intrusive as possible. if done well they both should have as litle impact as possible. I would encourage Brian to continue his efforts and don't water the weeds so much. Go Blue!