I know our team has looked shaky at best during the first third of the season, but for some reason the last month has felt like we’re on one of those 2008-2010 losing streaks. What if this is the low point of our season? Maybe I’m the only one that thinks about this, but if so, then what exactly does us passing our low point mean? Does it mean we only lose 1 or 2 games the rest of the way? Does it mean we win the Big Ten, but will our early struggles discredit any damage we do inside of our conference? How about if we find ourselves in the National Championship picture? I still think it’s possible. We have players at every position but for some reason it just hasn’t clicked. What if it’s about to click starting in a few hours? Just question for the board…what are your realistic expectations after the first third?
MGo-Optimism: Team 134 Expectations...are yours still the same?
If we lose only one game, I will eat a shoe. Horrors await at Iowa, Northwestern, Nebraska, Ohio State, and Michigan State
I don't know if I should really, ever, "expect" anything from Michigan, other than holding themselves to a standard of integrity and hard work and discipline. Success will follow after that.
Do I think the team is achieveing all of those things at the moment? Mostly, although disciplined football doesn't seem to be locked in just yet for these guys.
It's felt like a losing streak?
But against Akron and UCONN, I've felt more let down and disappointed than any victory that a Michigan team has had in a long time. The way Team 134 has played has been kind of deflating at best. Ohio and other B1G fans have been giving me the business on a daily basis for the past month and rightfully so...
A win is a win is a win. Who cares?
Notre Dame rode "a win is a win" type shit shows at least 3x last year against mediocre competition (including 3OTs and horribly favorable officiating against 6-7 Pittsburgh) to a berth in the BCS NCG.
So, while I agree that we've looked pretty scary (in a bad way) the past 2 games, at the end of the day, a win is, in fact, a win.
Yeah, because Ohio State never won a national championship winning any ugly games that season or anything...
We have great coaches. The players are talented. Patience is a virtue. They will come along maybe even to all our over enthusiastic expectations.
championships are won up front, this team needs to improve there or they will lose 3-4 games. You have to control both lines in order to be successful, if we can't start doing this, we aren't winning any titles this season. Be patient man, great times are on the horizon. I think we''ll still win 8-9 games because of the B1G, but unless we improve upfront, we will struggle against Ohio and more than likely State.
no idea. Just like what team shows up, no idea.
Unless our play improves markedly, 8-4 looks more likely to me than 10-2.
I dunno. Depends if good Michigan shows up for rest of year or if we're Akron/UConn Michigan again.
I figured 7-0 to start the season. And then finish anywhere from about 8-4 to 11-1. Don't think that's changed but the confidence in that prediction isn't too high right now.
all goals are still attainable
I really think if devin can get back to 1 turnover a game we will be at worst a 2 loss team. still think if we get hot we could sneak into the national title talk.
Nathonal Title talk? This team is barely average in the Big Ten. I honestly thought that the bloggers on here were more intelligent than some of the things that I have been reading. Michigan is unable to control either line of scrimmage. This translates in to an average team or worse.
I kind of wish the '11 team did not play so well going 10-2. The defense almost turned on a dime that year, I was expecting only a 7 win season that year. '12 team finish more in line for the talent there. Still the '13 team is just too young to really do any better than 8 wins. I think we have to realize it will take time for the young talented player to gain the necessary experience and for talented depth to be built. In a couple of years we will be fine and we'll be winning 10 or more games per year. I just wish fans were more patient.
The team should improve by the end of the season. I just hope we can beat the teams we should beat and at least play competitively with a chance to beat MSU, NU, PSU and IA on the road and against NE and OSU at home. If we can win 3 of these games we should finish 8-4 but as long as play improves I will be satisfied with 6-6 season, which may end up being our record this season.
You'd be satisfied with the second .500 or worse record for Michigan ever (I'm prettt sure)? That's preposterous
I remember when Bo finished 6-6 in '84. There was a rash of injuries but the team played hard. Even against BYU they tried hard and almost won that bowl game against one of the top teams in country. Bo had a great bounce back year in '85. But Bo's teams were loaded.
The 3 wins in '08 was pathetic IMO! If RR would have at least mixed his spread plans with the pro style offense, I think we should have won 3 more games even with a weak OL. The defense had a lot talented players that year. Never want to experience a losing season again.
we should have been happy to win those three games, it took a miracle comeback to beat wisconsin (who turned out to be not so great). mixing up the offense wouldnt have done anything except put more pressure on the terrible oline in prostyle sets trying to get push. the only game we should have won was toledo if not for that pick six and the missed field goal to tie at the end. other than that we got STOMPED most of the season.
I am going to Zoltan Mesko my puppy if we go 6-6. Just kidding of course...I think...
My mother in law did a tarot reading for me. I asked if I would be happy with Michigan's season. She said no, they will make terrible mistakes and not play toy expectations.
I was thinking 10-2, her reading has me thinking 8-4 since I would still be pretty happy with 9-3.
my divinity Professor at Hogwarts said the same thing, but nobody believed her because she is always spouting some nonsense about someone named Harry Potter.
Probably a stiff tuition to go to a place a discount the teachings
Not too good a feeling although exciting (agonizing?) at times.
Still, I think 10-2 is reasonable expectation. I trust Hoke and co. to make right adjustments.
yep still believe a 14-0 season is going to happen this season. national champs!!!
Also eat shit and die
Plz k thx
The guys on BTN are saying they think Michigan tries to run up the score to make a statement. God, I hope so. If I'm going to stand in the rain, I want to see a lot of scoring by M.
I believe this is still a 9-3 team. I like the talent coming in but experienced offensive and defensive lines take multiple seasons to establish.
I think MSU will be very difficult to beat given their ability to blitz every down. Just like Brian and Craig said on WTKA their secondary will go into man to man coverage and can get away with PI in front of B1G officials in East Lansing.
weren't those B1G officials vs ND?
You're not going to get the PI calls if you go deep once or twice. Sparty will get away with pushing the rules.
If you keep at it though, officials have to call. NDs gameplan in a nutshell. Worked perfectly
Still sticking with 9-3 as well with the potential of a one game swing either way. I just don't see us as an undefeated or one loss team. On the flip side I don't see the doom and gloom 7 win season either. Looking ahead I believe we are incrementally bettere next season as we break in two OTs and rely on young WRs,
and the following year we are stacked IF Shane Morris can perform well, look out!
I said 8-4 before the season and I am sticking with that prediction. I think Michigan is probably still a couple seasons away from where we would all like them to be. The fate of Coach Hoke will be decided by the offense and how loyal he is to Funk and Gorgeous Al. As long as Mattison is around I am not worried about the D.
I think the jury is still out on Borges and Co. It makes me uncomfortable when a guy talks about the past a lot, and how he did things somewhere else, with another quarterback. It just makes me think his best days are behind him. Hopefully I'm wrong.
I expect flawless execution of a plan well crafted for victory. This team is not man for man better than the rest of the schedule. We are a better team however than the rest of the schedule.
The spirit of this years team (Lewan and Gordon) and the leaders of 2014 (Gardner and JMFR - not too early please) are going to step up and lead the way. I expect victory - even if that means beating a good team twice.
Please don't ask me about confidence.
This team feels more like a young talented team underperforming than a team just losing bad games. This team is a 9-3 team that I think goes 10-2.
I can't stress enough how important the O line changes are going to be. Michigan is going to stomp Minnesota and a rb will get over 125 yards tonight. Growing pains will be minimal and you will see more improvement with not as many backtracks in performance. My opinion obviously.
Even with the less-than-handy wins against Akron and Connecticut, it's hard to argue too much against the likelihood of 9-3 on the season (the typical prediction of the board at the outset, as I recall) without seeing this team in conference play and coming off a bye week in which some changes were made.
I would think that, from a performance evaluation standpoint, we'll have a clearer picture a couple games into conference play how the rest of the year might go - that is to say, marked trouble today and against Penn State next week might be cause for concern.
No expectations at this point, but I believe Michgan will win at least a few more of their big games. I mean, they are 1-0 on that level. So it isn't yet time to write off the potential of this team. Penn State will be a good indicator -- win or lose, if they make a lot of mistakes in that game, then it's time to downgrade expectations.
After ND, I thought there was a good chance we could go 10-2 or 11-1. Now I'm not so sure. If we continue to play like we've been playing, 8-4 at the absolute best. If we play up to our abilities, there is no one on our schedule we can't beat. Today's game will be very telling of how our season should be going forward. If we continue to not be able to get any push, and Minnesota is living in our backfield all day, then we're in for a a rough remainder of the season.
The team is undefeated. Until such time as that changes, no, my expectations (which are the same as Brady Hoke's) are also unchanged. I'm a realist of course and I've seen how badly this team is capable of playing - and I've also seen how good they're capable of being.
Put another way, I'm not going to dive into this woe-is-us shit and give up on the season just because I'm butthurt about Akron. Fuck that.
Making the pre-season guess that we're likely to go 9-3 doesn't mean "giving up on the season" as a fan any more than being skeptical about Jim Cramer means you're giving up on the stock market.
If one thought we should contend for the Big Ten title before the season, and now decides we cannot, in that case I would consider that giving up on the season.
Honestly, I think it's pretty simple. If Gardner continues to turn the ball over, we could lose to anyone left on our schedule. If his turnover issues get corrected, we could beat anyone left on our schedule.
I just hope we can overcome this and prevail! 12-0 National Champs baby! In a prefect world though!
This season is going to be like watching the basketball tournament.
Just survive and advance.
The bye week might have been good for the team but damn it feels like I've been waiting a month for them to play again.
This feels like the first game of the year all over again.
Dude, we won't be in the national championship picture. Clearly some people have drank the kool aide regarding the caliber of our players. We are still a couple years away. Getting closer though.
Your talking to me I was messing around dude. Hahaha
we prolly won't be in the picture, and defiantly shouldn't be. but I think we have potential to pull a "notre dame" where we win a ton of close games and end up undefeated. not saying I expect this, but wouldn't be surprised ethier.
I expected 10-2 with losses to MSU and Northwestern. After 4 games, I expect they will be 10-2 with losses to MSU and Northwestern.
The tossup games:
PSU -- Freshman quarterback
Nebraska -- No defense and they struggle away from home
MSU -- The defense will eat our interior line alive, especially in East Lansing
Northwestern -- Unstoppable throw god
Ohio -- We outplayed them in the first half in their house. We can put together a full game this year in ours.
I think we probably will end up losing about 3-4 games. Our O-Line isn't going to magically improve by a position switch. Our WR's still lack a true deep threat. Gallon is great, Dileo is sure-handed (when actually thrown to) but Chesson is still young and raw. We lack a true deep threat to spread the Defense out. So far we can't seem to get any production from our RB's. We have to blitz or stunt in order to get any pressure on opposing QB's, since our 4 man rush doesn't create any pressure on it's own. I'd say my optimism is WAY down from after the ND game.
Having said all that, I'm still cheering my heart out for the team, but I've lowered my expectations. (While singing 'Lowered Expectations' MAD TV skit in my head)
My default expectation is always 9-3. Anything more is "bonus points" and anything less is disappointing.
We can complain all we want about margins of victory and close games, but 4-0 is 4-0. If Devin Gardner makes it out of the MSU game without being injured, which is difficult since Sparty's first goal is always to injure Michigan's QB, this could be a great season.
I still want to see undefeated Ohio lose a rematch to Michigan in the Big Ten Championship game, knocking them out of the title game and sowing the seeds of doubt in Columbus. Michigan has played up and down to their competition this year. That usually results in at least one "bad" loss. Hopefully, they start a curve of improvement this week.
If you're going to have expectations, you've got to aim high. My default is 10-2. One penance-inducing loss caused by your own failures and one tip-your-hat loss where the other team just plays a better game.
Seems possible that this year the penance-inducing loss is past us, in the form of Akron/UConn. Hard to say for sure. But the tip-your-hat loss is definitely still ahead.
The Enlightened One explained that all human suffering/misery is born of our expectations/attachments. Winning and losing in sports is a complex interaction of a myriad of conflicting forces -- most of which are out of your control. In the end, all one should "expect" from anyone in a competitive environment is to control the controllables -- the rest is basically "luck." That being said, however, the great competitors/teams become so by tipping the balance in their favor (if only slightly) by mastering those controllables, and refusing to get caught up in judgement of aspects that they cannot control.
As such, my only expectations of Team 134 revolve around hard work, preparation, and resiliency. The Akron game, IMO, is the only game I've seen a Hoke coached Michigan team not meet those expectations. Going forward, my only expectation is for the team to work hard, be prepared, and remain resilient. If they do that, there is no team on the schedule that Team 134 cannot beat. However, as we've seen, if they don't, every team on the schedule can beat them.
My expectations are tempered, but I am still optimistic (as always). The only thing that drives me crazy is that I get nervous during every offensive play because I have a nagging feeling that Devin is going to do something stupid. I never felt that way with Denard at QB, by the way.
Conversely, I have the utmost confidence in the defense.
I like to beat Ohio and MSU. Those make a successful season for me. I expect 6 wins and a bowl game every year.
The opening games, good or bad, give the team some time to work on things. I think we demonstrated good upside against ND. I think we showed what our downside can be against Akron and Uconn especially what happened in the turnover department but the team did what they had to do to win the games.
Plenty of season left to look at highlights, lowlights, and some scrapes with good and bad luck.
What I like is that Hoke & Co have raised expectations at least from my viewpoint. I think they are pursuing top talent and obviously some of that works better than others, but I feel like they've shifted the mean (average). Its still a work in progress, but the inertia of developing and recruiting players...if we can continue on the current trajectory...is going to blossom. When that is I can't say for sure, but I'll be there/here 8-)
Haven't changed my overall prediction. I'm less confident in it, though. But I still think the most likely outcome is two regular season losses. We'll lose to one of Ohio, NW, and MSU, with a 66% chance of an additional loss to one of those three, PSU or Nebraska.
Another way to put it: I think that if we play this season three times, once out of those three times we come through 4-1 against Ohio, @NW, @MSU, @PSU, Neb, while the other two times we go 3-2 over that stretch. There are some good teams there, but honestly Nebraska is not looking too scary at all with that defense and in our house (and coming off a lost to them last year); MSU's defense may keep them in games but their offense will keep their opponents in games, so they're not looking too scary either; and PSU is not looking as strong as I thought they might. That leaves NW and Ohio - who do still scare me.
UConn and Akron games are us playing down mentally, I think. Could be wrong, but gun to my head I'm sticking with what I said before.
Penn state: W
(I think these are all almost guaranteed wins)
that gets us 8 wins.
If you are picking 8-4, it means every other game is a loss.
I say likely is a split among: N'western, Nebraska, MSU, OSU.
That means: 10-2.
11-1 not a crazy pick.
12-0 means we get lucky somewhere along the line,
and have to play OSU for all the marbles.
This team looks terrible for the 3rd straight game against 3 shit teams. This team will be fortunate to be 8-4. I won't be satisfied but I am also not kidding myself.