To be late era Lloyd Carr instead of just Lloyd Carr.
Mike Lantry, 1972
To be late era Lloyd Carr instead of just Lloyd Carr.
Even though he is a good coach i don't think he is that good of a recruiter and will have a tough time getting all of the power offense guys from Ohio to play in his spread offense. His classes at Florida were rated great but now we are seeing his last 2-3 in action without Tebow and a lot of them were overrated and the Gators are not very good. It will be an interesting rivalry between Hoke and Urban but we have Greg Mattison who ran Urban's defense in Florida and is the best recruiter in the nation.
Meyer is from the Midwest and understands what it means to coach OSU.
Meyer understands what he doesn't know and is willing to hire someone like Charlie Strong and Mattison as DC and let them coach the defense the way they want.
Meyer has gotten a QB drafted number 1 in the draft and had another win the Heisman.
The difference between winning the SEC and winning the Big East is like the difference between winning in the Big Ten and winning in the MAC
I agree with cp4three2 Meyer proved himself at a couple of D 1 schools and won his way up the coaching ladder to Florida. Hes been very successful at every stop. Meyer is an elite coach. RR is an elite offensive coordinator at best and a good/ok/who really knows head coach? Wishful thinking on the ops part. Having said that I love our staff and what they are doing. Let meyer go to ohio. In Hoke and staff I trust. Beat Ohio!
Meyer would walk into an environment where he would be more or less left alone and allowed to run his system and hire his people, assuming they are available (one is not, of course - his former DC is ours). I think that OSU fans are willing to welcome just about anyone they believe could lead them to a place that they believe should be theirs.
You look at his years without Tebow and the fact he was clearly out schemed by Lloyd Carr and Mike DeBord Urban gets more credit as a genius than is due...although no shame in getting schooled by hof Lloyd. Urban will only be as good as his staff ask Will Muschamp how easy it is to walk into a coaching transition.
.....just turned down my interview request. I don't blame him, given what he walked into.
I will say, however, that I am not worried about Meyer regardless.
Nowhere near the same type of hire.
First, no one is forcing OSU to look for a coach. While Michigan had no choice because Carr was leaving, OSU could have stuck with Fickell if they wanted. However, actively pursued Meyer because they thought it'd better for the program, not because they were backed into a corner to do so.
Secondly, not only does Urban have BCS bowl experience at multiple schools, he has multiple national championships. RichRod only had BCS bowl experience, and getting to the BCS from the Big East isn't really the hardest thing in the world to accomplish.
Thirdly, Meyer's coming from Florida, a top tier football institution, not a 2nd rate BCS conference school like WVU.
Lastly, and most importantly, Urban has ties to OSU. Many of us (unfortunately, myself included) never gave RichRod a chance because we saw him as an outsider. In the words echoed by many U of M fans about our own new coaching situation, a phrase to explain Urban's relationship to OSU is "he gets it."
Is two national titles and the recruiting clout that comes with it.
Meyer at least has a talented spread qb already, and he will likely do a much better job putting together a staff. He's a better coach than Rod and he's done it at an elite program already.
will be as good as his talent which Ohio has plenty of. He will also be able to recruit nationally.
Meyer will also be as good as the assistants that he hires. Quite possibly he will have his choice of assistants that would flock to OSU for the cahnce at that type of program and the abundance of talent in that state. That being I still like our chances against an OSU thats run like a clean program.
Guy has two national titles, a midwest background and success in probably the toughest conference in college football.
People are making objective points about his record of success. You are making subjective statements about his likeability.
Pretty much spot on. The guy's credibility will be questioned by parents, athletes and coaches in living rooms across America.
As far as I can tell he has said nothing about it other than "I have not been offerred or accepted anything."
Oh and regardless of that answer, the fact that he may be a flake has nothing to do with the fact that he is an outstanding football coach with an almost unprecedented record of success.
There seriously needs to be a ban on all Urban Meyer threads. People on this board are starting to sound like they are scared to see Ohio get a big name coach. I don't care who they hire as coach and whether he has or hasn't won championships before. All we need to know is that we've got a great staff who recruits well, coaches well, and has the team pointed in the right direction.
We have Greg Mattison and Brady Hoke and (arguably) the top recruiting class in the country. I will take that over Urban Meyer and a program in disarray. Did we all think Ohio State would hire Houston Nutt and be mired in mediocrity for 15 years?
I think it was worth talking about once but there shouldn't be a new thread about it everyday. We have a great staff. Ohio will probably assemble at least a good staff themselves. It's whatever, much more interested in Saturday than off field chatter.
Well said, KB. We are Michigan. Ohio is our biggest rival. They're going to be successful based on their legacy and strong backing. With this hire, they will likely handle the coaching transition much more smoothly that we did the last two times. There is nothing we can do about this. All we can do is trust our damn fine current coaching staff, support the program and continue to believe in the players. The stronger our conference and our rivals are, the greater our success against them will stand. Weak attempts to find flaws with this obviously accomplished coach and solid hire are slightly pathetic and un-Wolverine-like. If you're worried we can't compete against this guy, root for a program you think can. Otherwise get in line with the "Bring It On" crowd. This is Michigan, fergodsakes.
Meyer hired great assistant coaches and had a reliable, if not great (at times) defense. He also consistently recruited top classes in a talent rich area. He does resemble RR though. It's spread or bust and not a very running back friendly offense. Still with Tebow and Cam Newton in his offense....
Meyer will be successful at OSU. Not as successful as Buckeye fans think he will be, but successful nonetheless.
Aside from all of the points already made, I feel the circumstances are different in another way
When Carr left, I believe most fans felt his offense had stagnated (ie "lloydball"). We went for RR who was pretty much the anti-Lloyd in every way possible. It was our attempt at "modernizing" our scheme.
With Ohio, I feel Meyer is just the best coach available. While many fans may not like Tresselball, I don't think it's a driving force in their selection criteria.
Les Miles is a closer analogy. Meyer has ties to OSU and he's won a national championship at an SEC school.
I think he's had a little more success than RR did under his belt when he was hired at Michigan...two NCs and numerous BCS bowls. Ergo, he is probably a better and at least more respected nationally coach than Rodriguez was at the time he was hired at Michigan (None of this is intended to bash RR, FYI)
Ohio fans already had to sit through this year. So it's not like they don't really want a change. Imagine Michigan fans having to sit through Ron English, only Ron English being a lame duck from the start and having some of his best players suspended. So yeah, they're ready for what's next there.
I could see Meyer having a little tougher time recruiting at Ohio than he did at Florida, but he'll get guys. If I'm Gene Smith that's who I want to hire, there's definitely not a better available coach.
Someone please tell Brian that google is putting fucking Ohio State gear on the banners right now and I am pissed the fuck off because I just verped my moms awesome Thanksgiving dinner.
1. Expect more Gholston-esque play: Brandon Spikes attempts to gouge out an opponents eyes, and Meyer gives him a half-game suspension.
2. Meyer won with Zook's recruits.
3. Tebow leaves, Mullen leaves, and Florida produces a 7-5 result.
4. 33 Gator players arrested, and that's what was reported to the press... Did they report Cam Newton's problems in that 33?
5. Did I mention Mattison was the D coordinator of the firsr National Championship team?
6. Meyer has a history of being a whiner and overly emptional, not characteristics of a successful coach.
Chad Henne leaves, Mike Hart leaves, we go 3-9
Terelle Pryor leaves, a buttload of seniors graduate etc, and they go 6-5
Your point is stupid. Every program goes through a down season. Except Nick Saban but that's because his kids are on roids.
Zook couldn't win with Zook's recruits.
Meyer's second NC was with his own recruits, and Mattison had left by then.
Meyer led Utah to an undefeated season and a BCS bowl win, the first ever for a team from a non-AQ conference.
Yeah, Ohio will never stand for a morally-bankrupt coach even if he does win games. Real bastion of integrity down there
Urban Meyer actually understands that defense reperesents half the game, and thought it important enough to bring in top-notch assistants and recruits.
Rich Rodriguez thought it was a good idea to employ Tony Gibson.
End of discussion.
Did you hear that Meyer is contacting various former OSU players and influential alumni to be sure they are all in for him? Do you think that RR's experience at Michigan has become a lesson to any future coaches at places with long and rich football traditions about what they need to do to be successful?
Meyer probably went right out and bought 3 and Out and has carefully read it by what he has done and what his actions are right now and going forward!
Source on this? It would be a proof-like substance regarding his commitment to taking the job.
Id hire him...2 national titles where one of them was against me...but I like our chances...Greg Mattison! That defense for Florida was lights out...Just ask Troy Smith and then Ray Lewis! Id love to see McNamara from San Diego, CA come in for a visit and grab a commit! It would be great to feature the Senior Mr. Koger for 4-5 catches and 1 td saturday!!! GO BLUE! I hope there are more blue than red there tommorrow. Come on Season Ticket Holders, go to the game!!!
Ohio State 14
Urban better figure out that defense is more than half the game, because in Big Ten country it is everything. Its everything to give Denard that many opportunities. The only criticism I had was answered last game, if there not open use your legs to run! Do it this game too please! He does that and we win!
Come on man. He did really well at Iowa State!
GERG and Wile E. Charlie come to mind.
Meyer has had undefeated seasons and won national championships in the SEC.
Rodriguez's very best seasons included losses to South Florida and Pittsburgh.
Their resumes are not quite as similar as you suggest.
Just stop with the cupboard bare already . . . . . The main difference is that Meyer is capable and willing to adapt to the players on the roster, and Miller will fit what he wants to do. That being said, if anyone thinks that he's going to romp over whatever that division is called, they are simply wrong.
Meyer coached in the SEC, won two national championships, and coached a Heisman Trophy winner. He also had a perfect season at Utah before he went to Florida.
There is no comparison between Rich Rodriguez and Urban Meyer.
There is no comparison
In terms of offensive coaching they're comparable for sure.
In terms of defensive coaching, Urban Meyer hired Greg Mattison, Rich Rodriguez hired Greg Robinson and Tony Gibson.
do you really think that with $650K and a multi-year contract that RR would have been hiring GERG?
Are you out of it enough to actually think that Rodriguez did a search and of all the candidates available and said, 'GERG is the guy I want running this defense'?
With no contract and a ~$250K budget, GERG is exactly what you are going to get every time.
Mattison, or someone like him, should have been made possible 2-3 years ago, as soon as Casteel didn't make the move.
With a $250K salary, GERG was one of the 20 highest-paid defensive coordinators in the country. The idea that he was the only guy out there willing to accept that is crazy. We were able to lure Scott Shafer away from Stanford one year earlier for less money than that.
The way Shafer was treated - undermined by his own positional coaches and then forced out after one season - almost certainly affected our DC search more than the actual money involved. (Incidentally, if your premise is correct - that no one better than GERG would accept a $250K salary - then RR was nuts to shove Shafer out the door in the first place.)
For some reason I don't think Ohio will have an internal rebellion and continued bickering as to whether Urban is a true "Ohio Man."
did not think this through.
They would, if they hired a coach that tried to rein in the out-of-control booster behavior. Then you'd be hearing that "he just doesn't get it."