Good riddance, a--hole!
META: A message from former moderator profitgoblue
Are you starting some sort of fight club wherein you just yell at and/or beat the shit out of yourself? I could see why that would take up a lot of your time. Also, this board is just like anything else. I think when you say it isn't what it was, that is applicable to many different things in life. I think it is human nature to decide "It ain't what it used to be". My second kid is on the way as well. You'll never regret not spending enough time on MGoBlog. You will regret not spending enough time on family...
You make a good very point. When my second was born it wasn't that time-consuming because teeny babies just sleep a lot. Now that the youngest is 1 and running around wreaking havoc, there is a LOT less time. And nothing is more enjoyable than chasing those two rascals around. Plus, work seems to be getting busier so my online time during the day is getting more scarce. And to be honest, it just became much less enjoyable being the "bad" guy all the time.
Your desire for privacy will be fully and responsibly respected, if you choose not to answer. [See how mature we are here?]
Whatever they're named (and I do like Cooper and Lily), they will thank you for your transfer of focus. Kids take a lot of attention, but they're a lot more fun than many of us, even when they're snarky or obnoxious.
Are you starting some sort of fight club wherein you just yell at and/or beat the shit out of yourself?
I am Jack's cold sweat.
Either you've had a busy posting day, or you gave yourself a nice going away present in mgopoint form.
Either way, thanks for your service as a mod to the board.
I assumed the bump would give me voting privileges at well but I guess it takes more than 200 points to do so.
Heh. Stupid idiot. I dare you to neg me.
Damn you straight to Bolivia! (Hint, JGB and LSA, hint)
Just in case the tone of my post didn't come through, I wasn't looking for any explanation. Just some good old fashioned chop busting.
Great, now we can set more time aside for Call of Duty. ANIMALMOTHER74 obliges.
I thought he'd never shut up. Geez, buddy, yeah you used to be a moderator. Great. Pfft. Like we give a shit. Good riddance. I wonder how long it'll be till he's posting under that stupid new name.
RDT, is that you?
"The Board is a great place but it just doesn't have the same feel as it used to. I can't place my fingers on it and I don't want to go negative, but it just doesn't feel the same. "
Maybe because you're all growed up
a lot of it on thought police. Not the moderators, like profitgoblue himself and BiSB, all the mods are very fair with what is tolerated and what is not, but there are too many "board accepted opinions" in which all detractors are mocked without anybody really taking the time to read or understand their point. Many of these board accepted opinions are either out and out incorrect or extremely biased, but are protected and upheld with intensity, i.e. uniformz are always bad and always ugly no matter the team or the circumstance (many are actually pretty cool), and criticizing coaches is the same as substituting your expertise for theirs (it is not, judging coaching performance is a fun and valuable part of fandom).
At least the thought police say so -- personally, I only read the first line of your post before my marching orders came down.
I do agree that half the comments that are down-voted are simly unpopular opinions (often well-articulated) or fly in the face of something Brian said (or something similar). I do think that opposing opinions (and opposing fans) should be quite welcome, as long as they are done respectfully.
And yes, criticizing coaches is a cathartic thing that us as fans can often (right or wrong). So who wants to start this one? I'll bite: I used to think that Red was a heck of a coach, but after this season I think the game has passed him by. Time to find a new coach!
"The Board is a great place but it just doesn't have the same feel as it used to."
I can suggest a cure, Brian.
I see everyone clamoring for a re-emergence of the "neg-bang", but I am curious about its specifics since I was not privy to the existence of this site at the time. Will a certain number of negs result in banishment, temporary or permanent? Sorry if it's in the site FAQ.
No, there was just no limit to the number of points that a post could accumulate in either direction and the points affected your point total, so trolls were easily handled by the board members instead of moderators.
Those were the days.
The intentional Negbang threads were some of the greatest threads in existence.
And I plan on being the first person to start one once the point accumulation system goes back into effect.
were you "clued in" on you way out (as it were) about changes to the system? do tell, or were confidentiality agreements the price of escape?
I have previously seen posted (if my memory serves it was by Brian himself) that the "old" point system will be returned.
I personally have not been around for that system, but like it in theory
Brian mentioned that the site was heading for a revamp, which will include a return to something approximating the old point system. Due to land some time this spring/summer, I think.
And as you're well aware, you can't start a post if you don't have enough points.
All in all, the proverbial "Neg Bomb" generally gave people a moment of pause before unleashing their inner douchiness for fear of getting negged.
but the negging seems to be feely given nowadays. This may be what the poster formerly known as profitgoblue was having a hard time putting his finger on with the board. Folks are quick to neg someone for something that in the grand scheme isn't a big deal, but is slightly inaccurate and...here we go. Its a lot like some arguments I have with my wife...some people don't leave enough room for someone to make a mistake and then say sorry and move on.
three-four years ago. I don't think there's any doubt that the collective IQ was higher when 10 wildly enthusiastic people--most of them close to the action--were dominating the posting, but this place still cooks at times. Best of luck and thanks for your contribution.
Yeah, I go back and forth about whether it's worse now or that's just typical nostalgia for something that wasn't as good as we think it was. If there's an explanation for why it might be different/worse, my best guess is that as MGoBlog has become the clear go-to site for Michigan sports, it's pulling in a much broader population of internet-using Michigan fans. Before, MLive would attract a certain type, the Free Press and News would attract another, etc., leaving MGoBlog with a very particular personality profile, but I think those days are probably gone. Regardless, I still almost always enjoy my time on here and want to see more board posts.
So you're saying us noobs aren't good enough for "the show"?
/sulks away to corner with head down
for your contributions. I don't know how people have the time to invest, but I appreciate your investments. Btw, first post on this thread from your new account made me lol. Best to you.
pgb. I'm sure it is a thankless job, despite the very best efforts of all of the posters to make it easy.
Small children leave little time for the interwebs. I dont think I would ever try to be a moderator. Must be so hard to try to be impartial. At any rate, you didn't seem like a douche. So there's that.
So you were a pretty good mod. I know we've had our differences in the past, but I really thought you did a good job on the board. I'm sure being a mod is a thankless job. Good luck with returning to normal posting!
thanks for the hard work PGB.
Where's FuMan Blue to thank you for helping him out of Bolivia?
Uhhhh, embarrassingly he eventually violated his parole and was sent back to Bolivia. But those were definitely good times! That thread was one of my favorites of the posbang era. I wonder how FormerlyAnonymous, ZoneLeft, and Geaux Blue felt about it . . .
HAHAHAH! ANOTHER ONE FALLS!
GREED! ANARCHY! CORRUPTION!
MGoBoard will soon fall...
Let's make Kropotkin proud.
I always respected the hell out of the job you did poster formally known as profitgoblue. Thank you for all your work over the years-it may have gone unacknowledged but never unappreciated.
As far as the board changing I would say it stems directly back to the change in our voting powers. Back in the day when mob rule ran the site a wayward poster could get hammered and hammered hard by their peers. Conversely, good posters were rewarded by same.
Moving that power from the rank and file to the mods changed the dynamic here IMO and not for the better. Hopefully it does get restored soon and the "old board" comes back with it.
When we were all able to neg the troll or reward an awesome comment things seemed a little less mlive-ish That said, the site is generally far above most other user-generated sports sites. I thank Profit for his work (I can't believe it has been 2 years...) and good luck in mod retirement. May it be filled with golf and hitting on younger women.
Now what do we have to do to get the old points system restored? I know this has been brought up time and again over the past few years but has Brian ever given an answer on if this is something that might return? Can we get a kickstarter going or something?
What I find objectionable, and somewhat different than when I joined about three+ years ago, is that there seems to be a lot more of the short, cutesy back and forth responses which really don't deal with the substance of the thread, something which no one will "neg" someone about, because the comments are innocuous. What they do, though, is cause a member to have to go through a large number of posts to see a post that contains a well thought out response.
Thanks, Profitgoblue, for the time you have put in to help our community.
In a thread about profitgoblue ending his tenure as a mod. Causing a member to have to go through posts not concerning the actual topic of the thread.
This was one of Profitgoblue's comments in his post, which, to some extent, suggested that the feel of Mgoblog had changed. I agreed with his assessment and gave my reasons why.
"The Board is a great place but it just doesn't have the same feel as it used to. I can't place my fingers on it and I don't want to go negative, but it just doesn't feel the same."
I'm glad you're sticking around, even if in a reduced role. You've always been one of my favorite internet personalities on this site and I enjoy your contributions. I hope eveything in your personal life is fine and nothing of a negative nature has forced this change. Stay strong profit! (or lily21...It will take a while to get used to that).
At the risk of repeating the gist of what I told you yesterday (although I suppose this puts it "on the record" so to speak), I really appreciate everything you've done to help me out in this transition. I would have struggled big time without your help, and you deserve a lot of thanks for not letting me look like an idiot the entire month of December, maybe longer.
I'm struggling to post something more broad without getting cheesy, but suffice it to say that I think you've done a lot of positive things for the MGoBoard, and I'm glad you're staying on to post like in the old days. Hopefully posting for a while will remind you that this place can be pretty cool at times and you decide to stick around. Go blue, profit.
Wouldn't PGB be eligible for moderator-emeritus status?
With respect to Moderator Emeritus status: Good Idea for all MGoBlog Moderators who, for various reasons, may be forced to abdicate; but shouldn’t they have to wait until white smoke is seen billowing out of the Crisler Center after the College of MGoBloggers meets to officially designate a new Moderator?
You will be missed as a mod, but I'm glad to see you're still sticking around to post like BiSB did.
and thanks for all the fish! You were a great mod IMO, but I understand why you're moving on. I added you on Twitter, feel free to do the same back for me if you so desire.
America negged your post. It must suck to be you, pgb.
On the other hand, it was fun while it lasted.
Because he is (was?) my favorite Mod and I am being selfish.
PGB was definitely a better mod than BiSB, that's for damn sure! Not sure about being better than JGB. And the verdict is still out on LSA . . .
You must be the first to be asked (and answered) "Why does American hate you?"
Decreased your appreciation for the board, I think it's an actual degradation in the quality of the community. Many posters are great, certainly, but the board has changed for the worse, sometime in the past 6 months. Like you, I can't seem to put my finger on it, yet am still able to sense its presence. I've said this before but I'm holding out hope for summer, when the better posters stay active and the worse ones go and hibernate
has to do with the perceived (and very real) deficiencies that the BIG has in football right now. While the Board and the Blog is still very entertaining, I think there is a feeling that it lacks any real relevance due to the overriding irrelevance of Big Ten football. I think that basketball is actually resulting is some good discussions about a team that is genuinely relevant right now and not just locally relevant to die hards.
People have been saying, "the Board is worse than it used to be, what's with all these people...." since I started following this blog over 3 years ago, and probably since day one (or day two, ha ha). I guess I disagree with this outlook.
That was about the time it started going downhill. You do the math...
*I think it's inevitable with the growth of the site, the "community" feel is gradually diluted until it's gone entirely.
and/or the OSU game lasted one half, I think the perception of the site would be vastly different. Even if there has been an influx of poor quality posters (I don't think there have been, on the whole, but a lot of people do) it's a lot easier to hear "w0000 denerd-dog 4 heisman best playa in MEECHINGAN history!!!" without getting turned off from the discussion than to hear some of the negative stuff posted after the biggest games last season, along with a bad attitude because those games were genuinely dong punches.
For a Michigan football enthusiast. Now it's more like a "craigs cruisers"
Mostly nice people, but now and then you run into some douche dressed in a zebra shirt telling you to slow down on that go kart
Based on my experience, you're both right. The general tone of the board probably hasn't changed much relative to the success of various Michigan teams; obviously Michigan fans were less happy this football season than last year, but both were happier than 2010. The majority of the posters around here remain quality folks.
The difference I noticed is an increase in the number and dickishness of the small minority of posters who deny us all the good things. As a normal poster, you can ignore flamebaiting trolls and folks who want to turn everything that happens on the board into some soap opera drama BS. As a mod, not only can you not ignore it, but you actively have to search for it. And deal with it. And deal with the inevitable "Y U CENSOR ME???" drama that follows. In a world where 95% of people are enjoyable, mods spend their time with the 5% who suck at life.
I think that the board has taken a "harder edge" since the Nebraska loss and the realization that the football season was probably "fuct," but I also think that being a mod has to suck sometimes. It's like being a cop; too many of your interactions are with people who are doing something stupid or had something stupid done to them and are pissed off.
Part of me would love to see the old posbang/negbang system back, but I have seen a lot of negged comments that have made me wonder WTF the person did to get negged. It seems that a lot of people are negging civilized posts that happen to disagree with them on issues that aren't even all that important.
Even with its flaws and its outliers, though, this board is still far superior to any sports board I have seen. Overall, the mods have done a great job of keeping "lowest common denominator" posts and subjects off of the board.
Thanks to the artist formerly known as profitgoblue for all of the work he put in to keep mgoblog at the top.
This is the training video Brian sends to all of the new mods:
you did a fine job.
Congrats on the family and for having your priorities straight.
We will miss you. They NEED you.
Oh, and happy trails, Profit. You were one of my favorite people to neg during the CC days :)
or the Mgoblog equivalent.
//thinks of fat jokes
You're one of my favorites!
I ain't mad atcha. Got nuthin' but love for ya.
Thanks for your service to the board! I certainly appreciate all you and the other moderators do to retain the dignity of this website.
I'm generally opposed to term-limits, but perhaps moderators should serve in 1-year terms to prevent burnout. They could serve as many terms as they wanted, but never two consecutively.
Thank you very much for your service, PGB. I have thanked mods before, because I think it is kind of a thankless job, but a very important one as the board is now structured. Ironically, there were several mean-spirited, snarky, sarcastic posters who ripped me for praising mods. It goes with the territory, but that's the kind of thing that makes being a mod numbing, between the stupidity and the claims of censorship and the group think and the occasional nastiness. I have seen a number of formerly active posters go into hibernation because of the tenor of the board to descend to pettiness and snarkiness. At times, I have to back away for a while myself. You have to have a thick skin. Thanks again, PGB, for being reasonable and wise in helping to administrate the board.
However, I think the possibility of true and unlimited negbangs may not be the panacea everyone so eagerly anticipates. I have been around long enough to remember true neg bangs and pos bangs. Sometimes, the group think here would allow a sometimes reasonable but unpopular position to be negbanged ridiculously. Let's face it, if you see scant positive votes, and negative votes going to 50 and beyond, it is tempting just to pile on.
The one thing with neg bangs that I'll never understand was why someone would continue to post and post and post in a thread where they were going down. I can vaguely remember a few who had maybe 10 posts in in a thread, and people going through the thread to neg bang each and every post. You could end up down a thousand very quickly. In that regard, any sane poster knew they better go lick their wounds and quit posting for a week or two, because anything they put up was going to be neg banged.
Enjoy your wife and children, your new identity, and your new-found freedom from slavery to the board. It is a liberating thing not to feel obligated to read every stinking post in every thread.
I agree about the return of unlimited pos/neg bangs. I think the better solution would be if every poster had a limited allocation of up/down votes per day. Hopefully it would make people think a little more about what they choose to vote on rather than negging everything they disagree with or upvoting mildly funny jokes that don't really add much.
I still think the previous system was the best - before you downvoted you had to consider whether you wanted to lose a point as well in the process. For really offensive comments downvoting was a no-brainer. But for comments that you simply disagreed with you might not downvote it. That's how it should work, IMO. Dissenting opinions should be downvoted, only those comments that are inappropriate (offensive, threadjackers, etc.).
I actually agree with you that the previous system was better than the current system. I just don't think it will solve all problems . . . some posters are still obnoxious (me included at times!) It would be interesting for someone who has been around a long time on the inside to assess whether the computer/virus/software meltdown leading to the loss of neg and pos bangs caused the change in the bad posts, or if it was only concurrent with the increase in bad posts.
Thanks for all the hard work. The ridiculous neg bombing wears on many of us with only 1/500th the commitment shown by you.
You simply need a symbol a la Prince to commemorate your former contributions.
Thanks profitgoblue, hope you find the life-blog balance you are looking for
I would also like to thank Profit for putting in the rather prolific hours of scouring the boards and trying to clean up the occasional mess left behind in a thread (or indeed, the thread itself).
It is very much appreciated and hopefully you continue to contribute as often as possible in your new role - your rest is well-earned, sir.
Good luck! (I note that it took you 2 hours to comment in this thread - a two-hour lag in reviewing threads is unacceptable!)
Ahhhh, hard work that goes unrecognized....as a stay at home Mom, I understand. At least my kids (hopefully) turn out to be fabulous adults, thus rewarding my efforts. Being a Mod, no such reward. Anonymous internet bloggers would drive me nuts also.
As always, Go Blue!
I didn't rage-quit. I HOLY-SH*T-I-CAN'T-STAND-YOU-PEOPLE quit. Get it right.
Congrats on the move, and welcome to the club. We're having t-shirts made. They just say, "You Know Who Else Quit His Mod Duties? HITLER."
"I survived MGOBLOG mod duties"????
Did you have your baby yet? I must have missed it....stats or it didn't happen.
Thanksgiving Day. 7 pounds, 9 ounces.
To the precise ounce. Baby BiSB is in good company.
there perhaps a link to this meltdown resignation?
A little part of me died that day but man was it funny!
was not too bad. When I heard that you rage-quit I was thinking something that you wanted to take back the minute after you posted it, that was actually pretty well thought out and it appears it was likely very cathartic. Congrats on the new edition. Welcome to parenthood. It sucks, and it is the greatest thing ever (yes, these two can co-exist)
and say thanks for taking care of the few so the many can enjoy.
Love the #21. Glad you share it too. My user profiles almost always include some variation of '21'. No idea why.
The #21 jersey had a lasting effect on all of my usernames and passwords. Oops, probably shouldn't have told you that. Dammit. Mods, delete this comment!
nonsensical, juvenile negging that has become very common here, you need to impose costs. If negging is cost-free and largely unregulated/unpoliced, it will continue to grow. Re-instituting the neg-bang might be a partial and necessary part of the solution, but there are alternative measures that could be taken:
• Make the ability to neg a comment or post dependent on the negger having a minimum number of points. I'd suggest 500 or 1,000.
• Negging posts or comments should cost the negger a number of points per neg. Perhaps the cost-per-neg could be adjusted based on the number of points the negger has, or how long they've been a member, or some combination. I'd make the argument that it shouldn't cost MGoShoe or Magnus or Blazefire (for example) as many points to neg a comment as it does a noob who's been on the site two months. However it's done, this will over time reduce the mindless, "I disagree with you so I'm gonna neg you" negging because it will cost. If you make the cost of negging steep enough, it will impel most people to husband their negging resources more carefully.
And fergodsakes, get rid of the idiotic negging categories we have now for starters. Just make it up or down. I don't give a shit whether somebody thinks another comment is "underrated" whatever the hell that means.
but then you hurt my feelings by saying you "don't give a shit."
Seriously, though, I agree that the existing categories don't get the job done, and that, short of adding about 20 more categories, it's probably best just to junk them. Also, I agree there should be a cost per neg. As for varying the cost by poster -- good idea, and I'm sending Brian a detailed list of my suggestions! Actually, I'm wondering if the cost should go up once you exceed a max-neg-per-day/month/year threshold -- the blog equivalent of anger management sessions.
I think Don's way would really work. I would also like to be able to see who negged you on top of it.
So, it makes sense for the mods to be able to see who negged whom (which IIRC they can't do either right now), but there's a danger in letting individual posters see who negged them: some people take it personally when they get negged. Say justingoblue posts something that Magnus finds offensive, and Magnus negs justingoblue for it. If JGB can see that Magnus was responsible for that downvote, and he takes it personally, he may start auto-negging Magnus in future threads. If Magnus catches on that JGB is auto-negging him, he may reciprocate. Or maybe Magnus doesn't care (and I picked him for this example because I know he doesn't IRL), but His Dudeness gets offended on Magnus's behalf and starts auto-negging JGB. Pretty soon, Magnus's and JGB's point totals stop having anything to do with the quality of their posts, and become dependent only on lingering bitterness from previous downvotes -- which is counterproductive to the whole point of having a point system in the first place.
And honestly, why do you need to know who up- or down-voted you? I can understand being curious, but on the whole, I suspect that knowledge will not generally lead to a more efficient, useful point system.
ProphetGoBlue, but whatever.
regarding new board / old board issue: i think that a few years ago there was a whole lot more to talk about as the program had made a massive change in direction from LC to RR, new players, coaches, strategies and that sort of thing. at the same time as the team was a disgusting ball of ineptitude, there were a few bright spots beginning to flicker, giving rise to so many "look on the bright side" type discussions. previously i think there was a 33/33/33 love/hate/wait and see split to the board, which due to a smaller readership, got some pretty nuanced and thoughtful and inquisitive discussions going. now, i think everyone is 100% behind hoke and the direction of the program, which is more in line with the previous 25 years of the program pre-RR.
also, previous years we had a villain in the free press. a much hated whipping boy. while everyone here hates urbz and MarkD, they are still doing their jobs and we can't say much about their success at this point vs UM. the freep, otoh, was just a witch hunt.
Two of the people who make we want to visit this board have both stepped down as moderators. The job must suck, as others have indicated above...I suppose my uninformed thought for present and future mods is to not worry about taking action against d*ckheads. You are not the government, so you can't really "censor" anything, and you have no duty to let them be d*ckheads...Along the lines of what Don said, I think we should be able to see whom it was that downvoted (or upvoted, I suppose) a post or thread.
So long, Farewell... Thanks for your service.
I can't imagine being a mod. Good job, dude...
All except that new screen name...If it comes from what I think it comes from, I bet you are terrible at creating passwords
I'm glad he's gone. It's about time we've upgraded the mods around here, and we seem to be going in the right direction. In fact, I think we need to get a couple more new ones. There are certainly some promising candidates. It's early, I know, but I really like what I'm seeing from this CooperLily21 guy. Seems like mod material to me.
Don't you dare drag me into this!
By the way, I hear that PGB threw your name into the hat as a potential new moderator. Watch yourself or you could be next!
I think Ace Williams would make a good mod.
You'll always be my huckleberry!
Kidding. Good job, dude. This place has just grown so quickly. Same thing happened at my job: it just gets too busy and you no longer have that small, close-knit group feel.
I was a mod on a different site, some would know which...that said it's tough keeping up with sheer volume of posts and checking the boards constantly, keep conversation moving and in a decent direction. Keep the negativity out so the boards are tolerable....and not just some dump hole.
I have visited these boards more then in the past and you guys have done a real good job moderating. This board is fun at times with the sarcasm and over the top reactions to stuff posted and as well then just over the top and annoying at others. It's a tough job, unthankfull by many and zero reward is absolutely truth. Good job and when you recharge the batteries may take it up agian....
I know I'm late, but thank you Profit. I always enjoyed your work, and happy that you're still going to be around.
Hit you in the ass on the way out.
Just one small example of the change in the board over time.
Stupid nicknames have always been frowned upon. It's even in the FAQ for the board.
Yet people calling Dan Dakich "Dickitch" is being pos'd and me saying that we really don't need to resort to the middle school name calling is neg'd.
This is where I'd like to see the mods just go No Soup For You and just delete that shit until a new moderating system (or old system) is in place.
Agreed. The lame nicknames for opposing schools, coaches, players, etc. are annoying.
So long (as mod) Profit. Modding always kills the board experience for people and the rarity is that someone can be a mod forever and won't rage-quit. I liken it to to the Walking Dead. No matter how many Walkers you have killed, there are still 6billion more pounding at your fence.