Dantonio did the ultimatum with Frank Clark. Worked out for us.
fair point that
Dantonio did the ultimatum with Frank Clark. Worked out for us.
I think you both have made good points that are very insightful and would apply to most highly touted recruits. I'm just thinking if Burbridge in particular knew that he wanted to stay close to home and Michigan and MSU were far and away his top schools (which seems very likely; I don't remember there being any other major players in his recruitment) then that tactic would work. And then again maybe I'm just really overthinking this whole thing since I'm making like half a dozen assumptions. Occam's razor and all that.
If you're that scared that a visit could sway the kid from his dream team. It's a straight up dirty tactic too, I feel bad for Dunn.
This is like saying a guy shouldn't be scared his girlfriend still wants to date other guys,, it's letting you know they aren't as committed as they're teling you ...Coaches (remeber Hoke does this too) are only really saying that If you are committed to Us, Act accordingly. We keep forgetting that at the time, WE were the ones trying to POACH Dunn from OSU
The guy chose the enemy, get over it
Brown was told that he would not be considered "committed." This story says that Dunn would no longer have an offer. There is a huge difference between the two.
In one case, Hoke said that he wouldn't hold a spot in the class for someone who is still undecided. This only makes sense. Hoke will hold spots for firm commitments, and continue to recruit to fill any openings. If you aren't committed, there is no guarantee of a spot. If you are still considering other schools, you aren't truly committed. In the OSU case, if the story is true, Meyer said that he would no longer want the guy at all if he wanted to explore his options. This is not at all the same as saying there is not a guarantee of a spot for an undecided recruit.
Either way, the coaching staff is saying: "Don't jerk us around. If you're committed don't visit elsewhere."
Which is fine... As long as you give the kid a choice.
In hindsight, Britonte should have de-committed really early, still saying Ohio was top choice, but looking around. That way Urbs would have the chance to recruit him, instead of using tactics like this to keep him committed.
That would have given Brionte the freedom to visit whoever and whenever he wanted.
Telling someone that they don't have an offer and telling someone that they are no longer considered committed are distinctly different situations. Especially in the case with Dunn who was a commit in title only. No one's saying it's a big deal or dirty or anything like that; it just seemed like kind of a drastic step for someone who's a lights-out recruiter to take.
I don't see anything wrong with it. He was committed to OSU but kept visiting their biggest rival and even stood on our sideline during The Game. Why would he want a valuable scholarship spot taken by someone who keeps hinting at committing to another school? Urban made him choose and he did. I'm sure he's at where he belongs.
This doesn't strike me as particularly crude or nefarious. Hoke (and most other coaches) do this from time to time, and practically speaking Meyer was never going to pull Dunn's offer because Dunn is a highly-regarded recruit at a position of need. Dun chose OSU over UM, and that's fine. Wish the kid the best except when he plays UM. Move along.
A quote, that is, from Meyer directly. My immediate reaction to the headline was, "Huh, that's interesting; I wonder who ratted out that story?" As it turns out, it was Meyer himself. No questions, no doubt, no apologies, no hedging. Straight-up. Is there a more no-bullshit coach in all of college football?
Have you? I might agreee with you. I just haven't witnessed it.
I think it is sort of beyond doubt that as Meyer's DC, Mattison and Meyer were probably kindred spirits. I imagine that being a No Bullshit guy is what it takes to succeed, on Meyer's staff, as well as being the DC of the Baltimore Ravens, one of the nation's toughest street gangs.
...of the defensive players during Moeller's tenure as HC. His style must have run some of those guys away.
And no, that's not a valid comparison with what I was saying. Brady Hoke is a by all accounts a very nice guy and by virtually all accounts a good football coach.
But no, he's almost as canned and as non-forthcoming as was Lloyd Carr. All of that coach-speak. The return of "Fort Schembechler;" and according to a lot of past football letterwinners, that is sort of what they expect and what they like. Brady Hoke's public revelation-per-word ratio (need charts) is probably as bad as Carr's, and undoubtedly worse than Schembechler, Moeller or Rodriguez.
I can fill you in on Brady Hoke's next two pressers; He loves these kids. He needs to see senior leadership, because it is all built around senior leadership. The season will depend on that, not him. The kids have a long way to go, but he likes their effort. They are learning, but they need to finish. It is all about finishing with Team 133. Finish the job. In November. Beat Ohio.
Actually, I didn't mean "No bullshit" as an automatic compliment to Urban Meyer. Like, I don't see Brady Hoke walking away from a reporter, turning around and walking back to verbally tear the reporter's face off for something the reporter said or wrote. Live, on camera. I don't see Brady Hoke saying, "Yeah, Mattision and I got on the phone with the kid -- on a speakerphone, together, at the same time -- and we both told him that if he visits Ohio State he better like it there because that is where he is going." Even if it were true.
These are the words of a "no bullshit" coach, heh?
“I made this clear to Jeremy Foley (Florida Athletic Director), if I am able to go coach, I want to coach at one place, the University of Florida. It would be a travesty, it would be ridiculous to all of a sudden come back and get the feeling back, get the health back, feel good again and then all of a sudden go throw some other colors on my shirt and go coach? I don’t want to do that. I have too much love for this University and these players and for what we’ve built.” —Urban Meyer, after resigning at UF the first time.
Pharaoh Brown I.e
stands for "id est", which roughly equates to "that is".
e.g. stands for exempli gratia, or "for example". Here you would want to use e.g., were you a grammar nazi such as myself.
Again: Michigan does the same thing. So do many or most top-tier programs. Move on. Nothing to see here.
I don't see anything wrong with what URB did. Theres two sides here, your either with us or with Ohio. Dunn chose Ohio and thats it. Moving on, we will be fine and our recruiting has a greater upside than Ohio. If the fiasco at Penn St would not have happend Ohio would of had a not so significant class. Unfortunately for URB we are on the UP and Ohio is faultering in their own state.
they may be faltering in ohio but i guarantee meyer will invade SEC country with some pretty successful results.
I guess that depends on what you consider faltering in Ohio?
is there an emoticon for "meh."
What's up with that writer. Is he an ex-buckeye, or a wannabe-douche, or what? Did anybody else feel like he totally backed Meyer in this absurdity?
"While many people assume one of the top running backs in Ohio would be guaranteed to be a Buckeye for his collegiate career, his indecision nearly cost him a spot with Meyer. But thanks to an excellent home visit, Dunn will be able to bring his bulldozing style of play to Columbus for the next three to four years."
How does "one of top receivers in country nearly gets screwed over by Ohio football jerkoff" equate to "one of top receivers in country is thanking the heavens that he gets to play for Ohio football jerkoff?"
I had to laugh at this one -
"According to Brandon Castel of theOzone.net, Meyer said, “We told him, you are not going to visit there, and if you do, you better like it because that’s where you are going to go.” Meyer and former head coach Luke Fickell’s words must have had an impact on Dunn, because shortly after he cancelled that visit to Michigan."
I would have loved to have him as a Wolverine, but he got called on his bluff. If Hoke did this I would be laughing and praising his "cut to the chase" attitude.
I always look for little things that entertain me:
When the Buckeyes announced Meyer would take over, Dunn considered de-committing from Ohio State due to Meyer’s spread offense. Dunn rushed for over 5,700 yards during his high school career, and at the time didn’t see how he would fit in Meyer’s offense which has never produced a 1,000-yard rusher at the collegiate level.
Then the article goes on to say:
His skill set will be a great addition to the Buckeyes, as they go into the 2012 season looking to replace graduated senior Daniel “Boom” Herron. Despite being suspended six games last season, Herron was the Buckeyes’ most dependable back, and now that he is gone the team will be looking for another every-down back.
I just don't see how he'll be used as he should be. I don't know how he'll be a "great addition." His greatest addition is that he's a subtraction from Ohio State's greatest rival. Meyer doesn't have a history of producing great power backs. He might say that he's going to change his offense or this and that, but history says otherwise. I just find this whole situation funny.
Meyer will win some battles; Michigan will win some battles. That's all to it.
dont I remember reading he was in Ann Arbor on our sideline when we played OSU?
why dont we just send the pictures to Urban now?
Doesn't have a problem with it ; we shouldn't
I wonder if this will be a tactic he uses against us in other close head to head battles or whether it was a one time thing.
The answer is yes.
At some point, you need to know where you stand when it comes to any "sale". Either someone is on board or they are not. Anyway you want to position it, it is not really surprising or concerning to me. Meyer asked for a solid commitment and closed the deal with someone who had already committed to OSU.
He actually would have been dropped about 3 visits earlier if it was the other way around. He grew up wanting to be a Buckeye, good luck to him and this year we got Smith who grew up a Wolverine fan with the same skill set.
On to the next story.....
Though he won't say so, you have to wonder if Dunn resents it on some level or will wonder what might have been.
I don't think we'll see much of Brionte during his career. Meyer bascially said he didn't like his style of play, but offered him because his family is great.
My Interpretation: I didn't really want him. But I like the kid and really didn't want him to go to Michigan.
Good luck Brionte. You'll make a good linebacker.
....sort of lead me to believe that Urban Meyer is trying to find ways to say, "This is Ohio" in a more emphatic way than simply shadowing the recruiting trail of other Big Ten schools, most notably Michigan.
I don't know that browbeating people into maintaining their commitment to a school is necessarily works out well from a psychological standpoint in the long run (apparently Urban thinks autocratic management is different than what Ohio had before), but if Meyer feels that this is how you foster loyalty and build a recruiting class, then I guess we can test his theory on the field every November.
Dunn is definitely talented, of course, and part of me wonders if Meyer really would have pulled the offer if he had visited Michigan for that reason alone, especially if his view of Dunn was as transmorgrified by the in-home visit as he claims. I have to believe that Urban is not so stupid that he would incinerate bridges without having thought it over first. Of course, part of me wonders why Luke Fickell was on a conference call to provide constructive guidance on something...
When are fans going to stop acting like fans, fercryingoutloud?
It is funny to watch the ebb and flow of some of these long threads. This one rises, dies, and rises again, courtesy of someone who can't be bothered to read anything before throwing out their own epistle, or someone who lacks comprehension.
"When are fans going to stop acting like fans, fercryingoutloud?"
What do you want fans to act like?
He wanted to visit Oregon and when he did we pretty much cut ties. Or am I misunderstanding something?
Read the rest of the fucking thread.
It's Urban Meyer's scholarship offer and he can do with it whatever he pleases. No one forced Dunn to go to Ohio State. Hell, no one forced him to commit to OSU early either. He could have not early committed anywhere and Urban and Co. would have been totally fine with him taking visits, but once you commit to a school that means you commit to a school--whether you've signed a letter or not. Put a real world spin on it: you're engaged to your fiancee, but you say "hey, I want to go on a date with some other girl, I wont do anything with her, but I want to see what she has to offer, and maybe I'll marry her instead." Your fiancee would have every right to say, "go to hell, you committed to me, if you go flirt with someone else, I'm leaving you behind and I'll find someone else, and if that other girl turns out to be not as good as me and you want me back, well too bad, you shouldnt have flirted with someone else when you were committed to me," and every one would applaud her for it. Look at it without a dog in the fight. Urban doesn't have the space or time to dick around with maybes. Committed means committed, if you don't want to be committed anymore then de-commit, but don't expect a spot to be reserved. And if you're commited to somene, you shouldn't be upset if that person gets pissed if you want to flirt elsewhere, do that before you commit.
Stumbled accross this post on Urbie's practices. Interesting approach...