I shall continue to boycott!
Meta: Linking to Freep Articles
as long as it is the print page.
I'm just not clicking. I have morals you know.
then why do you care whether it's the print page or not?
And I understand that "Brian said so" but is there any other reason?
Click it or don't, whatever. When the story first broke I said I wouldn't visit/ buy a paper for a year, and I'm a month away from holding true to that.
Reading articles with the slant the freep generally takes would probably get me a little upset. I don't need that, and that's why I avoid it.
And I'm fairly positive that I've never negged someone for posting a link, especially for the print version. So, in short, if you like the freep, then visit / buy, but I'm not going to. There are other media outlets that I would like to patronize.
P.S. Gotta love the trolls in the morning.
And I should have prefaced the "you" as more of a "royal" you not just you, Bryan, in particular.
But I appreciate where you're coming from and it makes sense.
Also not sure if that troll comment is about me or not, but I'm not trolling
and the troll comment was about the serial neg-bombers, not you.
Can you believe there are people on this board who neg-bombed my reference to Wile E. Coyote... Really? Wile E. Coyote? What's neg-able about a Warner Brothers character?
Negged for complaining about getting negged
For not sticking up for Wile E. Coyote.
Hey, Wile Coyote, I'm on your side.
Won't you hang in there brother, you're bound to survive. I hate that Roadrunner, as much as you do. He's a smart ass, he's a show off, he's a communist, too.
Now all them near misses, well, they ain't your fault. Cause that ACME company been ripping you off. Been sending you dynamite that won't detonate, And jet roller skates with a bad set of breaks.
All them contraptions, and all that pain, What a high price to pay for just doin' your thing. But you're doing alright, things are coming your way. You're just an old coyot', but every dog has his day.
Now one of these days, the tables will turn. That weird looking bird, he has a few things to learn. Ol' Wile Coyote, he never gives in. He just pulls himself together and tries it again.
ARE YOU MAD?!?!?
Kidding. I agree, #3 is the way to go, thanks for posting. Many of the Freep related threads http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/really-freep-really are impossible to glean any content from. They turn into bashing contests and detract from the high signal-to-noise ratio that makes MGoBlog so good.
to that... and thank you.
that paper who shall not be named
I yield to nobody in my disdain for that newspaper both in sports coverage and as a general daily, but I'm just not going to let the Freep yank my emotional chain every time it uses an unflattering photo of RR or twists his words. If I did, I'd be agitated all day and night to no purpose.
The "jihad" will disappear with wins. If the wins don't come, then RR will disappear.
How do you have 812 points?
...to the rescue.
I was torn -- I try to avoid any "Freep" topics on principle, but I love the word "Meta"...
I think this whole situation can be boiled down to: Play NIce.
people should just do what they want. post a link or don't post a link. if you choose not to read the freep, don't click the link. the same people who demand no freep links be posted are the same people who bitch about threads they don't find interesting/relevant. just do your own thing.
this rehash perpetuates the very thing you claimed you're trying to avoid. until Brian cares enough on this issue and demands one way or another, it's people's choice... and likely his intention.
that's it. this is like Nam, there are no rules.
I was more responding to this long diatribe about how the situation should be addressed when it's simply not a big deal or something to waste time complaining on either side of the issue
All it created is another page for people to Rabble Rabble Rabble on. As I said, people are going to bitch no matter what. This came off as a lecture more than an effort of reform imo. That's all.
I don't care.
I see what you did there!!!!
Well, I hope you're happy. With that ad revenue, Mark $nyder is now 0.0000238 days further away from being homeless, eating leftover pizza crusts he finds in the trash and clothing himself in MICH 2006 BIG TEN CHAMPS t-shirts that were donated to charity.
Since when did Rodney King start posting here?
Oh noes! The OP requested that the WLA come out and play but when we do they negbang us!!!
IT'S A TRAP!!!!
I find everything about the Freep lame and waste of time. The paper itself. And people here screeching and crying at every verb and adjective used byt the rag.
Thanks, MGoShoe for continuing the madness. I was afraid there would no dumb Freep discussions tofay.
miss Joe Falls.
Brian just needs a script that'll auto-convert any link with "freep" in it to a print only link.
The Freep puts out an article comparing the iPhone 4 and the HTC Evo?
Of course, I don't read the Freep, so I wouldn't know whether that would happen or not, I'm just sayin'....
Who cares if people head bash? They'll be gone if they keep it up. If you wanna discuss Freep stuff (which you shouldnt because you shouldnt be reading the freep) do it, and if you dont, dont click the thread about it.
Don't the mods or Brian have a way to see who is voting on each post?
For your avatar. "Fast and Furry-ous" is one of my favorite cartoon shorts, ever.
I really dont think people shouldnt be able to discuss whatever they want to, even if they're discussing that "news"paper. And who cares if they link to it, its not like you have to click on the link.
Until we dont have to have these kind of threads and can talk about football, not what type of links we can use.
Please get here quick football season!
you can't spell knee-jerk without jerk.
This post is excellent. Thanks, Shoe.
Really, you're a little overinvested in this.
Paste your freep link here:
And here's your conversion:
Just don't tell the Iranians you stole their plutonium.
I think we should even take it a step further. I think all topics with opinions that go against the mainstream or with views that could be considered less than positive should be immediately deleted. Opinions can be very dangerous and should be sifled at all costs. Great idea TC!
Whatever happened to freewill?
That movement was significantly less popular than the Free Darko! movement, but significantly more popular than the subsequent Free Amir! movement.
BTW, The Freep has an article (by Snyder) this morning about expansion and the Michigan - OSU rivalry but the link to the article says "Expansion Won't Harm MSU-OSU Rivalry." lol Freep? lol Freep.
says it's a mirage:
Has anyone else noticed a problem with the pozbanging/negbanging arrows, at least on this thread? I clicked an "up" arrow, and the points decreased by 1. Puzzled, I found a post that I disagreed with, clicked a "down" arrow, and it added a point. I then clicked another "up" arrow, and it added four points.
Are mgopoints becoming as fickle as life itself?
But, shhh.... Don't tell anyone.
That's why I've been getting points! I hadn't been contributing anything to the conversations, so I figured it couldn't be because people liked what I had to say.
The extra points thing is actually the accumulation of constructive interference caused by adjacent multiverse spaces with MGoBlog sites in which you did contribute.
what you're seeing is asynchronous voting. points don't update dynamically, so all point totals are shown from the point you opened the thread. When you make a vote it will update (your display) of that post's vote total, including your new vote - if multiple votes have been cast prior to yours, you can see a jump anywhere from 0 to (likely) just over 2 billion.
+2 billion to you, sir.
in the Matrix
There are 31 more days... hang in there everyone. We can make it.
MGoShoe - Who are you? Are you a mod? Why are you so invested in the board here? You seem to have more of a presence here than anyone else - almost every thread I click on you have a smattering of posts throughout. You also put up thread after thread of links to other sites. And you put up well-thought-out, well-written more 'meta' posts like these somewhat often as well. I'm not complaining - I invest less and less of my time in this board for other reasons - but I do want to understand the trajectory of the board. People whose presence is so ubiquitous seem to shape the nature of the board. And I don't think its a bad thing in your case. But I am curious. Thanks.
Who is MGoShoe?
try this out...
EDIT: I wasn't trying to be rude or offend anyone. I just thought the MGoProfile did a good job of giving insight to MGoShoe, thus answering blueblueblue's question. Sorry.
How is this any different than just skipping over threads you aren't interested in? If you see a link and you don't want to click on it, regardless of where it comes from, just abstain from doing so. You're making a big deal out of nothing.....especially when you're expecting relative newcomers to remember what Brian wrote in an article that was written almost six months ago.
I'm not being a hater....I'm just saying that it should just be a choice and for all intents and purposes that's how it's been for a long time. I give you credit for giving attention to it.....I'm sure it has Brian's attention too and maybe this can be figured out once and for all.
I'd like to state that I don't wear a tinfoil hat to block the government mind control rays, I wear it because its fashionable.
The fact that it does block mind control rays is just an added benefit.
All of this is getting really old.
live up to my name?
Regarding the free will argument--no, you do not have any on this site. It is privately-owned and Brian is free to ban/promote/whatever any discussion he wants. Feel free to voice your meta opinion but it ultimately does not matter. If you think Brian is unreasonable or we would be better served by more open or more closed discussions, then leave and/or start your own blog.
As Shoe mentioned, Brian's preference has been made clear. Obviously, he has more important things to do or he would actually enforce the policy or use mods that care to enforce the policy. Or, he doesn't feel like the issue is important enough to attach a ban/post deletion or whatever to it.
Either way, the point is--those arguing against the use of the expressed policy (whether it's "no links ever" or "just post the main links") do not have a leg to stand on. Go ahead and continue to argue what the policy "should" be...it's just annoying and pointless.
Where has Brian's preference been made clear? Smack in the middle of a really long article written almost six months ago? It's not in the ethics section of the site, or the FAQ. If you could let me know, I'd appreciate it.
Note: I am being serious, as saying it's clear would imply that many of these people who have recently posted links to the site (not in an OMG Shirtless manner) that are pretty much new to the site should be aware that there's such a clear policy on Free Press links and what not.
exactly what I am talking about. You are demanding clear, pre-established laws for behavior that will be evenly enforced. You will not get this. There is no due process. The rules are what exists in Brian's head. He put those thoughts in writing, and now everyone that read that post knows how he feels on the topic. Enforcement is also up to him. He can take a hard line or not really give a shit. Given that he has things to do, I'm guessing he doesn't care too much.
He is the one at risk for alienating users and driving them away. If his policies don't make sense and you do not like it you can vote with your feet. All Shoe is asking for is to stop discussing this idiotic topic. It clutters the board. Genuine concerns should be taken directly and privately to Brian.
I'm not demanding anything. I said it should be a choice and that if people click on it, that's their choice and if they do, that's their choice as well.
You're the one who said his preferences were clear....when they absolutely aren't. Saying it's clear would lead one to believe there is some sort of rule on the site in dealing with Free Press links. There isn't.....which is why people continue to post links because they don't believe there is anything wrong in doing so.....and they unintentionally begin these flame wars because some of the veteran members on here don't want to see those links.
it does not matter if you think there should be choice.
A front page post = clear preference expressed. That's not to say I blame newcomers for not knowing. They have no way of knowing and it is up to us to inform them in a way that doesn't devolve into a flame war. That means that people like you shouldn't say BUT THERE SHOULD BE FREE CHOICE and people like Tater or whatever shouldn't say OMG DONT POST FREEP AT ALL EVER.
It would be better if Brian posted the policy elsewhere but as I said, I don't think he cares enough to enforce it...which is also fine.
Remember how there wasn't a policy against using the word "Spartina?" Then someone used it and got docked 1 million mgopoints? There doesn't need to be a civil code promulgated by the MGoLegislature.
the MGoCode is secret, and changes at the whim of the Fearless Leader.
Without commenting on the merits for and against the boycott (I do not support the boycott myself because I think it's pointless and counterproductive, but I can understand why one would), I think that a compromise to use print links designed to deny the Free Press ad revenue is wrong. Even if you consider the Freep a nefarious organization dedicated to knocking the Michigan football program downwards and an ardent supporter of MSU, they still deserve compensation when people consume their content. If you don't want to give the Freep ad revenue, don't read their articles. But if you choose to read their content, then they deserve compensation for you doing so, just like any other media outlet.
Here's my compromise...I will no longer conceal Freep links as Non-Freep links.
I'll be sure to note that they are Freep links. However, I will not link to the Print version of the story. That's just silly business and a waste of time.
If Brian comes out and makes a new statement regarding FreeP links that is not in the heat of the Jihad, I will kindly oblige. I have yet to see him critisize any poster for posting the Free Press link. I have no problem taking a serious neg bashing every time I post a FreeP link, that is deserved and understandable.
cutting and pasting the link in full http format lets people decide i guess. print link where available.
I must say, that I resent our blog being called out as "anti-boycott". You write a post asking for a consensus, and then rattle the cage? Come on.
The reason why I, personally (not anyone who writes for my blog, just me) hate the "boycott" is precisely why you wrote this post - I'm sick of this entire thing as a point of conversation. It's stupid. And annoying. And dull.
You don't want to read the FREEP? Don't. I really don't care. You think a boycott is justified? Fine. I'm not even arguing. Just don't get your panties in a bunch when someone links a frickin' article. You want to boycott? Fine. Don't foist that shit on everyone.
You claim to be "representing Brian". Until he shows up and tells a single one of the people who link the FREEP to stop, I'm going to assume that he, like most sensible people, doesn't give a fuck.
I also want to clarify ANOTHER misconception you seem to have: my needling of Section 1 has nothing to do with his opinion on a FREEP boycott.
i bunker down with cases of water, green beans and encyclopedias waiting for The Big One
Please don't try to bring any of the water into the stadium.
I'm thinking about changing my avatar to a picture of a kitten to emphasize the "cats and dogs, living together" aspect of this.
FWIW, I also agree with your point that posting a 1000 word sermon about the FREEP situation in order to quell the debate is laughably absurd.
i feel dirty.
You just had to mention HIM didn't you.
Prepare for yet another tl;dr diatribe, identical to every other tl;dr diatribe he's written for the past year.
I'm begginning to think he's a spambot. It's the exact same issue, over and over and over again, ad nauseam.
this is STILL going on?
the Brain Cook will not be happy.
He can't throw a water bottle at you!
It's a print link
Everyone needs to stop being so butthurt over this whole Freep fiasco.
4. The next person who links to the Freep gets their picture sent to the big house 500th so that he can identify you and kick your ass.