Meyer will address poor recruiting in the B1G with other coaches

Urban is right that other than UM and Ohio the B1G recruiting is pretty crappy, but it still sucks having to listen to that douche pontificate about anything.

Meyer is a jackass. Once Saban got going, he couldn't stop him. I really don't like Saban either, but he doesn't try and seem likable. It's crazy to say, but meyer gives me the perspective to actually kind of respect mark dantonio, who is probably fucking pissed about these comments. I think Meyer will be gone by within 3 years.

Sometimes players give other teams bulletin board material for one game. Meyer just gave every single team in the Big Ten bulletin board material for every game in conference for years to come. And most teams already play up when going against ohio. Good luck with that!

 

I shalt not defend A prick of that magnitude Juco recruiter

Thinking out loud on where a typical mid tier Big 10 program should rank, I dont see how it does much better than 30s.

Here is how I broke it down - you have the 4 traditional powers in the Big 10: Blue, Ohio, Nebraska, PSU.  The latter has an issue for the next couple of years so anything in the top 20 would be a very good showing.

Outside those 4 you have the new "power": Wisconsin.  By power I mean a top contender the past 10-20 years. 

So the question is outside the big 4 who does Wisconsin and the "next tier":  MSU, Iowa, Purdue (?), Illinois, Northwestern (?) fall in national rankings.  Northwestern has academic requirements so won't fit in this.  

Cross reference this with the national power grid right now which I will split into blue bloods and in fashion power - I don't see a great case for the Big 10 next tier doing much better than they do now. 

Blue bloods, in no order

1. Bama
2. LSU
3. Florida
4. Miami
5. Florida State
6. Texas
7. Oklahoma
8. USC
9. Notre Dame
10. UCLA (I know they have been down for years but they should be a traditional power with that weather and conference)
11. Georgia
12. Auburn (borderline but Auburn v Iowa - you get the idea)
13. Tennessee

In Fashion power/next tier

1. Oregon
2. Texas A&M
3. Stanford
4. Ok State
5. Kansas State
6. TCU
7. West Virginia
8. Virginia Tech
9. Boise State
10. South Carolina
11. Clemson (meh)

 

This is 24 slots.  Add the power 4 of the Big 10 and you have 28.  Add Wisconsin and you have 29.  I didnt even include programs like Arkansas which again on conference, weather, women, and proximity to most top end recruits smacks an Iowa, MSU, or Illinois. 

Of those 29 there are 20 clearly better (current competitive) programs OR traditions than MSU, Illinois, Minnesota, Purdue or whomever in the mid tier Big 10 you want to throw against.  So even if those programs compete with the low end of the 29 teams above they are battling West Virginia, TCU, OK State, and Kansas State - yes maybe more tradition here but the average 16 year old cares about playing time, making it to the league, TV appearances (main Big 10 advantage), weather, and women.   

All other things being equal MOST kids will also wish to play closer to home ON AVERAGE.  And where is most of the top tier talent outside of PA and OH - closer to those schools on the lists above ex Boise State. Notre Dame, or Nike aka Oregon.  So why should the Big 10 mid tier rank higher then 26th or 33rd or 37th in any year?  And is there really a quantitative difference between ranking 29th vs 35th annually. Nah.

My opinion is PSU is down for now for obvious reasons and is weighing down the conference.  Nebraska is Nebraska - only so many kids are going to cornfields regardless of succces in the Osborne era (but they should still be top 15 annually) and Wisconsin has overachieved with MSU type classes.  The laggard in terms of potential in the Big 10 IMO is Illinois, it should be there at the top of the 2nd tier.  Everyone else is where they more or less fit.  MSU is doing fine with what they are 25-40th type program. Who else in the conference should be "leaps and bounds" ahead of OK State and West VA or UCLA or South Carolina?  No one - they are where they belong.

The Big 10 is what is it, a relatively top heavy conference with 1 of its traditional powers neutered (offset by the ascension of Wisonsin the past 2 decades) and a middle tier with the exception of Illinois (IMO) right where it belongs.  Very similar to the Pac 10 with better TV ratings and more money.  Hard to make an arguement the middle tier should be recruiting anything more than 25-45 as they do now.

Since it was a boring signing day for us I decided to watch some of espn's coverage and it was so awful. If they weren't sucking off the SEC they were salivating over Meijer and ohio. I think during the entire 16hr coverage they talked about Michigans class once for about 30 seconds saying that Brady Hoke needed to keep up with ohio but couldn't bc of Meijer and his amazing recruiting. I seriously almost smashed the television.

To be fair, Kentucky had the 11th best class in the SEC and it would have been the 4th best in the big ten.  We aren't catching them in percpetion anytime soon if that holds up.

I'm wondering how much of our recent recruiting success has to do with the traditional other local powers (Ohio, ND) seeming to focus away from the Midwest. Very few ND recruits come from the area, and only half of the Ohio State kids do. My understanding is that with Tressel, any talented kid from the state would get offered, thus preventing us from getting them, or making it much less likely. It seemed Meyer was very slow to offer Ohio/area kids, which left us to swoop in. Obviously, we still might get some, but if even half the Ohio kids in our class went to OSU, we'd have a much less rosy picture on our hands. Not saying this is good or bad or whatever, just a conjecture.

 

In terms of recruiting, it's hard to say, because the SEC is seemingly so dirty that I would never advocate playing in that mud. But, on the flip side, it seems like with all the money the conference gets, you'd think the B1G could figure out a way to legally use it to attract recruits. Look at the basketball league: good recruiting, money spent on the programs, great balance and power. Not sure why this is not replicable in football.

Hopefully the other coaches will have the honor of touching Urban's cloak.

I don't care about Urb wanting to discuss B1G recruiting with the coaches (I'm sure that conversation will go well), but more night games...in Columbus? That sounds perfectly safe for visiting fanbases and teams. 

Meyer if you weren't the most hated coach in the B1G before you certainly will be after you tell every other program they suck at recruiting

if someone like Berkley Edwards sees this, or any kid who got schollies to B1G schools will see this as a slap in face.  If they're worth their salt that is. 

He's a collossal douche because he takes a job at OSU, recruits well, and thinks that entitles him to tell all the other coaches how to recruit.

Tell him to go through a couple recruiting cycles with IU, Iowa, Minnesota, etc. and get back to us on his advice.

He's also a megadouche because he is publically denouncing the performance of the B1G.

lure the coaches out of their offices so he can screw their female grad assts while they are out.

The BIG is never going to oversign and pay recruits with cars and TATs like Ohio did and the SEC does. He should just keep his mouth shut and dance around his office about his awesome schedule he plays at Ohio.

He is the perfect coach for the school and fan base. That school doesn't give 2 sh*ts about eduction and their fan bases morals rival Satan and I'm not kidding. Cheering for cheaters at half time of our game proved that they are idiots once and for all.

They got lucky and hid behind Penn States sad story last year and acted like paying kids who already get a free education wasn't a big deal and lying about it.

 

 

Because with football being a relatively new sport around these parts, someone from a place like the SEC can tell us how it's done.

/s

I'd like to be there when he gets to the part where you identify a committed recruit from one of your conferences foes and then agressively try to get him to change his commitment to your school.

wants to do away with the guaranteed scholarship rules the Big Ten has in place. He would rather have the option to tell a scholarship player who hasn't panned out that his scholarship is not being renewed. Thus dumping the kid and signing larger classes on NSD. His idea would put them on equal footing with the SEC.

I don't care what rules college football uses for recruiting but I do believe ALL universities should follow the same rules. The SEC should not be able to sign an additional 30 to 32 kids every four years compared to the Big Ten. Yes the Big Ten is trying to do the right thing by the athletes they recruit but their rules do put Big Ten schools at a disadvantage. What ever decisions or rules are set I just want to be on equal footing with everyone else. I would prefer the NCAA adopt the Big Ten method but doubt they ever will.

I'm sure the other B1G coaches chose not to recruit as well as they could.  This is like telling a rich person telling poor person that they need to get a better paying job. 

 

Hey Urban, if you want the rest of the B1G to recruit better - stop stealing their recruits!

I'm sure it will come as a total revelation to other coaches that they will field better teams if they recruit better.

He probably means well, but why would he alienate his bretheren this way. He should go back to tagging his cheerleaders.

He seems to make a good point.  His team can't play many big games is the rest of the B1G sucks.  It doesn't help the poll standings.

The problem I have with this is that Urban has been consistent with talking about how great the SEC is, all I keep thinking is why the hell did you take that job then? He's flat out said that players in the south are better and that the SEC is faster, then what are you trying to prove coming to an "inferior" league? He was a mega douche in Florida and a mega douche in Ohio.

And the buckeyes are d-bags, I don't want to see his stupid name on this blog again. I can't wait until we kick his ass next year.

Urban can and should address the rest of the B1G 10, but not us. Hoke gets it!

It's just an opportunity for Urban to brag about how well he recruited compared to the rest of the Big Ten. What a douche.

The recruiting expenses for a number of Big Ten schools have gone up between 2011 and 2012.    From the article at http://thegazette.com/2013/02/07/urban-meyer-effect-b1g-football-recrui…

The Big Ten’s football programs already have followed suit financially. At least eight Big Ten programs increased football recruiting expenses in the 2012 fiscal year, according to records supplied by 10 league schools to The Gazette via the Freedom of Information Act. Only two schools did not send information to The Gazette: Northwestern and Penn State. As a private school, Northwestern is not required to submit financial information. A Penn State official said the school is waiting for auditors to certify the report.

Overall, the 10 league schools saw their recruiting expenses increase by a combined $720,177 from 2011 to 2012. Iowa’s recruiting costs soared by more than $96,000 to a program-high $403,305. That’s nearly double what the Hawkeyes spent on football recruiting in fiscal year 2010. But that’s still lower than at least six other Big Ten programs.

*****

Here's a review from a Florida fan about Meyer's recruiting classes the year after he left--see http://ourtwobits.com/floridas-troubles-start-with-meyers-recruiting/

Here's an excerpt from that article.  Keep in mind this was written in November 2011:

Final Review: It is quite clear and quite evident that while Meyer’s classes were great on paper, they left much to be desired. Twenty-two (22) players transferred. Nine players had no career or no legitimate playing time at UF. At least seven players have drastically played below their rankings. Six QBs were recruited, only two are currently on the roster as QBs, two are TEs and two transferred, leaving UF with a Redshirt Senior QB, a Redshirt Freshman QB and two Freshmen QBs. The Gators have struggled to recruit talented Wide Receivers. The Gators have struggled to find a “Power Running Back” that can block and knows the playbook.  The Gators have struggled mightily recruiting Defensive Ends. The Gators Offensive Line has been considered “small”. The Gators have struggled to recruit and retain blocking Tight Ends. UF currently only has 69 players on their roster (85 is the maximum).

It should be quite clear and quite evident why UF is playing poorly this year.  While UF owes Urban Meyer and staff a debt of gratitude, UF really struggled retaining and developing talent, especially for a “Pro-Style” Offense.

*****

If I'm a Big Ten coach and I'm listening to Meyer talk about recruiting, I'd look very closely not only at Meyer's successes af Florida, but his problems there as well, including with the recruiting classes.   Here's a Sporting News article titled "From Champs to Chomped:  How Urban Meyer Broke Florida Football" from April 2012 toat goes into some details.  See http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/story/2012-04-09/urban-meyer-…

 

 

 

In all fairness it's a lot easier for a team like Missippi State to hold onto high rated in-state talent than it is Purdue, not the mention the fact that there is more talent in a state like Missippi over a state like Indiana. 

a ridiculous concept  on face value

Maybe this is a conversation that needed to happen, but it didn't need to be made public.  Just Meyer making headlines again.

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf--urban-meyer-challenges-big-ten-riva…

 

He could be right, but if his goal was as stated, he would have brought up the issue in-house (as it were), among the coaches and not to the media.  It's just a shitty move worthy of a person of little character

What a condescending piece of s*it.  It is none of his business how other teams are recruiting.  I'd love to see his reaction when he loses a game in the B1G to a team with lesser recruits.  I'm not saying he isn't right, but it's none of his concern how other teams in the conference recruit. 

Also, I'd love what he's going to say to Hoke.  "Look, you're class is alright, but you have a lot of offensive linemen which - really - they're not very fast.  Fine, you got a 5-star running back but only after we decided he didn't fit our scheme because he's too big.  Don't get me started on your quarterback...I mean, that kid doesn't even have 4.6 speed - do you think he can compete in this conference?  Also...SPEEEEEEEED."  Cut to Hoke punching him in the face and walking away from him Alan Branch style.

To divert attention and deligitimatize critics.

To do so, Ohio pre-emptively attacks its B1G peers and potential threats

Meyer knows that the B10 has the responsibility to review not only whether Ohio complies with NCAA-imposed scholarship penalties but also how Ohio does so.  When the penalties were imposed, Ohio began to drop players for no good reason other than their poor performance (see link).  So, instead of having to confront criticism over dropping "underperforming" players, Ohio tries to turn the tables, first criticizing felllow B1G coaches for their own “underperformance” (vs the SEC, as if the SEC should be a model for honoring implicit commitments made to scholarship players). 

In so doing, Ohio tries to

1. give the misleading impression that their recent recruiting was far superior  when it wasn't  (eg in Scout rankings, they were, wthin a margin of error, virtually tied with UM, and required a suspect last day of oversigning even to do this); and

2. deflect attention from

a. the NCAA’s limp gesture to “restrict” the number of scholarships given to Ohio for this cheating

b. Ohio’s effort to circumvent even these inadequate penalties.

c. the fact that they cheated for more than a decade to build their recruiting capacities.

So, how should the B1G coaches respond to Meyer’s public disrespect of them?   

How should the B1G respond to Ohio's cheap trick?’ 

IMO, the B1G needs to grow a pair.  They have the responsibility to investigate the means Ohio has used to circumvent the scholarship restrictions intended to penalize them. 

Let Meyer know: This isn't the SEC.  We don't want it to be.  And if he tries to bring sleezy SEC tactics here, there will be consequences for Ohio.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oversigning

Urban rolled into the BIG parking lot with his tricked out 64-Imala, let the air shocks down, opened the door and said, "Deal with it motherfuckers"

 

Frankly I don't know why he is bitching, except to make the other teams better so when his team is playing for NCs they will actually compete.  In his first year he went 12-0, signed the 2nd best recruiting class in the country and firmly planted his flag in the Employee of the Month parking spot.  The BIG is now the BIG1, Medium4 & Insignificant 7.

I hate this guys guts but he has a point for one thing: B1G division needs to stop this bullshit of how we are better, or how we comply with all the rules and blah blah...enough of this shit and go play ball..pull in players with experince always helps, such as transfers or players from lower divisions..look at what wisconsin did in 2011 with their transfer, Oregon program is top 5 due to experinced players they pick up from transfers or lower division schools...SEC wins every year because they dont have "academic" standards, they just produce and bring in players to play NCAAF...so B1G need to relax their rules and get players, no one cares about the academics when ur a football player, you take simple classes and you graduate as an nfl player or u still get a good job because u played football. Plus all they are to the school is money and ratings, think about it....if B1G is going national again, they need to loosen up on all this academic bullshit...its been a long time since the two powerhouses in B1G have won a championship (1997,2002)..think about that