Meta: Increase Point Total for Board Topics?
I dunno if I'm ready to go there. Just secanted
Yet, I still agree.
over the interval from zero to FREEKING ABSOLUTELY
definitely agree. I say between 500-1000 range. Some of these posts are ridiculous.
To shamelessly promote this, I will upvote anyone who agrees with me in this thread.
I agree with you.
You scratch my back and I'll scratch yours...20 point deduction for reposters.
Only 20 points? What are you, some kind of soft-on-crime liberal pinko hippy?
An increase in the requirement to post would probably help address your concern as well. There are so many posts that if you miss one day you have to go back 15 pages to see what you missed. And not all post titles are informative.
It sounds like an "elitist" requirement to me (as there are probably many new contributors that have much more to add than seasoned veterans) but I'll agree as long as the point total is less than 1000 . . .
Even Borat supports an increased point total? But how would I find out about the dreams other dudes on the internet had about our upcoming opponents? Or help others resolve dilemmas about what to do with their day?
I agree with your sentiment whole-heartedly! I just wanted to throw in my vote in the event that the tide has swung to installing a minimum (as long as the minimum is >1000). Some of my favorite threads have been what some would consider pointless or ultra-OT. I, for one, love weighing in on someone's vacation plans and other personal matters. Who wouldn't love telling people what they should do!?
last week i think that there have been a lot of posts. some of them overkill. i do not have enough to post right now (atleast i dont think so?) and i am in favor of raising the bar. i was neg 87 a couple of weeks ago and i was determined to go positive. so i started reading and listening to what the veterans were typing. i am learning as i go and it will take time to accumulate points. however, in that time i will be more aware of what is good content and worthy posting. All in for More MgoPoints to post! Go Blue!
but a jump to 500 or even 1,000 as some have suggested seems extreme.
Yeah, it should be at 3125. I kid, I kid. Maybe posts should enter an approval stage or something for users not flagged as normal contributors?
I like this...it'd be like a post purgatory, except with mods doing the judgment.
Please implement the "are you serious" button after anyone hits "save"
I'm hoping for roughly 500-1000 req. Given the fact mods can bump someone up to the threshold if they're a legit poster concerned about not being able to post content in the coming weeks, it should be no problem... still up to Brian though
500 would be perfect, I am not totally in agreement for 1000 though, as is fairly obvious.
IME should not really have a threshold. That way new guys can participate right away.
There couldn't be a limit for replying for topics. Otherwise, how could you earn points?
Only those who deserve them would know how
There couldn't be a limit for replying for topics. Otherwise, how could you earn points?
Troll factor has increased substantially since the start of the season.
500 works for me, though I'd settle for 250.
I could live with 500-1000 with some sort of vetting process by the mods for anything lower. I pity the poor fellow given that task, but as far as the question posed by the meta is concerned, count me among the 'yays.'
I've been meaning to ask you... what is/where did you get your avatar?
Cropped it from a poster called "Blue Money Shot" (i think). Great site. You can even make your own posters. I used to do that a lot, but now the site is block at my work.
But there have been some doozies in the last 24 hours. I agree with you. Maybe from 20 to 50 or 100. Although the mods might be bored.
This is pretty much my take. Regardless of how the season progresses, things will get worse if nothing's done.
...should cost 1000 points to post...
Trust comes at a price.
I will totally agree with you. I say at least 50 points or even 100 points before starting a topic on the board. I especially hate when people post the same story within a few threads. Just look at the MGoBoard damn it!
But the problem with 50 or 100 is that it is such a low cut-off, that just about anyone can post. I assume that the posts that prompted this are the same posts that we all found annoying. With only a few exceptions, the posters had b/w 100 and 300 points.
I say if we are going to raise the threshold, it should be somewhere around 250. The problem is that in the new MGoPoints format where upvotes are free but negs cost you a point, total morons have easily been able to reach 100 by posting crap. In the past, these morons would have been negged and they would not have reached the format.
Just my $.02
some might disagree with you as is seen from the guy who posted "Dee Hart?", he lost his ability to post topics fairly fast, although I do somewhat agree that replies don't get negged quite as frequently with the point loss.
I like the 100-200 point range to post new content.
And as far as negging, easy come-easy go, I neg a whole lot more than I ever did before, but we have had multiple that's about post quality as well, see Dee Hart? by canzior. Amazing. I'd neg that shit 100 times if I could.
Put me in for 1000 to start a topic. Everything relevant eventually gets covered anyway, and raising the threshold that high would keep the more savvy trolls from having it easy.
Under the current system, someone could respond five times to each thread and get 100 points a day. Not only that, but there have been a lot of low-quality posts by people relatively new at posting lately. Let them "pay their dues" in the comment fields long enough to amass 1000 points before subjecting the board to their inanities.
If you can't post a new topic, but have an important link or important thought, you can post it in an existing thread that is tangentially related. I can't fathom having some completely new piece of information that isn't related to anything.
After reading what you said, I agree with you a hundred times more than I agree with myself. 1000 points would at least take a few weeks to amass, and by that time we may be able to see whether the user is worthy or not of making good topics.
Elitist? 1000 points, that's a little excessive.
This needs to happen. The board has just been atrocious of late.
But yet, I keep coming back.
Damnit this place is so addicting.
An increase in the points required to post a thread would be telling.
(I'm so sorry, but you walked into that one).
I agree with you though for that it is worth.
But, if the points weren't increased, it would also be telling. :)
Mucho agree-o. <--- TOTALLY LEGITAMATE SPANISH
TOTALLY LEGITAMATE SPANISH <--- Somewhat legitimate English
What can I say? I got excited by the capital letters.
of cleaning up the crap. Doesn't need to be changed. that said, if it were, I don't care.
That also said:
The first rule of MGoPoints is "Don't talk about MGoPoints."
While I agree in general about not talking about MGoPoints, I think it is a decent way for this board to self-moderate.
It's also worth considering how much time mods have to devote to monitoring stupid threads. The ideal would be a threshold that acts as the ideal barrier for drivel but allows quality content to come through.
Only if there are penalties for reposting. I'd stand for a 20 point deduction if you repost something.
Love it. I think I'd prefer bigger penalties for boners, rather than quashing input from new people.
This is my first time visiting this site, and I must say not really impressed. Not sure if it’s normal, but read a few posts that were awful. Please tell this is an anomaly, because I'm really impressed with the UFR.
It's an anomaly. Read Diaries and the front page. The Board is uneven.
Everything else is great. The board is unreadable now and completely baseless bs speculation.
the UFR is an Mgosacriment!
to troll, UofMFanInDC
really? he's one of those?
for saying some of these posts suck dick? People have seen these posts we've ben getting, right?
because he's a troll whose other account got banned.
I have to agree. I think bumping up the total to post wouldn't be a bad idea. I think 100 point threshold would work great.
Why not 500? What's the value to allowing drive by posting? Anyone with over 500 will be attuned to the standards of the board.
great content like monuMentals' awesome wallpaper work wouldn't be available.
There has to be a happy medium. I too am sick of the recent quality, and I love this site as much as anyone - but not everyone has the time to put up 500 pts.
100 seems to make sense.
i still think there should be and Mgocourse followed by and Mgotest combinded with a certain amount of time as an Mgoblog member (3-6 months min.) And if they still don't get it, an Mgoremedialcourse followed by 6 months probation durring which they can't start new threads during.
I love his idea. Also, must signs an Mgoloyalty statement.
Yes. We definitely don't need the type of threads that get the most complaints. Therefore, newer posters can learn the ropes and not post threads that annoy everyone.
I don't have many points, but I have little desire to start board topics (I've started 1 in ~2years). I enjoy commenting on other posts and reading. Maybe we could have another tab for stupid "any news on..." or "LOLsparty" type stuff. I come here for Michigan athletics, not all the drivel that has overrun the site the last 4+ weeks. I would even suggest 500 pts being the threshold.
EDIT: Yeah Mgofairy!!!!
This place has gotten out of control to the point of un-read-a-bility.
I agree with geaux Bleu with the current state of the MGoPoints economy and with the current point inflation we are seeing I support at least 500 points to post.
I don't post much and have never started a thread, but the stupid shit that does get posted is getting to be annoying. The threshold for starting threads definately needs to be bumped up.
Agreed. I think it takes some practice, looking around, and responding to get the hang of things around here.
I completely agree or bring back free neg bangs so we can punish whoever posts stupid topics!!!
Since neg-bangs now cost a point, I'd be at zero with all the dumb crap that gets posted. Even though I may want to downvote someone, my few mgopoints are very near and dear to me and I don't want to give them away just to negbang some jackhole with an internet connection.
EDIT: the mgofairy appeared and I magically now have 1000 points. WOO!
She has just visited me as well. What a gracious fairy she is.
Welcome to the neg bomb brigade boys. Use it wisely.
I'm always in for a good negbang. Only problem there is that the poster only has to create another login and keep posting. By making points matter they create all they want but it would still take work to accumulate the points needed to start a thread.
I don't want to discourage new posters from becoming involved. They may have interesting thoughts worth discussion.
But man, there have been some pointless threads lately.
we aren't saying they shouldn't post and contribute....just not be able to create new content untill they've been around a little longer
if they have something worthwhile to say, they just need to wait around until an appropriate thread is generated? I don't think that's necessarily the best thing for quality of discussion.
Then again, maybe its collateral damage of not having to deal with some of these trolls. As I originally said, I can definitely see both sides of this one.
Someone in another thread nicely said "I have some info about Stephen Hopkins game this weekend, but I don't have enough points to post...can someone create a thread?" and it was created almost immediately, he was legit, posted the info, and people conversed. There are ways if it's something that HAS to get on.
The "telling" post from a few weeks back didn't do anything for me, but in retrospect it looks like a snippet of Moby Dick compared to the "IS DEVIN REDSHIRT?" and "HERE WHAT ME THINK ON DEFENSE" postings that have polluted the board over the last month or so.
1) increase the minimum points (or time as a member) before allowing new topics
2) have more aggressive moderators, who nuke more
3) (my favorite) allow/ encourage neg bombing by not making it cost a point (for some reason, these stupid threads started have like -15 points). They should have 10X that.
Yes, this season's neg bombing has been subpar to say the least. I remember last season and some of the recruitment threads that had triple digit neg bombs. Those need to come back.
As a general comment, I'd say 100 points is a max (that represents 40-50 upvotes and a new +1s for posting for a new member). I'd say that is fair.
I am going to neg that stupid mother fucker back to the stoneage man.
His mother... Negged
His father.... Negged
His dog.... Negged
His whole family!!!!! NEGGED they are all NEGGED
As a low point guy, I would be more than willing to sacrifice my rights to start a thread for another couple months to clean up some of the garbage that has started to overwhelm the board. It has gotten pretty bad.
Free neg-bangs for everyone.
"All in agreement, say 'I'. All those opposed, say 'goodbye'." <--that's a poster that hangs in my bosses office. Just throwin that out there.
The mods will delete a potentially offensive thread, even if on a topic related to the team. There are obv. disagreements on what is appropriate and what isn't. Some of my threads have been bumped or locked. (most recently, my interest in public statements from the team on spiritual topics, and how spirituality relates to the team. Too controversial, so vaporized.)
It really isn't about points (remember first rule of points: don't talk about points.) Anyway, someone with a ton of points can post something that others don't like . . . having 1k plus points doesn't guarantee that a poster will always put something suitable up.
Also, the mods have deliberately chosen to allow certain personal and OT posts (for example, the dating adventures of CRex.) Having been to Korea and dated Korean girls, I find those posts hilarious. My only point here is that some personal and OT posts are deemed allowable by the mods. There isn't a rule that applies to everything. Other than Brian, that is . . .
One Mod to rule them all, One Mod to find them, One Mod to bring them all and in their compulsion bind them ... Lord Brian, the Wizard of all things Michigan
If you WANT to change the point requirements to 500 neg this post.
If you don't want it changed to that pos this post.
Please neg this post
+1 to you, sir.
for confusing me
I will neg this post then go pos another one of your points so you end up a net +1 for your very good idea of how to take an informal poll.
I don't need pity points
I am all in with the idea of at least 500 to post. I just lurk around and most of what I think is said at least 50 times a week. I just like getting my updates from reliable sources. You guys are awesome.
It's about time. And just for that I will neg my own post just to show I could care less about some measly point if it means I don't die a little everytime I come to this board and there's something useless posted.
Cosigned... hopefully enough of these posts will get Brian's attention. Bump it to 500. This board used to be awesome. Now, not so much. Intelligence level decreasing rapidly.
Make that e-mail we got about being a "trusted user" actually mean something.
I'm all in.
It's always worse during football season, maybe the point threshold is significantly higher then?
I think the idea that users could rank the thread via star ratings, and that would show up before you clicked it, it would help. Think porn sites that allow you to rate the vids either up vote or down vote (or on 5* scale) so you know going in that the post is say 92% upvoted. Once they fell below a certain threshold (arbitrarly 30% after min 20 votes) than the post would auto delete.
This, IMO, would sold a lot.
Thanks for the window into your MGoInternetexporerhistory.
This place is like porn for me anyways so I wont see the difference. Good idea!
for porn, it's good enough for the mgoboard
It's easy enough for all of us with a bazillion points to say "make a threshold" but I remember when I first went from lurker to poster, I did so with a Diary to pour out my tears of unfathomable sadness over the 2008 season.
I remember not being able to post for half of last season due to Henri and my low points count. It was kind of frustrating but I stuck it out. I'd definitely worry that a too high threshold would drive new blood away. It would create a career niche for me though:
CRex's Korean Dating Service:
Date the girl, type the stories, get the MGoPoints. It's all about the points baby.
For those who are under the point total, but are going to do posts about their Korean in-laws.
...you don't suck.
I think you may be an outlier as far as average first post quality.
Higher point total to post = lower probability (weak posting / telegram from Trollsville)
It likely means that I wouldn't be able to post board topics (not that I have anything earth shattering to post currently anyway). But if it keeps the board clear of crap I'm all for it.
500 MINIMUM and i'm even ok with 1000. If you are really into the MGoBlog community then getting the needed points isn't difficult.
We've been having ridiculous posts from trolls, idiots, and people who like to say "that would be telling" in the past few weeks
It's a symptom of the bandwagon.
I agree. 100 points should do the trick.
I think 500 points is very reasonable.
When does someone with < 1000 MGoPoints EVER have anything interesting to say about Michigan sports? Never.
a) You can still post in threads, and there are plenty to chose from so that your comments will find an appropriate home
b) You can amass points incredibly quickly if you use measured responses and a healthy dose of humor
c) If you have anything EARTHSHATTERING to share, just email Brian. I'm sure he'll find a way to get it on the board and all shall hail you for your contribution.
Urge to killing.. rising.
I'm all in favor of raising the point total to 1,000.
Point totals really aren't the issue. Even if we raised it to 1000 to 2000, we'd still have Tater. I think the mods are doing a good job. No changes are needed. (Well, removing the -1 to -1 would be nice)
The level of irony/hypocrisy in starting this topic cannot be ignored. Which is dumber/a bigger waist of time, this topic or the ones it refers to?
is that a reference to how we all seem to gain 'wait' as we get older?
after thinking back, i believe this is already in the works as a temporary thing given the slow trickle of MSU trolls that will assuredly become a geyser whether they win or lose this weekend. sooooo... yah.
About raising point totals, but LOVE the idea that time-as member also is considered.
Plenty of people lurk without posting much, and they understand the MGoculture just fine.
We have more trolls now, and lazy newbies not bothering to read old posts etc.
Some of it is to be expected as this site grows in popularity, but it can be frustrating; this seems like an easy attempt to balance most concerns.
I support a 500 pt minimum for posting on the board and free neg bangs...
Just 2 topics re-posted on the board within the last 5 minutes
Come On People!
One of the reposts was at 93 points other guy at 136. See people HIGHER THRESHOLD!
Seriously. Every time I see a lame thread, it's by a person with less than 200 points. It's a stereotype that unfortunately fulfills itself over and over again..
should not cost us points. And I agree with the 500 point minimum, but we should also consider adding a minimum amount of time since joining regardless of mgopoints, say 6 to 12 months? There may be people who follow the board for a long time and would know all the rules, but don't necessarily post often.
There has certainly been an abundance of shit posted recently- however, as someone who has been around for over 20 months- i'd like to see the time a person has been here considered. My point total is mimimal- don't post often, but read daily- would like the ability to do so if inclined. That said- support an increase for posting and removal of costing points to neg.
Time as a member should be included. Points are less important now seeing as a guy that can post a -_- face can amass 1000 points in 4 days. Serenity now. Serenity now.
Agreed. Go with 100 points.
Time and points. Agreed. It's getting a little ESPNish around here.
I remember when Brian changed the system it was because there were like 5+ accounts (probably just 1 troll) but all he would do is log in to all 5 accounts and neg every post on a topic. When i saw it the first time I assumed that it was just a shitty thread, but really it was just trolling.
The "Pay to play" negging has eliminated this kind of trolling, but yeah, people are too fond of their Mgopoints to actually neg.
I hated that book
Make it so you need 500 points to be able to neg. Not cost per neg, but just to get the neg ability you need points.
If I recall one of the reasons to charge for negbanging was the abuse of discretion. The downside is that people at a certain theshhold don't want to lose more points and so those in the know do not exercise their power. 500 point neg-ability theshhold, no penalties once you get there.
This is such a good idea I might start my own MGoBoard post about it.
You hated Catch-22? Why?
have a Major Major Major Major problem with it.
I found a lot of it to be whining, and frankly, overplayed. I did read it Junior year of high school, and have been told that I would enjoy it more now, but I'm not sure it's worth another shot. (The Major Major Major Major chapter was SO obnoxious I barely got past it)
FWIW I also hated "Catcher in the Rye" I thought that Holden was very whiny. Again, read it in high school, but really disliked it.
Maybe I just like different writings than a lot of people, but I dunno
you're a phony
Having never read Catcher in the Rye, I can't speak to that.
But I'm not sure what's "whiny" about Catch-22. I suppose I can understand if some people find the humor a bit broad, but I'm still trying to figure out the whining part. What do you mean?
Put me down for supporting a 500 point requirement for posting new topics please. This madness has to end sometime.....right?
I think to create an acount on here should be free, however to post topics I think there should be a one time $10 donation to U of M, if a troll really wants to pay ten bucks to start a topic thread then so be it, we can still negbang them so they can't start another topic plus they gave U of M ten bucks.
What are your thoughts on that, I would pay a one time $10 donation to be able to start topics would you?
just find a level that most people wouldn't bother to get to. I can sign up and just go "reply" to 20 posts and have my 20 points to start my own post. I can't see someone replying even "nm" to 200 or 300 posts... That would require someone to have been reading/replying for a while before posting.
30,000 points to start a thread.
Sounds a tad high. I mean, not way high, but like 7,000 points high.
Don't get all MGoElitist on us
500 points or a sliding scale of how long you've been a member and how active you are (points). i wouldn't want to lose long time members who just don't post very often.
consistent posters would be bumped over the threshold. LEAVE NO POSTER BEHIND! THESE COLORS DON'T RUN! SOMETHING TOBY KEITH SAID!
but I really want to go back to the old system where negs don't cost a point.
I agree even if it would mean that I wouldn't be able to post anything soon. People need to get used to the board, so they know what to post and what not to and gain an appreciation for the right to do so
I can't possibly agree with this anymore
Take your rationality elsewhere, this is AN ANGRY MOB!!!!!!!!!!
WHERE'S THE TAR, FEATHERS AND PITCH FORKS DAMMIT!
I was going to come on and write basically the same thing. Then I figured that someone had to have already posted it, and here it is.
I'm not terribly opposed to increasing the threshold so if that's what people want, them I'm fine with it. However, I have seen some completely asinine/waste of time posts by plenty of folks with thousands of MGoPoints.
I think the point minimum to post was put in place to prevent trolls, not to guarantee quality. I agree with the folks who've suggested making negs free again, so that trolls can be eviscerated quickly. People are still going to post low-quality content regardless of what the threshold is, but perhaps if it's easier to make our feelings clear that we don't like the junk, they'll get the point.
I was also about to post something very similar. No offense to the mgowealthy, but many of the big shots contribute significantly to the mgobloating, both between and within posts. I also support free negs (for those with a certain minimum point total, maybe 100?), because otherwise we end up with a plutocracy in which only the rich can afford to neg at will. Sorry about the politics, but it seems the disparity between rich and poor is at an all time high. It seems like some folks feel a need to respond to everything, kinda like how my mom feels a need to forward every stupid chain email and youtube clip to everyone she knows.
"Just 'cause I don't run my mouth don't mean I got nothing to say."
-Mike Cooley, Drive-By Truckers
Something like 300-500 points would make sense, but I also think that some community moderation would also help. Maybe add the ability to "flag" a post as duplicative and/or crap (technical term) and then it is placed in purgatory until a Mod can approve/delete. A bit more work for the mods, but I for one would volunteer my time for the job if it cut down on some of the useless posts.
I'm not at 500 even, but I'd definitely support a thousand minimum. Too many ridiculous topics to sort through.
I'm all for the increase.
Also would it really be necessary to institute some kind of point deduction for reposts? Aren't most of the reposts coming from individuals with less than 500 points anyway?
a 1000 points because I mostly just read the threads, with a comment here or there sporadically. I think I've only ever started two threads - Chili recipes and Stuff Not Important Enough to get it's own thread. So I'm okay with whatever the threshold gets raised too if it helps clean things up.
If I need to find out what Michigan theme to name my dog, I'll just post that in the Dee Hart thread.
of the 300 D. Hart threads
wait until we are 8-0 and then watch what comes out of the woodwork. I vow to post no new topics until after I have 500 points or a good idea, which pretty much guarantees 500 points.
Maybe Brian could somehow combine MGoPoints with how long they have been members. I.E. you must have at least 100 points and have been a member for two weeks to start a thread. That way trolls who show up would have to participate for a couple of weeks to learn the routine.
Am I the only one that finds "trolls" extremely amusing (as well as extremely annoying)? The combination of amusement and annoyance is a great marriage to me and effectively closing the door seems like a bummer to me. Maybe we can have a 500+/- limit, meaning only people with more than 500 points or less than -500 points can be allowed to start a threat. Hahaha.
But they would instantly lose all credibility if they don't follow through on that threat, right?
500 points should be enough. Anything higher and you get thoughts of elitism spilling through the cracks.
I think part of the problem is the format of the website itself. You see the MgoBoard on the side of the home page with only new topics appearing. This entices people to think if they post something it will show up on the home page for everyone to see. While it is convenient to have the board posted there, perhaps we should just direct link it to the actual forum page.
In this way the real posters would take the effort to go to the board and contribute, and the trolls who aren't so adept to our beautiful home, won't go perusing for trouble by creating stupid posts and pos-banging themselves.
This would really only be a deterrent, but it could help solve the problem along with a higher threshold. It would also get rid of this narcissistic mentality that posting on the board will get YOUR post up so EVERYONE can see.
As a noob, I agree. The reason I started reading this site is because of the great content provided by Brian and the regulars. I don't mind voting, commenting, etc. but threads should be left to those with time and/or skills to post something worthy.
IMO 1000 is excessive. Personally, I come to read the main page and the threads and occasionally comment (though I've been a member for a while). I guess you could call me a casually posting lurker. I know well enough not to post garbage/repost, but if I wanted to start a thread on a perfectly legitimate topic, I wouldn't be able to at all.
The trolls, however, are unbearable. I'd imagine we can usually pick them out by the time they get to 100 points through posts, so that seems like a reasonable threshold.
I'm all for the 500. I think that would drastically increase the quality of the posts. I could care less about that sounding elitist. The one thing that made me fall in love with this blog is the quality of the posts. After reading a few threads and their subsequent posts, I said "I've got to be a part of this thing". Certain people are starting to make this feel like MLive or Blech-Report. As far as negging goes, I would like to see a return to free negging. Not so I could neg someone that has an oposing view; last I checked this was America. I believe that it would get rid of the clutter. If a person's point total is in the negative, it is quite obvious that this person is either a troll, or has nothing of value to contribute to the Mgo community, and the ban hammer should be dropped. Because of the negs costing us points, I think a lot of people are reluctant to neg, which gives them the chance to wreak more havoc.
The problem is far too many of the negs on this site are because of disagreement of opinion, rather than actual trolling or whatever.
I wonder if there are other sites that have had similar problems that we could learn from, instead of re-inventing the wheel. Either way, 20 points was too low, but I think 500 is too high. Either way, trolls will be trolls, and regardless of the point total to start a new thread, the trolls will probably still exist. Trolls are if nothing else dedicated to trolling. I'm pretty new to the mgoblog community, but I feel like I am a member of the community now, I think the time limit of 2 weeks plus a 100 point to start new posts makes the most sense. If we make the point total 500, or 1000, trolls can easily get that in 2 weeks anyways, the dedicated ones anyways, but the drive by trolling won't occur as much. At least that way we should only get the really dedicated (and often more amusing, though still annoying) trolls. Less total trolling, and easier moderating. As for quality of posts, I agree with what a lot of people are saying, quality doesn't come from a lot of mgopoints, and quality (value of a thought) of a post is not the same thing to everyone. Anyways that's my 2 cents. Got the e-mail a few minutes ago abou the point total being raised to 100, and even though I'm below 100, I don't have a problem with it.
I think I should be the only one allowed to post
A higher point total, say 100 or even 500, seems fair to me. However, I must admit that I do enjoy seeing people get roasted when they start a retarded thread.
Let's up it to 100 points.
The only thing better than a cosign is a DOUBLE COSIGN. Which I will give to the point in the OP's post.
Maybe the place needs a quick WLA inspection. The crew really has been the best patrol of stupid this board has ever had, even if you dont like style.
Ruthless, but effective.
I think if nothing else, that would just be really fun. Let the WLA be guest mods for a week. Hopefully they lay down the law and learn us a lesson. Maybe even put an end to this annoying goggle eye fad that seems to be all the rage with the kids these days (i.e., this week).
500 pt. minimum + free neg bangs. I understand what Brian was trying to do with the lose a point for a neg, but it has reduced the desired effect of self-policing. I don't care about losing a point at this point, but I think if you're going to raise the minimum to start a post, you have to get rid of the lose a point feature. Otherwise, people who may be valuable board members, but not regular contributors, would not want to neg some random troll who rightly deserves it.
okay, so i just read through this entire thread...
...and i haven't been quite so entertained in a while (the last thing that made me LOL to this extent was denard's 2nd td run last saturday)
but regarding the actual topic at hand...
i agree completely with the CRex proposal, which states:
1) 500 point threshold to post any new content
2) 500 point threshold to be able to neg a post
3) negging posts should be free
in addition this solid proposal, i will add the pasadenablue corollary:
1) 500 point threshold for posing (to keep trolls from creating their own super-posed accounts)
2) grandfather in all mgousers who've had accounts for over a year (perhaps by giving them a 500-pt mgoloyalty bonus)
Not sure if this has been mentioned, but I think there should be a distinct MoGoBoard link (i.e. "New" "Recent" "Hot" "Tom") for Recruiting. There are many here who love getting into recruiting discussions and analyze the players. Would be an easy way to keep out random OT discussions.
I think Recruiting in itself is worth a topic header.
Please make this come true.
Absolutely am on board for a raise, especially with MSU week approaching. No doubt there will be trolls, but raising the minimum would at least keep them from creating topics.
not a real frequent poster, i too get tired of the duplicate threads. Most of them i dont even read.
Never really saw the "point" in the whole point system. If you are going to have a point system there will always be ways to get around it and trolls are just a part of the internet.
There are some very high point posters here that contribute very little in the way of good solid posts. How about not awarding points for things like pictures, youtube videos and icons? How about not awarding points for comments that are 2 or 3 words? That would stop point awards for saying "wait, what?". Dont get me wrong....i actually think some comments like that are amusing...but do they deserve a point for it?
Just my thoughts...
There are some very high point posters here that contribute very little in the way of good solid posts. ... things like pictures, youtube videos and icons? ... awards for saying "wait, what?"
Guilty as charged. However, there's a lot to be said for recognizing what type of poster you are as well. For example: I make no attempt at hiding my lack of quality content contribution outside of OT, meta, or humor (which honestly, are any of these quality content?) topics. At the same time, I also make it a point to not start new threads. I don't have any brand of football insight to add, but I do enjoy responding to threads that pique my curiosities. I could have INT_MIN (LONG_MIN? I don't know what the column looks like in the DB) points right now and it'd have zero impact on my ability to post - though I'd probably be explaining why I have less than 4 billion points more often than I'd be saying anything else.
On a related note there's a lot of discussion going on right now about the ability to vote on posts that's completely tangential (continued math pun intended, which I'm sure is very telling) to the actual discussion at hand: cutting down on the amount of bullshit that gets through the "minimum points required to start a thread" filter. At some point this is a problem that the guy that runs this site (I hear his name is "Brian", but there's no like contact information or anything available) will likely address, as the signal to noise ratio of feedback to this topic (inversely proportional to the signal:noise of forum topics) is steadily rising.
This would make my day.
Shouldn't this be about bad pursuit angles taken by walk-on players? I kid. I am the 147th to reply so I 146th your sentiments.
1000 to Post 500 to Neg
I wouldn't be able to post, but at least my head(s) would stop hurting from all of the DEE HART! threads
That sounds about right.
I can't believe no one has yet suggested the threshold be well over 9000. If it isn't already. Over 9000, that is.
I am not sure what really bothers people about misbehavior on the internet (with the exception of racism or sexism or being a boor, which are inappropriate everywhere, not just on the internet). Truthfully, I enjoy the pathos involved in watching both a person whacking at a hornets nest and the subsequent swarming retribution.
I guess it'd be nice
in case you didn't know, the point total to post was raised to 100 a few hours ago. I was at 85 points when it happened. I got an e-mail saying I could no longer start topics. Then when I went over 100 points, I got another e-mail saying I could start threads again. So, it was raised to 100, maybe not high enough in some members eyes, but at least it's better than it was.
Thanks for the info. 100 sounds just about right.
1500 points should be a minimum to prevent trolls
I'd make it 100. I think that's enough. The other thing is that there should be some kind of probationary period for new members. Prevent them from posting anything for 12 hours, say, and then from voting or posting a thread (if they have the points) for a week. This would prevent sock-puppet users from creating a ton of accounts and up-voting them all.
Any idea how hard it would be to create a waiting period? I'm not a computer guy. Also, creating a waiting period might not encourage new users--which Brian might have a problem with.
100 points sounds about right for thread creation and voting priviledges. It ensures you've posted some decent material and is a barrier to multiple accounts. Do people actually spend the time to do that?
I have no idea about the technical stuff behind this. I know that some message boards have done this, though. Yeah, there is a potential issue about discouraging new posters. Maybe they shouldn't be banned from posting off the bat, but can only post a limited number of times for that first week.
The sock-puppet thing was apparently a big problem before Brian changed the mgopoints rules over the summer. The Em0 guy has used them.
That's really weird. I can't imagine expending effort to increase MGoPoints.
+1 - reduce the spam
I don't like it. Just have more aggressive moderation to clean out obnoxious or duplicate topics. Maybe add moderators for 25k+ point posters. The privliege could then be revoked by Brian at any time for any reason whatsoever, to keep people from going on a power trip.
The whole point of keeping the point threshold low is so that someone who isn't necessarily a regular poster but has something interesting to say can contribute. By limiting the creation of new posts, we risk becoming an inbred community that eventually runs short on new people to contribute. If you prefer inbred communities, you're rooting for the wrong team...
For someone who isn't a regular poster, it's undoubtedly annoying to put a lot of effort into a topic, which then would have to be snuck in as a reply to some other possibly related board topic. It's not that hard to wade through the crappy posts; we all know how to read. It's worth the routine idiot (who gets neg banged anyway) to get the occasional diamond in the rough.
you Stunna. What you say makes a lot of sense.
Brian makes money from people visiting the site. He might not like discouraging posting to satisfy a few people that get their panties in a wad over bad threads.
I am a member on a number of different forums and blogs.....sports, autos, home improvment, politics, and many others. Trust me.....idiot postings are rampant on all of them and there is really no way to stop it.
This is a really great blog and is run pretty damn well. I have seen a few that got ruined by long time members/posters who let their ego's run away with them and chased off all the "short-timers" as they called them. This place is pretty good at spotting and chasing away trolls....
...I can see how it does make sense to have a minimum. As a noob, I had a valid question that on any other board I would have started a topic on. So what to do? I did a little searching within the board and found my answer. What do you get? One less topic cluttering things up.
Joining a board with with great info and a lack of useless comments would be refreshing.
I'm cool with waiting.
Based on this, it would appear that the point minimum should be 25,000 or so.
So we're all familiar with the line, "the first rule of MGoPoints is that you don't talk about MGoPoints," or something like that. An obvious reference to Fight Club's first rule. Fight Club's 8th rule is, "If this is your first night at Fight Club, you have to fight." The analogy here would be, if you register or get an account, you have to post something. Then, the community could neg bang you into oblivion or pos bang you (am I getting that right?, sorta new here) up to a point level where you could continue posting. The point is, man up, say something, and let the chips fall where they may.
Personally, if it's true that MGoBlog's ad revenue is tied to page views, then I'd say leave the point totals alone. This blog is awesome and if a little more revenue flows in, that can only help build the positive content, maybe it pays for more Lloyd Brady photoshop images. If the cost is reading some BS posts or obvious troll crap, so what. Don't read it.
I am new. It seems like getting to 20 points is a decent bit of work thus far. Trolls don't like work, just unfounded critique. The system works! Don't legislate against the team, the team, the team, out of fear.
about 10 minutes ago according to the email I got. Probably a case of MGoBlog getting MGoSick of newbies complaining about all things GERG.
even if I can't start mgostupid threads.
It seems you can now start MGoThreads (just no stupid ones or you make me look very bad).