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Patrick Hruby is doing God's work.
first comment: "EVERY ATHLETE HAS ASPIRATIONS OF WINNING AND WE HAVE OUR FAVORITES BUT IT IS ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO OTHER STUDENTS ACHIEVE THEIR GOALS, TOO!"
stupid Pistons and their refusal to tank properly
rundown of Michigan's riser
needs moar usage
so much for that
This list is completely arbitrary and not a genuine analysis of the relative merits of state fossils.
will be michigan's highest pick in a while
money has to go somewhere
I am only motivated by people who have no opinion about me.
the just released schedules were a flat-out statement that the B10 doesn't believe SOS will matter in playoff selection
but I thought that draft was supposed to be incredibly loaded?
If you're gonna go please be in the first round.
another delightful side effect of a 14 team conference
Is that a Game of Thrones reference?
it is a CJK5H reference.
Craig James killed 5 dire wolves? Allegedly.
an attempt to steal food from poor people. But some comment from above--and attempt to address the issue--would be appreciated.
I'm not sure how this is really ripping off Odom's charity. The "Eatin" motion and talk was a pretty big theme for the team last year, and as you can tell by the multitude of shirts in the store pretty much every theme from last year has a shirt. Would be cool for the Mgostore to give the proceeds to Odoms' charity but I don't see it as any ethical obligation.
And Butterfield, you don't have to be such a dick about it.
Come on, Herm. It was a theme for last year's team because guys like Denard were doing it to raise awareness of the charity. It wasn't something they did and then decided to form a charity around the concept. So yes, every shirt sold with this theme that doesn't benefit Hope for Pahokee is, essentially, reducing the donations to Hope for Pahokee by that same amount.
The swag is back.
Really? Because from what I can tell, the first dated post at HopeforPahokee is from February 2012, months after the team was doing the #eating thing. Maybe Odoms started it much earlier, but I know I didn't hear about it or see any reference to it on this blog until after the season ended.
apparent facts were not good enough. Are you a member of the media, or are you practicing for a postition?
Odoms came out with the shirt long after the eating motion was used in a game. Negging posts won't chage that.
May you have a strong foundation
When the winds of changes shift
Negging posts? I haven't moderated a post except the first day I discovered I had those powers.
I only know what I've heard as to the origin of the charity, but Hope for Pahokee was created in 2011 from what I have previously read. Shirts may not have been sold until 2012, but the #Eating concept raising awareness of HfP preceded the shirts by months (again, heresay, but no more so than anything you said).
Except that Denard specifically said that the eating was because Michigan was finally eating, i.e., winning. Don't you think he'd mention a charity at that point if that's what it was about?
fact that someone is negging posts. The hopeforpahokee.com domain was registered in February of 2012, feel free to look it up, I wouldn't want you to accept heresay.
I support Odoms efforts. My problem lies with your personal smear campaign, twisting events to fit your warped filter.
Like you're maing this up as you go. I don't find this surprising as I have found to be an arguementative ass in just about every thread I see you post in. In this case you had a decent point but as usual you went overboard when trying to make it and made no friends in doing so.
I actually didn't know about the Martavious Odoms Presents shirt until the other day when the thread Butterfield describes took place. When I learned about Odoms' shirt and that the proceeds would be donated to Pahokee, I ordered one. Just FWIW.
"You will suffer humiliation when the team from my area defeats the team from your area." -- The Onion
It's tough being Blue in Columbus!!!
Dave Brandon wasn't the one who did it, therefore Brian can't muster any outrage.
"Here we are at Ohio Stadium, in front of 10,000 alumni and 74,000 truck drivers." - Bob Ufer
I have to agree that it's wrong and secondly I don't even think its that cool of a shirt. The #EATING one by Hope for Pahokee is a better shirt in my opinion. So that's two things against it, rip off and a bad one at that.
It would be magnanimous of Mgoblog to curtail sales of the shirt, but by no means are they "ripping off" Odoms' foundation. That foundation didn't come up with the concept; they only chose it as a way of using the idea for a good cause. Let's not get carried away here.
the sales to Hope for Pahokee.
Wow. Who is going around negging all the comments that point out that this is NOT a rip off. Using the same word, but having a very different looking shirt is not the same at all. Personally, while I'm not in the market for either shirt, I would never want to wear the charity one, but I like the MGoBlog one a lot.
If another site sold a shirt similar to this one with a slight style change but same saying on it and didn't give any proceeds to Jalen's charity would that bother you?
Slight style change? It's a completely different design. As in, it has a design.
But, honestly, that wouldn't really bother me, anyway. There's nothing really unique about the shirt, so if someone wanted to make a Jalen Rose #5 shirt and sell it, I would have no problem with it. (I don't know if there are any issues with getting permission from Rose to use his name, but there likely are, but that's a separate issue.)
My point is that if another site was selling a shirt that was in the same context as one that the MGoBlogStore was selling but not helping the former Michigan players charity we would take issue with it. The "Eatin'" one isn't that clever of a design and I would've liked it if we sold the charity one instead like we do with Jalen's shirt. Could've been a big oversight that wasn't realized but I honestly don't know how Six Zero didn't see the comments in the first thread questioning it when he was posting in that thread.
Edit: He didn't post in that thread but I find it highly unlikely he didn't read the first few comments.
Most likely possibility: UGP already printed hundreds of the shirts, so they want to sell as many as possible before pulling the shirt?
"It would be a travesty, it would be ridiculous to all of a sudden come back and get the feeling back, get the health back, feel good again and then all of a sudden go throw some other colors on my shirt and go coach."
I'm sure they have just such a nefarious plot in mind...
If people want to support the charity then they can buy the Pahokee shirt (or donate directly). If they are just interested in the design of the MGoStore shirt then they can buy that one. Personally, I don't like the design of the Pahokee shirt, so I wouldn't consider buying it. However, I like the MGoStore design and might buy it. I'm an adult and can make my own decision. Hopefully others can too, so unless that saying is trademarked by Hope for Pahokee, then I don't know why this is such a big deal.
An important fact that I have not seen stated in this thread is: which shirt came first?
Your mom came first. FACED.
Intensity is a lot of guys that run fast.
You deserve it for all your frozen concentrated orange juice shenanigans.
Clarence Beeks got locked in a cage with a horny gorilla at the end of Trading Places...
He's paid his dues, now you're just piling on.
I'll never forgive him for pointing a gun at my friend, Lionel.
"I cannot think of a better person to guide our university's athletic strategy than the inventor of The Noid."
Odom's shirt came first and the guys from Florida (Denard, Odoms, etc) popularized the entire Eating meme.
C'mon this just isn't true. Half the nfl was doing this dance last year, I love me some Denard but they didn't start the dance or popularize it to the extent that a lot of people think they did.
The only reason anyone would want that shirt in Michigan colors is because of the Michigan players who made the Eatin' gesture. I don't want it because some NFL player did it, I am aware of 'Eating' because Odoms, Denard, etc did it. I don't see some pro player on some team do a dance and then go "Oh I want that shirt referencing that in Michigan colors". Our current players brought it into this ecosystem and they're trying to send some money Pahokee's way since that gesture did take off.
Let them have it. This blog's entire revenue stream is based off their efforts, let them have their effort and stick some other shirt in the store. There are all kinds of other Michigan themes that could take its place.
I personally have also never seen anyone else do it, primarily I assume because I only casually follow the NFL.
If it's handled well by MGoBlog - and I bet it will be, eventually - this could be really nice exposure for Odoms and the rest of the kids he worked with.
I suspect that Brian has been busy with start-of-season stuff and will take care of this (and that doing so might be tricky with Underground Printing being involved, ads needing to be redesigned, etc.).
I feel much less charitable toward Six Zero.
Yes, I definitely wish the OP had been calmer in his post and toned it down. Save the hate mail for when we're in week two of the season and this shirt is stil for sale/the issue unhandled.
Edit: Just like that the issue is handled by Brian as I type this.
I don't know man. It seems like there are quite a few better ways to handle this and it doesn't seem like, based on your post, those have been tried yet.
(Also, rip-off is a very strong word for a shirt idea that literally everyone thought of when the players started doing it last year. If that's a 'rip-off', then I want credit for the Shoelaces shirt, the dreadlocks shirts, Hokemania shirts and the Mike Martin hulk smash shirts people created because I came up with those ideas before anyone made shirts for them.)
I get #eating is a great cause, but this isn't the right way to go about it. Wayyy more vinegar in this post than required.
I'm not into design patents, but the two shirts are substantially different. On a lot of levels. Can no one use the word "eatin'" or "eating" anymore on a shirt?
Your request for a response is reasonable. Your request to have the shirt pulled or all the profits donated is not. My guess is that the shirt is already made and it is not in the cards to suddenly throw out all the shirts or donate all proceeds (or profits) on it.
I like your post in that it brings attention to the very worthwhile cause Odoms has started. Maybe a nice thing the folks at MGoStore could do would be to link to the cause so people can buy whichever shirt (or both if they want).
Nobody said it was illegal. The discussion isn't about law. It's about ethics.
Just that the two shirts seem completely different to me. I'm not sure how there is anything "unethical" about this at all.
It seems like the OP seems to think this is a deliberate rip-off of Odoms' cause. I think it's a completely different idea and executed completely differently.
I also give the benefit of the doubt to the MGoStore folks as I have not seen them rip-off other people before. I also have to think that they've got a bunch of shirts that they were hoping to sell and could lose a lot of money if they don't sell.
I'm not sure exactly what happened here, but I'm going to notify Brian about it. I'm not sure that he's even aware of this concern.
All I ask, is that we all please calm down and give Brian a chance to address the concern of the MGoUsers. Brian can not patrol this board all on his own. That's why he has moderators, like myself that do it for him. If anybody has screwed up here, it's us, the moderators. Personally, I didn't know that this was a concern until this evening. Brian makes every effort to address the concerns of the people that frequent the blog. This site gets, in the neighborhood, of 6 million page views a month. I'm sure you can imagine the large amounts of e-mail that Brian receives. If he has not answered your e-mails, it doesn't mean that he isn't interested in your concerns or that he doesn't feel that they are valid.
I'm simply the photographer for the site. I don't make executive decisions, but I do have direct contact with Brian. I will do my best to make sure that he is aware of this concern.
"It's great to be a Michigan Wolverine!!"
You don't think Six Zero read the FIRST comment on his post announcing the new shirts?
You know this dance wasn't invented by Odoms right? You know they didnt start doing the dance to help Pahokee right? If anything the shirt will bring more awareness to a great cause but your indignation is a little over the top. Email Brian if you are so pissed, I think he will handle it better then you have.
At the end of the day I like the MGoStore and I like Six-Zero. That said.
In my mind Odoms has the prior art on this. His #Eating concept came first. The players from Florida popularized it with the eating gesture*, the charity he established made use of the Eating hashtang, and started out the idea of clothing. I would prefer that Six-Zero's shirt simply cease to exsist or the profits for that specific shirt be redirected to the charity.
Secondly I do feel as if the blog has been dodging this issue. Concern over that shirt was the first comment made in the unveiling thread and the comments replying to it supported that comment. There was no reply by anyone associated with the business end of MGoBlog.
My personal view is that if this shirt remains for sale with profits returning to the blog, UGP (email@example.com) and Moe Sport Shops (firstname.lastname@example.org) will be getting an email informing them of my displeasure and the fact while that shirt is for sale, my business will be going to one of the sports shops that isn't a partner of MGoBlog (Ulrichs, M-Den,etc). I'd encourage others to do the same.
I'd have much rather seen one of the gag Upton shirts get greenlight and moved en masse to the tasteless party boy market demographic. As it stands this entire ecosystem is built on the backs of students who do it all for scholarships (assuming they're not a walkon) as amateurs. The entire field already makes a tidy profit off their image and efforts, which is one of the reasons many people, including Brian, have argued that these students deserve cost of living stipends and the like. To turn around and issue something that might even come close to cutting into the charity efforts of one of these individuals, after arguing they deserve more compensation, is just unacceptable to me. Brian rants and rails about Brandon selling us out and all that, but he has no issue dropping a product that at the very least brushes up against the fundraising efforts of current and former players, I really just have to shake my head at that.
*The only time I've seen this gesture in my life was when players in winged helmets did it. The NFL may have done it and all that, but the concept of 'Eating' is marketable to the Michigan fanbase because of what players on our roster from Florida did.
While the players certainly popularized the 'eating' stuff, they did so BEFORE Hope for Pahokee existed, and before the fundraising effort. It'd be like if it turned out Hoke decided to create the "Fedgodsakes Foundation" to battle cancer. Sure, he popularized the phrase, but it entered the lexicon without the correlation to the philanthropic efforts.
They no longer call me Bisbiño
Six-Zero's shirt comes after Odoms had clearly attempted to claim the phrase and stake it out for charitable purposes. I agree Odoms likely did not use the phrase thinking "I'm going to use this a charity tagline". However he was attempt to go back and use that phrase was one prior to this shirt. His desire to use it charity does predate Six Zero's shirt.
I'll channel my inner blue hair and simply go with:
"A Michigan Man should not be releasing for profit products based on the words and actions of a player, when that player is attempting to use those words for charitable fundraising."
Odoms clearly used it for a shirt before Six Zero. I'm just saying that it wasn't like the only reason Six would have known the phrase was from the Pahokee stuff. Presumably he learned of it the same way I did (from the players during the season), and may have been unaware of the prior appropriation of the phrase.
I agree that they should make good on this, and Brian's comments below seem to indicate they will. I'm just suggesting that it was likely a coincidence rather than a nefarious effort.
**Preface: I am in no way involved in the MGoStore stuff, and have no input in the whole shirt thing**
Generally speaking, posting actual concerns in the comments is a terrible way to communicate with Brian, and is not even an especially reliable way to be sure information has been relayed to a poster if they don't respond. If you have a serious concern, you can e-mail mgoblog (at) gmail.com. Or you can contact one of the mods (who are on the board WAY more often than Brian/Ace/etc.), who can relay information to the appropriate party.
I will email Six-Zero and Brian momentarily to make sure they were aware of the situation. I don't know if they will respond to the OP, but the information will be in their possession this evening.
As to the issue itself, I think it's important to note that the phrase "we're eatin'" pre-dates the creation of the Hope for Pahokee shirt. It was a statement made during the season, and Odoms didn't start HFP until after he stopped playing (I'm not even sure it would have been NCAA permissible for an active player). Also, I consider myself one of the more attentive Michigan fans and MGoBlog users, and I had almost completely forgotten about the Hope for Pahokee shirt, let alone the design. I didn't even note the correlation when I first saw the shirts, and I didn't notice any comments about it in the thread. So to attribute Six Zero's design (which is completely different from Odoms') to maliciousness when an equally (if not more) plausible explanation is inadvertant correlation is a leap I'm not willing to make/
Finally, there are ways to make a point without subsequently being a jackass in the comments. Just a thought.