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Can we talk about loss of contain some more then? I mean, Kevin Leach lost contain on kick-off coverage! Twice! Kick-offs!! Twice gd it!!
This is tangential to the MgoFAQ. You should delete it.
Just to serve as an example to others foolish enough to be tangental. Is it tangental or is it tangential? Ooops, this is begining to run tangental...tangential? Doh!
Are you callin me obtuse?
Like Tom Brady and his luscious hair!
What about when the Red Wings? They're starting in a few days
Game Threads and VERY IMPORTANT news only. This should mean major trades, injuries to starters, or "yay we made the playoffs." What is very important after those three things is up to moderators themselves, but we're hoping most of it can be stuffed into game threads.
We do ask that you don't over-pollute with game threads, which is more of a Tigers thing than a Red Wings (as Tigers play every day during their season), but we're hoping to avoid daily posts on the pro teams.
You obviously post a lot of Red Wings, so please work with us as we more clearly define what important is. If we delete something you find important, the moderators (cough, especially Tim, cough) might not find it as important. Also, in game threads, leave it open to other NHL games as well (much like how the college football open threads work). Detroit can be the focus, but others, even Chicago or Pittsburgh fans can make comments on their teams, too. Okay, maybe not Pittsburgh fans.
Nothing I think this and need to share?
Isn't that the point of having MGoBoard?
Isn't that how discussions work....at least those that are non-repetitive....by tangent??
I understand the need for moderation. And overall this site is well run. And, I'm sure there are things that go on behind the scenes that go on, relative to policing the boards, that we're not aware of.
But. I'm disappointed by what seems like an abundance of locks today.
The thread about the hot reporter is related to a game broadcast....not like that person just brought up a random reporter.
The guy who posted his thoughts on the game and made the disclaimer that he was venting... at least he was straightforward about it.
The thread about breakfast in East Lansing....once again was in reference to a game broadcast. Seems fine to me. Plus it was amusing. Furthermore, it has to do with an establishment in the state of Michigan. I've never heard of that restaurant before, and so was grateful for the info. I'll check that place out next time I'm in Lansing.
All three of those threads seem legit to me. Especially the third one. Just my $0.02 though.
EDIT: To use an analogy on why I think what I said above....
Saying the threads I mention above aren't allowed is like saying tailgating shouldn't be allowed at football games in real life. After all, what do beer and brats have to do with football? They're totally extraneous, off-topic if you will, have nothing to do with what goes on on the field.
College football doesn't occur in a vacuum. There's a whole network of other things that interact with it. That's why it has more personality than the NFL. Are those other things technically about football, in a strict sense? No. But, even though they don't happen on the field, they're a part of the game. To ignore them and say they can't be talked about on the board is restricting conversation about some of the things that give college football its personality. Since this site is, after all, about college football (among other college sports) it doesn't make much sense that these other things shouldn't be allowed to be discussed.
But did it say in Brian's in-season rules thread that "Nothing tangential to an existing topic."? Because if it's on topic, it's on topic, no? And tangential by definition means, related, but different, no? So it's not a duplicate. How about we let a few more threads about dining go through, and maybe consolidate all the "OUR DEFENSE SUCKS, WE'LL NEVER WIN AGAIN" or the "QUITE BEING CRYBABIES WE'RE GOING WIN ALL OUR GAMES BECAUSE WE BEAT U-MASS BY 4" threads, instead of having 3 pages of them, huh?
Nothing tangential? I'll just create 25 of the exact same threads.
You're overlooking one extremely important fact: All of those threads were dumb.
My man speaks the truth.
I'm not opposed to tangential topics, but this level is absolutely insane. It's true, I dont care about some random guy's cool bro story. In the offseason, it's usually fine because the volume is low enough that there are only 20ish new threads in the Mgoboard a day. During the season, it's just endless noise. Maybe that drives you to read every single thread on the site. For me, it does the exact opposite. Look at the 75+ new threads today. How many of them would you say are good threads that contribute to discussion?
I view Mgoblog as sort of the ultimate aggregator of Michigan content. I come here mainly for links to interesting stories on Michigan, as well as the analysis of a select few people. In that Mgoblog is great. It's just unfortunate when that's pushed behind pages of "Well gee, this is how I feel, and that's just your opinion, man."
Completely on topic about Michigan, AND monumentally stupid? I think we're pruning the misshapen fruit, but leaving tons of rotten fruit on the tree.
The negative opinion post was locked bc dude was getting blasted and there was little discourse as opposed to ripping and neg bombing. The post was left up bc he's allowed to have his opinion- peoples immature reactions warranted it.
Talking about how hot a reporter is does not pass the smell test as I understand it. It's sexist also.
Don't you mean, sexy-ist?
And it's the best college football blog in the country. Coincidence? I think Brian's been pretty clear about trying to maintain the intelligence level of the board. People obviously should be posting with criticisms of todays game, but after a win it's frustrating and annoying to read things like 500 word rants about how some dumbass is convinced that RichRod will fail.
richrod won't fail.
it's frustrating and annoying to read things like 500 word rants about how some dumbass is convinced that RichRod will fail.
Just b/c you don't agree with it doesn't mean it shouldn't be posted. The guy was giving his opinion after he saw a defense get shredded by an FCS team. He had some legit points. Just b/c it flew in the face of the MGOcult "support RichRod or get negged" theme, doesn't mean its off topic or a repeat. If a guy can't post an honest opinion and have it be seriously discussed, what good is this blog? I agree, maybe he should have waited until the fallout from the game subsided, but I didn't think the post was inappropriate.
Maybe the mods want to remove all dissenting opinions about RR. Thats fine I guess, b/c its Brian's blog and he can do what he wants, but that should be made clear in the FAQ and site rules.
I'll just read from now on
This is the only blog in the country where you can't speak your mind.
Seeing as I do not wish to know what goes on in your "mind," I'll consider that a good thing.
Also, just to further emphasize jmblue's point:
I'll just read from now on.
Yes. Please do.
people say shit online all the time they would never say straight to someones face. I don't think I really want to hear the opinions of these people. Mods, thank you in advance for deleting stupid shit before I waste my time.
Like, everyone has an opinion man, it doesn't mean it's worth saying out loud, and especially not posted on a blog.
Negged for breaking your own rule.
but I just got docked 250 points for "Trolling on my fake account." Lol? Can someone explain this one?
Don't be a douche? And what's your alias?
All my comments have been innocuous and I have no alias. I've been logged into this account at all times. I'm genuinely curious to hear the explanation.
And not sure maybe they got the same ip address from both accounts?
Maybe a misunderstanding??
If someone that's on your same network (has same IP) also has an account here, maybe the wrong conclusion was made....
or an explanation in a thread somewhere? I'm over here trying to make a post about the tackles then BAM pwned.
I haven't seen any post like that.....My post above was pure conjecture about how something like that could've happened.
Well, I'm on a secured wireless network with me and my wife. Maybe she's not actually sleeping right now, but instead making MGoBlog accounts and posting stupid shit. That has to be it.
I wasn't involved in that and know nothing of it.
I was looking forward to leaving my commentary on Rebecca Harlow
We obsess over M football all year long, both enjoying and enduring the good/bad stuff, and it's stressful at times (see Michigan secondary stories for the past four months). Need a few "slightly OT, yet still college FB related" stories. Oh, and stories about NCAAFB related hotties are always welcome, IMO.
For example, ever really checked out the Oregon chearleaders? Yummy!
No. This site RULEZ. Get it straight.
We will let pro sports topics slide even during football season
...from the MGoBoard FAQ, which, I saw nothing about 'except Lions thread on Sunday'
From the Moderator Action info thread- (FA)
Brian has decreed to allow Detroit sports teams only. That or college sports that may at least be tangentially attached to Michigan/Ann Arbor.
And that was posted Friday morning.
Maybe the mods should all get on the same page, because if they don't understand what they're supposed to be doing, how can we?
Though, I'm thinking maybe the mods time might be better off getting rid of trolls before they hit -400, like last night, rather than worrying about threads....but MGoBlog's priorities seem to be different. Say as much stupid crap as you want, as long as you don't create a thread for it. (Unless a mod remembers your rantings fondly, and lets the thread go).
I think the suggestion about more actively looking out for people with like -400 points and banning is a good one.
I also think people who are mods should be labelled as such, just so we can know who they are. (Like, "Mod" in parentheses after their name)
And also that locked topics should state who it was locked by and why.
This is standard MO on most forums. As things stand now the locking of threads is phantom and seems somewhat arbitrary at times. It's something that just doesn't look good.
Once again, I'm giving people the benefit of the doubt and assuming the best intentions, because overall this site is well-run, but those are a couple suggestions.
Though the mod who wrote this thread doesn't seem to have contributed to it very recently...might be a protocol breakdown there, too. (Are we not following Brian's rules?) While others seem to post there a lot.
But it's not comprehensive. I didn't even realize "PAulVB" was a mod until today. I've never seen him in the "list" given of FA, Geaux, Tim, etc.
It is obvious that Geaux is on a power trip as a Mod. He needs to be put in his place.
Paul came over in the VarsityBlue merger as well. He doesn't moderate often. He just happened to do the CiL for us yesterday, and that lead to him being on the board more than usual. He is definitely on page with the rest of us.
I looked at his history, and he had a lot of cred. I'm just saying, when people have asked in the past "who are the mods, anyway" and you or others have said "well, ......" I've never seen him listed. And can't remember him doing any moderating.
And I'm sure he's on page with you...but are you all on the same page? The thread author thinks only Lions are ontopic...and you think all Detroit sports (in moderation) are. Seems like there's multiple pages.
And unlike what a lot of people are saying I actually confirmed a couple weeks ago that we COULD have pro discussion bc I welcome and enjoy it. I brought up Lions in the same way FA did above - the other sports occur so often compared to NFL Sunday.
The main point of this thread is that there were 5 different threads on pro sports after a week of bands, sexy reporter (which is sexist and the RCMB stuff Brian has said he wants to avoid). People were being destroyed for OT posts in the comments for not knowing the shift.
Also half the things I got ripped on for in this thread I didn't do
Nothing professional sports (except the Lions thread on Sunday).
Just above..up there...
Look, we know you know the rules...but you're doing a pretty bad job of communicating them, which is why people are saying "What, no pro threads??"
Most of what happened last night, I was asleep for. That said, if something is locked, the moderator either thinks that the content was stupid/should be downvoted/so negative, that for teh sanity of the board, people just get it out of their system and move on. Because the thread is locked in a few of those situations, the moderator doesn't have to do the arbitrary point deduction of the OP, and the points system can be allowed to work on its own.
If something is that stupid, negbomb it. If something resonates with you, but is very negative, vote what you want, if you want, and come back tomorrow after you've had some time to relax.
It's just the other ones, the "tangential" ones, that seemed kinda pointless. Endless YOU SUCK posts are a better call to freeze than info on a restaurant that could be gone to on a Big Ten road trip. Or a tv announcer (after midnight).
I think some people get a little taste of authority and like to throw their weight around. This sight is extremely well run and moderated, with the exception of a certain Mod that seems to have to puff his/her chest out every now and again.
"I don't know what you're referring to, but maybe if certain older, wiser people hadn't acted like such little babies, and gotten so mushy, then everything would be ok... and I think certain older people, like you, and your colleague, shouldn't be leching after their students, especially when some of them can't even get their own wives pregnant... and they certainly shouldn't be making slanderous accusations, especially when certain young, naive peoples' mothers are paralegal secretaries at the cities biggest law firm, and have won many successful law suits, and if you want to keep questioning me like this, I won't continue without my attorney present."
wtf are you talking about?
From the movie Election.
Whenever someone references "certain people" when they actually mean "that guy everyone knows I am actually talking about," I think of this extremely funny exploitation of that conceit. I think a couple people got it. I'm mostly sad that I saw that movie in college and it's now 11 years old.
But authority tastes SO GOOD. If I ever got mod privileges around here I'd go b-a-n-a-n-a-yeahs drunk with power so fast.
Screenshot saved for your confirmation hearing so your toadies can't scrub the record. Sucker!
If I would've looked down just a bit I could've just replied to your post. I agree 100%. Dude needs to get a life.
I'm not going to lie, if I were a mod I would have been cracking skulls a lot earlier in the week than today. No wait, I take that back. I would have created a "sub-Mgoboard" for all of the content not fit for the actual Mgoboard (which is already discussions and epinions not fot for the diaries), and made negbanging free for any thread that's moved there.
That's my prescription for making everybody feel better: mob justice with a few sure to be meltdowns thrown in the mix.
Also something to consider: when there's this much crap posted after a close win, how bad do you think it'll be after any sort of loss?
Mostly about the game? So it'd be on-topic. Stupid, yes, as you say. But apparently that's not a problem.
I suppose this is the normal progression of things. There is a subset of new "mods" recently empowered to impose their particular brand of acceptability on the proceedings.
Having an open thread deleted today, because it was too close to another open thread, just to have ANOTHER mod basically create the same thread a few hours later. Which then required a third thread later, so by deleting one we got 3+.
This is a pretty cool oblique slapfight. I think the one thing that is abundantly clear is that this is a place for discussion with boundaries, not a free-for-all. People are going to prefer different levels of board totalitarianism. I don't care. I'm sure the evolving sensibilities of the blog illuminati will continue to fine tune the balance between creating a place we can feel is our own and a place free from the beastly tendencies that fester in the unfettered internet.
This is why I don't create any threads. I can't be on the board all day long, so I miss many topics. Create a topic that already went through six hours ago, and the penalty is virtual castration and negbang. Start a topic you think others might be interested in? Surely someone will bang you 'cause they don't think it's relevant.
Seriously, I think posters and mods could lighten up at times. IMO, a few OT threads help fill the void between games and maybe steer us away from beating dead horses (How many games does RRod have to win this year?) so often.
We are all M fans, but have different interests that reveal themselves over time. For example, I love how the topic of craft beer pops up from time to time and the opinions/recommendations roll in. Good stuff, and as someone else pointed out, FB doesn't happen in a vacuum. Slightly OT provides M football stress relief sometimes.
Exactly! You are spot on, my friend. I'm in the same boat with you.
There needs to be an OT board.
Sooner than later.
If you take away all the tangential posts and even some of the random posts, you take away what makes Mgoblog different from other college football blogs. I like reading about what others think about Ann Arbor bars, or seeing the M emblazoned go kart that some guy is trying to sell. I like having the occasional hilarious thread with just the thinnest connection to Michigan football. I probably wouldn't read this blog on a regular basis if it was just about Michigan football in the strictest, most factual sense.
My suggestion is this: make Football Saturdays a sacred day but let some of the random content flow on all other days. On Football Saturdays, you can only post about the games that are being played that day. I think opinions about the games should be welcomed, too. Sure, some people are drunk when they write, but isn't that part of college football? I say, if you're going to edit, edit those who can't put together a sentence. But let the outpouring of (sometimes unreasonable and outrageous) emotion stand.
I like reading about what others think about Ann Arbor bars, or seeing the M emblazoned go kart that some guy is trying to sell.
Those are both MGoKosher, as long as you aren't turning mgoblog into a place to sell all your mgopossessions. That's one reason that we moved tickets to their own thread. We're not craigslist of Michigan stuff.
Thinnest connection is tough. I'm one to let things go, like ricksline.com. That was awesome, and definitely related to Ann Arbor, so I can see that being fine. Other mods, like Tim (always my example for a short leash on content), may not.
I wouldn't want to turn Mgoblog into Craig's List at all - maybe that was a bad example. I just think this is a really unique community - passionate about M football, well-informed, and well-read and witty as well. Many of the members have the ability to be tangential and relevant at the same time. Let's not lose that element of the blog.
So for you to say that the only appropriate OT is the Lions game today is complete bs. Either both the Lions and Tigers can be discussed today, or neither.
Check out some of my responses. I think it fleshes out the details a bit more.
I flat out made SURE we could have sports talk. It was a reference to general threads and posts of last night. I've STARTED tigers and lions posts
I just read this post this morning, didn't know. Just wanted to make sure none of our local pro sports teams weren't getting shafted at the expense of another.