Peppers at 10, which seems low.
Meyer flips ND commit Decker
so far he has flipped 3 recruits and only had 1 uncommitted player declare. He isn't going to to be making any friends any time soon.
There are no friends in recruiting. Every team for themselves.
ND's class is slowly falling apart. If Greenberry flips to USC that will be another crushing loss. On the other hand, OSU is assembling a very very good class.
I hate Notre Dame with a passion.
More than Ohio State?
I hate Notre Dame much more than Ohio State. At least Ohio State was good (I know they cheated and such, but bear with me). I cannot believe the amazing amount of attention and hype Notre Dame gets every year from ESPN and the like. I also cannot believe how good their recruiting is despite not being truly nationally relevant in the last 15 years or so (other than Reggie Bush push year). It bothers me how, despite all logic, everyone still loves to talk about them all the fucking time.
Whoa, whoa, whoa..hold on. Hey can we get a ruling on this one because I don't think it's allowed for a UM fan to hate anyone more than OSU?
Ha, also my best friend growing up was a Notre Dame fan (he was a part Irish ginger) so that helps explain on utterly irrational hatred of that institution.
why is it that when someone has some Irish blood, people are surprised when that person is not an ND fan. i had this happen to me at the Meechigan vs. ND game during Henne, Hart and Long's senior year. the ND fan asked why i was not an ND fan, being Irish and all... well i told him that i am Irish protestant, not Irish catholic.
also redheaded men are not gingers, we are Otis's.
I mean, ginger is the conventional term so I use it (not in an offensive way, just to mess around). I clearly don't have a problem with Irish or red-headed people being that my best friend is both, but it's still fun to make fun of him especially since he is a ND fan.
As my Irish dad (born in County Tipperary) always said, "Notre Dame is French, not Irish".
No, you can hate NOTHING more than tOSU as an M fan. NOTHING. I love Satan and AIDS more than I love tOSU.
SEC is up there for me these days.
Ohio quite literally lied and cheated away the better part of a decade of the rivalry. Believe me, I don't like Notre Dame and their self-righteous arrogance at all but I respect their academics. There is no evidence at ND of the sort of lying/cheating/total NCAA disregard in the last decade.
Ohio owes me ten years.
ND cheated their talented recruits of coaching
Funniest and truest thing I've read all day.
Spend just a couple of hours in Ohio and it will change your mind. Guarantee.
I lived in Toledo when I was a small boy. Gotta agree, it sucked, although we were very poor back then.
It sounds like Greenbury is just messing btw.
Wow. On the bright side, that can't hurt our chances with Diamond. Diamond has expressed concern before about depth charts, and it seems like most of our top "OT" recruits are actually destined for OG. Plus, not that this is necessarily an obstacle, but isn't Meyer working with like zero scholarships at this point?
Not anymore, Meyer is already getting rid of deadweight. Hes had 3 guys relesed from scholarship this weekend, none are starters
Urban is bringing a little bit of the SEC to the B1G.
One guy was Dominic Clark who had a lot of issues off the field. He was firing a BB gun off the roof of a campus building and just got a DUI last week. Not sure about the other kid though.
As long as he doesnt get one of ours, I am happy. He can do whatever he wants with ND and MSU commits. Did we recruit Decker?
Meyer has been able to flip recruits from PSU (Schutt), ND (Decker), & MSU (Pittman), but he has not been able to touch a recruit from Michigan's class even though Michigan's class is higher ranked than the other three. Hoke has stood tall and managed the excitement from OSU in the Urban Liar honeymoon period.
Not just that... Our class is also stocked with top talent from Ohio.
Let's be clear here because Urban Meyer doesn't deserve credit for "flipping" these guys. How these 'flips' actually happened:
- Pittman committed to MSU to save a spot in their class in the event OSU hired a shitty coach or had severe sanctions. As soon as sanctions and Urban Meyer were announced, goodbye Sparty.
- Schutt's commitment was denied by ND after getting Sheldon Day, denied by Michigan because we either had Pipkins or don't need a DT in Schutt's style, and committed to PSU. PSU had their whole crazy scandal and fired Joe Pa. He switched to OSU.
- OSU hired ND's OC and OL coach, who happen to be Decker's main recruiting contacts. Poof, OSU commit.
I'm not taking anything away from these guys' talent, but let's not annoint Urban Meyer as some grand master of flipping recruits, kind of like keeping Dunn, a lifelong Buckeye fan and already an OSU commit, isn't confirmation that Meyer will destroy Hoke in recruiting.
Ultimately, this is a kid that grew up in Ohio that was committed to ND and followed his position coach to OSU.
thanks for the post
I'm not surprised Meyer is snagging other teams recruits in his first go at ohio recruiting. There's a bit a of a buzz and he's capitalizing on it. I doubt this will be the case as much going forward. Once he's established things may be very different. Especially if the Meyer that took the ohio job is the same Meyer that struggled in his last year at Florida (post Charlie Strong). Then he's going to have a tough time stealing the bacon.
Not too surprising. His position coach and primary recruiter, Ed Warinner and Tim Hinton, from Notre Dame were recently announced as the last members of Meyer's offensive staff. Apparently those two were huge reasons that he liked Notre Dame so much. So them going to OSU made this decommitment pretty easy I'm sure.
So Meyer is actually snake-oiling other programs COACHES?! Wow what a Douchey McF@(&bag...
For all of the success Meyer has had thus far, they desperately needed (and continue to need) more depth on the OL.
This takes their offensive line depth from "Hold me, OSU-equivalent-of-TomVH" to merely "shit, shit, shit..."
Congrats I guess.....still hasn't flipped a Michigan guy or won a recruiting battle against us though
I don't know about you but when a recruit is already a verbal to Ohio (before The Liar was even hired), I don't consider that a "flip" or a "recruiting battle" won. He simply held serve and retained an existing recruit.
CURSE YOU, URBAN!
Fvck N.Dame... Fvck ohio.......... now they are equal..........
The NCAA was less concerned about the shenanigans at OSU as they were about ten minutes of stretching in Ann Arbor.
I guess I missed our bowl ban and scholarship reductions.
Meyers knew what he was doing when he hired them Notre Dame coaches. Because of the recruiting success that Columbus Community College is having, my stomach understands how an inflamed case of crohns disease must feel but with an ulcer, ugh!
How is this off topic??? I spoke to the topic and how it makes me feel Meyers is having some recruiting success. You cannot be serious!
Urban Meyer is great at recruiting and banging co-eds, what are you going to do?
for starters you can ask where was urban in 1982 and was he in Dallas hanging out with craig james. i would hate to blame CRAIG JAMES FOR HAVING KILLED FIVE HOOKERS if it was really URBAN MEYER WHO KILLED FIVE HOOKERS
Damn son....-50 points?
Recruiting is only a small portion of the battle, I still think Hoke and the staff are much better coaches.
Does hoke have 2 rings? come on, lets take off the michigan goggles for a second. Hoke is a good coach, but he hasnt done what meyer has. It is scary to think about what this guy will do in a whole year recruiting, and he doesnt have a bowl game to get ready for next year, we do. Keep in mind he is used to recruiting against other scum bags down south. besides us and ND there isint much competition up here for recruiting....
Don't be such a scared little pussy! Our coaches will hold their own no problem.
Mattison recruited Tebow. I would have to say a lot of the success of that team was tied to Tim Tebow. The other great recruits were tied to Dan Mullen and other staff members. Not saying that Urban isn't a great recruiter, but I think our staff is better.
If this class didn't pretty much fill up 5 months ago and we were still pulling in a recruit every few weeks, nobody would be this worried. Our class is amazing, but because Meyer is landing talent right now and Michigan isn't, everybody thinks it's the end of the world. He hasn't won a recruiting battle against Hoke yet (I refuse to consider him keeping Dunn as a victory. The fact that Michigan was able to get such serious interest from him says a lot.)
Meyer sold him on the fact that he would still be able to lose to michigan.
now they have 1 more slot available or will there be medical redshirts and other SEC style shenanigans to come out of Columbus.
Hes already released 3 players from scholarship this weekend none being starters.
I am not a fan of either school's football team, however having visited both campuses and considering the academics, culture, value of degree, etc...how do you vision yourself going to ND and then change to tsio. Apples and oranges.
glad to know he is making his choice based on things other than the football team and coaches...hope those coaches stay there for him for the 4-5 yrs he will be there./s
Greg Mattison is the best D cordinator in the country so Fickel (spelling) and the UNC guy can suck it.
suck to be Kelly
He was never interested in Michigan so this is of deminimus interest to me but 6'8 300 lbs with nimble feet? nice pickup...
According to the recruiting gurus at NDNation, Decker sucks and they're glad to have this dead weight out of their class. Although I didn't bother to check back furter and see what they said about him when he was a commit.
/how can such a good school have such dumb fans?
Did you get to the stuff about the Bros. Armstead canceling this out?
The Bros. Armstead are on campus as we speak. Well atleast Dad & USC Bro. While it sucks to lose Decker, OL was not a need in this class.
Take him, I don't care. We got Hoke and thats all we need.
These "flips" don't feel as much coups by Meyer as somewhat inevitable changes by kids loosely committed to the other teams. I mean, nobody expected Pittman to stay at State, and PSU has been a tire fire. Heck, UM might flip Reeves for the same reason.
As for Decker, Meyer hired his main contacts at ND, and so I'm not that surprised he shipped over.
What will be interesting to see is how Meyer handles recruiting in the next year or two with the bowl sanctions and the natural competition between Big 10 schools for recruits. Meyer had a similar "home state" advantage in Florida because of the local talent, but even there his last couple of recruiting classes were not nearly as impressive as his earlier ones. He seems like a good recruiter who relies heavily on his assistants and coordinators to pull in kids (this seems true for most coaches to vary extents), so I am intrigued to see how he does when his staff is fully assembled and other coaches "know" who they are going up against.
has not snagged any true Michgan men tells you something. They are smart and they don't have tats.
Meyer must have stolen RichRod's Wizard Hat!
OSU snake oil < Michigan snake oil
I thought Buckeye fan reaction to Brady Hoke's excellent first recruiting class at Michigan was silly - most Buckeye fans said that Hoke was a joke and that his recruiting was only a result of the turmoil at tOSU and that things would return to "normal" in 2012. Normal is now proven to include excellent recruiting at UM and a fine coaching staff headed by Hoke.
Comments by Wolverine fans who are depreciating Urban Meyer's recruiting this winter are similarly silly. Game on. This great series will once again dominate the B1G.